The stage is fine. Stay together. Shoot the zombies, shoot the tank, get to the chopper.
There is a box of fireworks and some gas cans by the stands, you can set them around the stage entrances and shoot them to kill any zombies running through. Also there are a lot of pipes and molotovs around the cases between the stage and the stands, make use of those. Especially pipes when the helicopter arrives.
There is no trick (or need for one) in standard finales. Just shoot the zombies and watch each others backs for special infected. Set tanks on fire and shoot them.
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The stage is fine. Stay together. Shoot the zombies, shoot the tank, get to the chopper.
There is a box of fireworks and some gas cans by the stands, you can set them around the stage entrances and shoot them to kill any zombies running through. Also there are a lot of pipes and molotovs around the cases between the stage and the stands, make use of those. Especially pipes when the helicopter arrives.
There is no trick (or need for one) in standard finales. Just shoot the zombies and watch each others backs for special infected. Set tanks on fire and shoot them.
Yeah, pretty much.
Really the most important thing is to watch one another's backs and warn allies of the special infected. If you choose to set up in a tight space, have a plan for when a spitter inevitably spits on you, etc.
When the tank comes, classic arcade dodging skills are really your best ally, along with your ACTUAL allies who should be running if they are the ones being chased, or shooting if they aren't. Shooting the tank slows it down, allowing whoever it's after to escape.
And don't use a bile bomb on it if there are no zombies around already. Bile is much more useful when you are about to get completely mobbed by zombies, or to escape to the helicopter in the final portion of the event.
DC, just stay on the stage and shoot mans, move out when the take comes, repeat.
Or you can cheat and stay in the top stage-right corner of the grandstands because its impossible for the SI to approach you there.
Man, keeping up the pyrotechnics on the stage is half the fun, plus you get to hear all of your character's voice echoed through the microphone. Really though, fire is your best friend on that finale.
Also it seems like boomer bile doesn't really attract hordes off of people that have already been biled, it might help a bit, but pipes are much much better for doing that; just something to keep in mind all around.
Boomer Bile doesn't help that much when people are already boomered, because they just behave like when multiple people are boomered. So if 4 people are out, and you throw it, the horde just considers it 5.
Bile is better than pipes at preempting a horde, though, since it stick around for so long. Throw it at an approaching horde right when the heli comes and you won't have much trouble getting onto it.
Zombies won't just run directly past you in this game, though, as they did in the first.
Last night in vs. I was on the infected team when the survivors went up above the door in the Dark Carnival finale. It sucked. It was as bad as the dead air finale. Nothing could get close enough to do anything, and both tanks were half dead by the time any of the players took control of them, because they spawned in the open windows.
The funny thing was after the match they admitted that the DC finale's pretty lame. But we made it awesome by trying to melee through it when it was our turn.
I think I killed a tank with a guitar, landing 3 or 4 hits on it while my life was at 7 hp and he kept missing me.
If i'm not in armadeaddon i'm either working or sleeping. There's generally games kicking off every evening.
Oh about the microphone thing, i hate playing with quiet people, especially in realism mode. They never speak up "oh i've been huntered, around the caravan!" and nor do they type it either.
But yes, you also get dicks who mouth of and rage at people.
I have noticed a lot of people playing this game who did not play L4D1, or at least did not play much. Here are my helpful (?) tips:
Communicate. As mentioned, if you have a mic, use it. If you don't, get one. This game requires teamwork to an extent that other games you've played don't, and teamwork requires communication. Every time you see/hear a special infected/horde/items, call it out. If you get pounced or smoked or whatever, call it out. Even if you think you're in plain view and your teammates see you. Don't assume that they heard the tank grunt or saw the hunter climbing the building that you're shooting at.
Prioritize. If a teammate is huntered/charged/smokered/jockeyed, drop everything you're doing and save them. The situation will only get worse if you don't. If one teammate is huntered and another is smoked, go help the huntered one first. Your priorities are a function of the situation. In scavenge mode, for example, near the end of a round, keeping your teammates alive is low priority compared to getting cans into the generator. Leaving a smoker on your teammate (who could potentially be freed with a few seconds of effort) while you get one of the last few cans may be a good decision, because it ties up one of the SI for an extended amount of time.
Opportunity. As much as people will yell at you for wandering off alone, there is a place for this if timed correctly and if you have a good sense for the map. A good internal clock will tell you when the infected team will (and won't) be spawning, giving you a window of opportunity to scout ahead or split up to check side areas for items. On the SI side, keep alert for survivors in vulnerable positions. A solo attack is not always terrible; sometimes a solo pull or jockey can force the survivors into a situation that makes it easier for your teammates to attack when they spawn in 10 seconds. The mill on Hard Rain is a pretty good example of this.
