painlifter is pretty easy, just playing as TC on bleeding coast and wait for all those units to come on up the hillside.
Rock crusher? Umm... find a buddy...
edit: I don't think the painlifter one has to be with one single euthanasia does it?
"Hit 15 enemies with one Agony Ball using the Pain Lifter's Double Team."
damn... atleast it doesn't say kill, if that makes anything better.
Except for using a buddy, the only thing i can think of doing is sacrficing your base.
In other words, let a whole bunch of headbangers and/or other melee units tackle your base, with you and your painlifter parked on the side aiming at them.
That's what I've been trying. I got the bleeding death and baron ones like that vs. normal difficulty DD. The problem is using a rock crusher or pain lifter vs. DD is ridiculously dangerous and if you don't get their first wave of grave diggers, they don't build T1 units again. On the difficulty below normal, the enemy seemingly never builds more than 1-2 squads of anything and will tech up to t4 and barely have any units.
I guess I can try and trade them. If anyone needs the do X with Y achievements, my GT is in sig. I'll be driving around looking for my 3 missing serpents for a while
So was anyone else completely unsurprised when Yahtzee pretty much hated the game? Or at least disliked it or something?
I'm starting to wonder why I think this game is absolutely fucking awesome when so many people just plain don't like it. Every reviewer/critic/journalist/webcomic artist that I admire or hold respect for tends to hate this game, and finding myself in a gaming minority like this when I see such a brilliant game in front of me is beginning to be irksome.
Do you play a lot of videogames? I haven't played much of anything since the PS2/Gamecube generation, aside from Rock Band. So for me, I think I enjoy Brutal Legend because it doesn't automatically coalesce into some preconceived notion of genre.
But for people like Tycho and pro game reviewers who constantly play games, I'd imagine that their preconceptions are ossified by established genres. Tycho, for example, insists it's an RTS game and was frustrated when he tried to play it as an RTS game. Maybe it's because I read the comic (and Schaffer's response) before I picked the game up, but I don't think this would have even occurred to me.
I do think the game could have done a better job focusing the player on the action aspects and simplifying the RTS aspects—it could have been "blended" better. But I wouldn't be surprised if the game appeals to less hardcore players with less expectations of how an RTS "should" play.
Actually, I play a lot of games. I actually attempted to try to beat 37 of my games for this current school semester, but I got sidetracked by RL and then by Brutal Legend. I consider myself an avid gamer.
Which makes me even more confused as to why I fucking love Brutal Legend. It seems other people who have a background similar to mine dislike the game, but I'm totally sold by this metal masterwork.
It's not just the presentation I love either. The multiplayer in my mind is brilliant. So yeah, I'm confused.
Yes. People don't like Brutal Legend because it's hard to classify. That's totally it.
The largest complaint by far for the game was it's stage battles, i.e. multiplayer. That's my favorite part of the game. This is what worries me. Am I that out of touch or are a lot of people not looking at this game in the right way.
Admittedly, a game should be show it's grandeur and glory from the get-go and not require the player to dig into the game to find its brilliance. I think Yahtzee nailed that part, and to me it's Brutal Legend's real flaw.
This game doesn't present itself well, in game and out of game. The advertisements and trailers don't really show you the core of the game (barring the multiplayer tutorial, which is presented as a fucking side item), and the game never flat out says "don't hover around the battle and do nothing! Wade into combat and DOUBLE TEAM!" The game doesn't hint at what it takes to be good, which gives the illusion that there's no depth to the gameplay. There is, and it's awesome.
Y'know what I hate? That when Battlezone came out, reviewers flipped the fuck out, hailing it as the birth of a new genre. But now when a game has RTS elements in it, everyone loses their fucking minds and it's a cumbersome snoozer.
I just got some help and finished all the kill X with Y achievements.
If I played long enough, it is entirely possible that I would have hit 15 units with one agony ball.
There is NO WAY that ANYONE would grind 20 enemies with the rock crusher in any MP scenario. That damn achievement is designed to be traded.
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FishmanPut your goddamned hand in the goddamned Box of Pain.Registered Userregular
edited October 2009
On the subject of this game and enjoying it, I find it interesting that Shadow of the Colossus has been mentioned...
Personally, I love this game in spite of its flaws and the fact that I can never seem to find a multiplayer match (try living on an island in the pacific and getting a decent ping to anywhere). Hand's down one of the most enjoyable experiences I've had this generation - before I've even attempted multi.
I also love ICO, but it reminded me of this quiz I took a while back which tried to determine where I got my satisfaction from games, or at least what parts of a game I seemed to enjoy the most; I came out as a Seeker primary -
You like finding strange and wonderful things, or finding familiar things.
