That's... wow. I mean, I usually get back to her by the time she's done with her 'Arthas Light' RP session, but I thought most people understood the concept of 'quick run' by now. I mean, you get complaints as a tank if your unbuffed health is south of 30k, so I would naturally assume they're all familiar with the chain pulling habits of overgeared tanks.
Sidenote (and a giggle/happy to be on topic): Much amusement to be had with an extremely well geared druid tanking heroics in DPS gear. Finishing before the LFD debuff wears off is good times.
I've learned that its best not to stray from peoples' expectations. Keep them in their comfort zone. If they want to do it one way, then just go ahead. Its just a heroic and its not likely to make any difference.
I think I'd make a good politician.
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"Orkses never lose a battle. If we win we win, if we die we die fightin so it don't count. If we runs for it we don't die neither, cos we can come back for annuver go, see!".
I am still in a few blues but starting to turn into a beast of a tank. In H-HoL and just after the Slags I stop to let the armor debuff clear and just as it clears one of the DPS aggroes the next pack, I charge in and take control and smile to myself as the dps apologizes.
I am beginning to realize that my favorite part of tanking is how chaotic things can get.
thankfully since i usually run with at least two other friends (a healer and a DPS) we just say 'fuck that guy' over vent if they die because of something dumb
i always fix it anyway by saying, 'my bad, next time just make sure to stay with the group' as politely as possible and that is the end of things
if it isn't, that's when we get mean and start misdirecting onto them and having me bubble
so I would naturally assume they're all familiar with the chain pulling habits of overgeared tanks.
Sidenote (and a giggle/happy to be on topic): Much amusement to be had with an extremely well geared druid tanking heroics in DPS gear. Finishing before the LFD debuff wears off is good times.
Had this in Heroic UK last week.. it was beyond awesome.
Seed of Corruption accounted for 70% of my damage done
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That's... wow. I mean, I usually get back to her by the time she's done with her 'Arthas Light' RP session, but I thought most people understood the concept of 'quick run' by now. I mean, you get complaints as a tank if your unbuffed health is south of 30k, so I would naturally assume they're all familiar with the chain pulling habits of overgeared tanks.
Sidenote (and a giggle/happy to be on topic): Much amusement to be had with an extremely well geared druid tanking heroics in DPS gear. Finishing before the LFD debuff wears off is good times.
I didn't think there was much difference between feral dps/tanking gear these days. Outside of some rings and such.
I am still in a few blues but starting to turn into a beast of a tank. In H-HoL and just after the Slags I stop to let the armor debuff clear and just as it clears one of the DPS aggroes the next pack
You'll be surprised by how often that happens. And then unsurprised by it soon after. Then you'll come to anticipate stupidity/accidents. As a tank, always expect your dps to be dumb and be ready to carry them. The sooner that settles into your mindset the better.
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"Orkses never lose a battle. If we win we win, if we die we die fightin so it don't count. If we runs for it we don't die neither, cos we can come back for annuver go, see!".
Last weekend I had a druid who didn't know how to mount in ToC and got pwned in the joust. It took him about 5 minutes to get back in the instance. He actually spirit rezzed. He then proceeded to barely do anything. I decided to not waste energy healing him, and he somehow survived the first boss battle by getting Holy Light splashes and JoL procs, despite standing in poison for about 3 seconds before moving.
Yesterday LFD insisted on putting me in really bad HoR groups. One had a tank that no matter what I did would get absolutely stomped in the wave before the last boss. With a ret pally who wasn't helping by always having at least 1 mob aggrod on him. This was while doing the alcove strat. I left on the 3rd wipe.
Got put in another group later, with a dps DK wearing the blue haste trinket, Ick's Rotting thumb, and about 4 pieces of defense gear. Also she had Edge of Ruin, with no rune on it. I comment on her gearing choices as the RP starts, and she goes "yeah, I have trouble finding dps drops." to which the rogue responds "And Ebon Hold apparently." That had my wife giggling.
Well, the tank wants to alcove it up, so we do, and we wipe cause dps is not awesome for the most part, and the tank is taking tons of damage. As we get ressed up I say "<DK> now would be a great time to open a deathgate and get your axe runed."
"Oh, I thought i had runed it already."
*gates
"What should I put on it?"
/facepalm.
We wipe again, I suggest going hallway for more mobility and visibility. One of the dps (whichever one wasn't the rogue or the dk. The rogue seemed pretty competent.) says "how do we make sure the tank gets aggro?"
"we stand him up front. we stay back by the door, over here" I say whilst running in the appropriate spot.
Now, I need to say, both tanks I'd tried HoR with that day had done the alcove strat by LoSing themselves too, so initial aggro was a crapshoot, and I was too busy keeping people up to correct them.
So I go run by the altar to get the waves going, when to my horror I see the DK and non rogue dps standing behind the door and the tank just in front of them. I'm desperately typing "tank move forward" "forward!" "dps move up!" and watch as teh tank just kinda strafes from side to side and 2 of the dps get locked out. At which point i simply leave.
That's... wow. I mean, I usually get back to her by the time she's done with her 'Arthas Light' RP session, but I thought most people understood the concept of 'quick run' by now. I mean, you get complaints as a tank if your unbuffed health is south of 30k, so I would naturally assume they're all familiar with the chain pulling habits of overgeared tanks.
Sidenote (and a giggle/happy to be on topic): Much amusement to be had with an extremely well geared druid tanking heroics in DPS gear. Finishing before the LFD debuff wears off is good times.
I didn't think there was much difference between feral dps/tanking gear these days. Outside of some rings and such.
The guy I ran with (guild's primary feral, though I dunno if he MTs because I'm just a casual anymore), has completely different sets. Yeah, different rings/trinkets/etc. But also different gems and enchants in the core pieces and everything else. Still had around 30k+ health in bear, but pulled something like 3k+ DPS with all the chain pulling and swiping.
Now a more casual player like me? Yeah, I've got some tanking gear that doubles as DPS gear (stam gems are good for cat, right?). You are right about the gear selection in that it's not a huge difference in some areas. