BuckwolfeStarts With Them, Ends With UsRegistered Userregular
edited November 2009
Well in Electric Six's defense, they've gone through something like twenty band members over the last few years. The only original member still there is the lead singer, Dick Valentine. I don't think I'd even listen to them if Dick weren't with them. He's become iconic for me.
The degradation of each sequential album is true for many bands and artists, but that doesn't make it acceptable. I expect more, but seem to be let down each and every time.
I refuse to give up hope though!!
Tam - Even if you only listened to each song only once....no. Not by a long shot. This is especially true if you somehow found a way to put songs that predate recording technology on this hard drive. Either way, it would be impossible in a single life time, with or without sleep.
Do you guys think there is more music in the world than can be listened to in one lifetime? If you had, say, 75 years, and one giant hard drive with all the world's recorded music on it, played continuously, would you have enough time to listen to it all?
I think you could listen to all the good music in one life time.
I dunno, just a weird thing to think about. In how many more years will the playback time of the total accumulated music of the human race exceed an individual human's lifetime?
Will the rate of music production outpace the lengthening of human life by scientific advances?
But you'd have to listen to all known music first in order to determine which is "good."
Not really; I mean good based people's own criteria. A lot of people don't like an entire genre of music, so there's no need for them to consider an entire group there anyway.
edit: Basically, evaluating every last piece of music would be unnecessarily pedantic when you can clearly pick up on which patterns the individual doesn't consider good.
BuckwolfeStarts With Them, Ends With UsRegistered Userregular
edited November 2009
You're also ignoring some major factors in the question.
Is the "lifespan" a global average, or region/location specific? Does gender play a role? Or is the sum of humanity's "good music," which is purely subjective, dependent upon a specific individual's lifespan? What I mean is, if every individual has a different opinion on what constitutes as "good music," as it may very well be, is the time allotted to listen to said "good music" restricted to that specific person's lifespan? Their lifespan of course being indeterminable prior to their death in the first place.
But you'd have to listen to all known music first in order to determine which is "good."
Not really; I mean good based people's own criteria. A lot of people don't like an entire genre of music, so there's no need for them to consider an entire group there anyway.
I was having a discussion similar to this earlier. It would be erroneous to exclude entire genres from potential "good music." There are many genres that I dislike, some I even hate. but within these genres there are artists, bands, and individual songs that I like, and would consider "good."
My point being, you can't know without a doubt what you like, or don't like without having first experienced it.
Things are getting muddled here. The original question had nothing to do with good music, it was all music. I used 75 as an average life expectancy for someone born in the US.
Now, Napp said it would be possible to listen to all the "good" music in the world and I added that that is probably true, going on your statement that "good" is subjective, which is a narrower parameter.
And, actually, outliers could probably be ignored, considering, by definition, there aren't a lot of them, and they don't add a significant amount to the total.
also, I'll restate this:
Basically, evaluating every last piece of music would be unnecessarily pedantic when you can clearly pick up on which patterns the individual doesn't consider good.
BuckwolfeStarts With Them, Ends With UsRegistered Userregular
edited November 2009
Even if 75 were the actual life expectancy of a human life, regardless of location (which is apparently the US for arguments sake), I'm incredibly doubtful that its possible to listen to the human race's collective musical history in the allotted 75 years you've proposed.
Even if you believe that all known reality was created in seven days, and that the human race is a few measly thousand years old, I'm still doubtful that it could be done even then.
If you believe in evolution, then the human race has been around even longer, making it even more improbable. I'm not trying to create additional restrictions, I'm just saying that even if there were such tight restrictions, its still unlikely in my opinion.
Even if 75 were the actual life expectancy of a human life, regardless of location (which is apparently the US for arguments sake), I'm incredibly doubtful that its possible to listen to the human race's collective musical history in the allotted 75 years you've proposed.
Even if you believe that all known reality was created in seven days, and that the human race is a few measly thousand years old, I'm still doubtful that it could be done even then.
If you believe in evolution, then the human race has been around even longer, making it even more improbable. I'm not trying to create additional restrictions, I'm just saying that even if there were such tight restrictions, its still unlikely in my opinion.
Okay, yeah, that's the original question. So you think that it isn't possible to listen to all recorded music in 75 years?
Okay, yeah, that's the original question. So you think that it isn't possible to listen to all recorded music in 75 years?
I wouldn't dare say that its absolutely impossible. That would be foolish. I'm just saying that I think its highly unlikely.
