If the Kindle falls to $100, i'm buying my daughter one. She does enough reading it would be totally worth it. Coupled with buying her Amazon gift cards so she could just buy the books she wants would be awesome.
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I think its funny that they say the ipad has any semplance of multi-tasking. Notifications of emails and the like does not equal multi-tasking if you have to exit the app that your in to read them. Also comparing a tablet-lite to a dedicated e-book reader is not a fair comparision.
To the LCD vs e-Ink argument. It is personal preference but I am getting up there in age. I used to be able to stare at screens all day no problem. Now that I am getting into my mid 30s it is straining my eyes more and reading on my Kindle instead of a LCD when I get home is just glorious. Who the hell reads in the dark? I never did that when I could stare at lcds all day why would I do that now? To me it is a non issue for backlighting as I will have a light on if I am going to read at night. Did they use a different screen and cover for the iPad? If not then good luck reading it in direct sunlight as well. I have a hard time with my Touch.
I love my Sony ebook reader. I got it a while back, maybe a year or more ago. So it is one of the earlier versions. but it still works perfectly. I don't really see the comparison between lcd and e-ink. They're different beasts. With the ebook reader I can comfortably hold it in my hands for hours, read outside in very bright sunlight, or indoors by a lamp, it's about the size of a regular paperback novel, it's really the perfect device for someone who likes to read a lot.
I think its funny that they say the ipad has any semplance of multi-tasking. Notifications of emails and the like does not equal multi-tasking if you have to exit the app that your in to read them.
And when that app is configured to save state properly and the transtion is seamless when you return to it, will most people ever notice the difference? Never mind that hypothesis that the next major revision of the iPad/iPhone OS will include "true" multitasking.
Also comparing a tablet-lite to a dedicated e-book reader is not a fair comparision.
Why not? Because one can do everything the other can do plus a bunch more for nearly the same price? Again, most people will not care how or why this particular piece of magic glass does more or less than this other piece if they achieve the stated goal for a similar price. After that point everything else one device can do extra or better than the other swings the purchaseometer in its favour.
That's... not exactly a fair graph. They compare the cheapest low-end version of the iPad to high-end version of other readers?
that's actually very fair; the lowest end iPad still has a much larger screen, way more RAM, and more functionality than the comparably priced e-readers it is competing against.
It just lacks eInk screen technology. That's the "tradeoff"
It's not fair because you're comparing two completely different things. As people with the 16GB iPad will soon find out, 16GB is just not enough for a tablet computer. I have a 16GB iPhone, and I would hardly consider myself app crazy. Even so, I'm constantly needing to pick and choose what I need to load onto my iPhone on a given day because there's not enough room for everything. And I imagine iPad apps are larger than iPhone apps.
And why is 16 gigs not enough? these apps aren't clocking in at MUCH larger than their iPhone bretheren, and there are more and more good streaming options available for the space hogging media (namely video) that remove the need to have an entire library of movies stored on there.
Those 16 gigs could go a long way on a device like this.
Many games are multiple gigs, plus throw some videos on, some music, a few photo albums, system reserve--trust me it fills up quickly. My iPhone is always maxed out, and I have maybe 1/5th of my music collection on it.
I think its funny that they say the ipad has any semplance of multi-tasking. Notifications of emails and the like does not equal multi-tasking if you have to exit the app that your in to read them. Also comparing a tablet-lite to a dedicated e-book reader is not a fair comparision.
To the LCD vs e-Ink argument. It is personal preference but I am getting up there in age. I used to be able to stare at screens all day no problem. Now that I am getting into my mid 30s it is straining my eyes more and reading on my Kindle instead of a LCD when I get home is just glorious. Who the hell reads in the dark? I never did that when I could stare at lcds all day why would I do that now? To me it is a non issue for backlighting as I will have a light on if I am going to read at night. Did they use a different screen and cover for the iPad? If not then good luck reading it in direct sunlight as well. I have a hard time with my Touch.
As to multitasking...iPhone OS 4.0 is out there somewhere. I'm thinking there's a better than even chance that it has multitasking.
I think its funny that they say the ipad has any semplance of multi-tasking. Notifications of emails and the like does not equal multi-tasking if you have to exit the app that your in to read them.
And when that app is configured to save state properly and the transtion is seamless when you return to it, will most people ever notice the difference? Never mind that hypothesis that the next major revision of the iPad/iPhone OS will include "true" multitasking.