Prevention. Recognize where the SI will want to spawn, and position yourself to block them. This is especially important when a teammate is incapped and the SI team is trying to keep him down to impede your progress.
Teamwork. This one I have seen come up too often; someone is doing something stupid (attacking alone as SI, refusing to use anything but the frying pan, etc), and when his teammates yell at him, his defense is "this is a game, I'm just having fun". This game may not be for you. The best games, for me personally, are very high tension affairs with awesome teamwork leading to a successful wipe/completion. If you want to have fun dicking around, awesome, go play spycrab on a pub. This argument is like having your point guard just stand at midcourt doing jumping jacks during a basketball game. "I'm just having fun, coach!". Cool, you're benched.
SI specifics:
Charger: You should almost always be initiating charges point blank. Try and aim the charge in a direction where either you have lots of room, or there are several survivors. Charging a single survivor into a nearby wall is not effective.
Spitter: Only spit when the survivors are confined or immobilized somehow. Even if they are standing still for a few moments, if there is nothing to prevent them from moving (horde, boomer, charger, in a small room), save the spit.
Tank: The trajectory of the rock throw takes some getting used to, but it's worth the investment. Good artillery tanks are very frustrating to fight.
Boomer: This is an old one, but I still see people doing this. Do not spawn behind the survivors as boomer. Don't do it. They may be standing still, you may think they're about to stop, but inevitably they psychically take off as soon as a boomer spawns behind them. You will not puke on them. You will not catch up to them. You will be shot. Try to spawn at the last possible second as survivors approach, and at a distance such that if they shoot you they'll be boomed, but not so close that they have time to run up and melee you.
Christ, that was longer than I thought it'd be.
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AegisFear My DanceOvershot Toronto, Landed in OttawaRegistered Userregular
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I am slightly pissed off with the reload system here.
The game separates out your current clip ammo from your max carried ammo. If you reload your gun, the game seems to handle this by moving your remaining current clip ammo (if any) to your max carried ammo so you end up with 0 ammo in your current clip during the reload, after which it moves the ammo back from max to current.
This is a problem for me because I like reloading even if I've only fired one shot, as I prefer having a max clip for those situations in which I need all my ammo. But even if I have 7 out of 8 shotgun shells still remaining in my clip, if I hit reload it clears my clip down to 0 until the reload's done.
Moreover, if you switch weapons during the reload it stops the reload and keeps your clip at 0. This seems to continually crop up when, in the middle of the reload, I've needed to pull out my melee weapon and then when done with it, wonder why I never have any ammo in my main gun after I switch back.
It would have killed them to handle reloads by just adding in the required amount of ammo to get your current clip back up to max rather than emptying your entire current clip and starting all reloads from 0 ammo?
That doesn't apply to shotguns, as they get an incremental reload. The only way your shotgun will go down to 0 is if you shoot all of your shells.
For weapons that use a magazine the idea is you're dropping a magazine and switching to a brand new one. Something that would make sense if one is on the run from zombies. My only gripe with the reload system is that yeah, if you switch out too early you have to redo the entire thing.
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That doesn't apply to shotguns, as they get an incremental reload. The only way your shotgun will go down to 0 is if you shoot all of your shells.
For weapons that use a magazine the idea is you're dropping a magazine and switching to a brand new one. Something that would make sense if one is on the run from zombies. My only gripe with the reload system is that yeah, if you switch out too early you have to redo the entire thing.
My problem with this is that the reload for some guns seems fractionally longer than the animation. I reload all the time - a habit from playing Counter-Strike way back when - and I always seem to switch back to secondary in that tiny sliver of time between the animation and the reload finishing. A very minor gripe in an awesome game.
That doesn't apply to shotguns, as they get an incremental reload. The only way your shotgun will go down to 0 is if you shoot all of your shells.
For weapons that use a magazine the idea is you're dropping a magazine and switching to a brand new one. Something that would make sense if one is on the run from zombies. My only gripe with the reload system is that yeah, if you switch out too early you have to redo the entire thing.
My problem with this is that the reload for some guns seems fractionally longer than the animation. I reload all the time - a habit from playing Counter-Strike way back when - and I always seem to switch back to secondary in that tiny sliver of time between the animation and the reload finishing. A very minor gripe in an awesome game.
I've actually noticed this too, which can make frantic horde attacks a little bit more frustrating. It doesn't trouble me too much though, I just have to make sure the gun is fully loaded before switching to a different item.
