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So...Email Clients?
Darth Nathan
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There seems to be a distinct lack of decent email clients, both on Windows and Linux. Yeah yeah, Thunderbird, but support for Hotmail in Thunderbird is terrible, and that's what I use. I ain't switching email addresses after giving it out for around 10 years.
Anyway, I've been using Postbox, which is absolutely fantastic, but now that it's gone gold I have to pay for it. I will probably end up doing so, but speaking from the vast experiences of PA folk, are there any really good free clients? Primarily Windows, I don't use the Linux box all that much.
Anyway, I've been using Postbox, which is absolutely fantastic, but now that it's gone gold I have to pay for it. I will probably end up doing so, but speaking from the vast experiences of PA folk, are there any really good free clients? Primarily Windows, I don't use the Linux box all that much.
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I gave up on Mail.app long ago. I just use Fluid now for Google Mail and couldn't be happier.
In the cases of Mail.app et. al it's mostly for offline access. Especially in OS X there is tight software integration, so things like iCal and iPhoto will work in special ways with Mail.app that others just won't do.
I use Fluid for Google Mail simply to keep my programs separated: if I quit Safari, I don't dump out of something important I was doing in my email. It also helps to organize my app launcher.
It should be pointed out a browser-based client can do this as well. Check "Remember Me" or whatever, the log in problem is solved. Set up all your other accounts to forward to the appropriate address and then set up your browser-based client to send email from said addresses -- now you've got all that functionality everywhere you go.
EDIT: I guess I didn't talk about speed at all. Personally I've found Mail.app to be sluggish compared to Google Mail, that might also be a factor of not having much use for its power features.
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As for speed, I'm just talking about how long it takes to get to the mail (though the rest is pretty much the same speed as the browser-based version, with Thunderbird). Win+2 and I'm at my inbox in half a second.
This does depend on the computer though, largely. If I'm on my dad's old laptop, then yeah, the browser method is way faster.
I use a handy app launcher, so Cmd+Space then 'M' and Return and I'm off. Very handy for moving quickly.
I think Gmail forced Microsoft and Yahoo to unshit their mail clients. I do have a live.com and yahoo.com account but I almost never have to log into them but their clients certainly seem up to snuff.
Right now, my gmail account pulls from a couple of other email addresses, but it's set to do so every hour. Is there a way to tell it check more often? Preferably in the 10 minute range.
Set up your other addresses to forward to Gmail, rather than have Gmail poll them for new content. That way when you receive mail at address X, it'll automatically forward it to Gmail and show up (almost) immediately. I use Gmails labels to help sort out a few different addresses.
Outlook: I was never able to get Gmail and Google Calendar (2 way sync required) integrated nicely into Outlook, so I dumped it. Plus it once just randomly ate about a year's worth of work email that I wasn't ever able to recover.
Postbox: Goddamn was I pissed when I came to the conclusion that they're apparently just trying to sell me a $40 skin for Thunderbird. All the dialogs (preferences, add account, etc) is Tbird to a "T." The folder-structure for user-data is 100% Thunderbird's. Apparently it's a fork or branch of Thunderbird that these guys have worked on. That's the only conclusion I can come up with. Long story short: fuck that, especially for $40.
Thunderbird: I'm on Thunderbird mostly because it's where all of my email currently is, and there are extensions that let me sync my calendars without doing anything special. I'm currently running the Shredder 3.0 pre-release versions, just for the fun of it.
I would probably move to Gmail for all of my mailing needs if
I mean the download Live mail client. It's really easy to manage multiple accounts using it. I've only ever used browser clients, Outlook, Outlook Express. The Live one is by far the easiest.
But really, I use the gmail interface 99.9% of the time. The only reason I have a dedicated client set up is for offline use(though google gears is even mitigating that), and for the times when the gmail interface, but not imap access, goes down.
I tried to make the GMail switch earlier this year. Gave up after a bit because... well I just didn't like it. So I went back, and now GMail downloads all of my accounts and TB downloads my GMail and shows it to me. Stupid and convoluted, but it works... usually.
I don't use Hotmail. Whats the problem with Hotmail in TB anyway?
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YES. I know exactly what you mean.
I'm a little curious about this myself -- I understand having been frustrated with it back when you had to set up third-party programs or extensions to get Hotmail working in TB (or most other desktop clients, really), but it's a standard setup now...?
Answering the question: I use Claws on Linux. Used to use Evolution, but it started eating emails, so it kind of had to go after that.
For Linux, I'm not too sure - I would try Thunderbird again, I do know that Hotmail/Live is finally freely accessible through pop3, because I just added it to Gmail so all my emails would be forwarded and I could have them in one place.
That's got it, thanks. Not sure why I never thought about doing it that way.
It's so damn easy to set up that average non-techie people can actually use it compared to Thunderbird. The clean interface, all the various settings, & built in RSS reader. The fact that it also works with MS's back up tools is a plus after I discovered at Thunder Bird does not. That about 6 months worth of emails I won't be seeing again.
Personally I use Outlook 2007 to managed all my email accounts. Everything together in once place as well as my Calender and RSS if needed. Previous versions were a bit clunky but 2007 is just great.
I use Hotmail for my personal accounts, I've tried Gmail a few times but I just did not like it. Combine that with Office Live, Sky Drive, Live Mesh, & the soon to be released free web versions of Office. MS is creating an amazing little ecosystem here that I will take over Google in a heart beat. When Live Mesh is able to sync with Sky Drive I will be in heaven as I will no longer need my flash drive for most everything.
As for online vs offline clients, I really like having a desktop app that I can have sitting there grabbing my mail. I've used the web interface for Hotmail in Gears before, and that just got irritating. Plus, my internet service isn't the greatest, and it takes less bandwidth to just send me my mail rather than having to load the web interface.
You could always use IMAP if your e-mail provider supports it. The mail stays stored on the server, the client can cache it, and you only need to retrieve new mail after it's synced up with the server. This has the benefit of letting you use your desktop client when you're at home but still be able to check your mail with the web app when you're not.
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Hence me mentioning that there's still a few features missing.
Also, call me ignorant, but I'm pretty sure I can use the POP Hotmail service to grab email into an external app, and still use the web interface when I'm using another computer. At least, that's what I've been doing, and it seems to work fine. Why do you need IMAP for that?
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Ah, I see. Well, I only use the web interface when I'm REALLY in a bind and absolutely have to see my email right now, so proper synching really isn't an issue, as long as the email itself is still there, I don't mind.
Also, I've been using Thunderbird 3 beta 4 for a few days now. I know it's a beta, but It's still terrible. It just feels like it lacks cohesion, mainly in the UI. Nothing works out of the box the way you'd expect. Definitely not impressed.
I'd be looking at a few different e-mail accounts, how many does it handle? Live, GMail, Yahoo, and 2 other accounts for my hosted websites. Or would I be better off with Thunderbird? Don't want to hijack the thread, but reading through it made me think of it.
Live mail is basically Outlook Express rebranded. So yes, it plays nice with Outlook.
If you're looking for a really bare bones email client that just does what you need it to, Live mail is pretty good. In your case as a secondary, personal inbox, I'd recommend it.
Simply set the MS email clients to leave a copy on the server. They do not get deleted until I manually delete them in my client.
What does IMAP have to do with using Live Mail?