Also comparing a tablet-lite to a dedicated e-book reader is not a fair comparision.
Why not? Because one can do everything the other can do plus a bunch more for nearly the same price? Again, most people will not care how or why this particular piece of magic glass does more or less than this other piece if they achieve the stated goal for a similar price. After that point everything else one device can do extra or better than the other swings the purchaseometer in its favour.
Ok then its a bastard form of multi-tasking.
And it is not a fair comparison. It would be akin to camparing a machine that mashes apples to one that presses the juice out. Do you get apple juice out of both? In some regards but it is still not the same thing.
If the Kindle falls to $100, i'm buying my daughter one. She does enough reading it would be totally worth it. Coupled with buying her Amazon gift cards so she could just buy the books she wants would be awesome.
If the kindle doesn't fall in price more there is going to be the Kobo reader in the next month that is 150.00
I think its funny that they say the ipad has any semplance of multi-tasking. Notifications of emails and the like does not equal multi-tasking if you have to exit the app that your in to read them.
And when that app is configured to save state properly and the transtion is seamless when you return to it, will most people ever notice the difference? Never mind that hypothesis that the next major revision of the iPad/iPhone OS will include "true" multitasking.
Also comparing a tablet-lite to a dedicated e-book reader is not a fair comparision.
Why not? Because one can do everything the other can do plus a bunch more for nearly the same price? Again, most people will not care how or why thisparticular piece of magic glass does more or less than thisother piece if they achieve the stated goal for a similar price. After that point everything else one device can do extra or better than the other swings the purchaseometer in its favour.
Unless more and more publishers jump ship from Amazon I dont see how a new eBook reader for 150 bucks will make much of a difference when compared to the big boys. Ive played with the Sony, Nook and have a Kindle because it is the best full package not just because it has an e-Ink display.
Edit: Amazon already caved anyway, I think, to keep the publishers they have and added two more major ones.
Unless more and more publishers jump ship from Amazon I dont see how a new eBook reader for 150 bucks will make much of a difference when compared to the big boys. Ive played with the Sony, Nook and have a Kindle because it is the best full package not just because it has an e-Ink display.
Edit: Amazon already caved anyway, I think, to keep the publishers they have and added two more major ones.
A super cheap ereader in the 100 dollar range does make a difference in the fact that everyone can buy one. Last time I checked you didn't need 3g/wifi to read a book. Normal books don't have that stuff so whats wrong with something that just read books for cheap?
Unless more and more publishers jump ship from Amazon I dont see how a new eBook reader for 150 bucks will make much of a difference when compared to the big boys. Ive played with the Sony, Nook and have a Kindle because it is the best full package not just because it has an e-Ink display.
Edit: Amazon already caved anyway, I think, to keep the publishers they have and added two more major ones.
A super cheap ereader in the 100 dollar range does make a difference in the fact that everyone can buy one. Last time I checked you didn't need 3g/wifi to read a book. Normal books don't have that stuff so whats wrong with something that just read books for cheap?
Fair enough. And to be honest I would think Amazon would drop the price but the functionality you lose drops the ease of use. 3G/Wireless while some deem unescesary when I was in Denver it was nice to be able to turn the switch on and get another book in about 10 seconds waiting on the flight. Also I have a fresh paper in the morning with a quick synch as well. I am a functionality type of guy and lazy as well. If my gizmo just works then all the better for me.
Unless more and more publishers jump ship from Amazon I dont see how a new eBook reader for 150 bucks will make much of a difference when compared to the big boys. Ive played with the Sony, Nook and have a Kindle because it is the best full package not just because it has an e-Ink display.
Edit: Amazon already caved anyway, I think, to keep the publishers they have and added two more major ones.
A super cheap ereader in the 100 dollar range does make a difference in the fact that everyone can buy one. Last time I checked you didn't need 3g/wifi to read a book. Normal books don't have that stuff so whats wrong with something that just read books for cheap?
Fair enough. And to be honest I would think Amazon would drop the price but the functionality you lose drops the ease of use. 3G/Wireless while some deem unescesary when I was in Denver it was nice to be able to turn the switch on and get another book in about 10 seconds waiting on the flight. Also I have a fresh paper in the morning with a quick synch as well. I am a functionality type of guy and lazy as well. If my gizmo just works then all the better for me.
Maybe they will drop the price but leave 3g or wifi?
