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The New GOP Thread: Taking Anti-Intellectualism to a Whole New Level

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  • GoslingGosling Looking Up Soccer In Mongolia Right Now, Probably Watertown, WIRegistered User regular
    edited November 2009
    Yeah, they probably would be severe critics of Obama, because of the current system that allows black people to vote and hold public office and not work as slaves.

    Which is probably what he was going for in a veiled way, unfortunately.

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  • Eat it You Nasty Pig.Eat it You Nasty Pig. tell homeland security 'we are the bomb'Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    well, they would be pretty critical of obama one would think

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    SyphonBlue wrote: »
    Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich spoke before a conservative audience in Naples, FL yesterday. Gingrich gave a talk about his new book, To Try Men’s Souls, which tells the story of men who played a critical role in the Revolutionary War. When a reporter with the Naples News asked Gingrich what the Founding Fathers would “say about our current issues” if they were alive today, he suggested that they would be “very severe critics” of President Obama:

    I think they would be very, very severe critics of the current system. And they would tell us that if we continue to drive God out of public life and we continue to increase power in Washington, we are literally putting our freedom at risk.

    In other words, Newt Gingrich has never heard of the founding fathers before.

    He's heard of the mythical founding fathers that Republicans have created of magic and fairy dust since St. Ronnie was elected.

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  • SyphonBlueSyphonBlue Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    I was thinking more about the whole God thing.

    But yeah, the slavery thing, too.

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  • Captain CarrotCaptain Carrot Alexandria, VARegistered User regular
    edited November 2009
    Eh, what do you expect from a RINO?

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    I'm pretty sure Jefferson would approve of the First Lady...

    moniker on
  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    they would tell us that if we continue to drive God out of public life and we continue to increase power in Washington, we are literally putting our freedom at risk.
    The Federalists would like to say, "fuck you."

    Couscous on
  • MKRMKR Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    moniker wrote: »
    I'm pretty sure Jefferson would approve of the First Lady...

    Obama? I barely knewa!

    MKR on
  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    It's almost as if the Founding Fathers were not a monolithic group of people who had differing opinions on any number of topics!
    Treaty of Tripoli lol
    For those of you who don't get it, we have it codified in American law and signed by founding fathers that we're not a Christian nation.

    Article 11: As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion;

    drafted during Washington's final year, signed into law by John Adams. Passed the Senate unanimously

    Jragghen on
  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    Couscous wrote: »
    they would tell us that if we continue to drive God out of public life and we continue to increase power in Washington, we are literally putting our freedom at risk.
    The Federalists would like to say, "fuck you."

    I was just thinking this....

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  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    Jragghen wrote: »
    It's almost as if the Founding Fathers were not a monolithic group of people who had differing opinions on any number of topics!
    Treaty of Tripoli lol
    For those of you who don't get it, we have it codified in American law and signed by founding fathers that we're not a Christian nation.

    Article 11: As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion;

    drafted during Washington's final year, signed into law by John Adams. Passed the Senate unanimously

    I'm sure we'd be quoting it out of context if we presented it as evidence of sorts.

    Henroid on
  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    Jragghen wrote: »
    It's almost as if the Founding Fathers were not a monolithic group of people who had differing opinions on any number of topics!
    Treaty of Tripoli lol
    For those of you who don't get it, we have it codified in American law and signed by founding fathers that we're not a Christian nation.

    Article 11: As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion;

    drafted during Washington's final year, signed into law by John Adams. Passed the Senate unanimously
    I wonder what the Republican leaders would say about the founding fathers who refused to sign the Constitution.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luther_Martin (shitty Wikipedia article)
    In November 1787, in a speech to the Maryland House of Delegates, he assailed the Constitutional Convention not only for what it was attempting to do but for how it was going about the job. He broke the pledge to secrecy under which the convention had met and informed the Maryland legislators that the Framers -- already regarded with reverence -- had wantonly violated their instructions to meet "for the sole and express purpose of revising" the Articles of Confederation.

    Instead, convention delegates had taken it upon themselves to make a fresh start by creating an entirely new system of government. To Martin, such an effort was akin to launching a coup d'état. George Washington and Benjamin Franklin had backed the change of direction of the convention, but, Martin said, we should not "suffer our eyes to be so far dazzled by the splendor of names, as to run blindfolded into what may be our destruction."

