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Pre Fight Debate Thread: Brackets 21 & 22

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    The Muffin ManThe Muffin Man Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    The real question is do we want Taskmaster vs Shiva, or Taskmaster vs Gentlemen Ghost?

    I say Lady Shiva and Taskmaster go on. Just because The man who can mimic anyones moves vs the woman who can read anyones moves will be a fucking awesome fight.
    An unmarked grave in the potter's field, most likely (lest we forget, only one lucky screw actually gets to walk away from this tournament).
    And when Ultron or Despero are standing between you and gold, it's a safe bet nothing short of the Avengers, Justice League, Fantastic Four and JSA all flying out of the sky to fight them is gonna give you a win.

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    ExcessiveKnifeExcessiveKnife Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    For some reason I'm inclined to doubt Lady Shiva is a virgin.

    I know her old man was as abusive as all get-out, but still. Besides, GG's been untouchable purely by virtue of the fact that no virgins or royalty have thrown down against him. It would be nice to see his one and only actual weakness turned around and taken upside his head.

    P.S. The triple-pun in the second sentence was unintentional.

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    ExcessiveKnifeExcessiveKnife Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    I say Lady Shiva and Taskmaster go on. Just because The man who can mimic anyones moves vs the woman who can read anyones moves will be a fucking awesome fight.

    ****, wasn't even thinking that when I backed the two. Put them unarmed in the training outfits of their choice at the bottom of a small waterfall, and you are looking at solid gold.

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    The Muffin ManThe Muffin Man Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    I say Lady Shiva and Taskmaster go on. Just because The man who can mimic anyones moves vs the woman who can read anyones moves will be a fucking awesome fight.

    ****, wasn't even thinking that when I backed the two. Put them unarmed in the training outfits of their choice at the bottom of a small waterfall, and you are looking at solid gold.

    You can swear here.

    Shit, fuck, cock, pussy, cunt, goddamnit, twat, balls.

    See? :) All clear.

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    Bloods EndBloods End Blade of Tyshalle Punch dimensionRegistered User regular
    edited January 2007
    I say Lady Shiva and Taskmaster go on. Just because The man who can mimic anyones moves vs the woman who can read anyones moves will be a fucking awesome fight.

    ****, wasn't even thinking that when I backed the two. Put them unarmed in the training outfits of their choice at the bottom of a small waterfall, and you are looking at solid gold.

    You can swear here.

    Shit, fuck, cock, pussy, cunt, goddamnit, twat, balls.

    See? :) All clear.

    Banned.

    Also, there has to be some sort of balancing for Lady Shiva vs GG. Otherwise it's not a fight just some sort of...whatever.

    Maybe Stoneheinge's magical fields interferre and turn GG corporial?

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited January 2007
    guys you're forgetting this is Murderworld so they are also trying real hard not to get killed by crazy exploding jack in the boxes and pinball machines

    Advantage: Taskmaster

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    BlackjackBlackjack Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Has Lady Shiva's... um... status... ever been expressly stated? I'm pretty sure she isn't related to the Crown, but there is that other hitch...

    She screwed Cain at least once.

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    The LuggageThe Luggage Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    She's Batgirl's mother.

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    BionicPenguinBionicPenguin Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Artificial insemination?

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    BlackjackBlackjack Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Artificial insemination?

    Panel of them doing it in issue 73, actually.

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    skippydumptruckskippydumptruck begin again Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Blackjack wrote:
    Artificial insemination?

    Panel of them doing it in issue 73, actually.

    Retconned to immaculate conception? Either way, the stupid ghost is going to win the tournament if someone doesn't think of something. I'm sticking with the fact that he will have to become corporeal to hit her, and she will (re)kill him then.

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    Spectre-xSpectre-x Rating: AWESOME YESRegistered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Couldn't he become corporeal while staying invisible? And what about just touching Shiva?

    I sincerely doubt that a normal human could hurt a ghost, corporeal or otherwise, especially since there's no vital organs to injure.

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    CrayonCrayon Sleeps in the wrong bed. TejasRegistered User regular
    edited January 2007
    For once I agree with Spectre and his long winded nonsense. A long fight but Taskmaster just has more "umpf."