Unless more and more publishers jump ship from Amazon I dont see how a new eBook reader for 150 bucks will make much of a difference when compared to the big boys. Ive played with the Sony, Nook and have a Kindle because it is the best full package not just because it has an e-Ink display.
Edit: Amazon already caved anyway, I think, to keep the publishers they have and added two more major ones.
A super cheap ereader in the 100 dollar range does make a difference in the fact that everyone can buy one. Last time I checked you didn't need 3g/wifi to read a book. Normal books don't have that stuff so whats wrong with something that just read books for cheap?
Fair enough. And to be honest I would think Amazon would drop the price but the functionality you lose drops the ease of use. 3G/Wireless while some deem unescesary when I was in Denver it was nice to be able to turn the switch on and get another book in about 10 seconds waiting on the flight. Also I have a fresh paper in the morning with a quick synch as well. I am a functionality type of guy and lazy as well. If my gizmo just works then all the better for me.
Maybe they will drop the price but leave 3g or wifi?
They could but if they drop the price I see them removing functionality. I could be wrong but I would think Bezos would make a Kindle Lite that comes with 1gig or less of space with the only connection being USB. I think they are already taking a hit PS3 style from either the device or the books, if I remember correctly, to try to increase market share.
I think I've read that pricing out the specs of the Kindle indicates they're already making a massive profit on the device alone. It's not inconceivable that they could drop the price to $100, and still come out ahead.
We've all heard the rumors of a touch/color version being announced sometime within the next year. I wonder about the possibility of that becoming their $260 device, and maybe keeping the K2 available, but dropping the price on that as an entry-level device.
I think I've read that pricing out the specs of the Kindle indicates they're already making a massive profit on the device alone. It's not inconceivable that they could drop the price to $100, and still come out ahead.
We've all heard the rumors of a touch/color version being announced sometime within the next year. I wonder about the possibility of that becoming their $260 device, and maybe keeping the K2 available, but dropping the price on that as an entry-level device.
Ugh.... I hope no touch screen. Touchscreen means glass over the screen which means glare.
I think I've read that pricing out the specs of the Kindle indicates they're already making a massive profit on the device alone. It's not inconceivable that they could drop the price to $100, and still come out ahead.
We've all heard the rumors of a touch/color version being announced sometime within the next year. I wonder about the possibility of that becoming their $260 device, and maybe keeping the K2 available, but dropping the price on that as an entry-level device.
Ugh.... I hope no touch screen. Touchscreen means glass over the screen which means glare.
Not true at all. Skiff screen is made out of foil and it is touch screen.
My Sony eReader was $160. Only allows me to read books, no 3G/wifi or anything else, I don't need any extra features. I love it. There are cheap options out there people.
Also comparing a tablet-lite to a dedicated e-book reader is not a fair comparision.
Why not? Because one can do everything the other can do plus a bunch more for nearly the same price? Again, most people will not care how or why thisparticular piece of magic glass does more or less than thisother piece if they achieve the stated goal for a similar price. After that point everything else one device can do extra or better than the other swings the purchaseometer in its favour.
And you found the reason people hate iTools.
Could you explain your line of reasoning more clearly please? Because, from here, it looks like you have seized on a fragment of a sentence, dragged it out of context, smeared your own interpretation all over it, and declared yourself victor of a game no-one else is actually playing...o_O
Also comparing a tablet-lite to a dedicated e-book reader is not a fair comparision.
Why not? Because one can do everything the other can do plus a bunch more for nearly the same price? Again, most people will not care how or why thisparticular piece of magic glass does more or less than thisother piece if they achieve the stated goal for a similar price. After that point everything else one device can do extra or better than the other swings the purchaseometer in its favour.
And you found the reason people hate iTools.
Could you explain your line of reasoning more clearly please? Because, from here, it looks like you have seized on a fragment of a sentence, dragged it out of context, smeared your own interpretation all over it, and declared yourself victor of a game no-one else is actually playing...o_O
And you found the reason people hate strobe lights.
Also comparing a tablet-lite to a dedicated e-book reader is not a fair comparision.
Why not? Because one can do everything the other can do plus a bunch more for nearly the same price? Again, most people will not care how or why thisparticular piece of magic glass does more or less than thisother piece if they achieve the stated goal for a similar price. After that point everything else one device can do extra or better than the other swings the purchaseometer in its favour.
