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While we're on the first page, it is my duty to re-emphasize a spectacular discovery that was entirely ignored the first time I mentioned it.
Seriously, it's mentioned like every 20 pages or so, but all these mods (the respec one, camp chest and this) should be put in the OP. Maybe in place of the whole 'which version to choose' if more space is needed, since I imagine the collector's edition is kind of hard to find now
I respecced out of assassin and into bard/duelist. It's pretty awesome. I'm dearly enjoying all the party buffs I can have going at once.
Telekinetic Weapons
Rally
Song of Courage
And when things get rough I just have Shale switch over to humongous-healing-and-stamina-regenerating aura and we become impossible to take down.
I really want to try all these non-standard parties. Warrior Templar PC, Alistair, Shale, and someone else who can be a Templar (Oghren? I think Sten's out). That could be hilariously ineffectual. Kind of the short-bus of damage dealers. No healing would be pretty shitty though.
I'm just starting the game. I got up to where you can first go to your camp, and I decided to go do the Warden's Keep. I'm near the end - I can choose wether to help Sophia or the Blood Mage, and there's the sequence where I have to defend one of the two while they close off the four summoning things on the ground.
I am getting GANKED by the time they close the 3rd portal. It's the wave that has two of the demons and two of the flame elemental dudes. I'm a warrior, and I've got Morrigan the mage, the rogue chick, and the other gray warden warrior. We're all level six. I didn't have problems with anything up to this point, but holy crap...I'm thinking I just need to buy a bunch of health potions or something.
Also - I really want to kill them both.
Tips?
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End game Morrigan stuff, and Morrigan's sidequest:
I wish, if you took Flemeth's deal, that after telling her that she's basically a crazy, evil bitch there was some sort of option where you could be like "Oh, by the way, I lied when I said I killed your mother. Enjoy living in fear."
Hate her so much.
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I wish, if you took Flemeth's deal, that after telling her that she's basically a crazy, evil bitch there was some sort of option where you could be like "Oh, by the way, I lied when I said I killed your mother. Enjoy living in fear."
Hate her so much.
Yeah...really, while I made Morrigan not as bitchy with my manliness that kind of annoyed me. Game developers have to understand that when they put asshole characters in games, they have to give the player as many opportunities to take them down a peg as possible. Especially when the characters sound like hypocrites on multiple occasions without being any less smug about it. Honestly, I find nothing more annoying in RPGs than when they have the snotty "better than you" character, and all the developers does is give your characters chances to tell them how awesome they are.
I wish, if you took Flemeth's deal, that after telling her that she's basically a crazy, evil bitch there was some sort of option where you could be like "Oh, by the way, I lied when I said I killed your mother. Enjoy living in fear."
Hate her so much.
Yeah...really, while I made Morrigan not as bitchy with my manliness that kind of annoyed me. Game developers have to understand that when they put asshole characters in games, they have to give the player as many opportunities to take them down a peg as possible. Especially when the characters sound like hypocrites on multiple occasions without being any less smug about it. Honestly, I find nothing more annoying in RPGs than when they have the snotty "better than you" character, and all the developers does is give your characters chances to tell them how awesome they are.
Yeah. I kind of get the impression that the writers were typing all of Morrigan's lines with one hand and masturbating furiously with the other.
Apparently, if you tell her you should have killed her when you had the chance, she just walks away all "WELL NOW YOU'LL NEVER GET A CHANCE AGAIN"
Really, Morrigan? I won't get to kill you because you've turned around and walked away? Because, see, I have any number of flying death weapons right here at my disposal.
I see this complaint from time to time, but the alternative is to make up names for things, and then you end up with a much worse phenomenon: everything has a made-up name, and you need to refer to an in-game glossary to know what the hell anyone's saying.
"The therezim are a constant threat, but the Kol'hal will allow you to rekthekal them. May your flargnle protect you and zarat you."
It actually seems to be a Ferelden thing, their culture, fashions, and whatnot are considered rather bland. The npcs that aren't from Ferelden certainly seem to think so anyway. The other races and human civilizations seem to have more grandiose naming conventions than "The scary woods" or whatnot.
As for terms like darkspawn used by everyone? I mean it's generic, but its not too terrible. I can't imagine that had darkspawn been in medieval Europe they would have been named something more grandiose.