The needle gun in TF2 has this same problem, the time it takes for the game to credit you the ammo is much longer than the animation so you can do a whole reload cycle and switch weapons and suddenly have no ammo.
This is why the shotgun is so crucial. You watch the shells moving up in number and can fire whenever you want. Just don't drop to zero as you lose a half second while they jack one into the chamber before you can fire. Just hit reload, melee a time or two, shoot.
This is why the shotgun is so crucial. You watch the shells moving up in number and can fire whenever you want. Just don't drop to zero as you lose a half second while they jack one into the chamber before you can fire. Just hit reload, melee a time or two, shoot.
I think they removed the extra time it took to pump the shotgun for that first round... I could be wrong on this I haven't looked too closely at it.
Teamwork. This one I have seen come up too often; someone is doing something stupid (attacking alone as SI, refusing to use anything but the frying pan, etc), and when his teammates yell at him, his defense is "this is a game, I'm just having fun". This game may not be for you. The best games, for me personally, are very high tension affairs with awesome teamwork leading to a successful wipe/completion. If you want to have fun dicking around, awesome, go play spycrab on a pub. This argument is like having your point guard just stand at midcourt doing jumping jacks during a basketball game. "I'm just having fun, coach!". Cool, you're benched.
This attitude annoys me. There are different ways of playing a game. Someone can run around killing undead with the frying pan have fun and still be an asset to the team. What completely ruins this game for me is when I pick up the gun I want to use, and someone who considers himself an "elite player" or some shit orders me to pick a different weapon because he thinks it's better. Or in a versus game, when you're playing infected and have a charge or a smoke lined up, and people yell "NO DO IT THIS WAY YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG". This isn't only a problem with pubs.
I find the best versus/scavenge games are when a bunch of guys who are mostly decent players are in the game to have fun. It seems like most games were like this for L4D1. Now I find that people are only playing to get the higher score and it becomes un-fun really quick.
when his teammates yell at him, his defense is "this is a game, I'm just having fun"
I think if his teammates are yelling over a videogame it's not the guy having fun who needs to present a defense
Telling people to use certain weapons is dumb, generally.
I've had times where two people are carrying cans in scavenge, and the other two escorting them are brandishing melee weapons. That is stupid and you deserve to be told as much. Other than that I think the only time I ever recommended (recommend, not tell) a certain weapon is to pick up T2 shotties if you know there's a tank very soon.
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Teamwork. This one I have seen come up too often; someone is doing something stupid (attacking alone as SI, refusing to use anything but the frying pan, etc), and when his teammates yell at him, his defense is "this is a game, I'm just having fun". This game may not be for you. The best games, for me personally, are very high tension affairs with awesome teamwork leading to a successful wipe/completion. If you want to have fun dicking around, awesome, go play spycrab on a pub. This argument is like having your point guard just stand at midcourt doing jumping jacks during a basketball game. "I'm just having fun, coach!". Cool, you're benched.
This attitude annoys me. There are different ways of playing a game. Someone can run around killing undead with the frying pan have fun and still be an asset to the team. What completely ruins this game for me is when I pick up the gun I want to use, and someone who considers himself an "elite player" or some shit orders me to pick a different weapon because he thinks it's better. Or in a versus game, when you're playing infected and have a charge or a smoke lined up, and people yell "NO DO IT THIS WAY YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG". This isn't only a problem with pubs.
I find the best versus/scavenge games are when a bunch of guys who are mostly decent players are in the game to have fun. It seems like most games were like this for L4D1. Now I find that people are only playing to get the higher score and it becomes un-fun really quick.
when his teammates yell at him, his defense is "this is a game, I'm just having fun"
I think if his teammates are yelling over a videogame it's not the guy having fun who needs to present a defense
Wat. I don't think I need to present an argument on why exclusively using the frying pan on scavenge is not good teamwork. The frying pan only guy is not able to shoot smokers or whatever other special infected, and leads to his teammates being incapped more quickly. So while this one guy is "having fun", he is pretty much ruining any chance that his teammates have of having fun.
This is a team game. If you're not into teamwork, cool. But don't shit on your team in the name of "having fun". That's called griefing.
That attitude is plain stupid indeed. If you don't like people running around having fun in a video game, dont play pub. Go get some people to play with you that like to follow orders and play methodically/just to win.
Vs. borders on incredibly fun to incredibly not fun and it completely relies on who you're playing with.
Basically, yes.