And you found the reason people hate iTools.
Could you explain your line of reasoning more clearly please? Because, from here, it looks like you have seized on a fragment of a sentence, dragged it out of context, smeared your own interpretation all over it, and declared yourself victor of a game no-one else is actually playing...o_O
You are pointing out the lack of understanding that people have when it comes to one device versus another device. The consumers only see that there is this one device that does just about everything for the same price of something that only reads books. This lack of understanding of the differences between the ipad and ereaders will royally screw up the sales of ereaders on the higher priced end.
Also comparing a tablet-lite to a dedicated e-book reader is not a fair comparision.
Why not? Because one can do everything the other can do plus a bunch more for nearly the same price? Again, most people will not care how or why thisparticular piece of magic glass does more or less than thisother piece if they achieve the stated goal for a similar price. After that point everything else one device can do extra or better than the other swings the purchaseometer in its favour.
And you found the reason people hate iTools.
Could you explain your line of reasoning more clearly please? Because, from here, it looks like you have seized on a fragment of a sentence, dragged it out of context, smeared your own interpretation all over it, and declared yourself victor of a game no-one else is actually playing...o_O
I think its pretty obvious what his line of reasoning was. Because there is an app for it means it does exactly the same thing as a gadget dedicated to that same process and just as well. Or so some people tend to think.
Also comparing a tablet-lite to a dedicated e-book reader is not a fair comparision.
Why not? Because one can do everything the other can do plus a bunch more for nearly the same price? Again, most people will not care how or why thisparticular piece of magic glass does more or less than thisother piece if they achieve the stated goal for a similar price. After that point everything else one device can do extra or better than the other swings the purchaseometer in its favour.
And you found the reason people hate iTools.
Could you explain your line of reasoning more clearly please? Because, from here, it looks like you have seized on a fragment of a sentence, dragged it out of context, smeared your own interpretation all over it, and declared yourself victor of a game no-one else is actually playing...o_O
You are pointing out the lack of understanding that people have when it comes to one device versus another device. The consumers only see that there is this one device that does just about everything for the same price of something that only reads books. This lack of understanding of the differences between the ipad and ereaders will royally screw up the sales of ereaders on the higher priced end.
Until they try to put a few movies, thier music and a bunch of apps on it.
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Also comparing a tablet-lite to a dedicated e-book reader is not a fair comparision.
Why not? Because one can do everything the other can do plus a bunch more for nearly the same price? Again, most people will not care how or why thisparticular piece of magic glass does more or less than thisother piece if they achieve the stated goal for a similar price. After that point everything else one device can do extra or better than the other swings the purchaseometer in its favour.
And you found the reason people hate iTools.
Could you explain your line of reasoning more clearly please? Because, from here, it looks like you have seized on a fragment of a sentence, dragged it out of context, smeared your own interpretation all over it, and declared yourself victor of a game no-one else is actually playing...o_O
You are pointing out the lack of understanding that people have when it comes to one device versus another device. The consumers only see that there is this one device that does just about everything for the same price of something that only reads books. This lack of understanding of the differences between the ipad and ereaders will royally screw up the sales of ereaders on the higher priced end.
Until they try to put a few movies, thier music and a bunch of apps on it.
I personally plan on still using my iPhone as the primary music player, and since it is already toting my music collection around, why have it on me twice? I might have a movie or two on the iPad for consumption on a flight, but I expect to stream most of my big content as opposed to locally storing it.
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Let's play Mario Kart or something...
Also comparing a tablet-lite to a dedicated e-book reader is not a fair comparision.
Why not? Because one can do everything the other can do plus a bunch more for nearly the same price? Again, most people will not care how or why thisparticular piece of magic glass does more or less than thisother piece if they achieve the stated goal for a similar price. After that point everything else one device can do extra or better than the other swings the purchaseometer in its favour.
And you found the reason people hate iTools.
Could you explain your line of reasoning more clearly please? Because, from here, it looks like you have seized on a fragment of a sentence, dragged it out of context, smeared your own interpretation all over it, and declared yourself victor of a game no-one else is actually playing...o_O
You are pointing out the lack of understanding that people have when it comes to one device versus another device. The consumers only see that there is this one device that does just about everything for the same price of something that only reads books. This lack of understanding of the differences between the ipad and ereaders will royally screw up the sales of ereaders on the higher priced end.
Until they try to put a few movies, thier music and a bunch of apps on it.