I wish, if you took Flemeth's deal, that after telling her that she's basically a crazy, evil bitch there was some sort of option where you could be like "Oh, by the way, I lied when I said I killed your mother. Enjoy living in fear."
Hate her so much.
Yeah...really, while I made Morrigan not as bitchy with my manliness that kind of annoyed me. Game developers have to understand that when they put asshole characters in games, they have to give the player as many opportunities to take them down a peg as possible. Especially when the characters sound like hypocrites on multiple occasions without being any less smug about it. Honestly, I find nothing more annoying in RPGs than when they have the snotty "better than you" character, and all the developers does is give your characters chances to tell them how awesome they are.
the thing that pissed me off the most about Morrigan
I see this complaint from time to time, but the alternative is to make up names for things, and then you end up with a much worse phenomenon: everything has a made-up name, and you need to refer to an in-game glossary to know what the hell anyone's saying.
"The therezim are a constant threat, but the Kol'hal will allow you to rekthekal them. May your flargnle protect you and zarat you."
I laughed way to hard at this. Especially flargnle.
they should have had an ending if you were evil the whole game and romanced her where you and her go off into the sunset with your demonspawn to cause shenanigans for civilization down the road
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they should have had an ending if you were evil the whole game and romanced her where you and her go off into the sunset with your demonspawn to cause shenanigans for civilization down the road
I'm guessing the demigod baby child is one of three things: maybe its the PC for the next game, maybe its the big bad for the second game, or maybe it'll just show up as a sidequest depending on your choice with it.
they should have had an ending if you were evil the whole game and romanced her where you and her go off into the sunset with your demonspawn to cause shenanigans for civilization down the road
I'm guessing the demigod baby child is one of three things: maybe its the PC for the next game, maybe its the big bad for the second game, or maybe it'll just show up as a sidequest depending on your choice with it.
I really hope it either doesn't show up at all or doesn't show up unless you transfer data or whatever where the Warden did that. Because holy shit "I will birth the Anti-Christ" is seriously not an acceptable solution to "maybe you die"
they should have had an ending if you were evil the whole game and romanced her where you and her go off into the sunset with your demonspawn to cause shenanigans for civilization down the road
I'm guessing the demigod baby child is one of three things: maybe its the PC for the next game, maybe its the big bad for the second game, or maybe it'll just show up as a sidequest depending on your choice with it.
Or maybe you will be just another warden and the god child will be a companion character that plays a pivotol roll in the story ala Allister.
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Morrigan dumped me. It was kind of ridiculous, honestly, but not unexpected. I was just using her for sex anyway.
they should have had an ending if you were evil the whole game and romanced her where you and her go off into the sunset with your demonspawn to cause shenanigans for civilization down the road
I'm guessing the demigod baby child is one of three things: maybe its the PC for the next game, maybe its the big bad for the second game, or maybe it'll just show up as a sidequest depending on your choice with it.
I really hope it either doesn't show up at all or doesn't show up unless you transfer data or whatever where the Warden did that. Because holy shit "I will birth the Anti-Christ" is seriously not an acceptable solution to "maybe you die"
The baby would be a blank slate. It's just a child with the essenece of an elder dragon / it's magic.
Maybe you just look at the whole situation differently. Personally, saving this magical being from blight related anihilation while simultaneously sparing my life in the process sounds like a win-win situation.
Especially since my character was a mage and these beings basically tought the mortals magic.
I always shift Shale into his aura form when he's at about 30% or so. With all the talents, it can be really useful. Not as a crutch, but as a supplement to what you already should have.
they should have had an ending if you were evil the whole game and romanced her where you and her go off into the sunset with your demonspawn to cause shenanigans for civilization down the road
I'm guessing the demigod baby child is one of three things: maybe its the PC for the next game, maybe its the big bad for the second game, or maybe it'll just show up as a sidequest depending on your choice with it.
Or maybe you will be just another warden and the god child will be a companion character that plays a pivotol roll in the story ala Allister.
Yes.
There is zero chance for the Baby of Doom to be the PC in any sequel. Nil. None. If it's ever the main character, it'll be in a spinoff like a novel or the flash game or something.
