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http://www.mcvuk.com/news/37079/UK-CHARTS-MW2-claims-ninth-no1 Nice numbers for Bayonetta.
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360 games don't look better enough than Wii games for it to really be important or significant. I thought graphics would be more improved than they are but as has been said, it's all just post processing. Animation quality is the same as last gen. A lot of games lack texture resolution or AA. It's nothing special.
There is a difference between being impressed and actively disliking them. I don't really notice most of the pretty graphics after about five minutes of most games. For example, Crysis stopped being "OOOOOOOH, PRETTY!" after about five minutes and started to be more about shooting guys in the back after decloaking. The same is true with most games with fairly bad graphics as long as they aren't REALLY early 3d or 2d stuff. On the other hand, I do notice most of the other stuff that comes with increased power like the physics. Pity most of the games still make shoddy use of that stuff.
Unique art styles, ala NMH, MadWorld or SMG.
But haven't you heard? Real is brown.
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Yeah, but you can get unique art styles on the 360/PS3 as well with all the enhanced graphics that implies.
I'm okay with playing the Wii on our old 26" SDTV - sure, it's nowhere near as good looking as 360 games on my 19" monitor, but I can live with it. However, when I went up to visit my parents and we were playing Wii games on their 52" HDTV, I was shocked at how ugly everything looked (Wii Fit+ & NSMB Wii were the two games we played). I don't think I could stand looking at such blurry graphics for any long period of time - I'm pretty sure it'd give me a literal headache.
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I played Final Fantasy:Crystal Chronicles (A very good looking GCN game) over component cables on a 104" or so projected screen and it looked great, and routinely play my Wii games on a 50" Sony screen over component and it looks just fine.
I like the games on the 360, but I agree that there have been very few games that have blown me away from the previous generation. (Gears and Uncharted 2 are the best examples of something that is close to next gen)
But even with the more powerful 360, I tend to play the Wii more and have a larger Wii library than 360.
So in the end, it's all in the eye of the beholder.
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This is the main reason I'm waiting for Wii2 or WiiHD. 480p does not cut it on a 60" TV. Wii graphics are not "good enough".
Let me tell you about Demon's Souls....
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I personally think the 41% that said they were aware of it but haven't purchased is caused a lot by shitty DLC prices. I've ranted about this in the Dragon Age thread, but no one wants to pay 1/4th the price of the damned game for 1/8 or less of the content. I've purchased DLC, but honestly I've never been satisfied with the price and always feel completely ripped off by it, and that's why I haven't purchased that much of it.
Rather funny statement, I feel it's a bit premature though. :winky:
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He would say that. Video games are keeping busy the hands of millions of young men. Major threat to his industry.
I think it really depends on the TV, though. My parents bought a 48" HDTV for themselves for Christmas and all the Wii games we played on it looked great, including Wii Fit+ and NSMB Wii. Muramasa and Super Mario Galaxy looked fantastic. I think that there are certain HDTVs that display 720p and above well, but standard definition pictures look terrible. That's a problem with the TV, not the Wii.
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Yeah, some displays upconvert better than others. My 100" screen (from 1080p projector) shows 480p just fine, I've never seen blurriness. Giant jaggies, yes, but they're not blurry.
That's OK though, we'll all be casting off our outdated displays for 3D TVs later this year anyway.....
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Considering how far into the generation we've gotten with consoles that have all had DLC from day one, this is a big problem. I've long said one of the big problems with digital distribution is the lack of awareness via ads or shelf space, and considering that nearly half of gamers don't know it exists, it sounds like my theory's holding up.
The big question is, how the hell do we solve this problem?
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Conversely, NMH is ass-ugly. Stylized, non-realistic ass-ugly is still ass-ugly.
The same cannot be said about all Wii titles, of course. I mean, I'll take higher resolution over low resolution any day, since Wii games still have the same disappointing lack of AA and higher textures that other consoles have--except it is sometimes significantly worse (muddy texture department), and the problems are amplified by lower resolutions (in my eyes anyway). Similarly, I do think that the Wii would benefit from higher resolutions (by themselves), a little, if not enormously.