I personally plan on still using my iPhone as the primary music player, and since it is already toting my music collection around, why have it on me twice? I might have a movie or two on the iPad for consumption on a flight, but I expect to stream most of my big content as opposed to locally storing it.
Would you consider yourself an average user? I wouldnt.
Also comparing a tablet-lite to a dedicated e-book reader is not a fair comparision.
Why not? Because one can do everything the other can do plus a bunch more for nearly the same price? Again, most people will not care how or why thisparticular piece of magic glass does more or less than thisother piece if they achieve the stated goal for a similar price. After that point everything else one device can do extra or better than the other swings the purchaseometer in its favour.
And you found the reason people hate iTools.
Could you explain your line of reasoning more clearly please? Because, from here, it looks like you have seized on a fragment of a sentence, dragged it out of context, smeared your own interpretation all over it, and declared yourself victor of a game no-one else is actually playing...o_O
You are pointing out the lack of understanding that people have when it comes to one device versus another device. The consumers only see that there is this one device that does just about everything for the same price of something that only reads books. This lack of understanding of the differences between the ipad and ereaders will royally screw up the sales of ereaders on the higher priced end.
Until they try to put a few movies, thier music and a bunch of apps on it.
I feel that they should become so cheap that they can pretty much replace paper and books. Be durable so you can throw them around and allow hand writing on them for class notes.
I think both tablet pcs and epaper both have their place in the market as devices that do different thing. I think if people give epaper a chance one day you will see it completely replace paper.
Also comparing a tablet-lite to a dedicated e-book reader is not a fair comparision.
Why not? Because one can do everything the other can do plus a bunch more for nearly the same price? Again, most people will not care how or why thisparticular piece of magic glass does more or less than thisother piece if they achieve the stated goal for a similar price. After that point everything else one device can do extra or better than the other swings the purchaseometer in its favour.
And you found the reason people hate iTools.
Could you explain your line of reasoning more clearly please? Because, from here, it looks like you have seized on a fragment of a sentence, dragged it out of context, smeared your own interpretation all over it, and declared yourself victor of a game no-one else is actually playing...o_O
You are pointing out the lack of understanding that people have when it comes to one device versus another device. The consumers only see that there is this one device that does just about everything for the same price of something that only reads books. This lack of understanding of the differences between the ipad and ereaders will royally screw up the sales of ereaders on the higher priced end.
Until they try to put a few movies, thier music and a bunch of apps on it.
Yeah but right now I don't see that as the point of electronic paper devices. I feel that they should become so cheap that they can pretty much replace paper and books. Be durable so you can throw them around and allow hand writing on them for class notes.
I think both tablet pcs and epaper both have their place in the market as devices that do different thing. I think if people give epaper a chance one day you will see it completely replace paper.
Oh I disagree. My Kindle is the best purchase I have made in a looooooonnnnggg time.
Also comparing a tablet-lite to a dedicated e-book reader is not a fair comparision.
Why not? Because one can do everything the other can do plus a bunch more for nearly the same price? Again, most people will not care how or why thisparticular piece of magic glass does more or less than thisother piece if they achieve the stated goal for a similar price. After that point everything else one device can do extra or better than the other swings the purchaseometer in its favour.
And you found the reason people hate iTools.
Could you explain your line of reasoning more clearly please? Because, from here, it looks like you have seized on a fragment of a sentence, dragged it out of context, smeared your own interpretation all over it, and declared yourself victor of a game no-one else is actually playing...o_O
You are pointing out the lack of understanding that people have when it comes to one device versus another device. The consumers only see that there is this one device that does just about everything for the same price of something that only reads books. This lack of understanding of the differences between the ipad and ereaders will royally screw up the sales of ereaders on the higher priced end.
Until they try to put a few movies, thier music and a bunch of apps on it.
Yeah but right now I don't see that as the point of electronic paper devices. I feel that they should become so cheap that they can pretty much replace paper and books. Be durable so you can throw them around and allow hand writing on them for class notes.
I think both tablet pcs and epaper both have their place in the market as devices that do different thing. I think if people give epaper a chance one day you will see it completely replace paper.
Oh I disagree. My Kindle is the best purchase I have made in a looooooonnnnggg time.
Oh sorry that was a huge huge type on my part. I think epaper is the best thing ever.
A big part of the reason I don't like the iPad is that Apple is screwing up several markets with it.