- The Baby of Doom cannot possibly be an elf.
- It is essentially impossible for the Baby of Doom to have selectable origin stories. As one of the most notable and obvious unique features of DA:O, I find it implausible that the sequel(s) would not also have selectable origin stories.
Also, people are seriously overstating the doom aspect. Baby of Doom is a catchy name, but this is hardly an Antichrist situation. Morrigan is self-interested, but closer to neutral than evil. She doesn't want to dominate, or to hurt. She doesn't mind doing these things, but she's also not without a strange Objectivist-like version of compassion. (Her frequent disapproval of kindness, for example, is not because it inconveniences you to help someone so much as it is because she feels that giving away something for nothing is encouraging of weakness. Thus, she is thinking of the well-being of the person you help, despite thinking that not helping them is better for all concerned.) Also, the baby gets the soul of the Old God, not the corrupted soul of the Archdemon.
The reason the Baby of Doom is evil and doom-heralding is because preserving the soul of the Old God means there will be an eighth Blight at some point in the future. Not because the child will be used for some hideously evil purpose. It might. But it probably will be only a moderately evil purpose, such as turning Morrigan into a super-Flemeth. And from what we see of both Morrigan and Flemeth, either of them can actually be trusted with such power -- because they're already powerful as shit and just sit around like hermits occasionally seducing and murdering a tribesman or two. They're not into the world domination megalomaniac bit. They just kind of sit around cauldrons cackling about the latest scary overblown legend they've spawned. Evil, but as evils go, about as lesser as you can get. Evil-wise, not power-wise.
Man, for a game called Dragon Age I'd have thought there would be more, you know, Dragons.
At the Landsmeet which I assume is near the end of the game, and I've fought two. Judging from the title I thought they would be a major theme.
The game contains one High Dragon, two additional enemies that are basically High Dragons, two plain old Dragons (one well-hidden), six Drakes, and a crapload of babies. Low for a game with Dragon in the title, but reasonable, and
one of them is the final boss/big bad.
My dragon count is lower than yours by one.
High Dragon, Flemeth, baby dragon, Archdemon - there's a 5th dragon that I missed? Where?
Man, for a game called Dragon Age I'd have thought there would be more, you know, Dragons.
At the Landsmeet which I assume is near the end of the game, and I've fought two. Judging from the title I thought they would be a major theme.
The game contains one High Dragon, two additional enemies that are basically High Dragons, two plain old Dragons (one well-hidden), six Drakes, and a crapload of babies. Low for a game with Dragon in the title, but reasonable, and
one of them is the final boss/big bad.
My dragon count is lower than yours by one.
High Dragon, Flemeth, baby dragon, Archdemon - there's a 5th dragon that I missed? Where?
There's one hidding in Orzammar that can only be fought before there's a king. You need three of your party members to stand on certain squares of the map and the fourth to examine the throne
they should have had an ending if you were evil the whole game and romanced her where you and her go off into the sunset with your demonspawn to cause shenanigans for civilization down the road
I'm guessing the demigod baby child is one of three things: maybe its the PC for the next game, maybe its the big bad for the second game, or maybe it'll just show up as a sidequest depending on your choice with it.
Or maybe you will be just another warden and the god child will be a companion character that plays a pivotol roll in the story ala Allister.
Yes.
There is zero chance for the Baby of Doom to be the PC in any sequel. Nil. None. If it's ever the main character, it'll be in a spinoff like a novel or the flash game or something.
- The Baby of Doom cannot possibly be an elf.
- It is essentially impossible for the Baby of Doom to have selectable origin stories. As one of the most notable and obvious unique features of DA:O, I find it implausible that the sequel(s) would not also have selectable origin stories.
Also, people are seriously overstating the doom aspect. Baby of Doom is a catchy name, but this is hardly an Antichrist situation. Morrigan is self-interested, but closer to neutral than evil. She doesn't want to dominate, or to hurt. She doesn't mind doing these things, but she's also not without a strange Objectivist-like version of compassion. (Her frequent disapproval of kindness, for example, is not because it inconveniences you to help someone so much as it is because she feels that giving away something for nothing is encouraging of weakness. Thus, she is thinking of the well-being of the person you help, despite thinking that not helping them is better for all concerned.) Also, the baby gets the soul of the Old God, not the corrupted soul of the Archdemon.
