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The Ultimate BITCHING About Bad Comics Thread

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  • MunchMunch Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Geoff Johns's writing really has no subtlety.

    Munch on
  • ServoServo Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited December 2009
    TexiKen wrote: »
    This is a minor gripe of an overall good issue, but in FF #574:
    Val calls Franklin a retard, and even being his little sister, that's just not funny or cute or anything. Bad Reed and Sue, you raised a Hate-Monger

    i gotta say, where i'm from it's a pretty common thing to say. i'm not saying it's sensitive or anything (i got hardcore bitched out by my 8th grade english teacher for saying it, f'r instance), but my little sisters have definitely called me that.

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  • TexiKenTexiKen Dammit! That fish really got me!Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    I think it's more to do with this little sister here being as smart as Reed, and if she's going to have this super intelligence, I would think she would also have an awareness. She also never treated her brother like he was stupid before or brought attention to it.

    I'm not trying to be a PC Cop on the thing, as everyone her has probably used the Tropic Thunder line, it's more along the lines of "Would the genius daughter of the world's smartest Dad who has never had any real troubles or hardships in life really say that?"

    Also, it just pops up out of nowhere this issue, without being said in other past issues. Hell, thinking about it now I was expecting Millar to have it on every page with Val while she flips off everyone.

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  • Robos A Go GoRobos A Go Go Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Really, it's one of the few indications that she's still a kid that we've seen since she became super-intelligent.

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  • TexiKenTexiKen Dammit! That fish really got me!Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Franklin's the nicest kid in the world, Val's just a bully.

    Val needs to go read the Huntress DC Holiday story from last year.

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  • DarkWarriorDarkWarrior __BANNED USERS regular
    edited December 2009
    What the hells happening in Batman comics lately, we've had one fake Joker and now Jester? Who was that?

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  • Robos A Go GoRobos A Go Go Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    What the hells happening in Batman comics lately, we've had one fake Joker and now Jester? Who was that?

    I was pretty psyched about Arkham Reborn and it lived up to my expectations through the second issue, but the ending of the third issue was just so out of left field that I'm left with a bad taste in my mouth.
    This is assuming, of course, that Jester isn't just a manifestation of Arkham's own insanity. That would be my assumption, but the ending was just too ambiguous for me to confirm that that's what happened with any kind of certainty.

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  • DarkWarriorDarkWarrior __BANNED USERS regular
    edited December 2009
    What the hells happening in Batman comics lately, we've had one fake Joker and now Jester? Who was that?

    I was pretty psyched about Arkham Reborn and it lived up to my expectations through the second issue, but the ending of the third issue was just so out of left field that I'm left with a bad taste in my mouth.
    This is assuming, of course, that Jester isn't just a manifestation of Arkham's own insanity. That would be my assumption, but the ending was just too ambiguous for me to confirm that that's what happened with any kind of certainty.

    I guess looking at it they were pointing at Arkham. Still stupid though, I was looking to see if he had a scar across his cheek but nope.

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  • Robos A Go GoRobos A Go Go Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    What the hells happening in Batman comics lately, we've had one fake Joker and now Jester? Who was that?

    I was pretty psyched about Arkham Reborn and it lived up to my expectations through the second issue, but the ending of the third issue was just so out of left field that I'm left with a bad taste in my mouth.
    This is assuming, of course, that Jester isn't just a manifestation of Arkham's own insanity. That would be my assumption, but the ending was just too ambiguous for me to confirm that that's what happened with any kind of certainty.

    I guess looking at it they were pointing at Arkham. Still stupid though, I was looking to see if he had a scar across his cheek but nope.
    A jester is an obvious choice for an inversion of Arkham's serious and sane persona, but I really think they should have gone in a different direction in order to avoid creating a character who bore any similarity to the Joker. Anyone who borrows characteristics from Batman's archenemy is going to come off as derivative.

    Personally, I think revealing that Arkham's hidden side was Raggedy Man (you'd have to rework the story to accommodate this, of course) would have worked a lot better. Unlike Joker, Raggedy Man is actually present in the story and has a relationship with Arkham that, among other things, stresses the dichotomy between the head psychiatrist and his subject. There's also the subplot of Arkham searching for Raggedy Man, which would take on a double meaning with the altered ending.

    Given all that, revealing that Arkham and Raggedy Man were the same would have had an impact that was noticeably absent from the actual ending.