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    Spectre-xSpectre-x Rating: AWESOME YESRegistered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Crayon wrote:
    For once I agree with Spectre and his long winded nonsense. A long fight but Taskmaster just has more "umpf."

    When other people give a rundown of how the fight would go, it's neat, but the first time I do the same thing it immediately becomes nonsense?

    Thank you very much.





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    JudasJudas Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Guys, I have an immense amount of respect for any fancy lad who insists on dressing up in a monocle, top hat and other assorted finery each time they set out to conquer the world...but seriously, is a character as cool as Lady Shiva going to go out like this? :|

    At this rate, I too foresee the Gentleman Ghost sweeping the whole damn tournament, just because i don't see how he can lose.

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    Mai-KeroMai-Kero Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Judas wrote:
    Guys, I have an immense amount of respect for any fancy lad who insists on dressing up in a monocle, top hat and other assorted finery each time they set out to conquer the world...but seriously, is a character as cool as Lady Shiva going to go out like this? :|

    At this rate, I too foresee the Gentleman Ghost sweeping the whole damn tournament, just because i don't see how he can lose.

    Without his pistols he has to become tangible to hit anyone.

    So Lady Shiva kicks his ass in this round.

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    MonkeydryeMonkeydrye Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Mai-Kero wrote:
    Judas wrote:
    Guys, I have an immense amount of respect for any fancy lad who insists on dressing up in a monocle, top hat and other assorted finery each time they set out to conquer the world...but seriously, is a character as cool as Lady Shiva going to go out like this? :|

    At this rate, I too foresee the Gentleman Ghost sweeping the whole damn tournament, just because i don't see how he can lose.

    Without his pistols he has to become tangible to hit anyone.

    So Lady Shiva kicks his ass in this round.

    I love when people try to rationalize impossible bullshit. He took on the JSA, he can take Shiva...sorry.

    Besides, I can see other people hurting him...could someone as smart as Ultron modulate his energy blasts to hit him? Maybe. Could Despero mind blast him...I think so. Besides, you people knew going in that some of these Villains were going to own other villains. The likes of Shiva or Bullseye would have 0 chance of beating real powerhouses. The only reason they are still around is because Doomlikes to toy with the little people, and make his fights fun and "fair". Otherwise he could have paired them up with some uber dude in round one and they would be DEAD.

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    RonnieWooWoo!RonnieWooWoo! Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Judas wrote:
    At this rate, I too foresee the Gentleman Ghost sweeping the whole damn tournament, just because i don't see how he can lose.

    He can lose easily, he just has to wind up fighting somebody who's either familiar with magic (Loki, Doom) or something that doesn't care if you shoot at it or make it cold (Ultron, Nimrod). GG has just gotten a lucky draw so far, coming up against opponents that are all human and vulnerable to his particular brand of bullshit.

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    MonkeydryeMonkeydrye Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Judas wrote:
    At this rate, I too foresee the Gentleman Ghost sweeping the whole damn tournament, just because i don't see how he can lose.

    He can lose easily, he just has to wind up fighting somebody who's either familiar with magic (Loki, Doom) or something that doesn't care if you shoot at it or make it cold (Ultron, Nimrod). GG has just gotten a lucky draw so far, coming up against opponents that are all human and vulnerable to his particular brand of bullshit.

    I wouldn't call it a lucky draw...Doom has been trying to do pair ups that are a bit closer. I mean, Taskmaster v Bullseye is a "lucky draw". If they went up against a Loki or Doom, they would be dead, and fast.

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    skippydumptruckskippydumptruck begin again Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Monkeydrye wrote:
    Besides, I can see other people hurting him...could someone as smart as Ultron modulate his energy blasts to hit him? Maybe. Could Despero mind blast him...I think so. Besides, you people knew going in that some of these Villains were going to own other villains. The likes of Shiva or Bullseye would have 0 chance of beating real powerhouses. The only reason they are still around is because Doomlikes to toy with the little people, and make his fights fun and "fair". Otherwise he could have paired them up with some uber dude in round one and they would be DEAD.

    Yeah, I don't know. I don't see energy blasts hitting something intangible, and we already established that mind control doesn't work on him or else one of the earlier matches (Purpleman?) would have gone differently.

