We also tried Thunder Clap with a Consecrate-like talent, but I'm not sure we like that either. At the moment we are thinking of nerfing any of the really passive AEs, including Swipe, Death and Decay, Damage Shield and Consecrate. All of those abilities (well, maybe not Damage Shield) would still be usable, but they would be more situational.
The bottom line is that we think all tanks need to be able to trivially handle the massive adds or straggling adds situations easily, or none of them should be able to.
Am I sad that Spell Reflect can't be used off CD for maximum effect? A little.
Do I still giggle myself stupid when I bounce a Chaos Bolt or some other nasty spell right back at my target: Hell Yes bitches.
In truth, the abilities you seem to lament having are what separate the average player from the skilled player. Honestly, Warriors are my favorite class to tank as because there are very few situations where you don't have a tool at your disposal to fix the problem.
I'm probably going to get hurt for saying this but I vote none, so bored of AOE being the solution to all life's problems, coordinating pulls and using CC was more fun to me back when we needed to do that.
Rude Interruption is quite possibly the most ingenious talent I've seen to date.
Yeah, I was going to come in here and post how brilliant that talent is. I love it. It would be neat to have more talents that give a personal benefit to interrupting. I hope this talent makes it to retail.
Even though the EJ cookie cutter spec will probably end up passing on it.
We also tried Thunder Clap with a Consecrate-like talent, but I'm not sure we like that either. At the moment we are thinking of nerfing any of the really passive AEs, including Swipe, Death and Decay, Damage Shield and Consecrate. All of those abilities (well, maybe not Damage Shield) would still be usable, but they would be more situational.
The bottom line is that we think all tanks need to be able to trivially handle the massive adds or straggling adds situations easily, or none of them should be able to.
Can I vote all?
Yeah, I'm voting all.
We really don't need to deal with 90% of tanks not being able to hold aggro on big groups.
I'm probably going to get hurt for saying this but I vote none, so bored of AOE being the solution to all life's problems, coordinating pulls and using CC was more fun to me back when we needed to do that.
That'd be fine, but that's not how they operate. There will be plenty of trash, except now it will just take longer. And it still won't be fun after the 20th time.
I'm probably going to get hurt for saying this but I vote none, so bored of AOE being the solution to all life's problems, coordinating pulls and using CC was more fun to me back when we needed to do that.
Please don't hurt me everyone.
If every tank can easily deal with lots of adds, then I think the natural result is that those will be de-emphasized, not to mention Blizzard has actually stated that intent.
It just means when that occasional situation arises, it won't be a huge deal.
I'm probably going to get hurt for saying this but I vote none, so bored of AOE being the solution to all life's problems, coordinating pulls and using CC was more fun to me back when we needed to do that.
Please don't hurt me everyone.
If every tank can easily deal with lots of adds, then I think the natural result is that those will be de-emphasized, not to mention Blizzard has actually stated that intent.
It just means when that occasional situation arises, it won't be a huge deal.
Exactly. Blizzard seems to have a design disconnect between what the class designers envision and what the instance designers actually create.
This has been the case all the way back to the "no more fears in raids" or "no more resist fights" days.
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edited July 2010
I can't find the exact wording, but basically what it does is make some of your abilities ignore armor for x seconds.
edit: Found it right after posting this.
Colossus Smash
Melee Range
30 Rage
20 sec cooldown
Instant cast
Requires Melee Weapon
Smashes a target for weapon damage plus 0 and weakens their defenses, allowing your Mortal Strike, Heroic Strike, Bloodthirst and Overpower
to bypass their armor for 6 sec sec.
Colossus Smash *New* Battle / Berserker Stance - Smashes a target for weapon damage plus 120 and weakens their defenses, allowing your Mortal Strike, Heroic Strike, Bloodthirst and Overpower<br>to bypass their armor for 6 sec sec. / 30 Rage, 5 yd range, Instant, 20 sec cooldown
# Colossus Smash *New* Battle / Berserker Stance - Smashes a target for weapon damage plus 120 and weakens their defenses, allowing your Mortal Strike, Heroic Strike, Bloodthirst and Overpower to bypass their armor for 6 sec sec. / 30 Rage, 5 yd range, Instant, 20 sec cooldown.
Sudden Death (Arms talent) now gives you a 5%/10% chance per melee hit to reset the cooldown on Colossus Smash, instead of allowing you to Execute at any time like it does now.
Got titans grip on my fury warrior finally, the DPS jump is just crazy. Even with the trheat reduction from imp berserker, I now have to spend braintime managing my cooldowns so I dont steal aggro from the lolbad DK tanks. And this is with green 2handers from the first BC area. Cant wait till I get a decent blue or 2 from the randoms in hellfire ramparts.
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edited July 2010
Don't forget that you can get the stance mastery talent for 25 / 50 rage retained when stance dancing. So a stance dancing arms warrior could be DANGEROUS or whatever.
