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speed problems (once again)

RamiusRamius Joined: July 19, 2000Administrator, ClubPA admin
Just figured I'd preempt the inevitable thread.

We're having some speed problems related to network connectivity between the webserver and the database server. HomeLAN has been notified and we just need to wait for it to be resolved. In the mean time, pageload times of between 6 and 40 seconds seems to be typical.

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  • DogDog Registered User, Administrator, Vanilla Staff admin
    edited March 2004
    I'm going to lunch. I will be back in an hour. I expect you to have this problem solved by the time I get back, or no dessert for you tonite, mister.

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  • OrthancOrthanc Death Lite, Only 1 Calorie Off the end of the internet, just turn left.Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2004
    Jesus fuck my eye christ.

    Gifthorse + mouth and all that, but I'm suprised the people that are paying them for hosting havn't complained about this stuff

    Orthanc on
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  • MulletudeMulletude Registered User regular
    edited March 2004
    Is it still bad for everyone else? Seems to have sped up here in the last hour for me.

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  • CorvusCorvus . VancouverRegistered User regular
    edited March 2004
    Hmmm. I haven't noticed much slow down at all on my end.

    Corvus on
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  • FerryFerry Registered User regular
    edited March 2004
    Orthanc wrote:
    Jesus fuck my eye christ.

    Gifthorse + mouth and all that, but I'm suprised the people that are paying them for hosting havn't complained about this stuff
    Maybe this is kinda like the ghetto charity server of homelan. Kinda like giving your nephew a free car, but the car is a used Ford Omni with 300k miles on it.

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  • DogDog Registered User, Administrator, Vanilla Staff admin
    edited March 2004
    One would think that if they reopened the 'donation bin' that they'd have more than enough money to get a host that's a bit more reliable. Most dedicated server hosts are in the $100/month range which include a sizable amount of bandwidth. With the fanbase PA has, I see no reason why $100 or so a month wouldn't be attainable.

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  • KungFuKungFu Registered User regular
    edited March 2004
    Im surprised a new host for PA is not on the to-do list. . .

    KungFu on
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  • denihilistdenihilist Ancient and Mighty Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited March 2004
    KungFu wrote:
    Im surprised a new host for PA is not on the to-do list. . .

    For their services homelan charges PA absolutely nothing. Not a dime. So it's hard to beat the price.

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  • DogDog Registered User, Administrator, Vanilla Staff admin
    edited March 2004
    Ferreous wrote:
    Maybe this is kinda like the ghetto charity server of homelan. Kinda like giving your nephew a free car, but the car is a used Ford Omni with 300k miles on it.

    The current system is comprised of 4-6 high-end webservers and an ultra-powerful databae server. The database server processes an average of 200+ queries per second and probably upwards of 400 per second at peak usage.

    The webservers transfer somewhere on the order of 3.5-5.0 terabytes of data per month, just for Penny-Arcade, plus they are shared by other homelan hosted sites. All of the penny-arcade pages are dynamically generated through the php scripting engine.

    A Ford Omni, this is not.



    EDIT: oops. This is Ramius, BTW. I had received a PM to this account so I logged in to check it, and then promptly forgot who I was logged in as.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2004
    PA should bring back the donation system. if for nothing else, upgrade the servers that HomeLan uses.

    i wouldn't mind chipping in every now and then so they can buy more stuff to speed us up :?

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  • DogDog Registered User, Administrator, Vanilla Staff admin
    edited March 2004
    Penny Arcade uses 5TB of data transfer each month?

    I understand PA is immensely popular and so are the boards, but 5TB seems an awful lot.

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  • waynewayne Registered User regular
    edited March 2004
    True. I'm sure given the amount of traffic that streamlining files on the site would help. If you can shave off a few kb here and there, specifically on images and the like, this would be less of a problem. After all, 1kb times 1,000,000 page views of course is a Gigabyte of transfer.

    So I'm sure if someone had the time to really streamline things, we'd be better off.

    While it would never be implemented, I'm not opposed to the forums going on a seperate server, forcing you to register before viewing, offering a two week trial, then forcing you to pay $10 a year for use of the forums. $10 isn't a whole lot, and only once a year, that's nothing. With the number of active members who I am sure would be willing to pay less than a dollar a month for the forums, it would pull in enough revenue to cover the forum's traffic, and perhaps even cover any additional costs that Gabe and Tycho might have to deal with for the main site.

    But of course this would never happen since I'm sure a lot of people think the forums shoiuld be free, but if anything, the $10 a year would get rid of people who come in just to goatse the place. Then you wouldn't have to IP ban and shit. Just close their account and don't refund them the remainder of the $10 for the year.

    I'm sure something like this would more than work, but it will never be implemented.

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  • TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited March 2004
    The next time you suggest something, I'm killing one of your pets.

    Tube on
  • RamiusRamius Joined: July 19, 2000 Administrator, ClubPA admin
    edited March 2004
    5TB is the liberal side of the estimate. I would put it realistically closer to 3.5

    And wayne, I am doing work at optimizing right now. This is one of the projects that never got attention when my time went heavily into the forums. I'm gonna make a thread right now for some people to hopefully help me test a slimmed-down newspage.

    Ramius on
  • waynewayne Registered User regular
    edited March 2004
    I was not aware there was any optimizing going on. It's good to hear that it's in progress.
    The next time you suggest something, I'm killing one of your pets.

    You can afford an internet connection, but an extra 95 cents a month(or whatever it averages to) is too much?

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  • denihilistdenihilist Ancient and Mighty Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited March 2004
    wayne wrote:
    You can afford an internet connection, but an extra 95 cents a month(or whatever it averages to) is too much?