Your behaviour often shows curiosity, sustained interest, and a love of stimulating your senses.
Favourite games of Seekers surveyed so far include Elder Scrolls, Final Fantasy, Grim Fandango, Okami, Shadow of the Colossus, and Zelda .
ICo and Morrowind probalby make my top 5 games of all time. Shadow of the Colossus, if I hadn't had such a horrible time with technical difficulties, well up there. Grim Fandango / Monkey Island 2 also highly placed.
And I'd have to say this is knocking on the top 10 somewhere, or at least, the single player is. I certainly loved exploring the world - found all the NPC's in the epilogue, 100% completion, still drive around just looking at the world and reminiscing.
Anyway, the mention of SotC and this as being favourites just jogged this from my memory, and I was wondering if that might be part of why some people seem to have a much better time with this than the general gamer populace; it's a flawed gem, but for some the parts it gets right (and it gets them very right) more than outweigh the little nitpicks on gameplay or pacing.
Y'know what I hate? That when Battlezone came out, reviewers flipped the fuck out, hailing it as the birth of a new genre. But now when a game has RTS elements in it, everyone loses their fucking minds and it's a cumbersome snoozer.
Battlezone was also, ya know... a really good game.
My dad came to visit, so I showed him brutal legend. Much \m/ ensued.
Then we went to go see mastodon/dethklok in concert. I think the metal gods would be pleased with me.
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TrynantManiac BrawlerRank 20.100 and full WildRegistered Userregular
edited October 2009
I've decided there are too few videos of Brutal Legend's multiplayer, so I put some stuff up on YouTube showing off my awesome rank 17 skills....yeah I'm pretty bad
I hope this can give people who haven't seen much of the "RTS" elements of the game a better idea of how Stage Battles work.
TexiKenDammit!That fish really got me!Registered Userregular
edited October 2009
I've always wondered, if you line up a shooting vehicle or construct and you don't line it up exactly to where it turns red, does it still hurt them as long as you're in the area?
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I think "Painkiller" works quite well in Brutal Legend...don't know about Rock Band ("Visions" should of taken priority!).
Aside from the fact that Visions is an utterly, utterly horrible song that owes its entire existence to people who think random note vomit is inherently fun.
I think "Painkiller" works quite well in Brutal Legend...don't know about Rock Band ("Visions" should of taken priority!).
Aside from the fact that Visions is an utterly, utterly horrible song that owes its entire existence to people who think random note vomit is inherently fun.
Yes, that is a woman "singing."
I take it you're not a fan of death metal?
There's a reason bands refer to them as "vocalists" and not singers.
Definitely not my style of death metal though. More of a melodeath guy myself.
I like it all (Except regular death metal, grind and most of the core variations with the exception of some metalcore) but I listen to mostly melodeath. Always up for some good black sabbath though.
I think "Painkiller" works quite well in Brutal Legend...don't know about Rock Band ("Visions" should of taken priority!).
Aside from the fact that Visions is an utterly, utterly horrible song that owes its entire existence to people who think random note vomit is inherently fun.
Eh, people with an open mind can enjoy that song.
And that "random note vomit" is actually under-charted :?
Why are we talking about Rock Band? MORE BRUTAL LEGEND NEEDS TO BE IN THIS THREAD!
I have yet to do any match other than 1v1's and that makes me sad. I don't like how you have to invite friends to get multiple players in one map (because none of my friends seem to play Brutal Legend when I do--they all like Borderlands :x), but I guess at the same time if you don't have a microphone things would start to suck (everyone would try to build the army and chaos would ensue).
Oh yeah, a couple of videos of my match as Drowning Doom versus a Tainted Coil player. Even with my crappy skills I pretty much own the guy (except he kicks my ass when dueling each other). Not exactly a great show of skill (of which I have yet to really see on YouTube), but hopefully y'all will like it.
So I'm home now,if anyone wants to play online, send me a message!
And another reason I haven't done any matches with more than 2 players is that I'm afraid to show off how much I suck. I think everyone here outskills me
I think "Painkiller" works quite well in Brutal Legend...don't know about Rock Band ("Visions" should of taken priority!).
Aside from the fact that Visions is an utterly, utterly horrible song that owes its entire existence to people who think random note vomit is inherently fun.
Eh, people with an open mind can enjoy that song.
In his defense, any kind of Death Metal is very much an acquired taste. We're metal fans. Lets just enjoy the music.
I just played this game vs. a DD player who was massing upgraded frightwigs, which I have never seen before. I had no idea what to do and he pretty much controlled the map and was destroying the merch booths in my base when my HEROIC TEAM OF ROADIES SUDDENLY APPEARED AT HIS STAGE AND TOOK US TO VICTORY!
