Fuck Sheriff Joe: 2012 Presidential Run Edition

Cervetus

DiannaoChong wrote: »

Bionic Monkey wrote: »

DiannaoChong wrote: »

My question, is what will happen when he isnt re-elected? Will he usurp and declare martial law that the vote was fixed?

He's a little dictator, but he's not stupid. This is still America, and despite 2000-2008, rule of law prevails here. That said, I'm curious whose job it is to rain down the wrath of hell on elected officials in a situation where he wouldn't step down.

I think most of the thread shows that he has very little respect for the rule of law. I am willing to bet in some fashion he refuses to leave office once losing an election.

There's certainly a lot of precedent for voter fraud and such in America, but people always step down when they lose. No matter how corrupt, evil, or power-hungry someone is there really is no other option.

Clevinger

Cervetus wrote: »

DiannaoChong wrote: »

Bionic Monkey wrote: »

DiannaoChong wrote: »

My question, is what will happen when he isnt re-elected? Will he usurp and declare martial law that the vote was fixed?

He's a little dictator, but he's not stupid. This is still America, and despite 2000-2008, rule of law prevails here. That said, I'm curious whose job it is to rain down the wrath of hell on elected officials in a situation where he wouldn't step down.

I think most of the thread shows that he has very little respect for the rule of law. I am willing to bet in some fashion he refuses to leave office once losing an election.

There's certainly a lot of precedent for voter fraud and such in America, but people always step down when they lose. No matter how corrupt, evil, or power-hungry someone is there really is no other option.

It's kind of unrelated, but the creator of the show Deadwood said the real life Seth Bullock locked himself up in his Sheriff's office for days when he lost in the election and for a little while refused to give up the position.

Sentry

Well, it looks like the officer isn't recieving any special treatment and is locked up tight.

http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/PoliticalInsider/68863

Just kidding. He has computer access and the Sheriff's department is refusing to say where he's being kept, citing "security concerns."

He could be at the freaking Biltmore for all anyone knows. Oh, and a +1 for coincidence, the officer's lawyer is the son of G. Gordan Liddy.

Dark_Side

Sentry wrote: »

Well, it looks like the officer isn't recieving any special treatment and is locked up tight.

http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/PoliticalInsider/68863

Just kidding. He has computer access and the Sheriff's department is refusing to say where he's being kept, citing "security concerns."

He could be at the freaking Biltmore for all anyone knows. Oh, and a +1 for coincidence, the officer's lawyer is the son of G. Gordan Liddy.

They have a point with security concerns, and he certainly couldn't be put in with the general population without threatening his safety, but still, some enterprising reporter should figure out where the guy lives and take a gander on over to his house, as I wouldn't put it past Arpaio to simply put him on house arrest. Regardless they aren't giving up his whereabouts anytime soon, because this guy is most definitely not serving time like most have to in Maricopa county.

Cervetus

Clevinger wrote: »

Cervetus wrote: »

DiannaoChong wrote: »

Bionic Monkey wrote: »

DiannaoChong wrote: »

My question, is what will happen when he isnt re-elected? Will he usurp and declare martial law that the vote was fixed?

He's a little dictator, but he's not stupid. This is still America, and despite 2000-2008, rule of law prevails here. That said, I'm curious whose job it is to rain down the wrath of hell on elected officials in a situation where he wouldn't step down.

I think most of the thread shows that he has very little respect for the rule of law. I am willing to bet in some fashion he refuses to leave office once losing an election.

There's certainly a lot of precedent for voter fraud and such in America, but people always step down when they lose. No matter how corrupt, evil, or power-hungry someone is there really is no other option.

It's kind of unrelated, but the creator of the show Deadwood said the real life Seth Bullock locked himself up in his Sheriff's office for days when he lost in the election and for a little while refused to give up the position.

Well for a while there was a mustache clause in most American laws. Why do you think so many men had them? Because it looked good?

Armored Gorilla

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2009/12/andrew_thomas_offers_no_eviden.php

Maricopa County Attorney Andrew Thomas this afternoon struggled to explain his decision to charge the county's presiding criminal court judge, Gary Donahoe, with three felony counts --bribery, obstructing a criminal investigation, and hindering prosecution.