    Technically it would only be $5 a year for CT because he's british.

    For me, it's the elitism.

    denihilist on
  • OrthancOrthanc Death Lite, Only 1 Calorie Off the end of the internet, just turn left.Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2004
    wayne wrote:
    I was not aware there was any optimizing going on. It's good to hear that it's in progress.
    The next time you suggest something, I'm killing one of your pets.

    You can afford an internet connection, but an extra 95 cents a month(or whatever it averages to) is too much?

    I used to donate more than that to clubPA so it wouldn't bother me.
    But a lot of people here don't have a credit card.
    Also the forum would be far smaler if it was pay, something I don't think would be an improvement.

    Orthanc on
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  • waynewayne Registered User regular
    edited March 2004
    Elitism? How so? That you have to pay for bandwidth you use?

    Perhaps the trick is to just put up a half dozen banner and tower ads built into the forums. Regular accounts can see the ads. $10 a year paid accounts don't see the ads. Hell...I'd pay $10 a year so I didn't have to see that stupid google ad.

    Maybe instead of a completely private forum, just have the ads serve as a way to motivate payment. It's probably more realistic that way as it is.

    Either way, I doubt either option will happen, but to offer us an ad free forum for $10 a year...I'd take you guys up on that. Even with just hte one google ad right now. If there was a way to quickly program accounts to not pull up that ad and to just pretend it's not there, it may be a way for some of us who can afford $10 a year to help support the hosting of the forums better than we would with ads we will never click on anyhow.

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  • denihilistdenihilist Ancient and Mighty Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited March 2004
    Well, a lot of people live at home with no credit cards, no job and free internet. "Hey mom, will you pay $10 so I can waste my time on the internet?"

    SA has pay forums. The reason it works is because they have a large porn section, something I don't think we'll do here.

    So essentially the forum would die.

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  • OrthancOrthanc Death Lite, Only 1 Calorie Off the end of the internet, just turn left.Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2004
    denihilist wrote:
    Well, a lot of people live at home with no credit cards, no job and free internet. "Hey mom, will you pay $10 so I can waste my time on the internet?"

    SA has pay forums. The reason it works is because they have a large porn section, something I don't think we'll do here.

    So essentially the forum would die.

    I don't think it would die. But it would be less active that CoT.

    Orthanc on
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  • RamiusRamius Joined: July 19, 2000 Administrator, ClubPA admin
    edited March 2004
    collecting money introduces a number of issues that I don't think we want to deal with when it comes to the forums.

    For one, there is management costs - for instance under clubPA, there was time spent preparing the monthly "gift", managing the email list of people who get the gift, fielding questions about donations, about the gift, and about ClubPA. The time spent for adding people who wanted access to the ClubPA forum.

    There is also the issue of, when people pay for a service, they come to expect a higher level of service. While I agree that with proper funding and moving the forum off to its own host, we could probably increase stability, I don't want to deal with the politics of people with vested interest in the forum feeling they have more say in how it is run, or complaining when there are technical outages.

    Some forums can thrive on community funding and community organizational structure. In fact, I know a fairly popular one just across the bridge, and its filled with people with similar interests to the PA forum crowd. But going to something like that here would be a fundamental restructuring of how we perceive and run the Penny-Arcade forums, and I don't see it happening any time soon.

    Ramius on
  • waynewayne Registered User regular
    edited March 2004
    Well, like I said, I didn't see it happening...

    BUT! I know some forums that have a special usergroup for people who donate money. They get a special title to make them feel like they are cool. While that may not be enough, if there was a way to link these usergroups to something in a script on the site that said "DO NOT DISPLAY THIS AD FOR THIS USERGROUP" it might be a way to motivate donations.

    I think that would be less complicated than forcing everyone to pay. Overall though, I just feel like if I don't have to pay for the forums, why should I? As a visitor, I need a reason. Since it's only $10, getting rid of the one ad we have on the forums, or coming up with some other little perk is enough to get me to part with my $10 to help support the site.

    But hey, that's just me. I could be the only guy who thinks like this.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2004
    wayne wrote:
    Well, like I said, I didn't see it happening...

    BUT! I know some forums that have a special usergroup for people who donate money. They get a special title to make them feel like they are cool. While that may not be enough, if there was a way to link these usergroups to something in a script on the site that said "DO NOT DISPLAY THIS AD FOR THIS USERGROUP" it might be a way to motivate donations.

    I think that would be less complicated than forcing everyone to pay. Overall though, I just feel like if I don't have to pay for the forums, why should I? As a visitor, I need a reason. Since it's only $10, getting rid of the one ad we have on the forums, or coming up with some other little perk is enough to get me to part with my $10 to help support the site.

    But hey, that's just me. I could be the only guy who thinks like this.
    PA should bring back the donation system. if for nothing else, upgrade the servers that HomeLan uses.

    i wouldn't mind chipping in every now and then so they can buy more stuff to speed us up :?

    however, i could care less about the ads. since i ignore them mostly anyway.

    but if it is too much of a hassle (i think that is what they are getting at) to collect the money, then it probably isn't worth the extra bang.

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  • waynewayne Registered User regular
    edited March 2004
    Donations alone should be easy. Have Gabe and Tycho setup a Paypal account and we can donate to it. All money goes to the same place, and there you go.

    But yeah, just trying to keep up with paying for a better server, donations or not, even for just the forums could very well be too much hassle. I wouldn't know. I obviously don't run a website this popular...

    ...yet ;)

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2004
    ...ever :wink:

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