So as for healers, do must people find they set up some tactics and let them run on autopilot, or control them directly? I have some tactics setup for Wynne to heal, but I still find myself swapping over to her a lot to do a bit more than the tactics will allow. I do wish there was a tactic like "Party health below 50%" or something to more effectively use group heal.
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I must have missed the convo option where she admits to planning this from the very beginning. Still it wasn't hard to figure out that was the case.
To me though, there's just entirely too much trust being placed in assumptions going on with the hellbaby scenario. You're assuming that the corruption will probably be gone due to the ritual, you're assuming that Morrigan won't do somethin entirely ghastly with it, hell you're also assuming that a child with the soul of an old god won't be much cleverer than Morrigan and escape her clutches to do horrible shit all of its own.
There are just so many ways this can go horribly horribly wrong. The achievement for going with Morrigan's plan is called Dark Promise (or something like that yes?) for a reason.
Edit: Lorek also makes a good point about how the Darkspawn seem to sense Old Gods. Fuck I didn't think of that.
Continued endgame/Morrigan talk:
It's a big risk. Just seemed like one my character would take. If he believes Morrigan's come to love him, then he also has to believe she'd come to love the child. Taking it on faith, as it were.
Anyhow, I was under the impression that pre-corruption the Old Gods were good guys. That maybe one of them would be nice to have around, if Morrigan didn't do whatever nefarious thing she's planning.
Continuing with spoilery stuff.
From what I know, the Old Gods were worshiped by the Tivinter Empire. It was the Old Gods who taught them Magic, and then the Old Gods who egged those mages on to invade the Golden City and cast down the Maker, in hopes that it would free them from the prison the Maker stuck them in. The Dark Spawn exist because of the Old Gods originally tricking the Mages to invade the Golden City. I wouldn't call that good.
Hmm. Don't remember reading that, of course I skipped some of the Codex entries. Is that just what the Chantry teaches though?
Even if it has nothing to do with the Maker it remains the case that
Dumat eggs Arch Magister Lords into entering Golden City. Whether there is a Maker that is related to the Golden City or not this was a VERY BAD THING that went horrendously wrong. There's little question whether or not the attempt to enter the Golden City caused the Blight. The ritual they used to physically enter the Fade is actually fairly well understood in that it was an epic feat of blood magic that killed hundreds and hundreds of slaves.
So as for healers, do must people find they set up some tactics and let them run on autopilot, or control them directly? I have some tactics setup for Wynne to heal, but I still find myself swapping over to her a lot to do a bit more than the tactics will allow. I do wish there was a tactic like "Party health below 50%" or something to more effectively use group heal.
You can get almost the same effect by using the Party Member>Any>Health < X. For example, I think it was Fiaryn who said earlier how they've got Wynne set to Group Heal if anyone is below 25%, because chances are if one person is that low, everyone could use a top-up.
I mostly let the AI control Wynne, but I do make sure her Tactics cover what I need. She has so freaking many Tactics slots that you can easily set Tactics for everyone in the group and still have spots left over.
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So as for healers, do must people find they set up some tactics and let them run on autopilot, or control them directly? I have some tactics setup for Wynne to heal, but I still find myself swapping over to her a lot to do a bit more than the tactics will allow. I do wish there was a tactic like "Party health below 50%" or something to more effectively use group heal.
I control mine directly, but mostly because my main healer is me. My PC is my Mage/Spirit Healer, and is setup very specifically to do so, with stuff like Mana Drain and Death Syphon as support skills (and Dark Sustenance from Warden's Keep). I have no DPS spells on that character, choosing instead to focus Morrigan as a pure CC/DPS caster.
I'll admit, I cheated ever so slightly by using the available respec potion mod to munchkin min/max my party.
I'm on Hard and the game up to Redcliffe was doable with the use of basic tactics, while still not having a healer.
The endless waves of undead in the village however did my party in.
I'm finding that the fighting on hard punishes those that just wade into the fray without a game plan. This is a good thing tho.