But Thomas couldn't offer any evidence to the assembled media scrum that Donahoe actually had accepted a bribe of any sort. Instead, he and Sheriff Joe Arpaio (who stood next to Thomas at the lectern) offered the same vague allegations they have made for nearly a year regarding the county's planned court tower, currently under construction.

Donahoe also is the same judge who ordered detention officer Adam Stoddard to jail last week for swiping a defense attorney's notes -- drawing Sheriff Joe's ire.

joshofalltrades

This sort of thing doesn't even surprise me anymore

Anytime you see a link followed by quotes in a Sheriff Joe thread it just means he's done something dumb and/or horrible again

emnmnme

Armored Gorilla wrote: »

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2009/12/andrew_thomas_offers_no_eviden.php

Maricopa County Attorney Andrew Thomas this afternoon struggled to explain his decision to charge the county's presiding criminal court judge, Gary Donahoe, with three felony counts --bribery, obstructing a criminal investigation, and hindering prosecution.

But Thomas couldn't offer any evidence to the assembled media scrum that Donahoe actually had accepted a bribe of any sort. Instead, he and Sheriff Joe Arpaio (who stood next to Thomas at the lectern) offered the same vague allegations they have made for nearly a year regarding the county's planned court tower, currently under construction.

Donahoe also is the same judge who ordered detention officer Adam Stoddard to jail last week for swiping a defense attorney's notes -- drawing Sheriff Joe's ire.

I don't understand. Are they trying to smudge this judge Donahoe's career because they're petty? I'd expect they'd want the judge to back down from supporting an investigation or intimidate him or something strategic but the blog article makes it sound like they're just throwing a tantrum. Perhaps this Sheriff Joe isn't the evil tactician I assumed he was...

AngelHedgie

emnmnme wrote: »

Armored Gorilla wrote: »

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2009/12/andrew_thomas_offers_no_eviden.php

Maricopa County Attorney Andrew Thomas this afternoon struggled to explain his decision to charge the county's presiding criminal court judge, Gary Donahoe, with three felony counts --bribery, obstructing a criminal investigation, and hindering prosecution.

But Thomas couldn't offer any evidence to the assembled media scrum that Donahoe actually had accepted a bribe of any sort. Instead, he and Sheriff Joe Arpaio (who stood next to Thomas at the lectern) offered the same vague allegations they have made for nearly a year regarding the county's planned court tower, currently under construction.

Donahoe also is the same judge who ordered detention officer Adam Stoddard to jail last week for swiping a defense attorney's notes -- drawing Sheriff Joe's ire.

I don't understand. Are they trying to smudge this judge Donahoe's career because they're petty? I'd expect they'd want the judge to back down from supporting an investigation or intimidate him or something strategic but the blog article makes it sound like they're just throwing a tantrum. Perhaps this Sheriff Joe isn't the evil tactician I assumed he was...

This is how Sheriff Joe intimidates people - you don't do what he wants, you're now suddenly under investigation. The problem is that when people opposed to you seem to always wind up under investigation, even the most incurious reporter is going to eventually figure out that the charges are bogus.

Edit: This may be the breaking point, though - going after a judge like this hopefully will get the attention of the Arizona Bar, who will realize that it is long since due for Thomas to explain why he should still be a member of the Bar.

emnmnme

Man, I thought he was Lex Luthor or something. He built a tent city in the desert and runs Maricopa county - everyone is afraid of him. Well, Lex Luthor can get pretty petty but you know what I mean. I thought he knew how to pick his battles.

Clevinger

AngelHedgie wrote: »

emnmnme wrote: »

Armored Gorilla wrote: »

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2009/12/andrew_thomas_offers_no_eviden.php

Maricopa County Attorney Andrew Thomas this afternoon struggled to explain his decision to charge the county's presiding criminal court judge, Gary Donahoe, with three felony counts --bribery, obstructing a criminal investigation, and hindering prosecution.