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edited July 2010
I have an idea of using blood and thunder as aoe power in an arms spec
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kaleeditySometimes science is more art than scienceRegistered Userregular
edited August 2010
old level 60 warrior in black wing lair gear with ashkandi autoswinging on a heavy armored holy paladin with old stacking deathwish and 25% enrage active: ~1300-1400 crits before deep wounds
new level 60 warrior in exactly the same gear (only needs up to wrecking crew in arms, no fury tree necessary) hitting an equivalent target with overpower during inner rage, colossus smash, and lambs to the slaughter: ~3700 crits before deep wounds
whee
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reVerseAttack and Dethrone GodRegistered Userregular
edited August 2010
That's a strangely specific test to carry out.
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edited August 2010
that would be something I didn't check
though I really don't care about specifically being 60, I really was looking at what is available when you're capped, the talent thing is a coincidence not a requirement.
Swinging by to espouse the truth of the thread title. Spell reflect is more fun than should be allowed in 5-mans. Got my warrior up to 72 and even with mostly crafted tanking gear, I feel kind of awesome charging all over and cleaving, shield slamming, and generally just slapping the shit out of things.
No more awesome Thunderstruck, and no more Damage Shield.
I think I wanna cry...
edit: On closer inspection, I'm not sure what to make of the new Thunderstruck.
Improves the damage of your Cleave and Thunder Clap by 3/6%. In addition, your Thunder Clap improves the damage of your next Shockwave by 5/10%. Stacks up to 3 times.
So, in theory, this is how it flows. You have SW on a 30s cooldown, and TC on 6. So you'd hit TC every time it's up, taking about ~20 seconds to build up the 3 stack, then hit Shockwave and repeat. The starting off point would be variable (do you hit TC once and SW for 10%, or TC 3 times before SW, or hit SW first to put it on cooldown first), but that's the general idea I think.
It doesn't seem that bad, but you're essentially making warriors hit TC every time it's up. Which a lot do anyways, but either way. At this point, you might as well go back and make the TC debuff 10 seconds, since we're going to be hitting it anyways. Guess we'll just have to see how it plays out.
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Can I vote all?
Yeah, I'm voting all.
Lol, you're right about that. Giving a benefit to people who interrupt spells is awesome.
inb4 "MOTHERFUCKING OTHER FURY WARRIOR WITH BETTER PING THAN ME IS GIMPING MY DPS BY INTERRUPTING EVERY SPELL BEFORE I CAN."
Do I still giggle myself stupid when I bounce a Chaos Bolt or some other nasty spell right back at my target: Hell Yes bitches.
In truth, the abilities you seem to lament having are what separate the average player from the skilled player. Honestly, Warriors are my favorite class to tank as because there are very few situations where you don't have a tool at your disposal to fix the problem.
Please don't hurt me everyone.
Even though the EJ cookie cutter spec will probably end up passing on it.
Also the picture for this talent is a chick, just sayin'.
I'd be totally cool if heroics had less trash than the normal version but every pack was interesting.
If every tank can easily deal with lots of adds, then I think the natural result is that those will be de-emphasized, not to mention Blizzard has actually stated that intent.
It just means when that occasional situation arises, it won't be a huge deal.
This has been the case all the way back to the "no more fears in raids" or "no more resist fights" days.
Anyone know?
edit: Found it right after posting this.
Colossus Smash
Melee Range
30 Rage
20 sec cooldown
Instant cast
Requires Melee Weapon
Smashes a target for weapon damage plus 0 and weakens their defenses, allowing your Mortal Strike, Heroic Strike, Bloodthirst and Overpower
to bypass their armor for 6 sec sec.
Sudden Death (Arms talent) now gives you a 5%/10% chance per melee hit to reset the cooldown on Colossus Smash, instead of allowing you to Execute at any time like it does now.
edit: super beat
Thanks for clearing that up.
new level 60 warrior in exactly the same gear (only needs up to wrecking crew in arms, no fury tree necessary) hitting an equivalent target with overpower during inner rage, colossus smash, and lambs to the slaughter: ~3700 crits before deep wounds
whee
they lowered the level requirement on inner rage?
though I really don't care about specifically being 60, I really was looking at what is available when you're capped, the talent thing is a coincidence not a requirement.
Rend
Blizzard what have you doooooooonnne
Anybody know if those things fire that off in normal?
Hasn't arms been using rend for most of Wrath?
Arms was decent for me in Ulduar. I also found it more engaging than fury at the time.
This is how I'll spec if the tree doesn't change again (lol right) I think.
I think I wanna cry...
edit: On closer inspection, I'm not sure what to make of the new Thunderstruck.
So, in theory, this is how it flows. You have SW on a 30s cooldown, and TC on 6. So you'd hit TC every time it's up, taking about ~20 seconds to build up the 3 stack, then hit Shockwave and repeat. The starting off point would be variable (do you hit TC once and SW for 10%, or TC 3 times before SW, or hit SW first to put it on cooldown first), but that's the general idea I think.
It doesn't seem that bad, but you're essentially making warriors hit TC every time it's up. Which a lot do anyways, but either way. At this point, you might as well go back and make the TC debuff 10 seconds, since we're going to be hitting it anyways. Guess we'll just have to see how it plays out.