A year of L4D and L4D2 has left me with a list of people I will play campaigns with. Teamwork and good team bonding is essential for a good time, I won't submit myself to an expert/realism campaign with people I haven't played with before in a vs or something.
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Teamwork. This one I have seen come up too often; someone is doing something stupid (attacking alone as SI, refusing to use anything but the frying pan, etc), and when his teammates yell at him, his defense is "this is a game, I'm just having fun". This game may not be for you. The best games, for me personally, are very high tension affairs with awesome teamwork leading to a successful wipe/completion. If you want to have fun dicking around, awesome, go play spycrab on a pub. This argument is like having your point guard just stand at midcourt doing jumping jacks during a basketball game. "I'm just having fun, coach!". Cool, you're benched.
This attitude annoys me. There are different ways of playing a game. Someone can run around killing undead with the frying pan have fun and still be an asset to the team. What completely ruins this game for me is when I pick up the gun I want to use, and someone who considers himself an "elite player" or some shit orders me to pick a different weapon because he thinks it's better. Or in a versus game, when you're playing infected and have a charge or a smoke lined up, and people yell "NO DO IT THIS WAY YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG". This isn't only a problem with pubs.
I find the best versus/scavenge games are when a bunch of guys who are mostly decent players are in the game to have fun. It seems like most games were like this for L4D1. Now I find that people are only playing to get the higher score and it becomes un-fun really quick.
when his teammates yell at him, his defense is "this is a game, I'm just having fun"
I think if his teammates are yelling over a videogame it's not the guy having fun who needs to present a defense
Wat. I don't think I need to present an argument on why exclusively using the frying pan on scavenge is not good teamwork. The frying pan only guy is not able to shoot smokers or whatever other special infected, and leads to his teammates being incapped more quickly. So while this one guy is "having fun", he is pretty much ruining any chance that his teammates have of having fun.
This is a team game. If you're not into teamwork, cool. But don't shit on your team in the name of "having fun". That's called griefing.
To me this is the difference between team vs/regular vs and team scavenge/regular scavenge. I only had one experience with team vs, and I won't be doing it again.
Just the other day on a Vs game, we had a pub in our team. He would shoot every single gas can he could find, even if we were near it.
Someone told him "Why are you doing that?!" in a pissed off tone of course, to which he responds "Because I want to" and proceeds to shoot him in the face.
Teamwork. This one I have seen come up too often; someone is doing something stupid (attacking alone as SI, refusing to use anything but the frying pan, etc), and when his teammates yell at him, his defense is "this is a game, I'm just having fun". This game may not be for you. The best games, for me personally, are very high tension affairs with awesome teamwork leading to a successful wipe/completion. If you want to have fun dicking around, awesome, go play spycrab on a pub. This argument is like having your point guard just stand at midcourt doing jumping jacks during a basketball game. "I'm just having fun, coach!". Cool, you're benched.
This attitude annoys me. There are different ways of playing a game. Someone can run around killing undead with the frying pan have fun and still be an asset to the team. What completely ruins this game for me is when I pick up the gun I want to use, and someone who considers himself an "elite player" or some shit orders me to pick a different weapon because he thinks it's better. Or in a versus game, when you're playing infected and have a charge or a smoke lined up, and people yell "NO DO IT THIS WAY YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG". This isn't only a problem with pubs.
I find the best versus/scavenge games are when a bunch of guys who are mostly decent players are in the game to have fun. It seems like most games were like this for L4D1. Now I find that people are only playing to get the higher score and it becomes un-fun really quick.
when his teammates yell at him, his defense is "this is a game, I'm just having fun"
I think if his teammates are yelling over a videogame it's not the guy having fun who needs to present a defense
Wat. I don't think I need to present an argument on why exclusively using the frying pan on scavenge is not good teamwork. The frying pan only guy is not able to shoot smokers or whatever other special infected, and leads to his teammates being incapped more quickly. So while this one guy is "having fun", he is pretty much ruining any chance that his teammates have of having fun.
This is a team game. If you're not into teamwork, cool. But don't shit on your team in the name of "having fun". That's called griefing.
you didn't specify this
But I'm not arguing for the exclusive use of the frying pan, I'm arguing for not being yelled at for using whatever weapon I'm comfortable with at the time
Vs. borders on incredibly fun to incredibly not fun and it completely relies on who you're playing with.
Basically, yes.
A year of L4D and L4D2 has left me with a list of people I will play campaigns with. Teamwork and good team bonding is essential for a good time, I won't submit myself to an expert/realism campaign with people I haven't played with before in a vs or something.