But Thomas couldn't offer any evidence to the assembled media scrum that Donahoe actually had accepted a bribe of any sort. Instead, he and Sheriff Joe Arpaio (who stood next to Thomas at the lectern) offered the same vague allegations they have made for nearly a year regarding the county's planned court tower, currently under construction.

Donahoe also is the same judge who ordered detention officer Adam Stoddard to jail last week for swiping a defense attorney's notes -- drawing Sheriff Joe's ire.

I don't understand. Are they trying to smudge this judge Donahoe's career because they're petty? I'd expect they'd want the judge to back down from supporting an investigation or intimidate him or something strategic but the blog article makes it sound like they're just throwing a tantrum. Perhaps this Sheriff Joe isn't the evil tactician I assumed he was...

This is how Sheriff Joe intimidates people - you don't do what he wants, you're now suddenly under investigation. The problem is that when people opposed to you seem to always wind up under investigation, even the most incurious reporter is going to eventually figure out that the charges are bogus.

Actually, they go after reporters, too.

jhunter46

To be fair though, the Sheriff and Thomas aren't the only ones in the wrong in Maricopa County.

Mary Rose Wilcox, if the allegations are true, is in a lot of trouble. A Grand Jury thought there was enough evidence to merit an indictment. You can't secretly get loans from a group and then provide them with public funding, that's a no-no.

Raynaga

AngelHedgie wrote: »

emnmnme wrote: »

Armored Gorilla wrote: »

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2009/12/andrew_thomas_offers_no_eviden.php

Maricopa County Attorney Andrew Thomas this afternoon struggled to explain his decision to charge the county's presiding criminal court judge, Gary Donahoe, with three felony counts --bribery, obstructing a criminal investigation, and hindering prosecution.

But Thomas couldn't offer any evidence to the assembled media scrum that Donahoe actually had accepted a bribe of any sort. Instead, he and Sheriff Joe Arpaio (who stood next to Thomas at the lectern) offered the same vague allegations they have made for nearly a year regarding the county's planned court tower, currently under construction.

Donahoe also is the same judge who ordered detention officer Adam Stoddard to jail last week for swiping a defense attorney's notes -- drawing Sheriff Joe's ire.

I don't understand. Are they trying to smudge this judge Donahoe's career because they're petty? I'd expect they'd want the judge to back down from supporting an investigation or intimidate him or something strategic but the blog article makes it sound like they're just throwing a tantrum. Perhaps this Sheriff Joe isn't the evil tactician I assumed he was...

This is how Sheriff Joe intimidates people - you don't do what he wants, you're now suddenly under investigation. The problem is that when people opposed to you seem to always wind up under investigation, even the most incurious reporter is going to eventually figure out that the charges are bogus.

Edit: This may be the breaking point, though - going after a judge like this hopefully will get the attention of the Arizona Bar, who will realize that it is long since due for Thomas to explain why he should still be a member of the Bar.

I admire you for not having everything Joe-related up to this point not consume your soul.

At this point I'm convinced the only thing that will remove or punish him in any way is a kryptonite asteroid hitting the Earth.

PantsB

Bionic Monkey wrote: »

DiannaoChong wrote: »

My question, is what will happen when he isnt re-elected? Will he usurp and declare martial law that the vote was fixed?

He's a little dictator, but he's not stupid. This is still America, and despite 2000-2008, rule of law prevails here. That said, I'm curious whose job it is to rain down the wrath of hell on elected officials in a situation where he wouldn't step down.

The National Guard I'd say and federal marshals under the direction of the President I'd say. Insurrection is frowned on

DarkPrimus

...So we can convince him that wearing a ring made from the asteroid will keep judges away from him, when all it will do is give him terminal cancer?

Raynaga

So apparently the Feds are becoming increasingly involved.

This week, the Phoenix Business Journal reported that the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) had set up an Arpaio-specific hotline for Maricopa County residents to report suspected wrongdoing by MCSO related to "crime sweeps, traffic stops, and immigration raids." In March, the DOJ announced an investigation into alleged patterns of racial discrimination based on national origin

When connecting to the DOJ's Arpaio tip line, it says, "You have reached the U.S. Department of Justice Civil Rights Division, Maricopa County Sheriff's Office investigation line." Then it prompts the listener to choose between English and Spanish. By lunchtime Wednesday, both the English and Spanish mailboxes were full. They have been full throughout the week and are still full as of Saturday morning. The toll free number for the tip line is 877-613-2137.

