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Gaming on satellite internet?

RavenpoeRavenpoe Registered User regular
edited October 2009 in Games and Technology
As someone who has been stuck with dial-up internet access because of where I live (the freakin' boonies of Florida) I have long wished that I had access to broadband. Satellite I never considered, because the price was too high, the bandwidth limits were stupid, etc.

The price is lower now, and the bandwidth limits are still stupid, but at least reasonable. I'm highly considering it.

I only wonder how well I'd be able to game on it. Of course, I can't exactly game now, what with the dial-up, so it's still an upgrade, but does anyone here have any experience with playing online games over satellite?

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  • TurkeyTurkey So, Usoop. TampaRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Ping rates tend to be exceedingly high.

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  • Delta AssaultDelta Assault Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Remember that scene in Star Trek TMP when the transporter malfunctioned and the guy's signal got all scrambled and he ended up a deformed mess on the other end?

    Yea, it's not a good idea.

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  • intelnaviintelnavi Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Games suck due to the lag of your signal being shot to a sat or two and then back down again. The ping is just atrocious. That being said, everything else (browsing, downloading, etc) will be significantly better than dial-up just due to pure speed.

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  • RavenpoeRavenpoe Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    You mean if I were to finally attempt to play Borderlands multiplayer, I'd arrive in game as a scrambled, twisted, mutant mess that my partners would immediately shoot down out of pity?

    Because that's less than optimal.

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  • intelnaviintelnavi Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Ravenpoe wrote: »
    You mean if I were to finally attempt to play Borderlands multiplayer, I'd arrive in game as a scrambled, twisted, mutant mess that my partners would immediately shoot down out of pity?

    Because that's less than optimal.

    You'd be about 2 seconds behind everyone else. So that scag you are shooting already died.

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  • angrylinuxgeekangrylinuxgeek Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Not gonna happen. Don't even try it. Move to somewhere civilized :/

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  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    I was in your shoes when I was in Texas. Things you need to know:

    - Satellite internet doesn't need a phoneline for uploading anymore. It can sand and receive data through the dish.
    - You should look into cell phone companies, which provide Mobile Broadband connections. They come as laptop cards OR USB dongles. Beware the whole idea that how far you are from the nearest cellphone tower will affect your up/down rate and ping.

    I used a Sprint USB adapter, and I was getting like 200 to 300 ms for ping rates. Definitely not FPS material, but in an MMO environment (or maybe some RTS, if you have enough intuition) it's definitely workable. My down rate, however, would swing from 15 kb/s to 22ish, when I was supposed to be getting 40 to 60 (according to their service map).

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  • UncleSporkyUncleSporky Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    The idea is that the speed itself is fine, sure, but you get that constant stream of data seconds after you ask for it. As opposed to milliseconds.

    Gaming doesn't require awesome speeds, like downloading a gig file in a few minutes, but it does require awesome response time.

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  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Oh, by the way, the Mobile Broadband things would only work on PC's. You can't plug them into a router to get your console gaming on.

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  • RavenpoeRavenpoe Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    I've looked into cell companies, but the only cell service with any coverage in my area is Alltel (now Verizon) and all of their plans specifically mentioned canning your ass for using it as a main home internet connection.

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  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Ravenpoe wrote: »
    I've looked into cell companies, but the only cell service with any coverage in my area is Alltel (now Verizon) and all of their plans specifically mentioned canning your ass for using it as a main home internet connection.

    Holy shit, really? Sprint made no such mention of that, I don't think they really gave a damn. You should've tried haggling with them, "Well okay, I guess you don't want my money then..."

    Sprint had data plans that were split up on how much net you use, but they also have an unlimited plan (which is what I signed up for; and trust me I exceeded all their other plans).

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  • corky842corky842 Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Henroid wrote: »
    Oh, by the way, the Mobile Broadband things would only work on PC's. You can't plug them into a router to get your console gaming on.

    You can share the connection, but it takes a bit of work and requires your computer to be on all the time.

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  • UncleSporkyUncleSporky Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Henroid wrote: »
    Oh, by the way, the Mobile Broadband things would only work on PC's. You can't plug them into a router to get your console gaming on.

    This doesn't stop people though. Can't you just bridge it off your PC through a router and mask the sort of traffic it is?

    But yeah, they generally don't want people using it as main internet. There are always ways around it though.

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  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    corky842 wrote: »
    Henroid wrote: »
    Oh, by the way, the Mobile Broadband things would only work on PC's. You can't plug them into a router to get your console gaming on.

    You can share the connection, but it takes a bit of work and requires your computer to be on all the time.

    I actually learned how to do this sort of thing when I went to tech school (surprise, unused knowledge is forgotten).

    The USB connector I have scans the computer to see if it has the connection software and drivers installed. If not, it autoprompts an installer program. You don't actually have to use the program; I found out that going into your Network Connection settings you can connect that way. Problem is, I don't think you can do that on a PS3 or 360 directly.

    So yeah. Plug into PC, and then have the PC source the connection to consoles... major pain in the ass.