    In an address to the Maryland House of Delegates in November of 1787 and in numerous newspaper articles, Martin attacked the proposed new form of government and continued to fight ratification of the Constitution through 1788. He lamented the ascension of the national government over the states and condemned what he saw as unequal representation in Congress. He owned six slaves of his own and opposed including slaves in determining representation and believed that the absence of a jury in the U.S. Supreme Court gravely endangered freedom. At the convention, Martin complained, the aggrandizement of particular states and individuals often had been pursued more avidly than the welfare of the country. The assumption of the term "federal" by those who favored a national government also irritated Martin.
    Around 1791, however, Martin turned to the Federalist party because of his animosity toward Thomas Jefferson, who in 1807 spoke of him as the "Federal Bull-Dog."
    :lol:
    Martin's fortunes declined dramatically in his last years. He also continued to drink heavily, sinking into bankruptcy and madness. By the mid-1820s, he was subsisting on a special tax imposed on Maryland lawyers solely for his personal support. Eventually, he was taken in by Aaron Burr, whom he had defended at the disgraced ex-vice president's 1807 trial for treason. By this time, an irrational detestation of Thomas Jefferson, his one-time decentralist ally, led Martin to embrace the Federalist Party, in apparent repudiation of everything he had argued for so strenuously. Paralysis, which had struck in 1819, forced him to retire as Maryland's attorney general in 1822.

    On July 8, 1826, at the age of 78, Luther Martin died in Aaron Burr's home in New York City and was buried in an unmarked grave in St. John's churchyard. His death came four days after the deaths on July 4 of Jefferson and John Adams.
    Jesus Christ, that is depressing.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elbridge_Gerry
    * "The evils we experience flow from the excess of democracy. The people do not want virtue, but are dupes of pretended patriots"[2]
    Gerry was one of the signers of the US Declaration of Independence and the Articles of Confederation. He was one of three men who refused to sign the Constitution because it did not then include a Bill of Rights. Gerry later became Governor of Massachusetts. He is known best for being the namesake of gerrymandering, a process by which electoral districts are drawn with the aim of aiding the party in power, although the pronunciation - jer - differs from the pronunciation of Gerry's name.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_Randolph#Constitutional_Convention
    Randolph refused to sign the final document, however, believing it had insufficient checks and balances, and published an account of his objections in October 1787. He nevertheless reversed his position at the Virginia Ratifying Convention in 1788 and voted for ratification of the Constitution because eight other states had already done so, and he did not want to see Virginia left out of the new national government.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lansing,_Jr.
    He represented New York at the Constitutional Convention in 1787. At this convention he greatly opposed any law that would unify the United States under one single government. When the convention decided to propose a new plan which included uniting the independent states, he and Robert Yates walked out leaving a letter for their reasons.

    God bless them for reminding us how they were mostly politicians. Someone should write a book about the douchiest founders. Or a cracked top ten article.

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  • RentRent I'm always right Fuckin' deal with itRegistered User regular
    edited November 2009
    Sheep wrote: »
    DaMoonRulz wrote: »
    Wait, so which generation is Generation Y?

    Roughly Mid 70's to Mid 80's.

    Sadly, this is the next generation.

    http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh292/jurassiclyts/scenester.jpg

    I would more than likely attempt to date this girl

    Says a lot about me huh

    Rent on
  • werehippywerehippy Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    Rent wrote: »
    Sheep wrote: »
    DaMoonRulz wrote: »
    Wait, so which generation is Generation Y?

    Roughly Mid 70's to Mid 80's.

    Sadly, this is the next generation.

    http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh292/jurassiclyts/scenester.jpg

    I would more than likely attempt to date this girl

    Says a lot about me huh

    In that you are either younger than expected or a pedophile, yes :)

    werehippy on
  • RentRent I'm always right Fuckin' deal with itRegistered User regular
    edited November 2009
    moniker wrote: »
    I'm pretty sure Jefferson would approve of the First Lady...

    Moniker, you are a treasure
    Stay golden

    Rent on
  • RentRent I'm always right Fuckin' deal with itRegistered User regular
    edited November 2009
    werehippy wrote: »
    Rent wrote: »
    Sheep wrote: »
    DaMoonRulz wrote: »
    Wait, so which generation is Generation Y?

    Roughly Mid 70's to Mid 80's.

    Sadly, this is the next generation.

    http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh292/jurassiclyts/scenester.jpg

    I would more than likely attempt to date this girl

    Says a lot about me huh

    In that you are either younger than expected or a pedophile, yes :)

    Well, I'm 19 and she looks 18ish

    Obviously if she were underage I wouldn't date her





    ...
    Stop looking at me like that

    Rent on
  • MKRMKR Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    Rent wrote: »
    werehippy wrote: »
    Rent wrote: »
    Sheep wrote: »
    DaMoonRulz wrote: »
    Wait, so which generation is Generation Y?