It's being compared to eReaders. Many of us can handle reading on LCDs because we're used it. Average people cannot especially older people, I know this from experience.
eBook and ePublication prices are jumping now thanks to Apple. Many in failing publications are pinning all their hopes on the iPad.
It's being compared to a netbook bj Jobs himself. This is wrong on so many levels. Besides the fact that it's already sometimes hard to convince people to get a netbook when that's all they actually need.
It's being compared to real tablets. The iPad is a gimped tablet but many people will think this is what a tablet is. Netbook tablets can be purchased for the same price as the entry level iPad.
A big part of the reason I don't like the iPad is that Apple is screwing up several markets with it.
It's being compared to eReaders. Many of us can handle reading on LCDs because we're used it. Average people cannot especially older people, I know this from experience.
eBook and ePublication prices are jumping now thanks to Apple. Many in failing publications are pinning all their hopes on the iPad.
It's being compared to a netbook bj Jobs himself. This is wrong on so many levels. Besides the fact that it's already sometimes hard to convince people to get a netbook when that's all they actually need.
It's being compared to real tablets. The iPad is a gimped tablet but many people will think this is what a tablet is. Netbook tablets can be purchased for the same price as the entry level iPad.
Yeah. About your first point; My dad who has been unable to read even regular books because his vision is getting that bad was able to read my Kindle for about a 3 hour stint with no problems and no tiredness. I thought that was wonderful and if they release a new kindle I will give him my old one. I am almost ready to buy them one as both mom and dad want to read and were able to use my Kindle no problem.
A big part of the reason I don't like the iPad is that Apple is screwing up several markets with it.
It's being compared to eReaders. Many of us can handle reading on LCDs because we're used it. Average people cannot especially older people, I know this from experience.
eBook and ePublication prices are jumping now thanks to Apple. Many in failing publications are pinning all their hopes on the iPad.
It's being compared to a netbook bj Jobs himself. This is wrong on so many levels. Besides the fact that it's already sometimes hard to convince people to get a netbook when that's all they actually need.
It's being compared to real tablets. The iPad is a gimped tablet but many people will think this is what a tablet is. Netbook tablets can be purchased for the same price as the entry level iPad.
Thats what pisses me off. Is the fact that the ipad is going to kill of tons off wonderful ereaders and other tablets.
In the "eReaders are just plain cool" department, I'm using my Kindle to do a little academic reading now and I'm in love with the highlighting function. It leaves me with a little list of excerpts, which is exactly what I want when I'm writing a paper.
I don't know how to cite my eBooks, though. I feel like (Butler 3%) and (Butler Kindle Location 115-18) are both not likely to fly. Thoughts?
In the "eReaders are just plain cool" department, I'm using my Kindle to do a little academic reading now and I'm in love with the highlighting function. It leaves me with a little list of excerpts, which is exactly what I want when I'm writing a paper.
I don't know how to cite my eBooks, though. I feel like (Butler 3%) and (Butler Kindle Location 115-18) are both not likely to fly. Thoughts?
You're going to have to do it the old-fashioned way and go to the library so you can get an actual page reference. Unless you can find a PDF of the book or article in some database.
In the "eReaders are just plain cool" department, I'm using my Kindle to do a little academic reading now and I'm in love with the highlighting function. It leaves me with a little list of excerpts, which is exactly what I want when I'm writing a paper.
I don't know how to cite my eBooks, though. I feel like (Butler 3%) and (Butler Kindle Location 115-18) are both not likely to fly. Thoughts?
You're going to have to do it the old-fashioned way and go to the library so you can get an actual page reference. Unless you can find a PDF of the book or article in some database.
[*]It's being compared to real tablets. The iPad is a gimped tablet but many people will think this is what a tablet is. Netbook tablets can be purchased for the same price as the entry level iPad.
Thank You. Finally, someone else who actually recognizes that there were tablets before a few years ago when the iPad rumors started. And more importantly that they are actually something completely different from an upsized PDA
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Thank You. Finally, someone else who actually recognizes that there were tablets before a few years ago when the iPad rumors started. And more importantly that they are actually something completely different from an upsized PDA
Here's the thing; these devices have not taken off previously (if they had, we'd all have one already): Why not?
Is it because they aren't made by Apple and no-one buys things that aren't made by Apple? Don't be such a goose.
Is it because they are overpriced? Not in comparison to similar solutions.
