Over here we call today 'Wapenstilstand', which is Dutch for Armistice. But we also celebrate veterans, dress them up in uniforms, show off medals.
Which is a shame. It should be about the victims of war. And sure a lot of those are soldiers. Or, if they survived, veterans.
But being a soldier is about being ready to kill. Ready to die, too, but since soldiers are (outside of recent western armies) young and brimming with testosterone it's not something they can truly consider beforehand.
So all of those war victims? There wouldn't be a single one if there weren't any soldiers. No soldiers, no armies, no war.
The worst part about today's celebrations is that it cons young people into thinking that there's something heroic about dying. All the pomp and medals and those damned poppies...
They're just there to convince a new generation to go out and get killed. And kill.
Creating new veterans, and new victims of war.
Now that's ironic.
And a god-damned shame.
Armistice day should be about ending wars. Which was popular with the people back in 1918. I'll leave it up to your imagination what kind of people didn't like the idea of peace. Do you really think they would have gotten anywhere without soldiers?
If there were no soldiers and no war, you'd probably be speaking German and saluting the Fuhrer today.
That's right, I Godwin'd this shit up. Deal with it.
You just don't get it, do you. The only reason you're here, contemplating your anarchistic fruitopia is because hundreds of thousands of men died keeping your family from becoming slaves or just plain dead. We'll always need a military because there is always going to be some jack off who wants to take what you have.
I'll answer this once; that jack off will be using soldiers too. No soldiers, no problem.
I always get the urge to punch someone in the face when I hear someone talking about how I was "tricked into serving" with all those medals and honor and blah blah blah. You have no clue what my reasons or the reasons of those that I served with were. For some couch jockey to think that he could understand why an infantry man does what he does is pretty delusional.
You just don't get it, do you. The only reason you're here, contemplating your anarchistic fruitopia is because hundreds of thousands of men died keeping your family from becoming slaves or just plain dead. We'll always need a military because there is always going to be some jack off who wants to take what you have.
I'll answer this once; that jack off will be using soldiers too. No soldiers, no problem.
So the world is perfect until someone figures out he can just take your shit if he has a gun and a couple like minded dudes with guns. Now your wife is being raped while you're getting beat to death in the corner and you're crying out asking why no one is there to help you.
You just don't get it, do you. The only reason you're here, contemplating your anarchistic fruitopia is because hundreds of thousands of men died keeping your family from becoming slaves or just plain dead. We'll always need a military because there is always going to be some jack off who wants to take what you have.
I'll answer this once; that jack off will be using soldiers too. No soldiers, no problem.
Police officers? Laws being passed?
Anyway, take the arguments against war to another thread. This isn't the place.
You just don't get it, do you. The only reason you're here, contemplating your anarchistic fruitopia is because hundreds of thousands of men died keeping your family from becoming slaves or just plain dead. We'll always need a military because there is always going to be some jack off who wants to take what you have.
I'll answer this once; that jack off will be using soldiers too. No soldiers, no problem.
Your logic is astounding--if there were no soldiers there would be no war! Now if only there was a way to ensure that it would be impossible for any person to do harm to another person, and we would never need militaries. Still waiting on those personal force-fields and potions of invulnerability though.
You just don't get it, do you. The only reason you're here, contemplating your anarchistic fruitopia is because hundreds of thousands of men died keeping your family from becoming slaves or just plain dead. We'll always need a military because there is always going to be some jack off who wants to take what you have.
I'll answer this once; that jack off will be using soldiers too. No soldiers, no problem.
Your logic is astounding--if there were no soldiers there would be no war! Now if only there was a way to ensure that it would be impossible for any person to do harm to another person, and we would never need militaries. Still waiting on those personal force-fields and potions of invulnerability though.
Personal force fields are great until someone figures out you just have to move the blade slowly to get through it.
I always get the urge to punch someone in the face when I hear someone talking about how I was "tricked into serving" with all those medals and honor and blah blah blah. You have no clue what my reasons or the reasons of those that I served with were. For some couch jockey to think that he could understand why an infantry man does what he does is pretty delusional.