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  • NewresNewres Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Henroid wrote: »
    corky842 wrote: »
    Henroid wrote: »
    Oh, by the way, the Mobile Broadband things would only work on PC's. You can't plug them into a router to get your console gaming on.

    You can share the connection, but it takes a bit of work and requires your computer to be on all the time.

    I actually learned how to do this sort of thing when I went to tech school (surprise, unused knowledge is forgotten).

    The USB connector I have scans the computer to see if it has the connection software and drivers installed. If not, it autoprompts an installer program. You don't actually have to use the program; I found out that going into your Network Connection settings you can connect that way. Problem is, I don't think you can do that on a PS3 or 360 directly.

    So yeah. Plug into PC, and then have the PC source the connection to consoles... major pain in the ass.

    Maybe Wireless Broadband using a fixed dish could be a good solution. This is essentially the same as mobile broadband but you are using a fixed dish to get better reception than a dongle inside the house. That said I have heard some pretty bad stories about the lag for mobile broadband as well but this defiantly seems like the best option. I am actually in the same situation, using mobile broadband with a dish, and crossing fingers that the lag would not be that large once I get Xbox Live.

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  • cliffskicliffski Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Isn't satelite internet horrendously expensive still?

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  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    cliffski wrote: »
    Isn't satelite internet horrendously expensive still?

    Compared to other options, yes. Compared to itself years ago, it's way cheaper.

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  • RavenpoeRavenpoe Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Henroid wrote: »
    cliffski wrote: »
    Isn't satelite internet horrendously expensive still?

    Compared to other options, yes. Compared to itself years ago, it's way cheaper.

    Pretty much this. If I went with satellite, I'd need to pay $200 for the equipment (or lease it) and then pay $70 a month for 1.2Mbps/200Kbps with a 300 MB daily limit, though there's an unlimited period between 2am and 7am to schedule large downloads in. All this with a permanent 1800ms ping.

    I'm still looking into options though. I use verizon for my cellphone, but I think AT&T has finally extended their coverage to my area, so I might check into possibilities with a fixed dish mobile connection. I've tried their website, but all I've been able to find so far are laptop cards on limited plans that totally wouldn't work for me (5gigs a month? I go over that on dialup!). Guess I'll be giving them a call.

    Thanks for the suggestions.

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  • AxenAxen My avatar is Excalibur. Yes, the sword.Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    I myself use Verizon wireless now (used to be Alltel). I use my Blackberry for internet. The service costs me about $30 a month on top of my normal phone bill. Since the merger my speeds haven't been as good as before with Alltel. Though I hope that will be ironed out soon. Before with Alltel I would get pings of about 120-200. Sadly, now my ping is about 400-800. :(

    Still, a way better value then satellite. Then again a soup can attached to a piece of string would be too.

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  • darkenedwingdarkenedwing Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    I could play WoW on satellite, but it was kinda bad.
    Where in FL do you live?
    Anywhere around Sebring by any chance?

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  • darkenedwingdarkenedwing Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Also if you go over that 300MB daily limit they cut off your net access 100% for 24 hours, unless they changed it from when I had it.

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  • Signum Ex SonitusSignum Ex Sonitus Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Axen wrote: »
    I myself use Verizon wireless now (used to be Alltel). I use my Blackberry for internet. The service costs me about $30 a month on top of my normal phone bill. Since the merger my speeds haven't been as good as before with Alltel. Though I hope that will be ironed out soon. Before with Alltel I would get pings of about 120-200. Sadly, now my ping is about 400-800. :(

    Still, a way better value then satellite. Then again a soup can attached to a piece of string would be too.

    Yeah, since the switch my regular cell service has gone to shit and Verizon can't explain to me why. Definitely switching carriers soon.

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  • RavenpoeRavenpoe Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Also if you go over that 300MB daily limit they cut off your net access 100% for 24 hours, unless they changed it from when I had it.

    According to the agreement I read, they don't cut you off, they just drastically lower your priority, causing reduced speeds. Your speed goes back up if you reduce your usage for 24 hours (though they don't explain how much you need to reduce it by) and you still have access to the unlimited 'download period' between 2 and 7am.

    And for the person asking where I live, I live in Old Town, a little town in Dixie County in northern Florida. I'm about 50 miles west of Gainesville.

    I wasn't even aware that you could connect a blackberry with a data plan to a computer to siphon off the internet. Obviously I need to bug these providers more.

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  • Shorn Scrotum ManShorn Scrotum Man Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Hell, using a cellphone->USB cable and some creative work with a hex editor I was able to get a wireless connection going with a Verizon phone once. And since the USB was plugged into a powered port, it even charged my phone while I played 8-)

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  • AxenAxen My avatar is Excalibur. Yes, the sword.Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Ravenpoe wrote: »
    I wasn't even aware that you could connect a blackberry with a data plan to a computer to siphon off the internet. Obviously I need to bug these providers more.

    If you have a 3G capable phone then you should be able to get internet through it to your PC. They call it Tethering. However, if you don't have a 3G phone you are probably better off getting one of their USB adapters. You can also buy a specially built router for it as well. Though they are quite pricey. :(

    edit- My current setup is this: Blackberry -> PC -> (Internet Connection Sharing) -> Xbox 360. It works, I mean I can't really play multiplayer on Live, but I can download updates, demos, movies, XBLA games, and so-on.