This sir is why i posted asking about party composition. Same situation as you.
Im running with warrior/warrior/mage/rogue(me) and was having fundamental face planting issues with all of the bandit situations up to this point. Now, im just pissed.
What does your party situation look like?
Oh...
Am i supposed to be using a traps and kiting tactics more for this?
So I finally got Death Hex on my main character mage.
Death Hex + Death Cloud = Dead enemy. I've one-shot orange minibosses with it. I'm tempted to get Wynne up to Death Hex herself just so I have two people who can do it.
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Just a heads up to you fellows - chain lightning still gets no benefit from spell power, %damage mods on armour and items don't work properly (they have too little an effect), %healing received mods do absolutely nothing.
On the other hand
Mages are ridiculous. They're like voltron; the more you have, the better it gets.
Man.
Between this stuff, the dagger-dexterity thing, memory leaks,, and random stuff mentioned earlier in the thread does it seem like this has a lot of bugs for a Bioware game?
I've played everything they've done since BG and I can't recall them launching anything with this many just plain not working things.
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"Tank" vs "Fighter w dialogue options (main character)" wise, what is the best way to spread out stats?
For my tank i just switch between constitution and strength, for my main character i just went 100% into strength until i had enough for the blood dragon armor, then cunning for perception. Did i do good?
So as for healers, do must people find they set up some tactics and let them run on autopilot, or control them directly? I have some tactics setup for Wynne to heal, but I still find myself swapping over to her a lot to do a bit more than the tactics will allow. I do wish there was a tactic like "Party health below 50%" or something to more effectively use group heal.
I control mine directly, but mostly because my main healer is me. My PC is my Mage/Spirit Healer, and is setup very specifically to do so, with stuff like Mana Drain and Death Syphon as support skills (and Dark Sustenance from Warden's Keep). I have no DPS spells on that character, choosing instead to focus Morrigan as a pure CC/DPS caster.
I'll admit, I cheated ever so slightly by using the available respec potion mod to munchkin min/max my party.
Please tell me the respec mod is available for the 360 version
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So as for healers, do must people find they set up some tactics and let them run on autopilot, or control them directly? I have some tactics setup for Wynne to heal, but I still find myself swapping over to her a lot to do a bit more than the tactics will allow. I do wish there was a tactic like "Party health below 50%" or something to more effectively use group heal.
I control mine directly, but mostly because my main healer is me. My PC is my Mage/Spirit Healer, and is setup very specifically to do so, with stuff like Mana Drain and Death Syphon as support skills (and Dark Sustenance from Warden's Keep). I have no DPS spells on that character, choosing instead to focus Morrigan as a pure CC/DPS caster.
I'll admit, I cheated ever so slightly by using the available respec potion mod to munchkin min/max my party.
Please tell me the respec mod is available for the 360 version
Bah, we have to wait for an "official" update that goes to the LIVE team for a month of testing first.
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So as for healers, do must people find they set up some tactics and let them run on autopilot, or control them directly? I have some tactics setup for Wynne to heal, but I still find myself swapping over to her a lot to do a bit more than the tactics will allow. I do wish there was a tactic like "Party health below 50%" or something to more effectively use group heal.
I control mine directly, but mostly because my main healer is me. My PC is my Mage/Spirit Healer, and is setup very specifically to do so, with stuff like Mana Drain and Death Syphon as support skills (and Dark Sustenance from Warden's Keep). I have no DPS spells on that character, choosing instead to focus Morrigan as a pure CC/DPS caster.
I'll admit, I cheated ever so slightly by using the available respec potion mod to munchkin min/max my party.
Please tell me the respec mod is available for the 360 version
Nope, it's a user mod, no BioWare involved. It's unlikely the 360 version will ever see it, unless BioWare feels generous.