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  • DarkWarriorDarkWarrior __BANNED USERS regular
    edited December 2009
    What the hells happening in Batman comics lately, we've had one fake Joker and now Jester? Who was that?

    I was pretty psyched about Arkham Reborn and it lived up to my expectations through the second issue, but the ending of the third issue was just so out of left field that I'm left with a bad taste in my mouth.
    This is assuming, of course, that Jester isn't just a manifestation of Arkham's own insanity. That would be my assumption, but the ending was just too ambiguous for me to confirm that that's what happened with any kind of certainty.

    I guess looking at it they were pointing at Arkham. Still stupid though, I was looking to see if he had a scar across his cheek but nope.
    A jester is an obvious choice for an inversion of Arkham's serious and sane persona, but I really think they should have gone in a different direction in order to avoid creating a character who bore any similarity to the Joker. Anyone who borrows characteristics from Batman's archenemy is going to come off as derivative.

    Personally, I think revealing that Arkham's hidden side was Raggedy Man (you'd have to rework the story to accommodate this, of course) would have worked a lot better. Unlike Joker, Raggedy Man is actually present in the story and has a relationship with Arkham that, among other things, stresses the dichotomy between the head psychiatrist and his subject. There's also the subplot of Arkham searching for Raggedy Man, which would take on a double meaning with the altered ending.

    Given all that, revealing that Arkham and Raggedy Man were the same would have had an impact that was noticeably absent from the actual ending.

    Thats not a bad idea, like you said its just derivative using Joker like his presence alone makes something good. Disappointed with how it turned out and Synner?
    My first lay didn't want to lay me anymore so I killed everyone, wah, wah, wah, now Im gonna kill ltos of other people

    Booooooring.

    Sirens wasn't that good either, liked the concept but only Harleys story had any meat to it.

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  • McClyMcCly Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    I liked Ivy's story also, but probably because of tits.

    and it seemed like Dick and Selina were totally going to bone.

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  • HadjiQuestHadjiQuest Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    The second volume of Mark Waid's Irredeemable, from what I can gather, is $17 for 4 issues. That shit is just ridiculous. It actually is more expensive than buying singles.

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  • Garlic BreadGarlic Bread i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a Registered User, Disagreeable regular
    edited December 2009
    That is pretty ridiculous, since it's less pages than the first trade. Maybe they're recouping the costs from Vol 1 being $10

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  • sportzboytjwsportzboytjw squeeeeeezzeeee some more tax breaks outRegistered User regular
    edited December 2009
    That is also funny because the series is good, but not great, so it's not even like, say, Iron Fist being priced too high or something. Is that the price of that HC or SC?

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  • Garlic BreadGarlic Bread i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a Registered User, Disagreeable regular
    edited December 2009
    Softcover. I like Irredeemable a lot (and Incorruptible) but it was really hyped up (mostly by readers) for me. It's still good, though

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  • HadjiQuestHadjiQuest Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    That is also funny because the series is good, but not great, so it's not even like, say, Iron Fist being priced too high or something. Is that the price of that HC or SC?

    Softcover

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  • HenslerHensler Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Irredeemable is a good book and a great concept, but it doesn't have any strong supporting characters. Yeah, Superman has lost his mind, but the Justice League that needs to step up and stop him is too boring to care about.

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  • HadjiQuestHadjiQuest Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    I think it would've been much better if it were a limited series. Although, maybe Waid intends to end it at a specific issue and has it all mapped out up until then.

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  • LucascraftLucascraft Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Its pretty awesome that the Battle for the Shield or whatever they called it came out before Cap Reborn has even concluded. Someone at Marvel really screwed the pooch for scheduling releases. I mean, Steve has shown up in like 5 or 6 issues now, but he technically isn't even alive yet. His body is reanimated but its possessed by Red. And now we're already getting the Marvel version of BFtC before Reborn #6 is released.

    Seriously. Just leave Steve dead and Bucky as Cap. It was working. You don't need to synchronize your comic with the movie that's coming out. Really.

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  • wirehead26wirehead26 Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Lucascraft wrote: »
    Its pretty awesome that the Battle for the Shield or whatever they called it came out before Cap Reborn has even concluded. Someone at Marvel really screwed the pooch for scheduling releases. I mean, Steve has shown up in like 5 or 6 issues now, but he technically isn't even alive yet. His body is reanimated but its possessed by Red. And now we're already getting the Marvel version of BFtC before Reborn #6 is released.