The reason the Baby of Doom is evil and doom-heralding is because preserving the soul of the Old God means there will be an eighth Blight at some point in the future. Not because the child will be used for some hideously evil purpose. It might. But it probably will be only a moderately evil purpose, such as turning Morrigan into a super-Flemeth.
I do not think it is certain that it will cause an eighth Blight. It may be the fact that the Old Gods were imprisoned that caused them to call out to the darkspawn. The freed Old God in the child might not.
Man, for a game called Dragon Age I'd have thought there would be more, you know, Dragons.
At the Landsmeet which I assume is near the end of the game, and I've fought two. Judging from the title I thought they would be a major theme.
The game contains one High Dragon, two additional enemies that are basically High Dragons, two plain old Dragons (one well-hidden), six Drakes, and a crapload of babies. Low for a game with Dragon in the title, but reasonable, and
one of them is the final boss/big bad.
My dragon count is lower than yours by one.
High Dragon, Flemeth, baby dragon, Archdemon - there's a 5th dragon that I missed? Where?
There's one hidding in Orzammar that can only be fought before there's a king. You need three of your party members to stand on certain squares of the map and the fourth to examine the throne
Man, for a game called Dragon Age I'd have thought there would be more, you know, Dragons.
At the Landsmeet which I assume is near the end of the game, and I've fought two. Judging from the title I thought they would be a major theme.
The game contains one High Dragon, two additional enemies that are basically High Dragons, two plain old Dragons (one well-hidden), six Drakes, and a crapload of babies. Low for a game with Dragon in the title, but reasonable, and
one of them is the final boss/big bad.
My dragon count is lower than yours by one.
High Dragon, Flemeth, baby dragon, Archdemon - there's a 5th dragon that I missed? Where?
There's one hidding in Orzammar that can only be fought before there's a king. You need three of your party members to stand on certain squares of the map and the fourth to examine the throne
Cool, thanks. How do you discover that in-game?
Click on the throne and get the 'Caged in Stone' codex entry, which pretty much tells you what to do.
I do not think it is certain that it will cause an eighth Blight. It may be the fact that the Old Gods were imprisoned that caused them to call out to the darkspawn. The freed Old God in the child might not.
Fine then.
It's evil because if you do it, there are good reasons to believe that an eighth Blight would be likely, but if you don't, and nobody else does it later, there certainly will be no more than seven.
Happy?
I mean, if we're talking certain, it's not even certain that there will be another Blight at all. Maybe the remaining dragons aren't as corruptible. Maybe only the ones that were already Blighted were 'calling.' Maybe there were only five dragons in the first place, and everyone got it wrong. Maybe the next Blight will have happy bunnies instead of darkspawn. Maybe Morrigan was bullshitting about the sex part of the ritual and the child and just wanted to get into your/Alistair's/Loghain's pants. Maybe a dingo ate your Baby of Doom.
I do not think it is certain that it will cause an eighth Blight. It may be the fact that the Old Gods were imprisoned that caused them to call out to the darkspawn. The freed Old God in the child might not.
Fine then.
It's evil because if you do it, there are good reasons to believe that an eighth Blight would be likely, but if you don't, and nobody else does it later, there certainly will be no more than seven.
Happy?
I mean, if we're talking certain, it's not even certain that there will be another Blight at all. Maybe the remaining dragons aren't as corruptible. Maybe only the ones that were already Blighted were 'calling.' Maybe there were only five dragons in the first place, and everyone got it wrong. Maybe the next Blight will have happy bunnies instead of darkspawn. Maybe Morrigan was bullshitting about the sex part of the ritual and the child and just wanted to get into your/Alistair's/Loghain's pants. Maybe a dingo ate your Baby of Doom.
You just never know, right?
In The Calling, the Architect explains that the darkspawn corrupt the Old Gods when they find one. They aren't already like that.
And there is at least one more for certain, Tevinter's draconic gods or not.
they should have had an ending if you were evil the whole game and romanced her where you and her go off into the sunset with your demonspawn to cause shenanigans for civilization down the road
I'm guessing the demigod baby child is one of three things: maybe its the PC for the next game, maybe its the big bad for the second game, or maybe it'll just show up as a sidequest depending on your choice with it.
