Blake TDo you have enemies then?Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.Registered Userregular
edited December 2009
Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100.
If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this
The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1.
The sixth would pay $3.
The seventh would pay $7.
The eighth would pay $12.
The ninth would pay $18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.
So, that’s what they decided to do.
The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve.
'Since you are all such good customers,' he said, 'I’m going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20. Drinks for the ten now cost just $80.'
The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes.
So the first four men were unaffected.
They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men? The paying customers?
How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his fair share?
They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody’s share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer.
So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man’s bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.
And so the fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings)
The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33% savings).
The seventh now pay $5 instead of $7 (28% savings).
The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).
The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 ( 22% savings).
The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).
Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings.
'I only got a dollar out of the $ 20,' declared the sixth man.
He pointed to the tenth man, but he got $10!'
'Yeah, that’s right,' exclaimed the fifth man. 'I only saved a Dollar, too. It’s unfair that he got ten times more than I!'
'That’s true!!' shouted the seventh man. 'Why should he get $10 back when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!'
'Wait a minute,' yelled the first four men in unison. 'We didn’t get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!'
The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.
The next night the tenth man didn’t show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn’t have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!
Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100.
If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this
The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1.
The sixth would pay $3.
The seventh would pay $7.
The eighth would pay $12.
The ninth would pay $18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.
So, that’s what they decided to do.
The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve.
'Since you are all such good customers,' he said, 'I’m going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20. Drinks for the ten now cost just $80.'
The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes.
So the first four men were unaffected.
They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men? The paying customers?
How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his fair share?
They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody’s share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer.
So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man’s bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.
And so the fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings)
The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33% savings).
The seventh now pay $5 instead of $7 (28% savings).
The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).
The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 ( 22% savings).
The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).
Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings.
'I only got a dollar out of the $ 20,' declared the sixth man.
He pointed to the tenth man, but he got $10!'
'Yeah, that’s right,' exclaimed the fifth man. 'I only saved a Dollar, too. It’s unfair that he got ten times more than I!'
'That’s true!!' shouted the seventh man. 'Why should he get $10 back when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!'
'Wait a minute,' yelled the first four men in unison. 'We didn’t get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!'
The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.
The next night the tenth man didn’t show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn’t have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!
Blake TDo you have enemies then?Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.Registered Userregular
edited December 2009
Who would have guessed that a higher effort in and an acceptance of greater risk would give me increased rewards. I mean I'm basically stealing aren't I!
and by 'ahead' i mean 'not deaconblues level dumb'
Please tell me what is unfair about the person paying the most money making the greatest saving.
its more of the implication that the poor are some kind of cannibalistic welfare royalty that engorge themselves on the flesh and cash of hard-workin' rich people
but hey: 'its so hard being rich, white and living in the first world, let me tell you internets!' works too
Who would have guessed that a higher effort in and an acceptance of greater risk would give me increased rewards. I mean I'm basically stealing aren't I!
Who would have guessed that a higher effort in and an acceptance of greater risk would give me increased rewards. I mean I'm basically stealing aren't I!
well blake you see many impoverished people grow up in impoverished communities, which have substandard schools, which ill prepare them for the sort of effort and risk you're talking about
unfortunately, to make these schools better, and ensure enough children live to go to them, it falls on people who are making a decent living to help out by paying an amount of money that would normally go unnoticed otherwise to improve schools, and fund things like work programs so that more poor people can become hard working tax paying citizens like yourself
Yes because a bad day as a factory worker involves wasting a few hundred dollars worth of stock.
A bad day for me involves the factory falling on everyone and killing them all!
I have done both jobs tfs (unlike you!) and the lack or responsibility is pretty neat in minimum wage jobs, the increase in responsibility coupled with an increase in money allows me more finacial freedom to do things when I'm not working.
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I might be able to dispute it, but I can't be bothered.
I could try and offset the bank fees paid to the interest acrued and stuff. But I kinda can't be bothered,.
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If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this
The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1.
The sixth would pay $3.
The seventh would pay $7.
The eighth would pay $12.
The ninth would pay $18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.
So, that’s what they decided to do.
The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve.
'Since you are all such good customers,' he said, 'I’m going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20. Drinks for the ten now cost just $80.'
The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes.
So the first four men were unaffected.
They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men? The paying customers?
How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his fair share?
They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody’s share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer.
So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man’s bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.
And so the fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings)
The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33% savings).
The seventh now pay $5 instead of $7 (28% savings).
The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).
The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 ( 22% savings).
The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).
Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings.
'I only got a dollar out of the $ 20,' declared the sixth man.
He pointed to the tenth man, but he got $10!'
'Yeah, that’s right,' exclaimed the fifth man. 'I only saved a Dollar, too. It’s unfair that he got ten times more than I!'
'That’s true!!' shouted the seventh man. 'Why should he get $10 back when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!'
'Wait a minute,' yelled the first four men in unison. 'We didn’t get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!'
The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.
The next night the tenth man didn’t show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn’t have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!
Satans..... hints.....
see the fact that you can't be bothered to save $200 is sort of what I'm talking about
steam
I'm not sure if one offsets the other!
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what is this dumb shit
moral of the story, people are dumb.
blake please quit while youre ahead
Man, the Bar tender got his cash, he didn't care.
Satans..... hints.....
it was not a good feeling
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I am asking what is unfair about it when it is also applied to tax cuts.
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the bartender has become the rich man
an ourobouros of hoarding capital
but the story you posted Blaket was still pretty terrible
steam
oh no
Satans..... hints.....
its more of the implication that the poor are some kind of cannibalistic welfare royalty that engorge themselves on the flesh and cash of hard-workin' rich people
but hey: 'its so hard being rich, white and living in the first world, let me tell you internets!' works too
But really fuck America's healthcare
steam
what do you do for a living
well blake you see many impoverished people grow up in impoverished communities, which have substandard schools, which ill prepare them for the sort of effort and risk you're talking about
unfortunately, to make these schools better, and ensure enough children live to go to them, it falls on people who are making a decent living to help out by paying an amount of money that would normally go unnoticed otherwise to improve schools, and fund things like work programs so that more poor people can become hard working tax paying citizens like yourself
Minimum wage job ($6.35) doing buttloads of work literally cleaning up shit and puke at times.
I hated it so much.
where's the relevant onion cartoon
steam
you cant be bothered to save any of the money you're complaining about losing and you think the poor deserve less money
Yes because a bad day as a factory worker involves wasting a few hundred dollars worth of stock.
A bad day for me involves the factory falling on everyone and killing them all!
I have done both jobs tfs (unlike you!) and the lack or responsibility is pretty neat in minimum wage jobs, the increase in responsibility coupled with an increase in money allows me more finacial freedom to do things when I'm not working.
Satans..... hints.....