I'll play a different game before I play with Pub's again. I don't even want to bark out orders or anything like that. This game shines and is awesome when you play with people you know well. It's fun to play even if you get your rump kicked in a vs./scavenge map. It's just fun. My favorite is when we get 8 people in party chat and do 4 on 4 with everyone in the same chat party. Listening to the survivors while you smoke them is just too much fun.
Just the other day on a Vs game, we had a pub in our team. He would shoot every single gas can he could find, even if we were near it.
Someone told him "Why are you doing that?!" in a pissed off tone of course, to which he responds "Because I want to" and proceeds to shoot him in the face.
then obviously you're not on LaCabra's side, unless you agree that the idiot is okay in being an idiot
Vs. borders on incredibly fun to incredibly not fun and it completely relies on who you're playing with.
Basically, yes.
A year of L4D and L4D2 has left me with a list of people I will play campaigns with. Teamwork and good team bonding is essential for a good time, I won't submit myself to an expert/realism campaign with people I haven't played with before in a vs or something.
I'll play a different game before I play with Pub's again. I don't even want to bark out orders or anything like that. This game shines and is awesome when you play with people you know well. It's fun to play even if you get your rump kicked in a vs./scavenge map. It's just fun. My favorite is when we get 8 people in party chat and do 4 on 4 with everyone in the same chat party. Listening to the survivors while you smoke them is just too much fun.
We played an all PA scavenge a few days ago, the server was modded so that when a SI attacked a survivor it opened mic communication between the two of them.
Cue a lot of pouncing survivors and yelling NOM NOM NOM into the mic.
Also terrible SI puns never get old. The smoker ones are the most obvious of course, tied up, hanging around etc. But finding ones for the other SI attacks is source of entertainment for me.
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Vs. borders on incredibly fun to incredibly not fun and it completely relies on who you're playing with.
Basically, yes.
A year of L4D and L4D2 has left me with a list of people I will play campaigns with. Teamwork and good team bonding is essential for a good time, I won't submit myself to an expert/realism campaign with people I haven't played with before in a vs or something.
I'll play a different game before I play with Pub's again. I don't even want to bark out orders or anything like that. This game shines and is awesome when you play with people you know well. It's fun to play even if you get your rump kicked in a vs./scavenge map. It's just fun. My favorite is when we get 8 people in party chat and do 4 on 4 with everyone in the same chat party. Listening to the survivors while you smoke them is just too much fun.
We played an all PA scavenge a few days ago, the server was modded so that when a SI attacked a survivor it opened mic communication between the two of them.
Cue a lot of pouncing survivors and yelling NOM NOM NOM into the mic.
Also terrible SI puns never get old. The smoker ones are the most obvious of course, tied up, hanging around etc. But finding ones for the other SI attacks is source of entertainment for me.
Vs. borders on incredibly fun to incredibly not fun and it completely relies on who you're playing with.
Basically, yes.
A year of L4D and L4D2 has left me with a list of people I will play campaigns with. Teamwork and good team bonding is essential for a good time, I won't submit myself to an expert/realism campaign with people I haven't played with before in a vs or something.
I'll play a different game before I play with Pub's again. I don't even want to bark out orders or anything like that. This game shines and is awesome when you play with people you know well. It's fun to play even if you get your rump kicked in a vs./scavenge map. It's just fun. My favorite is when we get 8 people in party chat and do 4 on 4 with everyone in the same chat party. Listening to the survivors while you smoke them is just too much fun.
We played an all PA scavenge a few days ago, the server was modded so that when a SI attacked a survivor it opened mic communication between the two of them.
Cue a lot of pouncing survivors and yelling NOM NOM NOM into the mic.
Also terrible SI puns never get old. The smoker ones are the most obvious of course, tied up, hanging around etc. But finding ones for the other SI attacks is source of entertainment for me.
Nothing beats "A spittle help from my friends," but you can try and come close.
Edit: I played on one of those server. It was funny while we were trying to figure out what exactly was going on. So while a guy is hanging off the side of a building, violently struggling for his very life, we're just like "Hey, XYZ, can you hear me now?" "Yeah, I can hear you." Very calmly.
But I'm not arguing for the exclusive use of the frying pan, I'm arguing for not being yelled at for using whatever weapon I'm comfortable with at the time
I don't think I've ever seen anyone do this with the possible exception of the Grenade Launcher, and complaining about using it is a bit more valid because of the extreme risk of friendly fire damage.
anybody want to do the gnome achievment? on xbox 360? im online now and want to get it done. i seem to get given a team of 4 year olds who keep setting me on fire.