Or maybe you will be just another warden and the god child will be a companion character that plays a pivotol roll in the story ala Allister.
Yes.
There is zero chance for the Baby of Doom to be the PC in any sequel. Nil. None. If it's ever the main character, it'll be in a spinoff like a novel or the flash game or something.
- The Baby of Doom cannot possibly be an elf.
- It is essentially impossible for the Baby of Doom to have selectable origin stories. As one of the most notable and obvious unique features of DA:O, I find it implausible that the sequel(s) would not also have selectable origin stories.
Also, people are seriously overstating the doom aspect. Baby of Doom is a catchy name, but this is hardly an Antichrist situation. Morrigan is self-interested, but closer to neutral than evil. She doesn't want to dominate, or to hurt. She doesn't mind doing these things, but she's also not without a strange Objectivist-like version of compassion. (Her frequent disapproval of kindness, for example, is not because it inconveniences you to help someone so much as it is because she feels that giving away something for nothing is encouraging of weakness. Thus, she is thinking of the well-being of the person you help, despite thinking that not helping them is better for all concerned.) Also, the baby gets the soul of the Old God, not the corrupted soul of the Archdemon.
The reason the Baby of Doom is evil and doom-heralding is because preserving the soul of the Old God means there will be an eighth Blight at some point in the future. Not because the child will be used for some hideously evil purpose. It might. But it probably will be only a moderately evil purpose, such as turning Morrigan into a super-Flemeth.
I do not think it is certain that it will cause an eighth Blight. It may be the fact that the Old Gods were imprisoned that caused them to call out to the darkspawn. The freed Old God in the child might not.
This brings up pretty interesting scenarios.
As a proactive grey warden or other interested party you eventually might be sent to prevent any future blights from occuring by challenging the old gods themselves while they are imprisoned.
Tie that in with a companion godchild and the moral dilema of sparing his life or hunting him down as well. Make him a possible love interest for the PC and you have drama++
I do not think it is certain that it will cause an eighth Blight. It may be the fact that the Old Gods were imprisoned that caused them to call out to the darkspawn. The freed Old God in the child might not.
Fine then.
It's evil because if you do it, there are good reasons to believe that an eighth Blight would be likely, but if you don't, and nobody else does it later, there certainly will be no more than seven.
Happy?
I mean, if we're talking certain, it's not even certain that there will be another Blight at all. Maybe the remaining dragons aren't as corruptible. Maybe only the ones that were already Blighted were 'calling.' Maybe there were only five dragons in the first place, and everyone got it wrong. Maybe the next Blight will have happy bunnies instead of darkspawn. Maybe Morrigan was bullshitting about the sex part of the ritual and the child and just wanted to get into your/Alistair's/Loghain's pants. Maybe a dingo ate your Baby of Doom.
You just never know, right?
Its not evil because you're saving the soul of an Old God from corruption.
You know Flemeth? The Dragon? Yeah, Shale tanked it. Like, just tanked it. Not even with a flawless large fire crystal, just a clear one. She had the flawless small natural crystal on, for health regen, and the Stoneheart stance on, for health regen, and 50% fire resist... and with about half health on her Flemeth manages to kill everyone but me with my bow and Shale. And I dealt most of the damage what with all my array of poisons, but Shale ended the fight with the same amount of health as she started it, it was pretty sweet.
Is this partly because shale can't be grabbed? I mean, I don't know that she can't, but I've never seen her or Dog grabbed.
I do not think it is certain that it will cause an eighth Blight. It may be the fact that the Old Gods were imprisoned that caused them to call out to the darkspawn. The freed Old God in the child might not.
Fine then.
It's evil because if you do it, there are good reasons to believe that an eighth Blight would be likely, but if you don't, and nobody else does it later, there certainly will be no more than seven.
Happy?
I mean, if we're talking certain, it's not even certain that there will be another Blight at all. Maybe the remaining dragons aren't as corruptible. Maybe only the ones that were already Blighted were 'calling.' Maybe there were only five dragons in the first place, and everyone got it wrong. Maybe the next Blight will have happy bunnies instead of darkspawn. Maybe Morrigan was bullshitting about the sex part of the ritual and the child and just wanted to get into your/Alistair's/Loghain's pants. Maybe a dingo ate your Baby of Doom.