    Seriously. Just leave Steve dead and Bucky as Cap. It was working. You don't need to synchronize your comic with the movie that's coming out. Really.

    We were discussing/arguing about the topic of who should be Cap at my LCS and surprisingly most of them wanted Steve to retake the mantel. When I mentioned the overwhelming support of the online community to keep Bucky Cap the owner and some others made a pretty good argument debunking that opinion.

    BTW Lucas, Brubaker had planned all along to bring Steve back, infact he wanted to bring him back at issue 30 but Marvel convinced him to keep Steve dead till around 2 years.

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  • Robos A Go GoRobos A Go Go Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    How do you debunk an opinion?

    Anyway, as much as people complain about how events never have a lasting impact, I think the majority of comic fans prefer the status quo.

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  • TexiKenTexiKen Dammit! That fish really got me!Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    How do you debunk an opinion?

    Anyway, as much as people complain about how events never have a lasting impact, I think the majority of comic fans prefer the status quo.

    Comic publishers need to realize that when you stumble across something that the fans like (if they are playing with placeholder things for a year or two), change your plans so that it stays. Like Hawkeye and Karla. Or Bucky Cap. Or Hulk in Space.

    DC had 20 years of Wally being preferred, and they still screwed it up by bringing Barry back and then sidelining every other Flash for the time being all for the Alex Ross' of the industry. And of course, One More Day speaks for itself in complete head-up-your-ass-politician-style of just ignoring everything people want. When people at an X-Men panel at a convention (the people who love comics so much they go to see the creators, and not faceless internet posters) spend most of the allotted time telling Quesada to not break up the Spider-Marriage, and you still go through with it with such a shit story, everyone loses.

    I think comic fans are much more receptive to change when you do it and you stick with it with a decent story. As much as I didn't want Bucky to come back to begin with (a "sacred" death), they stuck with it, told some good stories, and now I want the commie SOB to stay as Cap, even if he stole Matt Murdock's true love from him by editorial decision.

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  • KVWKVW Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    TexiKen wrote: »
    How do you debunk an opinion?

    Anyway, as much as people complain about how events never have a lasting impact, I think the majority of comic fans prefer the status quo.

    Comic publishers need to realize that when you stumble across something that the fans like (if they are playing with placeholder things for a year or two), change your plans so that it stays. Like Hawkeye and Karla. Or Bucky Cap. Or Hulk in Space.

    No. Fans are dumb. Do not pander to fans. Creators should tell their own stories. Nothing good ever comes from pandering.

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  • LucascraftLucascraft Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    wirehead26 wrote: »
    BTW Lucas, Brubaker had planned all along to bring Steve back, infact he wanted to bring him back at issue 30 but Marvel convinced him to keep Steve dead till around 2 years.

    I was mostly just bitching about how poorly the whole thing has been handled. Steve Rogers was showing up left and right in other comics as much as 3 issues before he even comes back. That's half the story arc. In a 6 issue mini, having him showing up alive 3 issues early is just downright inexcusable. Not to mention the fact that the Who Will Wear the Shield thing came out before Reborn 6.

    Yes, I want Bucky to stay as Cap, but that's not even the biggest issue here. The issue is how poorly the whole thing is being handled.

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  • TexiKenTexiKen Dammit! That fish really got me!Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    KVW wrote: »
    TexiKen wrote: »
    How do you debunk an opinion?

    Anyway, as much as people complain about how events never have a lasting impact, I think the majority of comic fans prefer the status quo.

    Comic publishers need to realize that when you stumble across something that the fans like (if they are playing with placeholder things for a year or two), change your plans so that it stays. Like Hawkeye and Karla. Or Bucky Cap. Or Hulk in Space.

    No. Fans are dumb. Do not pander to fans. Creators should tell their own stories. Nothing good ever comes from pandering.

    I'm not advocating Marvel vs. DC team ups or Wolverine with machine gun claws, but rather when something you don't expect to make a big deal actually does stick, go with it a bit. Marvel had another year to use Bucky Cap without throwing Steve back into the world (because the movie comes out in 2011), so use that, and maybe if you told Bryan Hitch to draw the book now it would be ready on time in a year waka waka.

    The Death of Superman and DC milking it a bit more gave us two good characters, Superboy and Steel and a good story (and don't go getting all skeptic 90's person on me people, Reign of the Supermen was a good story).