I also feel like you've failed to take into consideration how the potential result of the question changes over time. Where is the cut off? Is it now? Or what about right now? New music is being thought of, made, and performed as we discuss. The longer the human race is allowed persist, and create, the more unlikely it becomes that listening to the entire human races musical history is even remotely possible.
BuckwolfeStarts With Them, Ends With UsRegistered Userregular
edited November 2009
In the end, I'd say highly unlikely, but still possible. Even if its the smallest, most remote possibility it can't be ruled out. I don't think anyone could say for sure without actually putting it to the test. Just collecting the materials needed for testing, i.e. all of mankind's music, would be at best equally unlikely.
Fuck. I've been trying to draw this one skull for hours now, but i keep getting distracted by just about everything around me. Its frustrating.
Somewhat to my lament I find myself quoting a radiohead member
TNY: What are your favorite and least favorite aspects of the MP3 age?
JG: The downside is that people are encouraged to own far more music than they can ever give their full attention to. People will have MP3s of every Miles Davis’ record but never think of hearing any of them twice in a row—there’s just too much to get through. You’re thinking, “I’ve got ‘Sketches of Spain and ‘Bitches Brew’—let’s zip through those while I’m finishing that e-mail.” That abundance can push any music into background music, furniture music.
The trick for the work space thread is to not have it devolve into another chat thread, i.e. don't spend 3 pages talking about how many diet coke cans are on someone's desk and there's only been one photo.
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The degradation of each sequential album is true for many bands and artists, but that doesn't make it acceptable. I expect more, but seem to be let down each and every time.
I refuse to give up hope though!!
Tam - Even if you only listened to each song only once....no. Not by a long shot. This is especially true if you somehow found a way to put songs that predate recording technology on this hard drive. Either way, it would be impossible in a single life time, with or without sleep.
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I think you could listen to all the good music in one life time.
Finding it though would prove more difficult...
I know we have similar taste in music, but c'mon.
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Will the rate of music production outpace the lengthening of human life by scientific advances?
Well, obviously the music will be voted upon by 100's of certified critics.
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which is why we have a panel of certified critics
Not really; I mean good based people's own criteria. A lot of people don't like an entire genre of music, so there's no need for them to consider an entire group there anyway.
edit: Basically, evaluating every last piece of music would be unnecessarily pedantic when you can clearly pick up on which patterns the individual doesn't consider good.
That said I have a massive backlog
Is the "lifespan" a global average, or region/location specific? Does gender play a role? Or is the sum of humanity's "good music," which is purely subjective, dependent upon a specific individual's lifespan? What I mean is, if every individual has a different opinion on what constitutes as "good music," as it may very well be, is the time allotted to listen to said "good music" restricted to that specific person's lifespan? Their lifespan of course being indeterminable prior to their death in the first place.
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I agree- many of my favorite cd's/ bands I hated on my first listen.
I was having a discussion similar to this earlier. It would be erroneous to exclude entire genres from potential "good music." There are many genres that I dislike, some I even hate. but within these genres there are artists, bands, and individual songs that I like, and would consider "good."
My point being, you can't know without a doubt what you like, or don't like without having first experienced it.
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Now, Napp said it would be possible to listen to all the "good" music in the world and I added that that is probably true, going on your statement that "good" is subjective, which is a narrower parameter.
And, actually, outliers could probably be ignored, considering, by definition, there aren't a lot of them, and they don't add a significant amount to the total.
also, I'll restate this:
Even if you believe that all known reality was created in seven days, and that the human race is a few measly thousand years old, I'm still doubtful that it could be done even then.
If you believe in evolution, then the human race has been around even longer, making it even more improbable. I'm not trying to create additional restrictions, I'm just saying that even if there were such tight restrictions, its still unlikely in my opinion.
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Damn you, Montesquieu!
Okay, yeah, that's the original question. So you think that it isn't possible to listen to all recorded music in 75 years?
I wouldn't dare say that its absolutely impossible. That would be foolish. I'm just saying that I think its highly unlikely.
I also feel like you've failed to take into consideration how the potential result of the question changes over time. Where is the cut off? Is it now? Or what about right now? New music is being thought of, made, and performed as we discuss. The longer the human race is allowed persist, and create, the more unlikely it becomes that listening to the entire human races musical history is even remotely possible.
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Fuck. I've been trying to draw this one skull for hours now, but i keep getting distracted by just about everything around me. Its frustrating.
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edit: I have 12008 songs in my itunes and that's 29.9 days of music so you can go from there.
Just thinking about it, and other hypothetical questions/situations makes me feel tired.
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also
Remember Sam Jinks? (NSFW)
holy fuck
Also, that the most salient of points, flit
Basically, your workspaces are gross.