Teamwork. This one I have seen come up too often; someone is doing something stupid (attacking alone as SI, refusing to use anything but the frying pan, etc), and when his teammates yell at him, his defense is "this is a game, I'm just having fun". This game may not be for you. The best games, for me personally, are very high tension affairs with awesome teamwork leading to a successful wipe/completion. If you want to have fun dicking around, awesome, go play spycrab on a pub. This argument is like having your point guard just stand at midcourt doing jumping jacks during a basketball game. "I'm just having fun, coach!". Cool, you're benched.
This attitude annoys me. There are different ways of playing a game. Someone can run around killing undead with the frying pan have fun and still be an asset to the team. What completely ruins this game for me is when I pick up the gun I want to use, and someone who considers himself an "elite player" or some shit orders me to pick a different weapon because he thinks it's better. Or in a versus game, when you're playing infected and have a charge or a smoke lined up, and people yell "NO DO IT THIS WAY YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG". This isn't only a problem with pubs.
I find the best versus/scavenge games are when a bunch of guys who are mostly decent players are in the game to have fun. It seems like most games were like this for L4D1. Now I find that people are only playing to get the higher score and it becomes un-fun really quick.
when his teammates yell at him, his defense is "this is a game, I'm just having fun"
I think if his teammates are yelling over a videogame it's not the guy having fun who needs to present a defense
Wat. I don't think I need to present an argument on why exclusively using the frying pan on scavenge is not good teamwork. The frying pan only guy is not able to shoot smokers or whatever other special infected, and leads to his teammates being incapped more quickly. So while this one guy is "having fun", he is pretty much ruining any chance that his teammates have of having fun.
This is a team game. If you're not into teamwork, cool. But don't shit on your team in the name of "having fun". That's called griefing.
you didn't specify this
But I'm not arguing for the exclusive use of the frying pan, I'm arguing for not being yelled at for using whatever weapon I'm comfortable with at the time
Other than encouraging a little diversity, I don't care what people have as their main weapon or sidearm. The weapons are much better balanced in L4D2 than L4D. What I'm talking about is the equivalent of the crouching punching heavy: deliberately doing something that you think is fun (hell, I've played plenty of spycrab myself - but only when my team is rolling) that is a completely ridiculous thing to do and is blatantly detrimental to the team. You can get away with being the one useless dude out of 12 or 16 in TF2 or CS or whatever, but you can't when there are only 4 of you and one dude just got smoked and another charged and they're both 40 feet away and you refuse to switch to your gun from the frying pan.
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YamiNoSenshiA point called ZIn the complex planeRegistered Userregular
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Grenade Laucnher and chainsaw annoys me sometimes since there's no good way to cover somebody with that. But unless we're in a life-or-death situation, I joke about it. Thankfully I play with people I know, because "You're so useless right now. USELESS!" isn't funny if you don't know me.
I don't use in-game voicechat so all those situations never presented me with any interesting opportunities. Other team muted. Was usually on vent with my team minus a pub or two (who we generally kicked or were so mean to that they would leave because eff pubs bwahahahaha)
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There is a box of fireworks and some gas cans by the stands, you can set them around the stage entrances and shoot them to kill any zombies running through. Also there are a lot of pipes and molotovs around the cases between the stage and the stands, make use of those. Especially pipes when the helicopter arrives.
There is no trick (or need for one) in standard finales. Just shoot the zombies and watch each others backs for special infected. Set tanks on fire and shoot them.
Yeah, pretty much.
Really the most important thing is to watch one another's backs and warn allies of the special infected. If you choose to set up in a tight space, have a plan for when a spitter inevitably spits on you, etc.
When the tank comes, classic arcade dodging skills are really your best ally, along with your ACTUAL allies who should be running if they are the ones being chased, or shooting if they aren't. Shooting the tank slows it down, allowing whoever it's after to escape.
And don't use a bile bomb on it if there are no zombies around already. Bile is much more useful when you are about to get completely mobbed by zombies, or to escape to the helicopter in the final portion of the event.
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Or you can cheat and stay in the top stage-right corner of the grandstands because its impossible for the SI to approach you there.
No kidding.
Plus if you' aren't on the stage you can't use the pyrotechnics!
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Also it seems like boomer bile doesn't really attract hordes off of people that have already been biled, it might help a bit, but pipes are much much better for doing that; just something to keep in mind all around.
Zombies won't just run directly past you in this game, though, as they did in the first.
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The funny thing was after the match they admitted that the DC finale's pretty lame. But we made it awesome by trying to melee through it when it was our turn.