    Or New X-Men being good and then completely fucking it up with Young X-Men and then New Mutants. Creators should NOT tell those stories, because they are bad.

    They don't have to go all Deadpool on us and drop 9 books in one month, but legacy ain't nothin' wrong to do with, ya hear?

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  • Garlic BreadGarlic Bread i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a Registered User, Disagreeable regular
    edited December 2009
    TexiKen wrote: »
    When people at an X-Men panel at a convention (the people who love comics so much they go to see the creators, and not faceless internet posters)

    now now, some of those people aren't so "in love" with comics as they are so damn old they don't use the internet and also some are dumb

    It really bugs me when reading panel transcripts and you have four or five people asking something that's either A) asked at every panel ("is aquaman coming back"), b) ask for spoilers for a current story, or c) asking something that everyone else has known for months

    it just seems like, if you like comics enough to pay $50 for that three day pass, take time out of your day to go, and spend hundreds of dollars at the convention itself, you'd think they'd also maybe read up on the stuff they wait in line to ask questions about

    (now, the "asked at every panel" can be used to show support, but I'd rather someone say "hey throwing my hat out there for you guys bringing aquaman back" and not the "are there any plans for aquaman" that's asked at every panel)

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  • TexiKenTexiKen Dammit! That fish really got me!Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Keith, when is Aquaman coming back?

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  • Garlic BreadGarlic Bread i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a Registered User, Disagreeable regular
    edited December 2009
    thursdays at 7:00PM on The CW

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  • LucascraftLucascraft Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    If the rumors are true, and Geoff Johns really is gonna be taking over JLA at some point, you can bet that Aquaman and every other member of the classic JLA will be alive and kickin' so he can put them on the team. I actually would prefer this.

    I think a Geoff Johns JLA featuring Superman, Batman, Flash, Green Lantern, Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, and the Atom would just be the greatest thing. Heck, you could throw in a couple B or C list characters and I'd be happy as long as it wasn't Vixen.

    I'm just tired of reading JLA stories that has nothing but C Listers and they get their asses kicked every fucking time until Zatanna shows up to save the day.

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  • MunchMunch Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Lucascraft wrote: »
    I'm just tired of reading JLA stories that has nothing but C Listers and they get their asses kicked every fucking time until Zatanna shows up to save the day.

    Paul Dini must be ghostwriting JLA for Robinson.

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  • CrimsondudeCrimsondude Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    TexiKen wrote: »
    As much as I didn't want Bucky to come back to begin with (a "sacred" death), they stuck with it, told some good stories, and now I want the commie SOB to stay as Cap, even if he stole Matt Murdock's true love from him by editorial decision.

    Bucky's death was not sacred. It was actually really awful.

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  • TexiKenTexiKen Dammit! That fish really got me!Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Bucky
    Uncle Ben
    Gwen Stacy
    (I think Jean should be on this as well)

    If someone wants to bring them back, Stranger Danger!

    But like I said, Brubaker told some good stories.

    But the downside to this is that they might think if they bring back Gwen or Uncle Ben, they could tell good stories with them as well.

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  • 143999143999 Tellin' ya not askin' ya, not pleadin' with yaRegistered User regular
    edited December 2009
    TexiKen wrote: »
    As much as I didn't want Bucky to come back to begin with (a "sacred" death), they stuck with it, told some good stories, and now I want the commie SOB to stay as Cap, even if he stole Matt Murdock's true love from him by editorial decision.

    Bucky's death was not sacred. It was actually really awful.

    Sacred in the "this will never be undone" sense. More like sarcosanct in the "inviolable" sense.

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  • CrimsondudeCrimsondude Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    The way it was even told was just awful and so open to retcon it's not even funny. So much so that it was Brubaker's argument #1 for bringing him back. (Seriously. Off-panel in a flashback? Please.)

    Anyway, I was re-reading Avengers Disassembled last night on a whim. I cannot believe that the same person who wrote Avengers #500 as action-packed as it was is the same person who has since written three Avengers books that move slower than glaciers. And not the "climate change made them fall into the ocean" glaciers, but the ones that still move in feet per year.

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  • wirehead26wirehead26 Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    The way it was even told was just awful and so open to retcon it's not even funny. So much so that it was Brubaker's argument #1 for bringing him back. (Seriously. Off-panel in a flashback? Please.)

