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Redpilling (help me understand the Matrix)
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Just finished watching the Matrix trilogy, Animatrix and pile driving through the Matrix Wikis. So what exactly happens after Matrix Revolutions ? Does it continue through the Matrix online game ? Are the humans freed ?
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So that might be a decent place to start.
we also talk about other random shit and clown upon each other
I know they carried on the story in the MMO. I'd be interested in hearing what happened from someone who played it.
In order to keep the inhabitants of Zion under control, the Machines created the concept of The One. The Oracle disseminated among the rebels a prophecy that one day a messiah would be born with the power to 'free' humanity. This figure, called the One, would actually be instrumental in the continuation of the Matrix. When Zion's population grew too large, the One would be introduced into the Matrix and would be permitted to make contact with the Zion rebels and escape from the Matrix, causing them to concentrate their attentions on the prophecy rather than the actual progress of the conflict. After a certain amount of time had passed, Zion would be attacked, and that would be the impetus guiding the One to a meeting with the Architect, who would then tell him the truth about the Matrix and his following task:
"The function of the One is now to return to the Source allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry, reinserting the Prime Program. After which you will be required to select from the Matrix twenty-three individuals — sixteen female, seven male — to rebuild Zion. Failure to comply with this process will result in a cataclysmic system crash killing everyone connected to the Matrix which, coupled with the extermination of Zion, will ultimately result in the extinction of the entire human race."
The selected individuals would be told the prophecy of the One, but would not be allowed to know of the cycle of the Matrix's renewal, each time believing it to be first time anyone had been freed from the Matrix.
This "One cycle" was put into effect, with the machines maintaining control of the system for five full cycles and five Ones. The sixth One, Thomas "Neo" Anderson, was different from his predecessors in a way the machines had not expected. The previous Ones had all been conditioned to feel an intense platonic connection with the human race in general, and had chosen to prolong the Matrix in order to prevent the extinction of the human race. For Neo, however, that connection was romantic: he loved a woman, called Trinity. Neo therefore rejected the compromise offered by the Architect to save humanity and instead made the irrational decision to save Trinity from an attack by an Agent.
Meanwhile, Smith, a rogue Agent corrupted and strengthened by a previous encounter with Neo, was spreading throughout the Matrix like a virus, becoming a threat to both machines and humans. The One therefore struck a deal with the machines to destroy Smith in return for peace. The machines accepted this proposal, fearing that they could no longer control or terminate the renegade viral Smith, who had grown incalculably strong. Smith had a growing hatred for humanity, and the crushing weight of "purpose" of The Matrix, and desired to destroy both. Neo and Smith battled, but eventually Neo submitted and allowed Smith to imprint over him, causing Smith to be destroyed and Neo to die. The Matrix Revolutions leaves the cause of Smith's defeat fairly ambiguous. One interpretation concludes that Smith destroyed himself: In a display of irony, Smith's purpose was to destroy the One, and after having done so, became purposeless, and is destroyed as a result. Another interpretation is that once Smith infected Neo, the Machines used Neo - repeatedly described as possessing unique powers over the Matrix - to destroy Smith. A third possible explanation, based on the Oracle's claim that Smith is Neo's negative, is that the imprinting of Smith over Neo created a program so unstable that it ultimately destroyed itself. Another theory is that, Neo retained some of his personality (as The Oracle did, delivering a line she had said to Neo in her original form, through the Oracle/Smith clone) and after becoming a clone, was linked to them and used that link to destroy them.
Explains it (fairly) well I think.
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supposedly, this plot is sanctioned by the Wachowskis themselves, and explains what happened after the last movie.
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Yeah Reloaded wasn't the greatest, but it wasn't that bad. It wasn't Revolutions bad.
They were filmed at the same time and released 3 months apart! How can it be so much worse.
It feels like they really tried creating the whole universe too quickly (movies, games, comics, anime) and just got spent and didn't really give a shit towards the end.
the biggest problem with reloaded was that it introduced all these concepts related to determinism and perception of reality, then ends in a cliffhanger... and then the third movie just waves it's hand and says no, nevermind guys, neo is jesus.
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
10+ posts before anyone said this? C'mon fanbois!
personally didn't hate any of them except the very ending of the 3rd, which i felt was a total cockblock. i mean, the machines are right there, about to fuck zion's shit up, and then their all 'oh okay we got neo? then fuck these dudes' and bail.
anyways, the missed potential on the matrix games is so stupid. the only one remotely close to fun was 'enter the matrix' and that was just a badly done max payne ripoff
The Matrix doesn't have fans any more. They made pretty damn sure of that.