Yeah, this
Allow me to quote myself because it really applies here as well:
You just don't get it, do you. The only reason you're here, contemplating your anarchistic fruitopia is because hundreds of thousands of men died keeping your family from becoming slaves or just plain dead. We'll always need a military because there is always going to be some jack off who wants to take what you have.
I'll answer this once; that jack off will be using soldiers too. No soldiers, no problem.
So you're saying that if we all just agreed not to shoot at each other... Hm. I think you may be on to something. I'll call the President, if this catches on we should have all this nonsense in Afghanistan wrapped up within the week.
Over here we call today 'Wapenstilstand', which is Dutch for Armistice. But we also celebrate veterans, dress them up in uniforms, show off medals.
Which is a shame. It should be about the victims of war. And sure a lot of those are soldiers. Or, if they survived, veterans.
But being a soldier is about being ready to kill. Ready to die, too, but since soldiers are (outside of recent western armies) young and brimming with testosterone it's not something they can truly consider beforehand.
So all of those war victims? There wouldn't be a single one if there weren't any soldiers. No soldiers, no armies, no war.
The worst part about today's celebrations is that it cons young people into thinking that there's something heroic about dying. All the pomp and medals and those damned poppies...
They're just there to convince a new generation to go out and get killed. And kill.
Creating new veterans, and new victims of war.
Now that's ironic.
And a god-damned shame.
Armistice day should be about ending wars. Which was popular with the people back in 1918. I'll leave it up to your imagination what kind of people didn't like the idea of peace. Do you really think they would have gotten anywhere without soldiers?
You clearly have a weird-ass view of the world. Without the sacrifice of the hundreds of thousands of men who never made it back home, your inane hypothesizing right there likely would never have happened. Particularly in your part of the world. I myself likely wouldn't exist if not for two key moments in the final days of the Pacific Campaign of WWII.
This is a world run by humans, and as long as we exist there will be war. Today is meant to remind us that sometimes terrible sacrifice is necessary to preserve that which we hold dear, and that we should avoid risking that sacrifice unless all other paths are shut.
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edited November 2009
Jesus Christ, this is not a thread to discuss whether persistent peace is possible. It is a thread to honor those who have served their countries in the armed forces.
Thank you, Veterans, and thank you, especially, to those PA posters who are in the armed forces.
Over here we call today 'Wapenstilstand', which is Dutch for Armistice. But we also celebrate veterans, dress them up in uniforms, show off medals.
Which is a shame. It should be about the victims of war. And sure a lot of those are soldiers. Or, if they survived, veterans.
But being a soldier is about being ready to kill. Ready to die, too, but since soldiers are (outside of recent western armies) young and brimming with testosterone it's not something they can truly consider beforehand.
So all of those war victims? There wouldn't be a single one if there weren't any soldiers. No soldiers, no armies, no war.
The worst part about today's celebrations is that it cons young people into thinking that there's something heroic about dying. All the pomp and medals and those damned poppies...
They're just there to convince a new generation to go out and get killed. And kill.
Creating new veterans, and new victims of war.
Now that's ironic.
And a god-damned shame.
Armistice day should be about ending wars. Which was popular with the people back in 1918. I'll leave it up to your imagination what kind of people didn't like the idea of peace. Do you really think they would have gotten anywhere without soldiers?
On this day we honor those who have given their lives to protect what they hold dear. Terrible things happen in wars. They happen to civilians and they happen to soldiers. But we honor the soldiers on this day because they make a choice to stand between us and violence. They offer up their lives, their time, their freedoms so that others will not have to. Even in peacetime, demands are made of those who serve. Hardships that would be unacceptable to others is expected. On this day we pause and give thanks to those that serve and to remind ourselves of the sacrifices we do not have to make because others have.
I understand a dislike of war. It is a truly terrible thing, something to be avoided unless truly necessary. But perhaps you should stop and take a moment to think about how appropriate your words are on this day.
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Just like to throw another thank you to all of the veterans. You guys go through a lot of shit and because of you volunteers I don't have to worry about a draft or mandatory service nonsense.