So as for healers, do must people find they set up some tactics and let them run on autopilot, or control them directly? I have some tactics setup for Wynne to heal, but I still find myself swapping over to her a lot to do a bit more than the tactics will allow. I do wish there was a tactic like "Party health below 50%" or something to more effectively use group heal.
For me, it depends on the fight. If I'm just dealing with trash mobs, I let the AI control my healer, as the tactics I have setup work out fairly well. If its a big boss battle
Flemeth, High Dragon, Brood Mother, etc
then I tend to control the healer to insure that I keep the Tank(s) at full health as much as possible, since most of the big bosses have at least 1 attack that can near one shot the tank.
So +100 with Leliana and still no romance conclusion. No hint of a character quest either.
Isn't her character quest getting that Orlais bitch in Denerim? Did the shit the first time I entered Denerim, and I'm still at the start of the game really.
So +100 with Leliana and still no romance conclusion. No hint of a character quest either.
To trigger her character quest, you have to talk with her about her time as a bard. She'll open up about her mentor named Marjoline. After talking with her in camp about Marjoline, take her with your party and you'll run into a special random encounter that triggers the personal quest in Denerim.
Once quest is done, then the seduction can begin. Gotta be careful though, the camp dialog after the quest needs a couple of things to go right to get the booty call on.
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So as for healers, do must people find they set up some tactics and let them run on autopilot, or control them directly? I have some tactics setup for Wynne to heal, but I still find myself swapping over to her a lot to do a bit more than the tactics will allow. I do wish there was a tactic like "Party health below 50%" or something to more effectively use group heal.
I control mine directly, but mostly because my main healer is me. My PC is my Mage/Spirit Healer, and is setup very specifically to do so, with stuff like Mana Drain and Death Syphon as support skills (and Dark Sustenance from Warden's Keep). I have no DPS spells on that character, choosing instead to focus Morrigan as a pure CC/DPS caster.
I'll admit, I cheated ever so slightly by using the available respec potion mod to munchkin min/max my party.
Please tell me the respec mod is available for the 360 version
Nope, it's a user mod, no BioWare involved. It's unlikely the 360 version will ever see it, unless BioWare feels generous.
It would be nice if, at some distant point, they found a way to float 360 owners a fix for some of the math errors, though.
I'd say it would be nice to get the camp chest, too, but I don't see EA approving something that would obviate one of the DLC's selling points.
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This sir is why i posted asking about party composition. Same situation as you.
Im running with warrior/warrior/mage/rogue(me) and was having fundamental face planting issues with all of the bandit situations up to this point. Now, im just pissed.
What does your party situation look like?
I got PC (tank), Alistair (DPS/off tank), Leliana (range rogue) and Morrigan (dps mage). Prolly the same members you have. I can get thru 90% of the fight but those last few seem to come out of nowhere and steamroll whats left of my party's HPs.
I'm guessing the old Cone of Cold + Stone Fist combo does not work on him? I've tried it several times to try and shatter him for an easy win, but to no avail. I've got to come up with some kind of cheater way to do this because bitch be tough
I also hope that they do an update for the consoles. Sony has less of a turnaround time on the PSN, I've heard, but if everything is based on user fixes, they might just ignore it.
Didn't they have a bunch of bugs on Oblivion that they ignored on the consoles, too?
I'm not playing to min/max or do absolutely every possible role in the game, but it would be nice if the PS3 version let me do everything as intended.
I also hope that they do an update for the consoles. Sony has less of a turnaround time on the PSN, I've heard, but if everything is based on user fixes, they might just ignore it.
Didn't they have a bunch of bugs on Oblivion that they ignored on the consoles, too?
I'm not playing to min/max or do absolutely every possible role in the game, but it would be nice if the PS3 version let me do everything as intended.
I'd imagine stuff like dagger and archery (I think this was bioware too) fixes would make it.
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I must have missed the convo option where she admits to planning this from the very beginning. Still it wasn't hard to figure out that was the case.
