I've always just assumed that there would be a paragon/neutral/renegade added option to the profile reconstruction thing in ME1. History/Reputation/Spectre Activities.
It would be the simple way to solve things. Sure, it would paint situations with a broad brush, but you could assume paragon/renegade/neutral critpath choices across the board.
Like...
Saving/destroying Feros, killing/saving the Rachni Queen, who dies on Noveria, (Ashley as Paragon, Kaiden+Wrex as Neutral, Kaiden as Renegade,) and the council choices at the end (Save the council+Anderson as Paragon, Kill the council+Anderson as Neutral, and kill the council+Udina as Renegade)
Of course, I shouldn't really care. I'm going to be importing my Shepard into ME2 so I won't even see any of this stuff for those poor people who aren't importing.
Question: A member of your squad disagrees strongly with the objective of your mission. He threatens to stop you if you continue. Do you:
A: Try to reason with him.
B: Shoot him.
C: Order your squad to kill him.
I'd go with
D : Charm the guy with a slightly more eloquent version of "Come ooonnnnn."
Like going up to a crime lord's bodyguards and getting them to leave because Shep says, "Isn't it time to look for a new job?" I mean, really, that works?
All I would need would be to hear the voice of Edward James Olmos saying, "Action stations" in the middle of a battle, and I would weep tears of joy. I'd be perfectly fine just hearing him over the radio as some disembodied voice, as long as I heard him speak those words.
Question: A member of your squad disagrees strongly with the objective of your mission. He threatens to stop you if you continue. Do you:
A: Try to reason with him.
B: Shoot him.
C: Order your squad to kill him.
I'd go with
D : Charm the guy with a slightly more eloquent version of "Come ooonnnnn."
Like going up to a crime lord's bodyguards and getting them to leave because Shep says, "Isn't it time to look for a new job?" I mean, really, that works?
It works when about two seconds ago you murdered about 20 armed and trained guards.
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AegeriTiny wee bacteriumsPlateau of LengRegistered Userregular
edited October 2009
What I want is a dialogue option for Shepherd to shout "WE NEED MORE BODYBAGS" and I will be satisfied.
Because that is invariably what my Mass Effect playthroughs turn into anyway.
I only just started playing ME1 a few days ago. I'm not that familiar with Bioware games so I was wondering if someone could tell me if theres some hidden effect at play with all those dialogue options. I know the blue ones are special options that are unlocked since my Charm stat is pretty high and those can change the outcome of a situation but what about all the other generic replies? I've logged about 25 hours already and I've only come across half a dozen opportunities to use the blue replies. It would seem kind of weird that out of all the various options almost none of them cause any meaningful change. I mean, why bother? Am I getting secret paragon or renegade points? I only ask because the writing is probably my favourite thing about the game and everything else about it is quite awful. I'd like to think that all this dialogue isn't just window dressing.
the top right one is generally more paragon, the bottom right is generally more renegade, the middle right is generally neutral. I say generally, because sometimes you hit it and something you didn't expect happens. But for the most part they follow that pattern.
Thanks. I think they should make it clearer that those options are actually having some tangible effect because a couple of hours in I found myself asking what on earth the point was of choosing this answer over that, other than my own amusement. I know there is a "paragon" and "renegade" notice in the bottom right hand corner but during normal conversation I hardly ever see them.
Randomized choices from ME1 for fresh ME2 would be interesting.
Thane: So wait, you let the Rachni Queen go, but you shot your trusted krogan warlord buddy because he was mad about the cure for the genophage being ignored by you and Captain Holdtheline?
Shepard: Uh...*punch*
Ok, so maybe limited randomization within certain Paragon/Renegade/Neutral-ish guidelines would be interesting.
Also, from the neutral engineer playthrough I just finished up: I thought for sure I was going to have to kill Wrex (or at least have him back-shotgunned). I was disappointed by his stupid trust in me for recovering his broke-ass shit. Seriously though, neutral, persuadeless Shep cuts a swath of murder and mayhem through the galaxy twice as wide as Renegade McIntimidate Shep.
Thanks. I think they should make it clearer that those options are actually having some tangible effect because a couple of hours in I found myself asking what on earth the point was of choosing this answer over that, other than my own amusement. I know there is a "paragon" and "renegade" notice in the bottom right hand corner but during normal conversation I hardly ever see them.
yeah, in some normal conversations when you're not making a key decision part that distinction isn't too prevalent. Like if you're just asking for more information, you might do it in a more pressing tone or something like that.