Never won a game at 1k resource disadvantage before. Fond memories of dark templar.
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TrynantManiac BrawlerRank 20.100 and full WildRegistered Userregular
I just played this game vs. a DD player who was massing upgraded frightwigs, which I have never seen before. I had no idea what to do and he pretty much controlled the map and was destroying the merch booths in my base when my HEROIC TEAM OF ROADIES SUDDENLY APPEARED AT HIS STAGE AND TOOK US TO VICTORY!
Never won a game at 1k resource disadvantage before. Fond memories of dark templar.
Roadies are stealthy symphonies of destruction.
Apparently the upgrade tier 1 range units are ridiculous for Ironheade and Drowning Doom, as can be vouched by Klyka...
Ok we just had the most RIDICULOUS match. We were DD. They were Ironheade.
They ONLY built Razorgirls and Rockcrushers. The Razorgirls were upgraded. We send entire armies at them and couldn't do ANYTHING.
In the end we won because they quit for some reason.
Holy shit that match was insane. They would of had that match if they actually ATTACKED with their Razor Girls, but instead those chicks just sat at their stage as defense.
I think there just was some strategic counter we weren't thinking of though. Maybe if we had a full troop of debuffers (3 Brides one or two Organists and a Derigible) with a Treeback and some Reapers/Broods with us and Veil of Deceit'ed our way there we could of had that. That and we probably should of waited for our armies to be fully massed, I know at some points we were just sending a few units and still had some lagging behind. Either way, I never knew that Razor Girl spam could be so insane
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Here's some videos of the entire match. Sad that it ended with them quitting, because I would of loved to see one of us get owned.
I had a few minutes before I had to go pick up dinner and figured I ought to play a quick game of BL. Then I was like "oh shit it's Kor!" What followed was a long, emotionally taxing game that I was convinced I was going to lose until the brutal victory screen popped. . . after all my attacking units had perished.
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Totally on my way to 50 wins with this man by my side 8-)
So we went what? 11 - 1? Pretty good if you ask me. More of you guys should join in some time.
Pokemon Safari - Sneasel, Pawniard, ????
I'm curious in regards to latency, as I'm living in the midwest of the states. Illinois specifically.
Pokemon Safari - Sneasel, Pawniard, ????
"Hit 15 enemies with one Agony Ball using the Pain Lifter's Double Team."
damn... atleast it doesn't say kill, if that makes anything better.
Except for using a buddy, the only thing i can think of doing is sacrficing your base.
In other words, let a whole bunch of headbangers and/or other melee units tackle your base, with you and your painlifter parked on the side aiming at them.
Pokemon Safari - Sneasel, Pawniard, ????
Germany.
I did expect latency but I didn't think it would be so miniscule. It was actually very well playable.
Holy shit, really?
Man, the lag was virtually nonexistent. Considering you're on the other side of the pond.
Pokemon Safari - Sneasel, Pawniard, ????
I guess I can try and trade them. If anyone needs the do X with Y achievements, my GT is in sig. I'll be driving around looking for my 3 missing serpents for a while
Y'know what I hate? That when Battlezone came out, reviewers flipped the fuck out, hailing it as the birth of a new genre. But now when a game has RTS elements in it, everyone loses their fucking minds and it's a cumbersome snoozer.
If I played long enough, it is entirely possible that I would have hit 15 units with one agony ball.
There is NO WAY that ANYONE would grind 20 enemies with the rock crusher in any MP scenario. That damn achievement is designed to be traded.
Personally, I love this game in spite of its flaws and the fact that I can never seem to find a multiplayer match (try living on an island in the pacific and getting a decent ping to anywhere). Hand's down one of the most enjoyable experiences I've had this generation - before I've even attempted multi.
I also love ICO, but it reminded me of this quiz I took a while back which tried to determine where I got my satisfaction from games, or at least what parts of a game I seemed to enjoy the most; I came out as a Seeker primary -
ICo and Morrowind probalby make my top 5 games of all time. Shadow of the Colossus, if I hadn't had such a horrible time with technical difficulties, well up there. Grim Fandango / Monkey Island 2 also highly placed.
And I'd have to say this is knocking on the top 10 somewhere, or at least, the single player is. I certainly loved exploring the world - found all the NPC's in the epilogue, 100% completion, still drive around just looking at the world and reminiscing.
Anyway, the mention of SotC and this as being favourites just jogged this from my memory, and I was wondering if that might be part of why some people seem to have a much better time with this than the general gamer populace; it's a flawed gem, but for some the parts it gets right (and it gets them very right) more than outweigh the little nitpicks on gameplay or pacing.
tl;dr - hypothetical rhetorical gamer psyche philosophy wankery.