Well a lot of consoles aren't even online. If 50% aren't even set up to get the DLC then why would they bother learning about it.?
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I'm sure we'll see this in spades with the next Modern Warefare game, just remember when those times come and you got to pay for things you were use to getting for free it's now because the options are "features" and clearly you should be paying for that.
Oh, and Burnout Paradise I've bought most of that dlc. Not to mention for music games.
But yea, I would say the reason the numbers are like they are have more to do with many consoles not even being hooked online and not so much that people just don't know about it.
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I plan on buying some Borderlands DLC once I clear out my cache of games.
Stuff like the RE5 Multiplayer I wouldn't buy. Fairly obvious that this was withheld, where as extra game content like the Borderlands/Fallout stuff is definitely an expansion.
No problems with expansions. Just money grabs.
Seriously, the way this thread has turned into "oh yeah 360/PS3 graphics aren't all that good anyway, I'm fine with the Wii, it's all about the art style" is ridiculous.
Wii games look like filthy arse and you should all be ashamed of yourselves.
If someone is not impressed with 360/PS3 visual quality in games like Forza 3, Brutal Legend, Gears 2, Beatles : Rock Band, Mass Effect, Halo and Hell, even what smaller studios are pumping out on XBLA it's because your eyes are simply unqualified for a valued judgement - get them trained FFS.
Go play some PC games and get back to me. Compared with what most rigs can put out these days 360 games and Wii games might as well look alike.
People stopped arguing about graphics once the three consoles were fairly compared and it turned out that the graphics for a three were so good that it didn't really matter anymore.
I haven't played most of those games, but I don't remember being particularly impressed by the graphics of Mass Effect. Some games that I do remember being impressed by are Mirror's Edge, Burnout Paradise, Crysis and Devil May Cry 4.
Actually I think that's just a symptom of the problem. There are plenty of people who could get their consoles online with minimal effort if they could be arsed, and knowing that there's groovy stuff to be had might encourage them. Anecdotes for the lose and all, but neither of my brothers in law have hooked up their Wiis and 360s online. And they both have wireless networks.
More like Xbox 1.5!
For what it's worth, my Samsung LCD does a so-so job of upscaling my Wii's content, but my friend's Panny plasma makes things look a lot nicer, so I kind of wish I had done a bit more research. It's ironic that a few years ago, the major knock against the 360 and PS3 was that you needed an expensive HDTV to really make them look great, but nowadays it turns out you need a more expensive TV with a good scaler to really make the Wii look great.
There's only a handful of Wii games that have been so janky looking as to make me turn away in disgust, and fittingly, No More Heroes' janky-on-purpose aesthetic worked in its favor.
At least the 360 does a really good job of hitting you over the head about missing content, at least so long as you go to the dashboard in the first place—I think a ton of people still auto-start right to the disc, since that's what people are conditioned to do with game consoles anyway. But especially since the whole NXE relaunch, the 360 dashboard really harps on how much stuff is available online, so long as you see all of those other vertical menu options and leaf through them.
Hahaha what, like I haven't played PC games before? I'm a recovered rig-obsessive, an unashamed graphics whore and proud. And no, compared to what most PC games ACTUALLY put out these days (the latest and greatest console ports with shinier textures) the 360 is still a mile ahead of the Wii.
And yeah, I figured B:RB would be a controversial one. Know what; one of the best art styles this gen, some amazing animation and visual touches, fluid and confident with eye-candy and flair in abundance.
Aside from that one Ringo clip of course.
That's very true, and arguably much of the point of NXE. Didn't Rooks say digital sales increased significantly after that? Then again, the problem remains... if you don't have your 360 online, you won't have a clue what's available. Offline NXE is VERY bare-bones.
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I expect you feel the same way about expansion packs, GOTYs, and Gold Editions, too. Right?
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