If you don't own ME1 is there a BioWare 'canon' model for the first game for ME2 to use? I feel like this has been answered a while back.
What I'm basically saying is this. I played ME1. I loved it. I've got a perfect level 60 'clean' character ready for import to ME2. But its the 360 version. And I will probably pick up the Pc version of ME2. So while I did play the first one, I wont have an import. Can I change the 'canonical' ending of ME1 in ME2 like KOTOR2.
Honestly, we're going back and forth on that. There are two schools of thought:
1) No Canon Model: People should be allowed to choose. After all, if we decide that everyone who doesn't import a game gets "Saved the Council, Chose Anderson" as their ending, well, that's a bunch of "Killed the Council" and "Chose Udina" content that just never gets seen by a whole lot of people. Not to get people's expectations unrealistically high, but holy CRAP are there a lot of conditionals flying around based on some of the big stuff you did, and if it's not even a CHOICE for people who aren't importing, that's kind of a bummer.
2) Canon Model: People who didn't play ME1 don't want to be swamped. "Hey, guy who didn't play ME1, doesn't browse the wiki or go to forums, but thought ME2 looked cool from commercials: Did you leave Ash or Kaidan on Virmire? No, screw you and your 'Wanting to have context to make that decision'. Ash or Kaidan. NOW. CHOOSE. Next up, the rachni! You have no idea who they are? Well, tough. Did you save them or dump them in acid? No, trust us, it was a reasonable choice at the time."
It's a problem that got me good and aggravated it as I discussed it with a bunch of people far more important than I am. Ultimately, though, it's an edge case. We THINK that most people who played ME1 are going to import a character, and most people who didn't play ME1 will pick up ME2 and not really care about what they could have done last game. The only people who would lose out if we declared "Nope, we decide for you unless you import" are the people who played ME1 but aren't importing -- maybe people whose drive got corrupted, or who want to start fresh with a different character, or whatever.
Again, I don't know how we'll end up deciding this. Regardless, for anyone on this thread (who thus likely played ME1), I really really really recommend importing, because that's what's going to make it feel like a continuation of your story more than anything else. Even just a critpath playthrough is going to unlock some much different stuff you might not get to see otherwise.
Or, you just do the same thing in ME1. Either a quick start with auto select for the Xbots that want to leap into teh menz shootin, or a customized 'multiple choice' path via a fake psych evaluation.
Question: A member of your squad disagrees strongly with the objective of your mission. He threatens to stop you if you continue. Do you:
A: Try to reason with him.
B: Shoot him.
C: Order your squad to kill him.
The solution should obviously be to let Taky's best playthrough be the basis for the canon model.
And yeah, just being able to chose: Mostly Paragon, Mostly Neutral, or Mostly Renegade sounds just fine.
The reviews are pretty consistent: the role playing is fun, but the actual fighting is awful. It's an absolute deal breaker for the first review, the second review gives it a pass for the conversation elements, and the IGN review says it averages out to blandesville.
I guess that stuff would be cool, but is the game fun to play?
its fun, but i only play games on the thing while on the toilet at work so anything is pretty fun, get canabalt for it however, and ive heard good things about dexter the game.
It's a problem that got me good and aggravated it as I discussed it with a bunch of people far more important than I am. Ultimately, though, it's an edge case. We THINK that most people who played ME1 are going to import a character, and most people who didn't play ME1 will pick up ME2 and not really care about what they could have done last game. The only people who would lose out if we declared "Nope, we decide for you unless you import" are the people who played ME1 but aren't importing -- maybe people whose drive got corrupted, or who want to start fresh with a different character, or whatever.
I'm definitely going to import, but I will probably want to play through the game with more than just that one character. It would be nice to be able to select the choices I want without having to play through ME1 again.
Speaking of choices, for those of us with multiple profiles, will there be any way to see which of them is the . . . uh, fullest? I can't remember which of them are complete quest runs. In addition to that, they are all named the same.
Oh god, I am going to have to play through again, aren't I. Twice even.
Speaking of choices, for those of us with multiple profiles, will there be any way to see which of them is the . . . uh, fullest? I can't remember which of them are complete quest runs. In addition to that, they are all named the same.