You're the (only) One.
the path of neo was actually enjoyable
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see and I thought the sequels sucked because they didn't have script to steal again. How much did they have to pay out to that woman who wrote the original script? like 60+ million or something?
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Lies, I just realized again last night that the Matrix trilogy are some of my favorite movies. People just wanted them to be more than they were and got pissy and left.
Thanks for linking to that plot stuff guys, I'd ignored the game but it's interesting to see where they took the story.
I completely agree. The movie had such a great opportunity to become a true scifi philosophical movie but instead of letting people think they decided to go full-bore Jesus.
The albino-twin-freeway-chase-scene and Monica Bellucci in a rubber dress made the 2nd one OK in my book though.
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Yeah this is the best way to go about it.
They just couldn't get past the stupid crap.
In The Matrix you had the programs and the humans. Then in Reloaded they start introducing all these other factions like the Merovingian and the Ghost Twins and Seraph etc. And it just got so convoluted and crowded that people pretty much just gave up.
Before Reloaded came out my friends and I had a good tabletop game of Matrix going based on a system we found Online.
After Reloaded came out we never played again.
I didn't see Revolutions until it hit the discount theater.
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The cycle of Zion's destruction/regrowth is broken, yes, and only those who wanted to be freed; those who have no desire to escape stay in the matrix.
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I didn't think the second movie was particularly great, but I will say this: at the end of it I was really excited for the third movie. I definitely spent multiple hours arguing about what the ending meant and what was really going on. The third movie was also not particularly bad, but combined with the second it was a huge letdown.
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
That said, I really feel like the first movie is the "Star Wars" of our generation. Like Star Wars, it was fuckin' awesome. Also like Star Wars, it popularized a new mythology and set of metaphors that still dominates our consciousness to this day ("the Matrix" is now the de facto metaphor for Plato's cave; the movie solidified the robot apocalypse mythology already present in Terminator). Star Wars did that with "the Force" and "the Empire" and solidified space travel as a new mythological setting.
I feel that the first Matrix pretty much layed the path for all the other movies. I think people were disappointed with them because they weren't as mindblowingly *WHOA* as the other ones. It's all in the prophesy that Morpheus first tells Neo: "When the matrix was created there was a man born inside who could change whatever he wanted. It was he who freed the first of us" This is the exact job that the architect wants Neo to perform. I thought it was really cool seeing how this prophesy is eventually fulfilled in the other movies.
What I'm really interested in talking about it Sati's role. Does she become the next "one" but serve more as a curator of the new Matrix? Agent smith talked about how the machines first tried to create an ideal human world but the human mind wouldn't accept it. Some thought that they lacked the language, but he is convinced that suffering is at the core of the human condition. Perhaps Sati, being born out of love instead of purpose like the other programs, is able to successfully create this perfect world. I think it is really interesting how Sati is born. Her father is a power plant manager for recycling operations. That means he is responsible for feeding dead people to babies. Her mother is an "interactive software programmer" meaning she creates the intelligent programs that inhabit the matrix as well as other machine-world environments. She may have had a hand in creating the Oracle, which would make sense because they give the Merovingian the codes to delete the Oracle's shell in exchange for Sati's safety. Sati goes to the care of the Oracle, so the Oracle was likely totally cool with this exchange as she wasn't in any danger.
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
The Watchmen.
Anyway, I never understood why the machines just didn't kill anyone who rejected the matrix. Problem solved.
after letting them all congregate in zion first
and they certainly were trying to kill the in the meantime
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
One of the most glaring examples is in Reloaded, they walk into the Merovingian's hotel and Neo comments that the walls are full of explosives, which is why they've got to be careful. He could literally will the explosives out of existence. Why doesn't he? Is he just that stupid?
I would go hit tvtropes for the proper response to this, but I'm tired and can't handle the inevitable loss of hours of doing so tonight :P
Isn't this exactly what Neo does? There was never any cataclysmic system crash. Zion was attacked, yes, but all of the humans in the Matrix were fine n' dandy, pretty much making the Architect's threat nothing more than hot air.
Either it's just a lie, or maybe once a critical mass of people break the fourth wall in there things start going totally to shit
that would sort of make sense
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat