Apparently the RL from my old Raiding Guild (long story involving major dickery) is trying to by Primordial Saronite at 1k a piece. Apparently being the RL of the #1 Guild on a low pop server entitles you to something.
Its times like these I feel the urge to transfer to Lightninghoof, faction change, and join Reckoning and laugh as I farm content that they still can't even down.
'Course then I remember that it would cost me $50 Dollars and force me to play Alliance. Loses some appeal at that point.
Yeah, primordial saronite is going to be an interesting market.
What's the weekly drop rate right now for badges?
5 from the raid daily
14 from random heroic
24 over 8 bosses in ICC?
39 badges/week.
Next wing will add 3 bosses for 57/week?
Next wing will add 2 bosses for 69/week?
Next wing will add 2 bosses for 81/week?
Lich King would be ~ 84/week total?
Yeah, there's going to be a lot of people hawking primordial saronite in a few months once they finish their 4pc. I hope that happens before the quest chains open up for for the axe so I can stockpile/buy them cheaper before every melee DPS figures out they can get a Shadow's edge for 25 primordial saronite and a few easy quests.
ICC bosses only drop 2 emblems. 35 is the max right now.
Also, I don't know how you got 39 from:
5 from the raid daily
14 from random heroic
24 over 8 bosses in ICC?
When Toravon is added for arena season 8, that will be 4 more frosts per week.
I probably wouldn't do it with frost, but I turned a couple of triumphs into conquest before the patch.
Well, this was fine if you had hit the point where triumph emblems no longer did much for you. It's going to be months before even the biggest poopsockers have nothing to do with frost emblems, let alone the "average players" who won't be full clearing ICC10 and ICC25 every week.
Even once there's no gear to buy with frost emblems, they'll still likely be more valuable when converted to primordial saronite than turning them into triumphs for... well, shit. By the time you have no frost emblem upgrades, what are you going to need any other emblems for other than gems?
It's not an issue of having nothing else available via frost emblem, it's an issue of never getting to the point where you'd use the frost emblems. If I go for the cloak, the cheapest thing I'd purchase, I probably won't have enough emblems in less than a month. The real treasure to be had in the frost emblems would be a 2-piece set bonus, which might take me upwards of 4 months. I still don't plan on downgrading them, because I seem to remember a precedent of upgrading badge/emblem rewards with newer and/or cheaper items.
How would you never get to the point where you'd use frost emblems unless you simply don't do a random heroic dungeon or attempt the weekly raid quest? But if that's the case, where are you getting triumphs?
And 2T10 in four months would still beat getting some triumph vendor crap a day earlier.
How would you never get to the point where you'd use frost emblems unless you simply don't do a random heroic dungeon or attempt the weekly raid quest? But if that's the case, where are you getting triumphs?
And 2T10 in four months would still beat getting some triumph vendor crap a day earlier.
Easy, by not raiding, and by not logging on every single day to do a heroic, because I try(and often fail) to limit by WoW playtime. The triumphs come from running three heroics in one day and getting 5 times as many as frost, and by having more triumph items, many of which have a much lower cost.
I'm not advocating downgrading frost emblems so much as complaining about the high cost of frost emblem items. And if it gets to the point where I have 50 frost emblems, not enough to spend on something I want, and it's a month away from Cataclysm, I'll have a decent reason to dump those for triumph and maybe complete Tier 9.
How would you never get to the point where you'd use frost emblems unless you simply don't do a random heroic dungeon or attempt the weekly raid quest? But if that's the case, where are you getting triumphs?
And 2T10 in four months would still beat getting some triumph vendor crap a day earlier.
I'm not in an ICC guild, so let's figure I run the daily heroic and the weekly raid every day, every week. (That's likely stretching it, but we'll go with it.) That's 19 a week. I'll get the sigil in one week, and then after that it's roughly a month, minimum, before I can buy other stuff.
I didn't blow 'em up, because I'm somewhat close to the sigil, but considering how terribly undergeared I am for this point in the game, I don't think it's as cut and dried as you're making it out to be.
I didn't blow 'em up, because I'm somewhat close to the sigil, but considering how terribly undergeared I am for this point in the game, I don't think it's as cut and dried as you're making it out to be.
It really is. What content are you doing for which you would desperately need a triumph vendor item 2-3 hours of gameplay earlier?
How would you never get to the point where you'd use frost emblems unless you simply don't do a random heroic dungeon or attempt the weekly raid quest? But if that's the case, where are you getting triumphs?
And 2T10 in four months would still beat getting some triumph vendor crap a day earlier.
I'm not in an ICC guild, so let's figure I run the daily heroic and the weekly raid every day, every week. (That's likely stretching it, but we'll go with it.) That's 19 a week. I'll get the sigil in one week, and then after that it's roughly a month, minimum, before I can buy other stuff.
I didn't blow 'em up, because I'm somewhat close to the sigil, but considering how terribly undergeared I am for this point in the game, I don't think it's as cut and dried as you're making it out to be.
If you're not in a ICC guild then I wouldn't be concerned about grabbing the [Sigil of the Hanged Man]. Maintaining a full stack of its buff on anything outside of non-movement raid bosses is next to impossible. I'd go with the [Sigil of Virulence].
The number itself isn't important, the fact that there is a number is. This was really evident with swipe when the mobs were pathing in weird ways.
Numbers over each mob, or a count of every mob that's hit. Seems like half dozen of one and six of the other to me.
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Dhalphirdon't you open that trapdooryou're a fool if you dareRegistered Userregular
edited December 2009
No, its not. You're completely missing the point. The point is not needing to know how much damage was done, just that damage was done. Most of the AOE effects in the game don't give an immediately visible notification that you've actually hit something with them, or if they do, it takes a second or two to notice, and in that time the mob can be behind you already heading for a healer.
Quite often when tanking on my warrior, I'd hit thunderclap and miss just one mob, and quickly target it and slap it with a taunt and a shield slam. I only noticed that i'd missed it because of the lack of damage numbers appearing above its head.
Its a personal preference thing, but it is certainly not the same thing as totalling the numbers up.
I'm still using Sigil of Awareness. Are the newer ones worth it yet? The Triumph one was still inferior, last I checked. I'm Frost Dual Wield.
I haven't read much on recent Frost DW DPS, but before ICC at least, Awareness was superior for single-target, and Virulence was superior for AoE. So just make a macro and switch between them.
I did hear something about Virulence outscaling Awareness with the new gear, but don't quote me on that.
I'm still using Sigil of Awareness. Are the newer ones worth it yet? The Triumph one was still inferior, last I checked. I'm Frost Dual Wield.
Awareness and Virulence (Triumph) are about even now, with Virulence providing *slighty* more DPS on average. Hanged Man (Frost) really isn't worth it, as it provides a stacking buff. There aren't a lot of non-movement based fights where you that last long enough for you to get full stacks of the buff and keep them to a point where the Sigil actually becomes a DPS upgrade.
Long story short, you can stick with Awareness if you've got it, go with Virulence if you don't.
I haven't seen any solid numbers on the tanking sigils, but I've never been a fan of tanking buffs. Look at the new ICC 5 mans, especially Pit of Saron. Every single boss in PoS will be out of tanking range at some point or another.
Is the Frost Emblem Tank Sigil good? (Bone Gryphon or whatever it's called)
It seems like as a tank, the stacking nature of it would be less annoying.
The thing is, it's a whopping 20 extra dodge once you are fully stacked which is .. pathetic for the cost.
It's worse by a noticeable amount.
Sigil of Insolence has a very high proc rate and a huge up time.
Sigil of the Bone Gryphon has a considerable ramp-up time and only beats out Insolence at its maximum number of stacks, and by a mere 20 Dodge Rating. If that wasn't enough, it has a very good chance of dropping the stacks before even reaching that point, due to fight mechanics and Chill of the Throne.
I did read something about Frost DW getting two stacks per Rune Strike, due to the way the Sigil works, which might make it suck a bit less.
I recommend saving your Emblems of Frost for something else. Hopefully Blizzard will buff the Sigil, but I'm not holding my breath.
In general across all four relic-using classes, the 264 relics will be about the last things most specs will want to spend their emblems on, assuming they ever even bother getting them in the first place. There are a handful of exceptions for specs that can keep the stack up reliably when encounter/spec mechanics make that difficult for others. Resto druids, for example, can easily keep a rejuv running on someone at almost all times to keep the stack up. But like with all the 264 relics, the maxed out stack is only about 20 more stat points than the 245s, so there's really no hurry to blow emblems on those things.
I think bear druids might be another exception as their 245 relic isn't that good for them (I think they actually use the 226 one over it).
Yeah, unfortunately 4T10 is a long way out for most of us. And trying to get upgrades/sidegrades piecemeal can be a real clusterfuck as far as breaking previous set bonuses/accuracy ratings goes.
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OtakuD00DCan I hit the exploding rocks?San DiegoRegistered Userregular
edited December 2009
Might as well get the T10 pieces, considering that to get the 25 man versions, you need the 10man pieces.
I would assume that he's talking about stacking additional damage mitigation by duel wielding two tanking weapons. But I could be wrong. I like DWing slower damage weapons while tanking myself for greater threat gen (something that's kind of an issue in random 5 mans where you don't have a whole lot of communication).
I would assume that he's talking about stacking additional damage mitigation by duel wielding two tanking weapons. But I could be wrong. I like DWing slower damage weapons while tanking myself for greater threat gen (something that's kind of an issue in random 5 mans where you don't have a whole lot of communication).
He said 2H frost tanking, so that can't be it.
Anyhoo, I've gotten a whole slew of upgrades recently (including the axe I really wanted), but now I have close to 100 frost emblems and a trophy. What should I get with them? I was thinking of getting the T10 helmet, since there aren't any tanking helmets that drop in ICC 10, and getting the T9.245 shoulders with my trophy. Thoughts?
The way EJ is working out it seems like most hardcore raiders have since abandoned Blood in lieu of Unholy.
There's so little testing and refinement going on with Blood specs/rotations/stat weights that it feels like the spec if kinda dying on the vine. Maybe it'll get better when more of ICC gets opened and we have access to more loot.
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Its times like these I feel the urge to transfer to Lightninghoof, faction change, and join Reckoning and laugh as I farm content that they still can't even down.
'Course then I remember that it would cost me $50 Dollars and force me to play Alliance. Loses some appeal at that point.
Also, I don't know how you got 39 from:
5 from the raid daily
14 from random heroic
24 over 8 bosses in ICC?
When Toravon is added for arena season 8, that will be 4 more frosts per week.
It's not an issue of having nothing else available via frost emblem, it's an issue of never getting to the point where you'd use the frost emblems. If I go for the cloak, the cheapest thing I'd purchase, I probably won't have enough emblems in less than a month. The real treasure to be had in the frost emblems would be a 2-piece set bonus, which might take me upwards of 4 months. I still don't plan on downgrading them, because I seem to remember a precedent of upgrading badge/emblem rewards with newer and/or cheaper items.
And 2T10 in four months would still beat getting some triumph vendor crap a day earlier.
Shit, how am I going to get my badges over Christmas?!
Easy, by not raiding, and by not logging on every single day to do a heroic, because I try(and often fail) to limit by WoW playtime. The triumphs come from running three heroics in one day and getting 5 times as many as frost, and by having more triumph items, many of which have a much lower cost.
I'm not advocating downgrading frost emblems so much as complaining about the high cost of frost emblem items. And if it gets to the point where I have 50 frost emblems, not enough to spend on something I want, and it's a month away from Cataclysm, I'll have a decent reason to dump those for triumph and maybe complete Tier 9.