I think I killed a tank with a guitar, landing 3 or 4 hits on it while my life was at 7 hp and he kept missing me.
Yeah I liked the stage the best too. I usually have the problem of being stranded there alone thanks to useless pubbies though.
I have noticed a lot of people playing this game who did not play L4D1, or at least did not play much. Here are my helpful (?) tips:
Communicate. As mentioned, if you have a mic, use it. If you don't, get one. This game requires teamwork to an extent that other games you've played don't, and teamwork requires communication. Every time you see/hear a special infected/horde/items, call it out. If you get pounced or smoked or whatever, call it out. Even if you think you're in plain view and your teammates see you. Don't assume that they heard the tank grunt or saw the hunter climbing the building that you're shooting at.
Prioritize. If a teammate is huntered/charged/smokered/jockeyed, drop everything you're doing and save them. The situation will only get worse if you don't. If one teammate is huntered and another is smoked, go help the huntered one first. Your priorities are a function of the situation. In scavenge mode, for example, near the end of a round, keeping your teammates alive is low priority compared to getting cans into the generator. Leaving a smoker on your teammate (who could potentially be freed with a few seconds of effort) while you get one of the last few cans may be a good decision, because it ties up one of the SI for an extended amount of time.
Opportunity. As much as people will yell at you for wandering off alone, there is a place for this if timed correctly and if you have a good sense for the map. A good internal clock will tell you when the infected team will (and won't) be spawning, giving you a window of opportunity to scout ahead or split up to check side areas for items. On the SI side, keep alert for survivors in vulnerable positions. A solo attack is not always terrible; sometimes a solo pull or jockey can force the survivors into a situation that makes it easier for your teammates to attack when they spawn in 10 seconds. The mill on Hard Rain is a pretty good example of this.
Prevention. Recognize where the SI will want to spawn, and position yourself to block them. This is especially important when a teammate is incapped and the SI team is trying to keep him down to impede your progress.
Teamwork. This one I have seen come up too often; someone is doing something stupid (attacking alone as SI, refusing to use anything but the frying pan, etc), and when his teammates yell at him, his defense is "this is a game, I'm just having fun". This game may not be for you. The best games, for me personally, are very high tension affairs with awesome teamwork leading to a successful wipe/completion. If you want to have fun dicking around, awesome, go play spycrab on a pub. This argument is like having your point guard just stand at midcourt doing jumping jacks during a basketball game. "I'm just having fun, coach!". Cool, you're benched.
SI specifics:
Charger: You should almost always be initiating charges point blank. Try and aim the charge in a direction where either you have lots of room, or there are several survivors. Charging a single survivor into a nearby wall is not effective.
Spitter: Only spit when the survivors are confined or immobilized somehow. Even if they are standing still for a few moments, if there is nothing to prevent them from moving (horde, boomer, charger, in a small room), save the spit.
Tank: The trajectory of the rock throw takes some getting used to, but it's worth the investment. Good artillery tanks are very frustrating to fight.
Boomer: This is an old one, but I still see people doing this. Do not spawn behind the survivors as boomer. Don't do it. They may be standing still, you may think they're about to stop, but inevitably they psychically take off as soon as a boomer spawns behind them. You will not puke on them. You will not catch up to them. You will be shot. Try to spawn at the last possible second as survivors approach, and at a distance such that if they shoot you they'll be boomed, but not so close that they have time to run up and melee you.
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The game separates out your current clip ammo from your max carried ammo. If you reload your gun, the game seems to handle this by moving your remaining current clip ammo (if any) to your max carried ammo so you end up with 0 ammo in your current clip during the reload, after which it moves the ammo back from max to current.
This is a problem for me because I like reloading even if I've only fired one shot, as I prefer having a max clip for those situations in which I need all my ammo. But even if I have 7 out of 8 shotgun shells still remaining in my clip, if I hit reload it clears my clip down to 0 until the reload's done.
Moreover, if you switch weapons during the reload it stops the reload and keeps your clip at 0. This seems to continually crop up when, in the middle of the reload, I've needed to pull out my melee weapon and then when done with it, wonder why I never have any ammo in my main gun after I switch back.
It would have killed them to handle reloads by just adding in the required amount of ammo to get your current clip back up to max rather than emptying your entire current clip and starting all reloads from 0 ammo?
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For weapons that use a magazine the idea is you're dropping a magazine and switching to a brand new one. Something that would make sense if one is on the run from zombies. My only gripe with the reload system is that yeah, if you switch out too early you have to redo the entire thing.