You just never know, right?
Its not evil because you're saving the soul of an Old God from corruption.
Say that you, for whatever reason, have a fortune cookie in your pocket, and you know that this fortune cookie contains, not a fortune, but the nuclear launch codes to the US arsenal, including instructions for their use. You are walking down the street, and you see (hear) a homeless-looking person. He is ranting about the evils of some nation he believes is evil, or how all the jews and gays in Hollywood are taking over the world, or some such paranoid nonsense. He also looks very hungry.
You give him the cookie, naturally. He's hungry. It's the right thing to do. It's not evil to feed a hungry person, right? Never mind that you're knowingly and willingly putting millions of innocent lives in danger.
In other words, there can be both good and evil in an act; one good aspect does not negate any evil aspect, and even if you want to try to claim that they 'balance,' such ethical calculus is generally defined as unacceptable by the 'good.'
I do not think it is certain that it will cause an eighth Blight. It may be the fact that the Old Gods were imprisoned that caused them to call out to the darkspawn. The freed Old God in the child might not.
Fine then.
It's evil because if you do it, there are good reasons to believe that an eighth Blight would be likely, but if you don't, and nobody else does it later, there certainly will be no more than seven.
Happy?
I mean, if we're talking certain, it's not even certain that there will be another Blight at all. Maybe the remaining dragons aren't as corruptible. Maybe only the ones that were already Blighted were 'calling.' Maybe there were only five dragons in the first place, and everyone got it wrong. Maybe the next Blight will have happy bunnies instead of darkspawn. Maybe Morrigan was bullshitting about the sex part of the ritual and the child and just wanted to get into your/Alistair's/Loghain's pants. Maybe a dingo ate your Baby of Doom.
You just never know, right?
Its not evil because you're saving the soul of an Old God from corruption.
Say that you, for whatever reason, have a fortune cookie in your pocket, and you know that this fortune cookie contains, not a fortune, but the nuclear launch codes to the US arsenal, including instructions for their use. You are walking down the street, and you see (hear) a homeless-looking person. He is ranting about the evils of some nation he believes is evil, or how all the jews and gays in Hollywood are taking over the world, or some such paranoid nonsense. He also looks very hungry.
You give him the cookie, naturally. He's hungry. It's the right thing to do. It's not evil to feed a hungry person, right? Never mind that you're knowingly and willingly putting millions of innocent lives in danger.
Right, and we should kill every German baby because they might grow up to be the next Hitler?
Edit: Slight correction: Austrian baby.
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At what point do you find the Topsiders blade, and is anything extra required to unlock it?
I've just defeated Broodmother and could have sworn I'd already gathered all the required pieces before this point on my first play through.
Thanks
All 3 pieces are found in the Deep Roads, leading up to the Broodmother/Anvil section. After clearing things out, go back to Ortan Thaig with all 3 pieces and visit the first Warrior's Sarcophagus. Inspect it w/ all 3 parts of the sword and Topsider's Honor will be yours.
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I do not think it is certain that it will cause an eighth Blight. It may be the fact that the Old Gods were imprisoned that caused them to call out to the darkspawn. The freed Old God in the child might not.
Fine then.
It's evil because if you do it, there are good reasons to believe that an eighth Blight would be likely, but if you don't, and nobody else does it later, there certainly will be no more than seven.
Happy?
I mean, if we're talking certain, it's not even certain that there will be another Blight at all. Maybe the remaining dragons aren't as corruptible. Maybe only the ones that were already Blighted were 'calling.' Maybe there were only five dragons in the first place, and everyone got it wrong. Maybe the next Blight will have happy bunnies instead of darkspawn. Maybe Morrigan was bullshitting about the sex part of the ritual and the child and just wanted to get into your/Alistair's/Loghain's pants. Maybe a dingo ate your Baby of Doom.
You just never know, right?
Its not evil because you're saving the soul of an Old God from corruption.