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Ignoring my seething anger and enormous lack of respect for people using this thread to post there insane utopian ideas...
I just want to say thank you to all the service members and veterans, regardless of nationality, that frequent these boards.
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I always get the urge to punch someone in the face when I hear someone talking about how I was "tricked into serving" with all those medals and honor and blah blah blah. You have no clue what my reasons or the reasons of those that I served with were. For some couch jockey to think that he could understand why an infantry man does what he does is pretty delusional.
I cannot second guess you personally, obviously.
But rest assured that nations keep this stuff up partly because of it's advertising value. Look up white poppy day to see an example of a pacifist alternative that never caught on.
I always get the urge to punch someone in the face when I hear someone talking about how I was "tricked into serving" with all those medals and honor and blah blah blah. You have no clue what my reasons or the reasons of those that I served with were. For some couch jockey to think that he could understand why an infantry man does what he does is pretty delusional.
I cannot second guess you personally, obviously.
But rest assured that nations keep this stuff up partly because of it's advertising value. Look up white poppy day to see an example of a pacifist alternative that never caught on.
o_O
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Jesus Christ, this is not a thread to discuss whether persistent peace is possible. It is a thread to honor those who have served their countries in the armed forces.
Thank you, Veterans, and thank you, especially, to those PA posters who are in the armed forces.
My thoughts exactly.
Again, thank you to all of those on PA who serve and have sacrificed or lost loved ones in service of their country.
Ignoring my seething anger and enormous lack of respect for people using this thread to post there insane utopian ideas...
I just want to say thank you to all the service members and veterans, regardless of nationality, that frequent these boards.
Also, he got the causation part of the correlation = causation fallacy wrong
It should be, "If there were no war, there'd be no soldiers", not, "If there were no soldiers, there'd be no war." The latter implies that like a group of guys just sitting around in a barracks decided one day in 2002 to invade Afghanistan, I dunno, why not.
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I always get the urge to punch someone in the face when I hear someone talking about how I was "tricked into serving" with all those medals and honor and blah blah blah. You have no clue what my reasons or the reasons of those that I served with were. For some couch jockey to think that he could understand why an infantry man does what he does is pretty delusional.
I cannot second guess you personally, obviously.
But rest assured that nations keep this stuff up partly because of it's advertising value. Look up white poppy day to see an example of a pacifist alternative that never caught on.
THIS IS NOT THE PLACE FOR THIS.
Make a new thread if you want to discuss it. But posting this here is just crass.
Edit: I'm guessing a fobbit is a guy that spends all of his time on the FOB.
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Armistice day should be about ending wars. Which was popular with the people back in 1918. I'll leave it up to your imagination what kind of people didn't like the idea of peace. Do you really think they would have gotten anywhere without soldiers?
Didn't the last WWI French soldier declare himself a pacifist and tell everyone to leave him alone because he didn't want to glorify war?
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Appreciate MUCHLY: Those who have gone to war, either through bravery, stupidity, or a desire to serve
Thank you veterans
I salute you
Or because the G.I. bill is a totally sweet deal. Also kicking down doors and smashing teeth with your m4 is hella rad.
You 11B guys make everything sound cool
I get to be a fobbit! Woohoo!
what's a fobbit?
FOB + hobbit =
It's a degrading term used for people who are deployed who sit on the FOBs all day, much like hobbits do in Middle Earth. Nerdiest military jargon ever
So you're saying that if we all just agreed not to shoot at each other... Hm. I think you may be on to something. I'll call the President, if this catches on we should have all this nonsense in Afghanistan wrapped up within the week.
Wait, was Afghanistan a peacekeeping mission? I must have missed the memo.
Appreciate MUCHLY: Those who have gone to war, either through bravery, stupidity, or a desire to serve
Thank you veterans
I salute you
Or because the G.I. bill is a totally sweet deal. Also kicking down doors and smashing teeth with your m4 is hella rad.
You 11B guys make everything sound cool
I get to be a fobbit! Woohoo!
what's a fobbit?