Is it because they are/were under-marketed? Quite likely, since only people who were looking for them previously have ever heard of such a thing.
Is it because the five people who actually bought each one spent five minutes* with the device and found it broadly unusable due to poorly integrated touch controls shoe-horned into a mse/kbd based OS? Fuck yes.
Specifically, it's these last two that have previously kept the convertible/slate netbook/laptop markets niche and that niche slow-growing. What the market needs is someone with the clout and, frankly, the brass balls to just go out there and sell a device no-one has ever used before to people who hate computers.
*Metaphorical five minutes; typically the user will spend several hours n the first day, setting everything up the way they want then a couple the next, trying to get their usual day's work done, then fits and starts the third day trying to find something the new toy does better then the old ones then giving up in disgust on the fourth day when the charge dies and it never gets charged again...
Thank You. Finally, someone else who actually recognizes that there were tablets before a few years ago when the iPad rumors started. And more importantly that they are actually something completely different from an upsized PDA
Here's the thing; these devices have not taken off previously (if they had, we'd all have one already): Why not?
Is it because they aren't made by Apple and no-one buys things that aren't made by Apple? Don't be such a goose.
Is it because they are overpriced? Not in comparison to similar solutions.
Is it because they are/were under-marketed? Quite likely, since only people who were looking for them previously have ever heard of such a thing.
Is it because the five people who actually bought each one spent five minutes* with the device and found it broadly unusable due to poorly integrated touch controls shoe-horned into a mse/kbd based OS? Fuck yes.
Specifically, it's these last two that have previously kept the convertible/slate netbook/laptop markets niche and that niche slow-growing. What the market needs is someone with the clout and, frankly, the brass balls to just go out there and sell a device no-one has ever used before to people who hate computers.
*Metaphorical five minutes; typically the user will spend several hours n the first day, setting everything up the way they want then a couple the next, trying to get their usual day's work done, then fits and starts the third day trying to find something the new toy does better then the old ones then giving up in disgust on the fourth day when the charge dies and it never gets charged again...
People who actually wanted tablets could have easily gotten them. Wacom has many different specialized tablets available. You should see the medical tablets that are liquid proof, have bar code scanners, & are sensitive enough that doctors can use the styles to sign digital forms on them.
Other companies have tablets out as well. After this iPad frenzy dies down a bit some people will be upset when they see the full Windows tablets. I'm eventually going to get one and I will go out of my way to get Windows Voice commands working on it. Just because I know Apple douche bag fanboys will try to make fun of my tablet.
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I do it every day. I had an ink reader and sold it to go back to LCD.
"If you're going to play tiddly winks, play it with man hole covers."
- John McCallum
To the LCD vs e-Ink argument. It is personal preference but I am getting up there in age. I used to be able to stare at screens all day no problem. Now that I am getting into my mid 30s it is straining my eyes more and reading on my Kindle instead of a LCD when I get home is just glorious. Who the hell reads in the dark? I never did that when I could stare at lcds all day why would I do that now? To me it is a non issue for backlighting as I will have a light on if I am going to read at night. Did they use a different screen and cover for the iPad? If not then good luck reading it in direct sunlight as well. I have a hard time with my Touch.
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"Look guys this is getting ridiculous. People like different things."
Many games are multiple gigs, plus throw some videos on, some music, a few photo albums, system reserve--trust me it fills up quickly. My iPhone is always maxed out, and I have maybe 1/5th of my music collection on it.
As to multitasking...iPhone OS 4.0 is out there somewhere. I'm thinking there's a better than even chance that it has multitasking.
Ok then its a bastard form of multi-tasking.
And it is not a fair comparison. It would be akin to camparing a machine that mashes apples to one that presses the juice out. Do you get apple juice out of both? In some regards but it is still not the same thing.
If the kindle doesn't fall in price more there is going to be the Kobo reader in the next month that is 150.00
And you found the reason people hate iTools.
Edit: Amazon already caved anyway, I think, to keep the publishers they have and added two more major ones.
A super cheap ereader in the 100 dollar range does make a difference in the fact that everyone can buy one. Last time I checked you didn't need 3g/wifi to read a book. Normal books don't have that stuff so whats wrong with something that just read books for cheap?