Say that you, for whatever reason, have a fortune cookie in your pocket, and you know that this fortune cookie contains, not a fortune, but the nuclear launch codes to the US arsenal, including instructions for their use. You are walking down the street, and you see (hear) a homeless-looking person. He is ranting about the evils of some nation he believes is evil, or how all the jews and gays in Hollywood are taking over the world, or some such paranoid nonsense. He also looks very hungry.
You give him the cookie, naturally. He's hungry. It's the right thing to do. It's not evil to feed a hungry person, right? Never mind that you're knowingly and willingly putting millions of innocent lives in danger.
Right, and we should kill every German baby because they might grow up to be the next Hitler?
Edit: Slight correction: Austrian baby.
Er, that's exactly what I'm talking about. There is good in the act (you'll surely get rid of at least one bad person! - though in this case it's almost incidental because the theoretical well-intentioned person doing it is so stupid/blind/racist it barely counts), but that doesn't mean it isn't atrocious, just like JohnDoe's
'saving the old god soul from corruption'
is an atrocity because it also means
having that old god probably get corrupted again later and killing a whole ton more people via the eighth Blight.
At what point do you find the Topsiders blade, and is anything extra required to unlock it?
I've just defeated Broodmother and could have sworn I'd already gathered all the required pieces before this point on my first play through.
Thanks
there are three pieces. you should have them by the end of the dead trenches.
Maybe I worded it poorly, I have two of the required pieces, the Hilt and Pommel, I was wondering where exactly in the dead trenches the 3rd piece is. On my first character I believe I fought an Ancient Darkspawn who dropped it, I either missed it, or it never spawned this time. So I was asking if I needed to do anything certain to make it spawn, or where it would have spawned at. Thanks again and sorry for the confusion
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Seriously, it's mentioned like every 20 pages or so, but all these mods (the respec one, camp chest and this) should be put in the OP. Maybe in place of the whole 'which version to choose' if more space is needed, since I imagine the collector's edition is kind of hard to find now
It would take an hour to take out whites.
I am getting GANKED by the time they close the 3rd portal. It's the wave that has two of the demons and two of the flame elemental dudes. I'm a warrior, and I've got Morrigan the mage, the rogue chick, and the other gray warden warrior. We're all level six. I didn't have problems with anything up to this point, but holy crap...I'm thinking I just need to buy a bunch of health potions or something.
Also - I really want to kill them both.
PKMN White FC: 0046 2138 1298
Hate her so much.
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Yeah...really, while I made Morrigan not as bitchy with my manliness that kind of annoyed me. Game developers have to understand that when they put asshole characters in games, they have to give the player as many opportunities to take them down a peg as possible. Especially when the characters sound like hypocrites on multiple occasions without being any less smug about it. Honestly, I find nothing more annoying in RPGs than when they have the snotty "better than you" character, and all the developers does is give your characters chances to tell them how awesome they are.
For what it's worth, I occasionally see people basing their entire party around it.
Really, Morrigan? I won't get to kill you because you've turned around and walked away? Because, see, I have any number of flying death weapons right here at my disposal.
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It actually seems to be a Ferelden thing, their culture, fashions, and whatnot are considered rather bland. The npcs that aren't from Ferelden certainly seem to think so anyway. The other races and human civilizations seem to have more grandiose naming conventions than "The scary woods" or whatnot.
As for terms like darkspawn used by everyone? I mean it's generic, but its not too terrible. I can't imagine that had darkspawn been in medieval Europe they would have been named something more grandiose.
the thing that pissed me off the most about Morrigan
I mean come on, sometimes the weak need to be culled, am I right or am I right?
Starting with hypocritical apostate bitches :P
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I laughed way to hard at this. Especially flargnle.
Oh yeah...you know...cull the weak.
Sure...sure.
I missed one of those dragons
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It's kind of situational, but yeah I find it very useful, especially during long boss fights when a tank is not really necessary (or even useful)
Maybe you just look at the whole situation differently. Personally, saving this magical being from blight related anihilation while simultaneously sparing my life in the process sounds like a win-win situation.
Especially since my character was a mage and these beings basically tought the mortals magic.
Yes.
- The Baby of Doom cannot possibly be an elf.
- It is essentially impossible for the Baby of Doom to have selectable origin stories. As one of the most notable and obvious unique features of DA:O, I find it implausible that the sequel(s) would not also have selectable origin stories.