FOB + hobbit =
It's a degrading term used for people who are deployed who sit on the FOBs all day, much like hobbits do in Middle Earth. Nerdiest military jargon ever
At least you guys don't have to deal with nautical military jargon. You get on a ship and everybody speaks a different language.
Thanks to all the brave men and women, especialy on this forum.
Regardless of what you think of war, or the millitary, now is the time to honor all their brave sacrifice, all the things and times they go without so we don't have to.
Thank you
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more like AWESOMEST military jargon ever.
It's better than "pogue" or "REMF" and way better than "leg". What the hell does leg even mean?
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Appreciate MUCHLY: Those who have gone to war, either through bravery, stupidity, or a desire to serve
Thank you veterans
I salute you
Or because the G.I. bill is a totally sweet deal. Also kicking down doors and smashing teeth with your m4 is hella rad.
You 11B guys make everything sound cool
I get to be a fobbit! Woohoo!
what's a fobbit?
FOB + hobbit =
It's a degrading term used for people who are deployed who sit on the FOBs all day, much like hobbits do in Middle Earth. Nerdiest military jargon ever
At least you guys don't have to deal with nautical military jargon. You get on a ship and everybody speaks a different language.
Appreciate MUCHLY: Those who have gone to war, either through bravery, stupidity, or a desire to serve
Thank you veterans
I salute you
Or because the G.I. bill is a totally sweet deal. Also kicking down doors and smashing teeth with your m4 is hella rad.
You 11B guys make everything sound cool
I get to be a fobbit! Woohoo!
what's a fobbit?
FOB + hobbit =
It's a degrading term used for people who are deployed who sit on the FOBs all day, much like hobbits do in Middle Earth. Nerdiest military jargon ever
At least you guys don't have to deal with nautical military jargon. You get on a ship and everybody speaks a different language.
Is nautical nonsense something you wish?
Heh, when I got out I was still telling people I'm going to the scuttlebut and the head for a while, confused the crap out of people.
The only veteran I know of in my family was my great-grandfather. He served with the Royal Newfoundland Regiment and was wounded and captured at Monchy-le-Preux - he was just one of 485 killed, wounded or missing from the regiment that day (the regiment would only have had less than a thousand men to start with). Canadians are probably more familiar with Vimy Ridge - both were part of the larger battle of Arras.
After being shot in the forearm, he spent a day or two pretending to be dead in a shell hole, hoping a sniper wouldn't spot him (apparently like a lot of young men from rural Newfoundland he had been a sniper himself). Eventually two Germans came across him and discovered that he was alive . . . and proceed to argue about whether they should kill him or take him prisoner. Luckily the older of the two won out and he was taken back to their lines. He spent a while in a German hospital and was even able to write letters home through the Red Cross until he was repatriated through the Netherlands (he was actually sent back before the war was over - the impression I got from his records was that with things breaking down in German in the final months of the war they simply couldn't look after a lot of the wounded prisoners of war and sent them through neutral countries).
Insult? I never heard it as an insult. Legs were usually proud to be so because they were supposedly the hardest and nastiest of the infantry. Or they thought they were at least :P
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If there were no soldiers and no war, you'd probably be speaking German and saluting the Fuhrer today.
That's right, I Godwin'd this shit up. Deal with it.
I'll answer this once; that jack off will be using soldiers too. No soldiers, no problem.
So the world is perfect until someone figures out he can just take your shit if he has a gun and a couple like minded dudes with guns. Now your wife is being raped while you're getting beat to death in the corner and you're crying out asking why no one is there to help you.
Police officers? Laws being passed?
Anyway, take the arguments against war to another thread. This isn't the place.
Thanks to all who have served.
Your logic is astounding--if there were no soldiers there would be no war! Now if only there was a way to ensure that it would be impossible for any person to do harm to another person, and we would never need militaries. Still waiting on those personal force-fields and potions of invulnerability though.
Personal force fields are great until someone figures out you just have to move the blade slowly to get through it.
Yeah, this
Allow me to quote myself because it really applies here as well:
Rent
Appreciate MUCHLY: Those who have gone to war, either through bravery, stupidity, or a desire to serve
Thank you veterans
I salute you
So you're saying that if we all just agreed not to shoot at each other... Hm. I think you may be on to something. I'll call the President, if this catches on we should have all this nonsense in Afghanistan wrapped up within the week.