    Anyway, I was re-reading Avengers Disassembled last night on a whim. I cannot believe that the same person who wrote Avengers #500 as action-packed as it was is the same person who has since written three Avengers books that move slower than glaciers. And not the "climate change made them fall into the ocean" glaciers, but the ones that still move in feet per year.

    I've liked the majority of the Bendis Avengers titles but I do agree most of them moved at a slow pace. Hopefully Bendis can channel the Disassembled pace for Siege, at least he better since it's only 4 issues.

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  • AlgertmanAlgertman Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    wirehead26 wrote: »
    The way it was even told was just awful and so open to retcon it's not even funny. So much so that it was Brubaker's argument #1 for bringing him back. (Seriously. Off-panel in a flashback? Please.)

    Anyway, I was re-reading Avengers Disassembled last night on a whim. I cannot believe that the same person who wrote Avengers #500 as action-packed as it was is the same person who has since written three Avengers books that move slower than glaciers. And not the "climate change made them fall into the ocean" glaciers, but the ones that still move in feet per year.

    I've liked the majority of the Bendis Avengers titles but I do agree most of them moved at a slow pace. Hopefully Bendis can channel the Disassembled pace for Siege, at least he better since it's only 4 issues.

    Disassembled was a piece of jumbled hippopotamus shit with elephant jizz mixed in. It made no sense and made every character look like a dumb ass.

    Bendis problem is that just pulls some Deus Ex Machina out his ass. That's what the Sentry straight up is now. The dude is Molecule Man crossed with Silver Age Superman. He's doesn't have any set power level. It's infinite.

    To show what it would take to beat Sentry.

    The only way Bendis Sentry can be defeated is if Grant Morrison showed up with JLA 1mil Gold Superman and he teamed up with Geoff Johns written Hal Jordan and Barry Allen. Then Frank Miller showed up calling everyone whores and brought DKR Batman along for good measure. That might beat him.

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  • DarkWarriorDarkWarrior __BANNED USERS regular
    edited December 2009
    Sentry is going to die/be written out, his power set is now completely unsustainable. Hulk could take him before but now he can just handwave Hulk away, theres nothing left for him now.

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  • sportzboytjwsportzboytjw squeeeeeezzeeee some more tax breaks outRegistered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Algertman wrote: »
    wirehead26 wrote: »
    The way it was even told was just awful and so open to retcon it's not even funny. So much so that it was Brubaker's argument #1 for bringing him back. (Seriously. Off-panel in a flashback? Please.)

    Anyway, I was re-reading Avengers Disassembled last night on a whim. I cannot believe that the same person who wrote Avengers #500 as action-packed as it was is the same person who has since written three Avengers books that move slower than glaciers. And not the "climate change made them fall into the ocean" glaciers, but the ones that still move in feet per year.

    I've liked the majority of the Bendis Avengers titles but I do agree most of them moved at a slow pace. Hopefully Bendis can channel the Disassembled pace for Siege, at least he better since it's only 4 issues.

    Disassembled was a piece of jumbled hippopotamus shit with elephant jizz mixed in. It made no sense and made every character look like a dumb ass.

    Bendis problem is that just pulls some Deus Ex Machina out his ass. That's what the Sentry straight up is now. The dude is Molecule Man crossed with Silver Age Superman. He's doesn't have any set power level. It's infinite.

    To show what it would take to beat Sentry.

    The only way Bendis Sentry can be defeated is if Grant Morrison showed up with JLA 1mil Gold Superman and he teamed up with Geoff Johns written Hal Jordan and Barry Allen. Then Frank Miller showed up calling everyone whores and brought DKR Batman along for good measure. That might beat him.

    Chris Claremont's Dazzler could handle Sentry.

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  • TexiKenTexiKen Dammit! That fish really got me!Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Or Chris Claremont Storm. She could probably take out Sentry and everyone Algertman wrote. And then be brainwashed to be the bride of someone.

    Storm took out The Fury, for elf's sake. The thing that is never supposed to be defeated.

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  • kdrudykdrudy Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Honestly, they can kill off, bring back or completely fuck over characters as long as it tells a good story. The problem is when they do these things they often tell a shit story so any time they talk about doing one of these things again we immediately flinch because we've been burned too many times. Bucky coming back is one of those thing that could've been terrible but they told great stories so the reception for it is good, Barry is also one of those things that could've been terrible and so far it has not been good and needs more work before reception will improve.

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