Oh god, I am going to have to play through again, aren't I. Twice even.
You have until January. Chop-chop.
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ExtreaminatusGo forth and amplify,the Noise Marines are here!Registered Userregular
edited October 2009
Yeah, you're gonna have to play again. Damn :P
I have two ready to go: Renegade Infiltrator Shep and Paragon Adept Shep. Now I just need a neutral Vanguard run and I'm ready for January.
question, if i have the level 60 achievement, giving the extra XP boost along with the other xp boosting achievements, is it then possible to get to level 60 in one playthrough on insane?
question, if i have the level 60 achievement, giving the extra XP boost along with the other xp boosting achievements, is it then possible to get to level 60 in one playthrough on insane?
No, the most you'll be able to get up to is level 57 or 58 in one playthrough. And I don't think that you get more XP playing on a harder difficulty, but I never really paid attention.
Why is everyone pushing for the lvl 60 character for the ME2 playthrough? It's not like it affects the story and it's not like it's going to greatly affect the combat difficulty. The most important thing would probably be completing all side-quests and picking a general class idea you want to stay with.
Because I want everything. It is going to be physically painful for me to make a choice between the Terminus and Inferno armour. Honestly though, I really don't want to play Mass Effect again that much, considering I've done so at least a half dozen times already (plus the number of times it takes to fill persuade and intimidate without spending points . . . 3 or 4?). At the very least, I should be able to use one of the character profiles that is already level 60, so I don't need to worry about that.
There are about 70 assignments to complete. Maybe a fraction beside each profile? Pleeeeeeeaaase?
Why is everyone pushing for the lvl 60 character for the ME2 playthrough? It's not like it affects the story and it's not like it's going to greatly affect the combat difficulty. The most important thing would probably be completing all side-quests and picking a general class idea you want to stay with.
I've given up on hitting 60, I'm just happy I got to 50. I really just want to go to Ilos, but I'm probably going to finish Pinnacle Station if only to take that douche-bag turian's gun.
Speaking of choices, for those of us with multiple profiles, will there be any way to see which of them is the . . . uh, fullest? I can't remember which of them are complete quest runs. In addition to that, they are all named the same.
Oh god, I am going to have to play through again, aren't I. Twice even.
That's only 5 hour's worth of playthrough :P 16 if you want a full completionest plotstate
/goes back to testing ME1 savegame importing
Also, re: the possibility of an ME1 savegame editor on PC.. possible but oh god painful to test properly, even with full access to plotstate editors and source code
I want to do a complete crazy Shepard runthrough to see how fucked up I can get ME2.
Not like psycho "kill everything". But with absolutely no internal logic to speak of. Maybe I'll free the rachni, but kill the plant lady. Maybe I'll save the colonists, but kill the council.
Oh god, you're killing me Birudojin. I don't even have my 360 with me. Just . . . Just please don't tell me that the DLC is included in full plots. That would mean I would have to buy Pinnacle Station now, too.
Speaking of choices, for those of us with multiple profiles, will there be any way to see which of them is the . . . uh, fullest? I can't remember which of them are complete quest runs. In addition to that, they are all named the same.
Oh god, I am going to have to play through again, aren't I. Twice even.
Well, if you can remember the approximate dates of your playthroughs, you might be good to go, although it would probably just be easier to do one more and remember that date. Of course this is assuming they give you the time of the save slot when you go to import.
Edit: Oh, I just reread that again. I thought you said "which one is the complete quest run" not "which ones are." It would be pretty difficult to remember the dates on 3+ different games, you'd be better off doing it again
question, if i have the level 60 achievement, giving the extra XP boost along with the other xp boosting achievements, is it then possible to get to level 60 in one playthrough on insane?
No, the most you'll be able to get up to is level 57 or 58 in one playthrough. And I don't think that you get more XP playing on a harder difficulty, but I never really paid attention.
Oh god, you're killing me Birudojin. I don't even have my 360 with me. Just . . . Just please don't tell me that the DLC is included in full plots. That would mean I would have to buy Pinnacle Station now, too.
More like Bring Down the Sky.
Pinnacle Station doesn't seem like it would have a large effect on ME2. Though, if the turian's gun you get for beating it turns out to be a Chekhov's Gun, I'll eat my hat.
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It would be the simple way to solve things. Sure, it would paint situations with a broad brush, but you could assume paragon/renegade/neutral critpath choices across the board.