You clearly have a weird-ass view of the world. Without the sacrifice of the hundreds of thousands of men who never made it back home, your inane hypothesizing right there likely would never have happened. Particularly in your part of the world. I myself likely wouldn't exist if not for two key moments in the final days of the Pacific Campaign of WWII.
This is a world run by humans, and as long as we exist there will be war. Today is meant to remind us that sometimes terrible sacrifice is necessary to preserve that which we hold dear, and that we should avoid risking that sacrifice unless all other paths are shut.
Thank you, Veterans, and thank you, especially, to those PA posters who are in the armed forces.
On this day we honor those who have given their lives to protect what they hold dear. Terrible things happen in wars. They happen to civilians and they happen to soldiers. But we honor the soldiers on this day because they make a choice to stand between us and violence. They offer up their lives, their time, their freedoms so that others will not have to. Even in peacetime, demands are made of those who serve. Hardships that would be unacceptable to others is expected. On this day we pause and give thanks to those that serve and to remind ourselves of the sacrifices we do not have to make because others have.
I understand a dislike of war. It is a truly terrible thing, something to be avoided unless truly necessary. But perhaps you should stop and take a moment to think about how appropriate your words are on this day.
You 11B guys make everything sound cool
I get to be a fobbit! Woohoo!
I just want to say thank you to all the service members and veterans, regardless of nationality, that frequent these boards.
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I cannot second guess you personally, obviously.
But rest assured that nations keep this stuff up partly because of it's advertising value. Look up white poppy day to see an example of a pacifist alternative that never caught on.
o_O
My thoughts exactly.
Again, thank you to all of those on PA who serve and have sacrificed or lost loved ones in service of their country.
what's a fobbit?
Also, he got the causation part of the correlation = causation fallacy wrong
It should be, "If there were no war, there'd be no soldiers", not, "If there were no soldiers, there'd be no war." The latter implies that like a group of guys just sitting around in a barracks decided one day in 2002 to invade Afghanistan, I dunno, why not.
THIS IS NOT THE PLACE FOR THIS.
Make a new thread if you want to discuss it. But posting this here is just crass.
Edit: I'm guessing a fobbit is a guy that spends all of his time on the FOB.
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Forward Operating Base hobbit. Never leaves the shire (Forward operating base).
Didn't the last WWI French soldier declare himself a pacifist and tell everyone to leave him alone because he didn't want to glorify war?
but they're listening to every word I say
Wait, was Afghanistan a peacekeeping mission? I must have missed the memo.
At least you guys don't have to deal with nautical military jargon. You get on a ship and everybody speaks a different language.
Regardless of what you think of war, or the millitary, now is the time to honor all their brave sacrifice, all the things and times they go without so we don't have to.
Thank you
It's better than "pogue" or "REMF" and way better than "leg". What the hell does leg even mean?
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Is nautical nonsense something you wish?
Heh, when I got out I was still telling people I'm going to the scuttlebut and the head for a while, confused the crap out of people.
After being shot in the forearm, he spent a day or two pretending to be dead in a shell hole, hoping a sniper wouldn't spot him (apparently like a lot of young men from rural Newfoundland he had been a sniper himself). Eventually two Germans came across him and discovered that he was alive . . . and proceed to argue about whether they should kill him or take him prisoner. Luckily the older of the two won out and he was taken back to their lines. He spent a while in a German hospital and was even able to write letters home through the Red Cross until he was repatriated through the Netherlands (he was actually sent back before the war was over - the impression I got from his records was that with things breaking down in German in the final months of the war they simply couldn't look after a lot of the wounded prisoners of war and sent them through neutral countries).
It means you use your legs to get around. Like a plain infantry guy is a leg. As in, not mechanized or airborne, or air assault, or jet pack.
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Fobbit? It implies you're a pussy who does no work
I call myself a fobbit all the time because it's clever as hell
But you know, some people (coughcoughseniorofficers) get offended by the implication