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  • darkenedwingdarkenedwing Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Ravenpoe wrote: »
    Also if you go over that 300MB daily limit they cut off your net access 100% for 24 hours, unless they changed it from when I had it.

    According to the agreement I read, they don't cut you off, they just drastically lower your priority, causing reduced speeds. Your speed goes back up if you reduce your usage for 24 hours (though they don't explain how much you need to reduce it by) and you still have access to the unlimited 'download period' between 2 and 7am.

    And for the person asking where I live, I live in Old Town, a little town in Dixie County in northern Florida. I'm about 50 miles west of Gainesville.

    I wasn't even aware that you could connect a blackberry with a data plan to a computer to siphon off the internet. Obviously I need to bug these providers more.

    I had satellite for almost 3 years and by drastically lower your priority they mean slowing you down to 16kbps(bits not bytes) at 5000 ping. Web pages are almost impossible to load.
    They reduce it to a speed where you just turn off the computer.

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  • TheStigTheStig Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Hell, using a cellphone->USB cable and some creative work with a hex editor I was able to get a wireless connection going with a Verizon phone once. And since the USB was plugged into a powered port, it even charged my phone while I played 8-)

    Are you MacGyver?

    A friend of mine played FFXI (the mmo) on a satellite connection. He had trouble doing certain things that required fast reactions but for the most part he was fine. That is, however, one of the slower MMOs.

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  • Shorn Scrotum ManShorn Scrotum Man Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Shit, are you kidding? It took me a cable and a hex editor. MacGyver would have used some chewing gum and a paper clip.

    I should add that tethering is the best route as what I did wasn't exactly EULA friendly. And it used minutes, but that's what free nights and weekends are for.

    Man, I'm still sad that phone got crunched and I got stuck with this cheapy :(

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  • RavenpoeRavenpoe Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Shit, are you kidding? It took me a cable and a hex editor. MacGyver would have used some chewing gum and a paper clip.

    I should add that tethering is the best route as what I did wasn't exactly EULA friendly. And it used minutes, but that's what free nights and weekends are for.

    Man, I'm still sad that phone got crunched and I got stuck with this cheapy :(

    Is tethering an AT&T only thing, or does Verizon offer something similar?

    Of course, my verizon contract runs out at the end of this year. Hrm...

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  • AxenAxen My avatar is Excalibur. Yes, the sword.Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Ravenpoe wrote: »
    Shit, are you kidding? It took me a cable and a hex editor. MacGyver would have used some chewing gum and a paper clip.

    I should add that tethering is the best route as what I did wasn't exactly EULA friendly. And it used minutes, but that's what free nights and weekends are for.

    Man, I'm still sad that phone got crunched and I got stuck with this cheapy :(

    Is tethering an AT&T only thing, or does Verizon offer something similar?

    Of course, my verizon contract runs out at the end of this year. Hrm...

    Verizon has it, I think most providers offer it.

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  • Shorn Scrotum ManShorn Scrotum Man Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    I'm not sure AT&T officially supports tethering for the iPhone, but other than that most 3g phones and networks should support it. And judging by a quick glance it does appear that there are ways of getting it working on the iPhone as well :D

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  • RavenpoeRavenpoe Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    So, it looks like the Droid from google/verizon supports tethering (as well as a lot of other stuff), will be available at the same time as my contract renewal-phone upgrade, -and- I can get an unlimited data and messaging plan for just over $30 a month.

    I have no idea what sort of speeds I'd get using 3G tethering as my main internet connection, but it's bound to be faster than dial-up, and more responsive (and cheaper) than satellite.

    I think I may just have to wait and look into this as an option.

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  • ZeonZeon Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Henroid wrote: »
    corky842 wrote: »
    Henroid wrote: »
    Oh, by the way, the Mobile Broadband things would only work on PC's. You can't plug them into a router to get your console gaming on.

    You can share the connection, but it takes a bit of work and requires your computer to be on all the time.

    I actually learned how to do this sort of thing when I went to tech school (surprise, unused knowledge is forgotten).

    The USB connector I have scans the computer to see if it has the connection software and drivers installed. If not, it autoprompts an installer program. You don't actually have to use the program; I found out that going into your Network Connection settings you can connect that way. Problem is, I don't think you can do that on a PS3 or 360 directly.

    So yeah. Plug into PC, and then have the PC source the connection to consoles... major pain in the ass.

    Its actually really easy, just plug the router into your ethernet port, and use the WAN port on the router. Bridge the connections in windows... done.

    There are also plans at most cellphone companies now that are specifically for home internet access, i know rogers has it here in canada as thats what my parents use. Telus has a similar plan. If you have cell signal at your house (You probably do), this is definately the way id go.

    *edit* as for the people talking about tethering mobile phones, that will most likely get your contract cancelled. The USB dongles and a specific plan are definately the way you want to go in this situation if you want reliable access and dont want to jeopardize your cell phone plan.

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