Also, people are seriously overstating the doom aspect. Baby of Doom is a catchy name, but this is hardly an Antichrist situation. Morrigan is self-interested, but closer to neutral than evil. She doesn't want to dominate, or to hurt. She doesn't mind doing these things, but she's also not without a strange Objectivist-like version of compassion. (Her frequent disapproval of kindness, for example, is not because it inconveniences you to help someone so much as it is because she feels that giving away something for nothing is encouraging of weakness. Thus, she is thinking of the well-being of the person you help, despite thinking that not helping them is better for all concerned.) Also, the baby gets the soul of the Old God, not the corrupted soul of the Archdemon.
The reason the Baby of Doom is evil and doom-heralding is because preserving the soul of the Old God means there will be an eighth Blight at some point in the future. Not because the child will be used for some hideously evil purpose. It might. But it probably will be only a moderately evil purpose, such as turning Morrigan into a super-Flemeth. And from what we see of both Morrigan and Flemeth, either of them can actually be trusted with such power -- because they're already powerful as shit and just sit around like hermits occasionally seducing and murdering a tribesman or two. They're not into the world domination megalomaniac bit. They just kind of sit around cauldrons cackling about the latest scary overblown legend they've spawned. Evil, but as evils go, about as lesser as you can get. Evil-wise, not power-wise.
My dragon count is lower than yours by one.
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Cool, thanks. How do you discover that in-game?
Fine then.
Happy?
I mean, if we're talking certain, it's not even certain that there will be another Blight at all. Maybe the remaining dragons aren't as corruptible. Maybe only the ones that were already Blighted were 'calling.' Maybe there were only five dragons in the first place, and everyone got it wrong. Maybe the next Blight will have happy bunnies instead of darkspawn. Maybe Morrigan was bullshitting about the sex part of the ritual and the child and just wanted to get into your/Alistair's/Loghain's pants. Maybe a dingo ate your Baby of Doom.
You just never know, right?
And there is at least one more for certain, Tevinter's draconic gods or not.
This brings up pretty interesting scenarios.
Tie that in with a companion godchild and the moral dilema of sparing his life or hunting him down as well. Make him a possible love interest for the PC and you have drama++
Man!
Shale can be pretty fucking amazing.
Morrigan Questline:
Is this partly because shale can't be grabbed? I mean, I don't know that she can't, but I've never seen her or Dog grabbed.
Say that you, for whatever reason, have a fortune cookie in your pocket, and you know that this fortune cookie contains, not a fortune, but the nuclear launch codes to the US arsenal, including instructions for their use. You are walking down the street, and you see (hear) a homeless-looking person. He is ranting about the evils of some nation he believes is evil, or how all the jews and gays in Hollywood are taking over the world, or some such paranoid nonsense. He also looks very hungry.
You give him the cookie, naturally. He's hungry. It's the right thing to do. It's not evil to feed a hungry person, right? Never mind that you're knowingly and willingly putting millions of innocent lives in danger.
In other words, there can be both good and evil in an act; one good aspect does not negate any evil aspect, and even if you want to try to claim that they 'balance,' such ethical calculus is generally defined as unacceptable by the 'good.'
Right, and we should kill every German baby because they might grow up to be the next Hitler?
Edit: Slight correction: Austrian baby.
"Orkses never lose a battle. If we win we win, if we die we die fightin so it don't count. If we runs for it we don't die neither, cos we can come back for annuver go, see!".
Thanks
~ Buckaroo Banzai
there are three pieces. you should have them by the end of the dead trenches.
Er, that's exactly what I'm talking about. There is good in the act (you'll surely get rid of at least one bad person! - though in this case it's almost incidental because the theoretical well-intentioned person doing it is so stupid/blind/racist it barely counts), but that doesn't mean it isn't atrocious, just like JohnDoe's
Maybe I worded it poorly, I have two of the required pieces, the Hilt and Pommel, I was wondering where exactly in the dead trenches the 3rd piece is. On my first character I believe I fought an Ancient Darkspawn who dropped it, I either missed it, or it never spawned this time. So I was asking if I needed to do anything certain to make it spawn, or where it would have spawned at. Thanks again and sorry for the confusion