Fair enough. And to be honest I would think Amazon would drop the price but the functionality you lose drops the ease of use. 3G/Wireless while some deem unescesary when I was in Denver it was nice to be able to turn the switch on and get another book in about 10 seconds waiting on the flight. Also I have a fresh paper in the morning with a quick synch as well. I am a functionality type of guy and lazy as well. If my gizmo just works then all the better for me.
Maybe they will drop the price but leave 3g or wifi?
They could but if they drop the price I see them removing functionality. I could be wrong but I would think Bezos would make a Kindle Lite that comes with 1gig or less of space with the only connection being USB. I think they are already taking a hit PS3 style from either the device or the books, if I remember correctly, to try to increase market share.
We've all heard the rumors of a touch/color version being announced sometime within the next year. I wonder about the possibility of that becoming their $260 device, and maybe keeping the K2 available, but dropping the price on that as an entry-level device.
Ugh.... I hope no touch screen. Touchscreen means glass over the screen which means glare.
Not true at all. Skiff screen is made out of foil and it is touch screen.
Could you explain your line of reasoning more clearly please? Because, from here, it looks like you have seized on a fragment of a sentence, dragged it out of context, smeared your own interpretation all over it, and declared yourself victor of a game no-one else is actually playing...o_O
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And you found the reason people hate strobe lights.
You are pointing out the lack of understanding that people have when it comes to one device versus another device. The consumers only see that there is this one device that does just about everything for the same price of something that only reads books. This lack of understanding of the differences between the ipad and ereaders will royally screw up the sales of ereaders on the higher priced end.
I think its pretty obvious what his line of reasoning was. Because there is an app for it means it does exactly the same thing as a gadget dedicated to that same process and just as well. Or so some people tend to think.
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
Would you consider yourself an average user? I wouldnt.
I think both tablet pcs and epaper both have their place in the market as devices that do different thing. I think if people give epaper a chance one day you will see it completely replace paper.
Oh I disagree. My Kindle is the best purchase I have made in a looooooonnnnggg time.
Oh sorry that was a huge huge type on my part. I think epaper is the best thing ever.
Yeah. About your first point; My dad who has been unable to read even regular books because his vision is getting that bad was able to read my Kindle for about a 3 hour stint with no problems and no tiredness. I thought that was wonderful and if they release a new kindle I will give him my old one. I am almost ready to buy them one as both mom and dad want to read and were able to use my Kindle no problem.
Thats what pisses me off. Is the fact that the ipad is going to kill of tons off wonderful ereaders and other tablets.
I don't know how to cite my eBooks, though. I feel like (Butler 3%) and (Butler Kindle Location 115-18) are both not likely to fly. Thoughts?
You're going to have to do it the old-fashioned way and go to the library so you can get an actual page reference. Unless you can find a PDF of the book or article in some database.
I hate the old fashion way.
Thank You. Finally, someone else who actually recognizes that there were tablets before a few years ago when the iPad rumors started. And more importantly that they are actually something completely different from an upsized PDA
Is it because they aren't made by Apple and no-one buys things that aren't made by Apple? Don't be such a goose.
Is it because they are overpriced? Not in comparison to similar solutions.
Is it because they are/were under-marketed? Quite likely, since only people who were looking for them previously have ever heard of such a thing.
Is it because the five people who actually bought each one spent five minutes* with the device and found it broadly unusable due to poorly integrated touch controls shoe-horned into a mse/kbd based OS? Fuck yes.
Specifically, it's these last two that have previously kept the convertible/slate netbook/laptop markets niche and that niche slow-growing. What the market needs is someone with the clout and, frankly, the brass balls to just go out there and sell a device no-one has ever used before to people who hate computers.
*Metaphorical five minutes; typically the user will spend several hours n the first day, setting everything up the way they want then a couple the next, trying to get their usual day's work done, then fits and starts the third day trying to find something the new toy does better then the old ones then giving up in disgust on the fourth day when the charge dies and it never gets charged again...
Nintendo Network ID: AzraelRose
DropBox invite link - get 500MB extra free.
People who actually wanted tablets could have easily gotten them. Wacom has many different specialized tablets available. You should see the medical tablets that are liquid proof, have bar code scanners, & are sensitive enough that doctors can use the styles to sign digital forms on them.
Other companies have tablets out as well. After this iPad frenzy dies down a bit some people will be upset when they see the full Windows tablets. I'm eventually going to get one and I will go out of my way to get Windows Voice commands working on it. Just because I know Apple douche bag fanboys will try to make fun of my tablet.