My problem with this is that the reload for some guns seems fractionally longer than the animation. I reload all the time - a habit from playing Counter-Strike way back when - and I always seem to switch back to secondary in that tiny sliver of time between the animation and the reload finishing. A very minor gripe in an awesome game.
I've actually noticed this too, which can make frantic horde attacks a little bit more frustrating. It doesn't trouble me too much though, I just have to make sure the gun is fully loaded before switching to a different item.
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I think they removed the extra time it took to pump the shotgun for that first round... I could be wrong on this I haven't looked too closely at it.
This attitude annoys me. There are different ways of playing a game. Someone can run around killing undead with the frying pan have fun and still be an asset to the team. What completely ruins this game for me is when I pick up the gun I want to use, and someone who considers himself an "elite player" or some shit orders me to pick a different weapon because he thinks it's better. Or in a versus game, when you're playing infected and have a charge or a smoke lined up, and people yell "NO DO IT THIS WAY YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG". This isn't only a problem with pubs.
I find the best versus/scavenge games are when a bunch of guys who are mostly decent players are in the game to have fun. It seems like most games were like this for L4D1. Now I find that people are only playing to get the higher score and it becomes un-fun really quick.
I think if his teammates are yelling over a videogame it's not the guy having fun who needs to present a defense
I've had times where two people are carrying cans in scavenge, and the other two escorting them are brandishing melee weapons. That is stupid and you deserve to be told as much. Other than that I think the only time I ever recommended (recommend, not tell) a certain weapon is to pick up T2 shotties if you know there's a tank very soon.
Wat. I don't think I need to present an argument on why exclusively using the frying pan on scavenge is not good teamwork. The frying pan only guy is not able to shoot smokers or whatever other special infected, and leads to his teammates being incapped more quickly. So while this one guy is "having fun", he is pretty much ruining any chance that his teammates have of having fun.
This is a team game. If you're not into teamwork, cool. But don't shit on your team in the name of "having fun". That's called griefing.
Basically, yes.
A year of L4D and L4D2 has left me with a list of people I will play campaigns with. Teamwork and good team bonding is essential for a good time, I won't submit myself to an expert/realism campaign with people I haven't played with before in a vs or something.
To me this is the difference between team vs/regular vs and team scavenge/regular scavenge. I only had one experience with team vs, and I won't be doing it again.
Just the other day on a Vs game, we had a pub in our team. He would shoot every single gas can he could find, even if we were near it.
Someone told him "Why are you doing that?!" in a pissed off tone of course, to which he responds "Because I want to" and proceeds to shoot him in the face.
But I'm not arguing for the exclusive use of the frying pan, I'm arguing for not being yelled at for using whatever weapon I'm comfortable with at the time
I'll play a different game before I play with Pub's again. I don't even want to bark out orders or anything like that. This game shines and is awesome when you play with people you know well. It's fun to play even if you get your rump kicked in a vs./scavenge map. It's just fun. My favorite is when we get 8 people in party chat and do 4 on 4 with everyone in the same chat party. Listening to the survivors while you smoke them is just too much fun.
then obviously you're not on LaCabra's side, unless you agree that the idiot is okay in being an idiot
We played an all PA scavenge a few days ago, the server was modded so that when a SI attacked a survivor it opened mic communication between the two of them.
Cue a lot of pouncing survivors and yelling NOM NOM NOM into the mic.
Also terrible SI puns never get old. The smoker ones are the most obvious of course, tied up, hanging around etc. But finding ones for the other SI attacks is source of entertainment for me.
This sounds fantastic.
Nothing beats "A spittle help from my friends," but you can try and come close.
Edit: I played on one of those server. It was funny while we were trying to figure out what exactly was going on. So while a guy is hanging off the side of a building, violently struggling for his very life, we're just like "Hey, XYZ, can you hear me now?" "Yeah, I can hear you." Very calmly.
I don't think I've ever seen anyone do this with the possible exception of the Grenade Launcher, and complaining about using it is a bit more valid because of the extreme risk of friendly fire damage.
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Other than encouraging a little diversity, I don't care what people have as their main weapon or sidearm. The weapons are much better balanced in L4D2 than L4D. What I'm talking about is the equivalent of the crouching punching heavy: deliberately doing something that you think is fun (hell, I've played plenty of spycrab myself - but only when my team is rolling) that is a completely ridiculous thing to do and is blatantly detrimental to the team. You can get away with being the one useless dude out of 12 or 16 in TF2 or CS or whatever, but you can't when there are only 4 of you and one dude just got smoked and another charged and they're both 40 feet away and you refuse to switch to your gun from the frying pan.