Your hypothetical rhetorical gamer psyche philosophy wankery and my hypothetical rhetorical gamer psyche philosophy wankery are quite similar.
Battlezone was also, ya know... a really good game.
My dad came to visit, so I showed him brutal legend. Much \m/ ensued.
Then we went to go see mastodon/dethklok in concert. I think the metal gods would be pleased with me.
I hope this can give people who haven't seen much of the "RTS" elements of the game a better idea of how Stage Battles work.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfLlrW3mInE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8xfFUnVVZc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjbiFH7-H58
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkPRVrKUSus
Aces Wild is a pretty stellar game.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLTz56PJJT0&feature=player_embedded#
Also, I'm loving the Drowning Doom tracks most of all. Lets hope DF works on whatever Baron fix they may be planning.
In this Spoiler - Sweet Blowjobby Last-Boss Music
Faster than a lazer bullet:whistle:
Pokemon Safari - Sneasel, Pawniard, ????
Hey Kor are you gonna be up for some more games today?
I'll be home in around...hm...4 1/2 hours.
sounds good to me, My wife starts her shift in 4 hours, so I'll be good to go.
Pokemon Safari - Sneasel, Pawniard, ????
http://www.livestream.com/pabrutallegend
Pokemon Safari - Sneasel, Pawniard, ????
Pokemon Safari - Sneasel, Pawniard, ????
Well, these two games, Rock Band 2 being the other.
Aces Wild is a pretty stellar game.
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Aside from the fact that Visions is an utterly, utterly horrible song that owes its entire existence to people who think random note vomit is inherently fun.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWUGeVMEKm8
Yes, that is a woman "singing."
I take it you're not a fan of death metal?
There's a reason bands refer to them as "vocalists" and not singers.
Definitely not my style of death metal though. More of a melodeath guy myself.
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This is more my style of death metal -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K003TNG40P8
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9AcG0glVu4
I'm just gonna sit here at the menu and listen to Symptom of the Universe for now though.
Eh, people with an open mind can enjoy that song.
And that "random note vomit" is actually under-charted :?
Why are we talking about Rock Band? MORE BRUTAL LEGEND NEEDS TO BE IN THIS THREAD!
I have yet to do any match other than 1v1's and that makes me sad. I don't like how you have to invite friends to get multiple players in one map (because none of my friends seem to play Brutal Legend when I do--they all like Borderlands :x), but I guess at the same time if you don't have a microphone things would start to suck (everyone would try to build the army and chaos would ensue).
Oh yeah, a couple of videos of my match as Drowning Doom versus a Tainted Coil player. Even with my crappy skills I pretty much own the guy (except he kicks my ass when dueling each other). Not exactly a great show of skill (of which I have yet to really see on YouTube), but hopefully y'all will like it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXABaHqjanU
EDIT:
And another reason I haven't done any matches with more than 2 players is that I'm afraid to show off how much I suck. I think everyone here outskills me
Aces Wild is a pretty stellar game.
Blog, Playing Rules; Let's Play Demon's Souls; My Backlog
In his defense, any kind of Death Metal is very much an acquired taste. We're metal fans. Lets just enjoy the music.
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I love the hands constantly urging you to press Start.
They ONLY built Razorgirls and Rockcrushers. The Razorgirls were upgraded. We send entire armies at them and couldn't do ANYTHING.
In the end we won because they quit for some reason.
Never won a game at 1k resource disadvantage before. Fond memories of dark templar.
Roadies are stealthy symphonies of destruction.
Apparently the upgrade tier 1 range units are ridiculous for Ironheade and Drowning Doom, as can be vouched by Klyka...
Holy shit that match was insane. They would of had that match if they actually ATTACKED with their Razor Girls, but instead those chicks just sat at their stage as defense.
I think there just was some strategic counter we weren't thinking of though. Maybe if we had a full troop of debuffers (3 Brides one or two Organists and a Derigible) with a Treeback and some Reapers/Broods with us and Veil of Deceit'ed our way there we could of had that. That and we probably should of waited for our armies to be fully massed, I know at some points we were just sending a few units and still had some lagging behind. Either way, I never knew that Razor Girl spam could be so insane
EDIT-
Here's some videos of the entire match. Sad that it ended with them quitting, because I would of loved to see one of us get owned.
Part 2
Part 3
Aces Wild is a pretty stellar game.
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I got all the ironheade concept art naturally except for the metal beast. I dunno what the point of t3 anti-infantry unit is.
I did not, however, get the fans achievement. I only have 220,000 after 71 games. My games are often short, dare I say, brutal, affairs.