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    DasUberEdwardDasUberEdward Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Everyone is forgetting that Bullseye isn't going into this fight blind. He knows every weapon Taskmaster will attempt to use against him and most importantly Taskmaster can not dodge what he can not see. Bullseye could have those thumbtacks ricocheting around the room for the duration of the fight and pepper taskys spine with them when he's otherwise occupied. The simple stuff will not work for Bullseye because he knows it all, Taskmaster is going to have to reach deep into his bag of tricks to pull off a win. As will Bullseye. I'm saying double KO. Taskmaster is forced to use his super speed for too long because it's the only way he can see where all of the projectiles are coming from and it results in his death as well as Bullseyes when Taskmaster uses his final burst of speed to throw one of the thumbtacks behind Bullseye causing a mechanized axe to fall right into the back of Bullseye's skull.

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    Caveman PawsCaveman Paws Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    G Ghost: I pick him simply because I'm bored of "martial artists."

    Taskmaster: Simply has more tricks up his sleeve than Bullseye. If Taskmaster can compete with the likes of DD and Spidey he won't have much trouble with Bullseye.

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    DoctorErebusDoctorErebus Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Taskmaster v. Bullseye - Brilliant! This fight would take three issues to play out, minimum. But in the end, I've gotta give it to the one-man Avengers, Taskmaster. A broken, bloodied, very tired Taskmaster suffering from a hundred tiny wounds or so, but victor nonetheless.

    Shiva v. Gentleman Ghost - Shiva. If he has to go solid to hit back, then that's all the chance she'll need.

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    MonkeydryeMonkeydrye Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    He doesn't have to go soloid to hit. He can hurt you while intangeable. At least that is what I remember from JSA.

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    Spectre-xSpectre-x Rating: AWESOME YESRegistered User regular
    edited January 2007
    I sincerely doubt that Bullseye knows as much about Taskmaster as Taskmaster knows about Bullseye.

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    The_LightbringerThe_Lightbringer Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Monkeydrye wrote:
    He doesn't have to go soloid to hit. He can hurt you while intangeable. At least that is what I remember from JSA.

    What...?

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    delphinusdelphinus Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Taskmaster v. Bullseye - Brilliant! This fight would take three issues to play out, minimum. But in the end, I've gotta give it to the one-man Avengers, Taskmaster. A broken, bloodied, very tired Taskmaster suffering from a hundred tiny wounds or so, but victor nonetheless.

    Shiva v. Gentleman Ghost - Shiva. If he has to go solid to hit back, then that's all the chance she'll need.

    YES.

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    MonkeydryeMonkeydrye Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Monkeydrye wrote:
    He doesn't have to go soloid to hit. He can hurt you while intangeable. At least that is what I remember from JSA.

    What...?

    He's like magic or something. When he touches it, it's like cold or painful or something. I would dig out the issues, but I really don't care enough :)

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited January 2007
    Need more info on GG ghost or I'm gonna call it for Shiva.

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    DasUberEdwardDasUberEdward Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Spectre-x wrote:
    I sincerely doubt that Bullseye knows as much about Taskmaster as Taskmaster knows about Bullseye.
    Why is that? Bullseye isn't an idiot. He can plot, scheme, and study along with the best of them. I'll give it to you that Taskmaster may be a bit more intelligent but as far as preperation is concerned both of them are aware of what they are against.

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    NinjaSquirrelNinjaSquirrel Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Spectre-x wrote:
    I sincerely doubt that Bullseye knows as much about Taskmaster as Taskmaster knows about Bullseye.
    Why is that? Bullseye isn't an idiot. He can plot, scheme, and study along with the best of them. I'll give it to you that Taskmaster may be a bit more intelligent but as far as preperation is concerned both of them are aware of what they are against.
    My guess is because there's so much more to have to know about Taskmaster. From the video you'd just get that he knows a couple of fighting styles and has an energy projection weapon that can mimic some other weapons. So Bullseye wouldn't know just all what Taskmaster could do.

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    Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Spectre-x wrote:
    I sincerely doubt that Bullseye knows as much about Taskmaster as Taskmaster knows about Bullseye.
    Why is that? Bullseye isn't an idiot. He can plot, scheme, and study along with the best of them. I'll give it to you that Taskmaster may be a bit more intelligent but as far as preperation is concerned both of them are aware of what they are against.
    My guess is because there's so much more to have to know about Taskmaster. From the video you'd just get that he knows a couple of fighting styles and has an energy projection weapon that can mimic some other weapons. So Bullseye wouldn't know just all what Taskmaster could do.