Oh, and the Judge who wanted to throw a deputy in jail for stealing court papers?

Donahoe is also the same judge who suffered the retaliation of an entire cadre of Arpaio's deputies last week after he held Deputy Adam Stoddard in contempt of court for taking an attorney's privileged papers out of her briefcase and make copies of them in the middle of a court session ... Though Thomas indicted Judge Donahoe for bribery (among other things), Thomas concedes that no money has changed hands. However, he says Donahoe stood to gain indirectly by the completion of the court tower (where Donahoe's court offices would be located)

The article also includes a full list of the political opponents who have been indicted or had search warrants executed against them, and its ridiculous in its length.

override367

Am I a bad person if I think that Joe getting shot by a guardsman for refusing to step down would be a pretty dandy end for this?

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Phant

electricitylikesme wrote: »

override367 wrote: »

Am I a bad person if I think that Joe getting shot by a guardsman for refusing to step down would be a pretty dandy end for this?

Not in my book. It'd be a message to all the other would-be dictactors in the US.

Speaking of, is Vegas giving odds on him being perp-walked against him going out in a hail of gunfire?

Phoenix-D

override367 wrote: »

Am I a bad person if I think that Joe getting shot by a guardsman for refusing to step down would be a pretty dandy end for this?

Yes. If nothing else it would give the rest of the idiots in Maricopa County a martyr. (reminder: He keeps getting elected, and there is a sizable group APPLAUDING stuff like steal defense attorney's papers)

Rust

Phoenix-D wrote: »

override367 wrote: »

Am I a bad person if I think that Joe getting shot by a guardsman for refusing to step down would be a pretty dandy end for this?

Yes. If nothing else it would give the rest of the idiots in Maricopa County a martyr. (reminder: He keeps getting elected, and there is a sizable group APPLAUDING stuff like steal defense attorney's papers)

doesn't matter if he becomes a martyr, he'll still be out of the picture

someone else would have a hard time going as far as he did

override367

If he goes out in a hail of gunfire it'll be a while before we see another Sheriff Joe, because even if his replacement is as evil, he'll be cautious for a time to avoid a similar fate

Psychotic One

Some how I picture in Joe's head that his retirement will play out a bit like Judge Dredd Mythos. When he steps down as sheriff, he'll be given a shotgun with a big bag of ammo and sent to walked the ruined earth, I mean Mexico, and bring law to the lawless.

Dark_Side

Psychotic One wrote: »

Some how I picture in Joe's head that his retirement will play out a bit like Judge Dredd Mythos. When he steps down as sheriff, he'll be given a shotgun with a big bag of ammo and sent to walked the ruined earth, I mean Mexico, and bring law to the lawless.

Well that's all well and good, but although Joe sells a law and order image, he actually does very little to combat actual crime. I can't remember the number, but it's pretty staggering the amount of warrants they ignore and felony crime statistics in general for Phoenix. Joe's method is making a scapegoat out of the helpless and downtrodden, and making life miserable for people in jail for petty crime.

Bama

Dark_Side wrote: »

Psychotic One wrote: »

Some how I picture in Joe's head that his retirement will play out a bit like Judge Dredd Mythos. When he steps down as sheriff, he'll be given a shotgun with a big bag of ammo and sent to walked the ruined earth, I mean Mexico, and bring law to the lawless.

Well that's all well and good, but although Joe sells a law and order image, he actually does very little to combat actual crime. I can't remember the number, but it's pretty staggering the amount of warrants they ignore and felony crime statistics in general for Phoenix. Joe's method is making a scapegoat out of the helpless and downtrodden, and making life miserable for people in jail for petty crime.

Right, but the best place for him to continue his actual crusade is Mexico. I mean, the place is full of those damn immigrants!