    Roughly Mid 70's to Mid 80's.

    Sadly, this is the next generation.

    http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh292/jurassiclyts/scenester.jpg

    I would more than likely attempt to date this girl

    Says a lot about me huh

    In that you are either younger than expected or a pedophile, yes :)

    Well, I'm 19 and she looks 18ish

    Obviously if she were underage I wouldn't date her





    ...
    Stop looking at me like that

    ageist

    MKR on
  • JONJONAUGJONJONAUG Registered User
    edited November 2009
    So some health care bill just passed in the House, you might have heard something about it.

    Apparently, only one Republican voted for it or something like that.

    JONJONAUG on
  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    Rent wrote: »
    werehippy wrote: »
    Rent wrote: »
    Sheep wrote: »
    DaMoonRulz wrote: »
    Wait, so which generation is Generation Y?

    Roughly Mid 70's to Mid 80's.

    Sadly, this is the next generation.

    http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh292/jurassiclyts/scenester.jpg

    I would more than likely attempt to date this girl

    Says a lot about me huh

    In that you are either younger than expected or a pedophile, yes :)

    Well, I'm 19 and she looks 18ish

    Obviously if she were underage I wouldn't date her





    ...
    Stop looking at me like that

    ...dude, she looks 16. If that.

    Jragghen on
  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    JONJONAUG wrote: »
    So some health care bill just passed in the House, you might have heard something about it.

    Apparently, only one Republican voted for it or something like that.

    Joseph Cao of Louisiana's 2nd who replaced William 'hiding bribe money in the freezer is a great idea!' Jefferson.

    moniker on
  • ScalfinScalfin __BANNED USERS regular
    edited November 2009
    Jragghen wrote: »
    Rent wrote: »
    werehippy wrote: »
    Rent wrote: »
    Sheep wrote: »
    DaMoonRulz wrote: »
    Wait, so which generation is Generation Y?

    Roughly Mid 70's to Mid 80's.

    Sadly, this is the next generation.

    http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh292/jurassiclyts/scenester.jpg

    I would more than likely attempt to date this girl

    Says a lot about me huh

    In that you are either younger than expected or a pedophile, yes :)

    Well, I'm 19 and she looks 18ish

    Obviously if she were underage I wouldn't date her





    ...
    Stop looking at me like that

    ...dude, she looks 16. If that.

    14, and scenesters are the current version of these guys:
    obama33.jpg

    Scalfin on
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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    edited November 2009
    His daughter is facepalming. Awesome.

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  • RentRent I'm always right Fuckin' deal with itRegistered User regular
    edited November 2009
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    His daughter is facepalming. Awesome.

    It's what makes the picture great, truly

    And really? She was 14? Christ

    Now I feel all pedo

    Fuck

    Rent on
  • emnmnmeemnmnme Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    Rent wrote: »
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    His daughter is facepalming. Awesome.

    It's what makes the picture great, truly

    And really? She was 14? Christ

    Now I feel all pedo

    Fuck

    You can't see her eyes so I bet that trips a lot of people up. Everyone knows you wear sunglasses to appear older and sneak into R-rated movies. 8-)

    emnmnme on
  • emnmnmeemnmnme Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    EDIT: Whoops.

    emnmnme on
  • JONJONAUGJONJONAUG Registered User
    edited November 2009
    moniker wrote: »
    JONJONAUG wrote: »
    So some health care bill just passed in the House, you might have heard something about it.

    Apparently, only one Republican voted for it or something like that.

    Joseph Cao of Louisiana's 2nd who replaced William 'hiding bribe money in the freezer is a great idea!' Jefferson.

    Watching Fox News now.

    They want to murder him, it's hilarious.

    JONJONAUG on
  • BurtletoyBurtletoy Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    emnmnme wrote: »
    Burtletoy wrote: »
    emnmnme wrote: »
    Rent wrote: »
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    His daughter is facepalming. Awesome.

    It's what makes the picture great, truly

    And really? She was 14? Christ

    Now I feel all pedo

    Fuck

    You can't see her eyes so I bet that trips a lot of people up. Everyone knows you wear sunglasses to appear older and sneak into R-rated movies. 8-)

    Ehh.

    I'd pee in her butt.

    Peeing on a 14 year old? R. Kelly, is that you?