I'm not in an ICC guild, so let's figure I run the daily heroic and the weekly raid every day, every week. (That's likely stretching it, but we'll go with it.) That's 19 a week. I'll get the sigil in one week, and then after that it's roughly a month, minimum, before I can buy other stuff.
I didn't blow 'em up, because I'm somewhat close to the sigil, but considering how terribly undergeared I am for this point in the game, I don't think it's as cut and dried as you're making it out to be.
If you're not in a ICC guild then I wouldn't be concerned about grabbing the [Sigil of the Hanged Man]. Maintaining a full stack of its buff on anything outside of non-movement raid bosses is next to impossible. I'd go with the [Sigil of Virulence].
Numbers over each mob, or a count of every mob that's hit. Seems like half dozen of one and six of the other to me.
Quite often when tanking on my warrior, I'd hit thunderclap and miss just one mob, and quickly target it and slap it with a taunt and a shield slam. I only noticed that i'd missed it because of the lack of damage numbers appearing above its head.
Its a personal preference thing, but it is certainly not the same thing as totalling the numbers up.
I haven't read much on recent Frost DW DPS, but before ICC at least, Awareness was superior for single-target, and Virulence was superior for AoE. So just make a macro and switch between them.
I did hear something about Virulence outscaling Awareness with the new gear, but don't quote me on that.
Awareness and Virulence (Triumph) are about even now, with Virulence providing *slighty* more DPS on average. Hanged Man (Frost) really isn't worth it, as it provides a stacking buff. There aren't a lot of non-movement based fights where you that last long enough for you to get full stacks of the buff and keep them to a point where the Sigil actually becomes a DPS upgrade.
Long story short, you can stick with Awareness if you've got it, go with Virulence if you don't.
It seems like as a tank, the stacking nature of it would be less annoying.
The thing is, it's a whopping 20 extra dodge once you are fully stacked which is .. pathetic for the cost.
It's worse by a noticeable amount.
Sigil of Insolence has a very high proc rate and a huge up time.
Sigil of the Bone Gryphon has a considerable ramp-up time and only beats out Insolence at its maximum number of stacks, and by a mere 20 Dodge Rating. If that wasn't enough, it has a very good chance of dropping the stacks before even reaching that point, due to fight mechanics and Chill of the Throne.
I did read something about Frost DW getting two stacks per Rune Strike, due to the way the Sigil works, which might make it suck a bit less.
I recommend saving your Emblems of Frost for something else. Hopefully Blizzard will buff the Sigil, but I'm not holding my breath.
The Cloak?
The Trinket?
Straight to the Tier Set pieces?
Next will be gloves.
I tend to go for the big upgrades.
So cash.
Tier is a pretty meh upgrade unless you're getting tokens considering it's the same ilvl as shit that drops from normal ICC10.
I think bear druids might be another exception as their 245 relic isn't that good for them (I think they actually use the 226 one over it).
That may very well be, but the 4 piece bonus is boss.
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Also they have the highest passive mitigation with imp. FP.
The 2% higher passive DR that's part of the spec isn't really stacking it, either.
He said 2H frost tanking, so that can't be it.
Anyhoo, I've gotten a whole slew of upgrades recently (including the axe I really wanted), but now I have close to 100 frost emblems and a trophy. What should I get with them? I was thinking of getting the T10 helmet, since there aren't any tanking helmets that drop in ICC 10, and getting the T9.245 shoulders with my trophy. Thoughts?
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All ways to stack heavy mitigation.
Still, the cap is 75%, and with the new gear it wont be hard to hit that
There's so little testing and refinement going on with Blood specs/rotations/stat weights that it feels like the spec if kinda dying on the vine. Maybe it'll get better when more of ICC gets opened and we have access to more loot.
Although I am seriously considering dropping Stoneskin gargoyle from my weapon in favour of 4% parry.
567 defence is just...so much.