To me though, there's just entirely too much trust being placed in assumptions going on with the hellbaby scenario. You're assuming that the corruption will probably be gone due to the ritual, you're assuming that Morrigan won't do somethin entirely ghastly with it, hell you're also assuming that a child with the soul of an old god won't be much cleverer than Morrigan and escape her clutches to do horrible shit all of its own.
There are just so many ways this can go horribly horribly wrong. The achievement for going with Morrigan's plan is called Dark Promise (or something like that yes?) for a reason.
Edit: Lorek also makes a good point about how the Darkspawn seem to sense Old Gods. Fuck I didn't think of that.
Continued endgame/Morrigan talk:
It's a big risk. Just seemed like one my character would take. If he believes Morrigan's come to love him, then he also has to believe she'd come to love the child. Taking it on faith, as it were.
Anyhow, I was under the impression that pre-corruption the Old Gods were good guys. That maybe one of them would be nice to have around, if Morrigan didn't do whatever nefarious thing she's planning.
Continuing with spoilery stuff.
From what I know, the Old Gods were worshiped by the Tivinter Empire. It was the Old Gods who taught them Magic, and then the Old Gods who egged those mages on to invade the Golden City and cast down the Maker, in hopes that it would free them from the prison the Maker stuck them in. The Dark Spawn exist because of the Old Gods originally tricking the Mages to invade the Golden City. I wouldn't call that good.
Hmm. Don't remember reading that, of course I skipped some of the Codex entries. Is that just what the Chantry teaches though?
Even if it has nothing to do with the Maker it remains the case that
Dumat eggs Arch Magister Lords into entering Golden City. Whether there is a Maker that is related to the Golden City or not this was a VERY BAD THING that went horrendously wrong. There's little question whether or not the attempt to enter the Golden City caused the Blight. The ritual they used to physically enter the Fade is actually fairly well understood in that it was an epic feat of blood magic that killed hundreds and hundreds of slaves.
Honestly, I think there's reasonable doubt about almost all of the Chantry's teachings. Not that they're liars, but that this was all so long ago and so many people have a stake in which way the official story spins that I don't necessarily believe any of the religious explanation.
The only things I think are definitely reliable are: there was a Tevinter Imperium, with powerful mages; the first Blight happened during the time it ruled over most of Thedas; and it was eventually brought down by a rebellion/religious civil war.
Zevran's just way too obvious, and plays too deeply into "bi people are just sluts" territory.
To be fair, the only bi person I've ever known was a total slut, so ...
To be fair, that's not fair at all.
[Note the edit; I forgot someone.]
But the point is that, sure it is - limited sample sizes result in statistical oddities. Thus, having a bi character in a game who happens to be a total slut doesn't mean or even imply that all bi people are sluts - no more so than my small personal sample size indicates the same.
Zevran's just way too obvious, and plays too deeply into "bi people are just sluts" territory.
To be fair, the only bi person I've ever known was a total slut, so ...
To be fair, that's not fair at all.
[Note the edit; I forgot someone.]
But the point is that, sure it is - limited sample sizes result in statistical oddities. Thus, having a bi character in a game who happens to be a total slut doesn't mean or even imply that all bi people are sluts - no more so than my small personal sample size indicates the same.
To be fair, He
Grew up in a whore house, son of a whore. his exposure and ideals of sexuality are no doubt different than other peoples
So what's this "potion respec" mod all about? Is that posted in the OP, or is it buried a few pages back? It's something I'd heavily consider, since there are probably a good chunk of talents I'd like to dump from Morrigan that the game forced me to have.
Also, since I have to ask with it being a player mod and all, anyone used it and noticed any issues with the game afterwards?
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To be fair, the only bi person I've ever known was a total slut, so ...
[EDIT: Actually, I take that back. 50% of the bi people I knew were sluts.]
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I'm finding that the fighting on hard punishes those that just wade into the fray without a game plan. This is a good thing tho.
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Even if it has nothing to do with the Maker it remains the case that
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I mostly let the AI control Wynne, but I do make sure her Tactics cover what I need. She has so freaking many Tactics slots that you can easily set Tactics for everyone in the group and still have spots left over.