    Hehe. I deleted it cause I thought that 1) no one would get my inside joke that I have with people who've probably never visited PA and 2) cause I thoug tI was quick enough to.

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    edited November 2009
    JONJONAUG wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    JONJONAUG wrote: »
    So some health care bill just passed in the House, you might have heard something about it.

    Apparently, only one Republican voted for it or something like that.

    Joseph Cao of Louisiana's 2nd who replaced William 'hiding bribe money in the freezer is a great idea!' Jefferson.

    Watching Fox News now.

    They want to murder him, it's hilarious.

    Any choice quotes?

    Fencingsax on
  • Captain CarrotCaptain Carrot Alexandria, VARegistered User regular
    edited November 2009
    JONJONAUG wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    JONJONAUG wrote: »
    So some health care bill just passed in the House, you might have heard something about it.

    Apparently, only one Republican voted for it or something like that.

    Joseph Cao of Louisiana's 2nd who replaced William 'hiding bribe money in the freezer is a great idea!' Jefferson.

    Watching Fox News now.

    They want to murder him, it's hilarious.

    "Joe Cao just voted for socialism!"
    "This will definitely hurt his reelection prospects, yes."

    ...please tell me I'm making those up

    Captain Carrot on
  • emnmnmeemnmnme Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    "Joe Cao just voted for socialism!"

    So that's how socialism works...

    Who said this line and when will there be a video clip online?

    emnmnme on
  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    emnmnme wrote: »
    "Joe Cao just voted for socialism!"

    So that's how socialism works...

    Who said this line and when will there be a video clip online?

    Monday. After the people at Media Matters and CAP finish nursing their hangovers.

    moniker on
  • Captain CarrotCaptain Carrot Alexandria, VARegistered User regular
    edited November 2009
    moniker wrote: »
    emnmnme wrote: »
    "Joe Cao just voted for socialism!"

    So that's how socialism works...

    Who said this line and when will there be a video clip online?

    Monday. After the people at Media Matters and CAP finish nursing their hangovers.
    Well, I made it up, but someone probably did say it at Fox.

    Captain Carrot on
  • NerdgasmicNerdgasmic __BANNED USERS regular
    edited November 2009
    JONJONAUG wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    JONJONAUG wrote: »
    So some health care bill just passed in the House, you might have heard something about it.

    Apparently, only one Republican voted for it or something like that.

    Joseph Cao of Louisiana's 2nd who replaced William 'hiding bribe money in the freezer is a great idea!' Jefferson.

    Watching Fox News now.

    They want to murder him, it's hilarious.

    "Joe Cao just voted for socialism!"
    "This will definitely hurt his reelection prospects, yes."

    ...please tell me I'm making those up

    Ugh

    Nerdgasmic on
  • NartwakNartwak Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    Sorry Joe, mavericks were last year.

    Nartwak on
  • Johnny ChopsockyJohnny Chopsocky Scootaloo! We have to cook! Grillin' HaysenburgersRegistered User regular
    edited November 2009
    werehippy wrote: »
    I popped this in the healthcare thread too, but videos like this make me feel decidedly less ambiguous about single party rule in the US for the next couple decades.

    Nothing but jackasses from here to the horizon

    Oh my God, I want to punch SO MANY FACES right now. How can anyone be expected to deal with the whiny petulant childish shitheads that represent the GOP in the House? My God, it sounds like an uncontrolled kindergarten on their side of the aisle.

    "I OBJECT I OBJECT I OBJECT"
    "Why do you object?"
    ".... DUNNO... I OBJECT I OBJECT I OBJECT"

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    werehippy wrote: »
    I popped this in the healthcare thread too, but videos like this make me feel decidedly less ambiguous about single party rule in the US for the next couple decades.

    Oh my God, I want to punch SO MANY FACES right now. How can anyone be expected to deal with the whiny petulant childish shitheads that represent the GOP in the House? My God, it sounds like an uncontrolled kindergarten on their side of the aisle.

    "I OBJECT I OBJECT I OBJECT"
    "Why do you object?"
    ".... DUNNO... I OBJECT I OBJECT I OBJECT"

    It's a call for unanimous consent, so you don't really need to have a reason it's just a procedural stalling tactic most of the time. However these weren't parliamentary requests, they were 'puppies are adorable' statements; meaning that objecting to them doesn't actually prolong debate. Neither does talking over people like a douchebag. If ever there was a reason the House has a mace, this is it.

    moniker on
  • werehippywerehippy Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    moniker wrote: »
    werehippy wrote: »
    I popped this in the healthcare thread too, but videos like this make me feel decidedly less ambiguous about single party rule in the US for the next couple decades.