Like...
Of course, I shouldn't really care. I'm going to be importing my Shepard into ME2 so I won't even see any of this stuff for those poor people who aren't importing.
I'd go with
D : Charm the guy with a slightly more eloquent version of "Come ooonnnnn."
Like going up to a crime lord's bodyguards and getting them to leave because Shep says, "Isn't it time to look for a new job?" I mean, really, that works?
It works when about two seconds ago you murdered about 20 armed and trained guards.
Because that is invariably what my Mass Effect playthroughs turn into anyway.
You'll be pleased to know he's part of the Quarian admirality board.
B.net: Kusanku
Shepard: Uh...*punch*
Ok, so maybe limited randomization within certain Paragon/Renegade/Neutral-ish guidelines would be interesting.
Also, from the neutral engineer playthrough I just finished up: I thought for sure I was going to have to kill Wrex (or at least have him back-shotgunned). I was disappointed by his stupid trust in me for recovering his broke-ass shit. Seriously though, neutral, persuadeless Shep cuts a swath of murder and mayhem through the galaxy twice as wide as Renegade McIntimidate Shep.
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yeah, in some normal conversations when you're not making a key decision part that distinction isn't too prevalent. Like if you're just asking for more information, you might do it in a more pressing tone or something like that.
B.net: Kusanku
The solution should obviously be to let Taky's best playthrough be the basis for the canon model.
And yeah, just being able to chose: Mostly Paragon, Mostly Neutral, or Mostly Renegade sounds just fine.
Is any game for it any good?
There are tons of great free games out there, but if you really want a bonus item and a little more background on a party member, give 'er.
http://theportablegamer.com/2009/06/iphone-review-mass-effect-galaxy/
http://wireless.ign.com/articles/996/996974p1.html
The reviews are pretty consistent: the role playing is fun, but the actual fighting is awful. It's an absolute deal breaker for the first review, the second review gives it a pass for the conversation elements, and the IGN review says it averages out to blandesville.
its fun, but i only play games on the thing while on the toilet at work so anything is pretty fun, get canabalt for it however, and ive heard good things about dexter the game.
Oh good, I'm glad I'm not the only one who felt that way.
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Oh god, I am going to have to play through again, aren't I. Twice even.
You have until January. Chop-chop.
I have two ready to go: Renegade Infiltrator Shep and Paragon Adept Shep. Now I just need a neutral Vanguard run and I'm ready for January.
No, the most you'll be able to get up to is level 57 or 58 in one playthrough. And I don't think that you get more XP playing on a harder difficulty, but I never really paid attention.
i was trying for zachary quinto, but i nudged the cheekbone and gaunt facial editors slightly
this is basically the key for making a human looking shepard
do not touch those controls
There are about 70 assignments to complete. Maybe a fraction beside each profile? Pleeeeeeeaaase?
Some people have got some great results. They must be hacking
I've given up on hitting 60, I'm just happy I got to 50. I really just want to go to Ilos, but I'm probably going to finish Pinnacle Station if only to take that douche-bag turian's gun.
Holy shit. Really hoping they upgrade the customization for 2, so I can tweak my character from 1 juuust so.
That's only 5 hour's worth of playthrough :P 16 if you want a full completionest plotstate
/goes back to testing ME1 savegame importing
Also, re: the possibility of an ME1 savegame editor on PC.. possible but oh god painful to test properly, even with full access to plotstate editors and source code
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worth of worth?
I suck
Not like psycho "kill everything". But with absolutely no internal logic to speak of. Maybe I'll free the rachni, but kill the plant lady. Maybe I'll save the colonists, but kill the council.
Udina or Anderson? I'll flip a coin!
Well, if you can remember the approximate dates of your playthroughs, you might be good to go, although it would probably just be easier to do one more and remember that date. Of course this is assuming they give you the time of the save slot when you go to import.
Edit: Oh, I just reread that again. I thought you said "which one is the complete quest run" not "which ones are." It would be pretty difficult to remember the dates on 3+ different games, you'd be better off doing it again
you do, apparantly or so i heard.
More like Bring Down the Sky.
Pinnacle Station doesn't seem like it would have a large effect on ME2. Though, if the turian's gun you get for beating it turns out to be a Chekhov's Gun, I'll eat my hat.