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I control mine directly, but mostly because my main healer is me. My PC is my Mage/Spirit Healer, and is setup very specifically to do so, with stuff like Mana Drain and Death Syphon as support skills (and Dark Sustenance from Warden's Keep). I have no DPS spells on that character, choosing instead to focus Morrigan as a pure CC/DPS caster.
I'll admit, I cheated ever so slightly by using the available respec potion mod to munchkin min/max my party.
This sir is why i posted asking about party composition. Same situation as you.
Im running with warrior/warrior/mage/rogue(me) and was having fundamental face planting issues with all of the bandit situations up to this point. Now, im just pissed.
What does your party situation look like?
Oh...
Death Hex + Death Cloud = Dead enemy. I've one-shot orange minibosses with it. I'm tempted to get Wynne up to Death Hex herself just so I have two people who can do it.
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Man.
Between this stuff, the dagger-dexterity thing, memory leaks,, and random stuff mentioned earlier in the thread does it seem like this has a lot of bugs for a Bioware game?
I've played everything they've done since BG and I can't recall them launching anything with this many just plain not working things.
For my tank i just switch between constitution and strength, for my main character i just went 100% into strength until i had enough for the blood dragon armor, then cunning for perception. Did i do good?
Please tell me the respec mod is available for the 360 version
Bah, we have to wait for an "official" update that goes to the LIVE team for a month of testing first.
Nope, it's a user mod, no BioWare involved. It's unlikely the 360 version will ever see it, unless BioWare feels generous.
For me, it depends on the fight. If I'm just dealing with trash mobs, I let the AI control my healer, as the tactics I have setup work out fairly well. If its a big boss battle
With some fire crystals for armor, Shale was an insane tank for one of the dragons I went against. Fire breath? Bitch, please.
This is why I went with crazy morrigan. Sure she might gut me and use me as some horrible flesh marrionette, but DEM TITTIES!
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Where are you plot wise? New things open as you secure each treaty, so even if you're at 100%, if you've only got 1 treaty, its not going to advance.
Once quest is done, then the seduction can begin. Gotta be careful though, the camp dialog after the quest needs a couple of things to go right to get the booty call on.
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I'd say it would be nice to get the camp chest, too, but I don't see EA approving something that would obviate one of the DLC's selling points.
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If she wants your meat missle she doesn't want you shifting into something unnatural during...
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This is not inconvenient.
This is ...
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I got PC (tank), Alistair (DPS/off tank), Leliana (range rogue) and Morrigan (dps mage). Prolly the same members you have. I can get thru 90% of the fight but those last few seem to come out of nowhere and steamroll whats left of my party's HPs.
Didn't they have a bunch of bugs on Oblivion that they ignored on the consoles, too?
I'm not playing to min/max or do absolutely every possible role in the game, but it would be nice if the PS3 version let me do everything as intended.
You can jump into the sack with Morrigan after her initial dialogue options and a gift or two.
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I'd imagine stuff like dagger and archery (I think this was bioware too) fixes would make it.
The only things I think are definitely reliable are: there was a Tevinter Imperium, with powerful mages; the first Blight happened during the time it ruled over most of Thedas; and it was eventually brought down by a rebellion/religious civil war.
[Note the edit; I forgot someone.]
But the point is that, sure it is - limited sample sizes result in statistical oddities. Thus, having a bi character in a game who happens to be a total slut doesn't mean or even imply that all bi people are sluts - no more so than my small personal sample size indicates the same.
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Not intentionally, but in the end she was doing the mmo dps dance (IE run away oh god stop chasing me).
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To be fair, He
tl:dr
OMG SOMEONES DIFFERENT THAN THE STATUS QUO
Also, since I have to ask with it being a player mod and all, anyone used it and noticed any issues with the game afterwards?
I had her range tank with full agro and everyone else up the whole time.
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