    Oh my God, I want to punch SO MANY FACES right now. How can anyone be expected to deal with the whiny petulant childish shitheads that represent the GOP in the House? My God, it sounds like an uncontrolled kindergarten on their side of the aisle.

    "I OBJECT I OBJECT I OBJECT"
    "Why do you object?"
    ".... DUNNO... I OBJECT I OBJECT I OBJECT"

    It's a call for unanimous consent, so you don't really need to have a reason it's just a procedural stalling tactic most of the time. However these weren't parliamentary requests, they were 'puppies are adorable' statements; meaning that objecting to them doesn't actually prolong debate. Neither does talking over people like a douchebag. If ever there was a reason the House has a mace, this is it.

    It occurs to me that at this point it doesn't matter who the Speaker is, they're going to take an be the target of ridiculous smears, so we might as well take advantage of that. Pelosi really isn't a fire breather, and whoever's holding that post is going to be tarred like one we might as well put in someone who actually is a ball buster to avoid shit like this. We have to have someone who's vicious towards jackasses, but generally likeable, who's also from a district that's north of D+10.

    werehippy on
  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    werehippy wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    werehippy wrote: »
    I popped this in the healthcare thread too, but videos like this make me feel decidedly less ambiguous about single party rule in the US for the next couple decades.

    Oh my God, I want to punch SO MANY FACES right now. How can anyone be expected to deal with the whiny petulant childish shitheads that represent the GOP in the House? My God, it sounds like an uncontrolled kindergarten on their side of the aisle.

    "I OBJECT I OBJECT I OBJECT"
    "Why do you object?"
    ".... DUNNO... I OBJECT I OBJECT I OBJECT"

    It's a call for unanimous consent, so you don't really need to have a reason it's just a procedural stalling tactic most of the time. However these weren't parliamentary requests, they were 'puppies are adorable' statements; meaning that objecting to them doesn't actually prolong debate. Neither does talking over people like a douchebag. If ever there was a reason the House has a mace, this is it.

    It occurs to me that at this point it doesn't matter who the Speaker is, they're going to take an be the target of ridiculous smears, so we might as well take advantage of that. Pelosi really isn't a fire breather, and whoever's holding that post is going to be tarred like one we might as well put in someone who actually is a ball buster to avoid shit like this. We have to have someone who's vicious towards jackasses, but generally likeable, who's also from a district that's north of D+10.

    There are like eight spines in the Democratic Party, I don't think any of them are in D +10 districts.

    enlightenedbum on
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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    werehippy wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    werehippy wrote: »
    I popped this in the healthcare thread too, but videos like this make me feel decidedly less ambiguous about single party rule in the US for the next couple decades.

    Oh my God, I want to punch SO MANY FACES right now. How can anyone be expected to deal with the whiny petulant childish shitheads that represent the GOP in the House? My God, it sounds like an uncontrolled kindergarten on their side of the aisle.

    "I OBJECT I OBJECT I OBJECT"
    "Why do you object?"
    ".... DUNNO... I OBJECT I OBJECT I OBJECT"

    It's a call for unanimous consent, so you don't really need to have a reason it's just a procedural stalling tactic most of the time. However these weren't parliamentary requests, they were 'puppies are adorable' statements; meaning that objecting to them doesn't actually prolong debate. Neither does talking over people like a douchebag. If ever there was a reason the House has a mace, this is it.

    It occurs to me that at this point it doesn't matter who the Speaker is, they're going to take an be the target of ridiculous smears, so we might as well take advantage of that. Pelosi really isn't a fire breather, and whoever's holding that post is going to be tarred like one we might as well put in someone who actually is a ball buster to avoid shit like this. We have to have someone who's vicious towards jackasses, but generally likeable, who's also from a district that's north of D+10.

    The actual Speaker only sits in the big chair for things that are important, not stupid shit like the Women's Caucus fluffing legislation. Which is why Dingell was there. They rotate it around. If anything, his being imperturbable and acting like a sweet old grandpa that wants to give everyone butterscotch comes out better than if he went all hardass.

    moniker on
  • JacobkoshJacobkosh Gamble a stamp. I can show you how to be a real man!Moderator mod
    edited November 2009
    "Joe Cao just voted for socialism!"
    "This will definitely hurt his reelection prospects, yes."

    But upthread they were saying that the Republicans were standing as the principled opposition to a populist tidal wave! Gosh, Fox News, now I am confoozled!

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