Tomanta

Dark_Side wrote: »

Psychotic One wrote: »

Some how I picture in Joe's head that his retirement will play out a bit like Judge Dredd Mythos. When he steps down as sheriff, he'll be given a shotgun with a big bag of ammo and sent to walked the ruined earth, I mean Mexico, and bring law to the lawless.

Well that's all well and good, but although Joe sells a law and order image, he actually does very little to combat actual crime. I can't remember the number, but it's pretty staggering the amount of warrants they ignore and felony crime statistics in general for Phoenix. Joe's method is making a scapegoat out of the helpless and downtrodden, and making life miserable for people in jail for petty crime.

But imagine how much WORSE crime would be without pink underwear and the anti-immigrant patrol!

Taramoor

Tomanta wrote: »

Dark_Side wrote: »

Psychotic One wrote: »

Some how I picture in Joe's head that his retirement will play out a bit like Judge Dredd Mythos. When he steps down as sheriff, he'll be given a shotgun with a big bag of ammo and sent to walked the ruined earth, I mean Mexico, and bring law to the lawless.

Well that's all well and good, but although Joe sells a law and order image, he actually does very little to combat actual crime. I can't remember the number, but it's pretty staggering the amount of warrants they ignore and felony crime statistics in general for Phoenix. Joe's method is making a scapegoat out of the helpless and downtrodden, and making life miserable for people in jail for petty crime.

But imagine how much WORSE crime would be without pink underwear and the anti-immigrant patrol!

"Lisa, I want to buy your rock."

Sterica

So Joe is forcing his inmates to endure Christmas music 24/7.

Taramoor

Rorus Raz wrote: »

So Joe is forcing his inmates to endure Christmas music 24/7.

Just like the rest of us, then?

I can't really get angry about that.

Couscous

Rorus Raz wrote: »

So Joe is forcing his inmates to endure Christmas music 24/7.

So people in his jail are going to have Christmas associated with horrible experiences now?

enlightenedbum

So what, he let them watch TV after Halloween?

Dark_Side

Something so wrong about getting a beat down by a gang armed with loose sticks of rebar while horrible christmas music plays in the background.

Shadowen

Dark_Side wrote: »

Something so wrong about getting a beat down by a gang armed with loose sticks of rebar while horrible christmas music plays in the background.

I've always thought certain of the less obvious Christmas carols were excellent for dramatic scenes.

Preacher

Shadowen wrote: »

Dark_Side wrote: »

Something so wrong about getting a beat down by a gang armed with loose sticks of rebar while horrible christmas music plays in the background.

I've always thought certain of the less obvious Christmas carols were excellent for dramatic scenes.

I've always though Santa's coming to town was perfect for a serial killer. I mean that song is fucking creepy.

AngelHedgie

Joe sends deputies out to intimidate judiciary assistants.

I think this quote sums things up:

That Joe Arpaio is real, and not some over-the-top character in a Grisham novel, is rather disturbing.

Dark_Side

AngelHedgie wrote: »

Joe sends deputies out to intimidate judiciary assistants.

I think this quote sums things up:

That Joe Arpaio is real, and not some over-the-top character in a Grisham novel, is rather disturbing.

This guy is seriously something else. One of these days he's going to mess with the wrong person and find himself in serious legal trouble. I just wish Maricopa voters weren't so damn willing to enable the guy.

Psychotic One

Old people love him because he keeps them illegals from their homes. And Maricopa has way to many retirees.

Bionic Monkey

Dark_Side wrote: »

AngelHedgie wrote: »

Joe sends deputies out to intimidate judiciary assistants.

I think this quote sums things up:

That Joe Arpaio is real, and not some over-the-top character in a Grisham novel, is rather disturbing.

This guy is seriously something else. One of these days he's going to mess with the wrong person and find himself dead. I just wish Maricopa voters weren't so damn willing to enable the guy.

Dark_Side

The only thing Joe has to worry about is the very likely heart attack in his near future, guy looks like he's totally ballooned now that he's on the government's teat.

joshofalltrades

Dark_Side wrote: »

The only thing Joe has to worry about is the very likely heart attack in his near future

Obvious