    They aren't from different universes, and are both rather [in]famous. I see no reason why Bullseye would *not* know Taskmaster's schtick.

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    MunchMunch Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Spectre-x wrote:
    I sincerely doubt that Bullseye knows as much about Taskmaster as Taskmaster knows about Bullseye.
    Why is that? Bullseye isn't an idiot. He can plot, scheme, and study along with the best of them. I'll give it to you that Taskmaster may be a bit more intelligent but as far as preperation is concerned both of them are aware of what they are against.

    I think it's more because Taskmaster, despite being really talented and powerful, is sort of an unknown due to his concious decisions to keep a low profile. Bullseye however, just loves being the center of attention during his huge rampages.

    Really, I think that Taskmaster has both a mental and physical edge over Bullseye. Bullseye tends to get blinded by his own ego and psychotic impulses. Taskmaster tends to be much more grounded; he knows when he needs to run, he focuses much more on getting the job done, not fucking around with theatrics, and he really doesn't have any hubris about what he does.

    I will say that Bullseye is a better marksman than Taskmaster, since even Agent X was a better shot than Taskmaster, but if Taskmaster can close the distance between him and Bullseye, before getting something sharp thrown into his brain, I think he can take Bullseye.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited January 2007
    There's a difference between knowing that someone can mimic the moves of anyone and planning to beat the moves of anyone.

    And since all Taskmaster does on Saturdays is sit down and watch recordings of people fighting, and since he has a perfect photographic memory, I'd give him the advantage in preperation.

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    GoodCitizenGoodCitizen Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Munch wrote:
    even Agent X was a better shot than Taskmaster.

    Agent X was an INCREDIBLY good shot. He inherited all of the Swan's shooting ability when he was 'created'.

    But ya, Bullseye is a WAY better shot than TM.

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    FiarynFiaryn Omnicidal Madman Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Munch wrote:
    even Agent X was a better shot than Taskmaster.

    Agent X was an INCREDIBLY good shot. He inherited all of the Swan's shooting ability when he was 'created'.

    But ya, Bullseye is a WAY better shot than TM.

    Actually according to Wikipedia Taskmaster has already mimicked Bullseye's perfect aim in the past, so he pretty much has that signature ability at the start of this fight.

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    Toji SuzuharaToji Suzuhara Southern CaliforniaRegistered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Fiaryn wrote:
    Munch wrote:
    even Agent X was a better shot than Taskmaster.

    Agent X was an INCREDIBLY good shot. He inherited all of the Swan's shooting ability when he was 'created'.

    But ya, Bullseye is a WAY better shot than TM.

    Actually according to Wikipedia Taskmaster has already mimicked Bullseye's perfect aim in the past, so he pretty much has that signature ability at the start of this fight.

    Copying how Bullseye throws a projectile doesn't mean that Taskmaster can aim as well as Bullseye.

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    NinjaSquirrelNinjaSquirrel Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    jeepguy wrote:
    Spectre-x wrote:
    I sincerely doubt that Bullseye knows as much about Taskmaster as Taskmaster knows about Bullseye.
    Why is that? Bullseye isn't an idiot. He can plot, scheme, and study along with the best of them. I'll give it to you that Taskmaster may be a bit more intelligent but as far as preperation is concerned both of them are aware of what they are against.
    My guess is because there's so much more to have to know about Taskmaster. From the video you'd just get that he knows a couple of fighting styles and has an energy projection weapon that can mimic some other weapons. So Bullseye wouldn't know just all what Taskmaster could do.

    They aren't from different universes, and are both rather [in]famous. I see no reason why Bullseye would *not* know Taskmaster's schtick.
    Yes, but just because he knows what Taskmaster can do doesn't mean he'll know how Taskmaster will fight him. With his array of styles he can keep Bullseye guessing on what he will be fighting.

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    deadonthestreetdeadonthestreet Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Ok guys it is going to go down like this:

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    Only Daredevil won't be there to catch the card.

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    TaskmasterTaskmaster Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    That's really interesting. Did I ever tell you I saw a guy catch bullets before? Because I did.

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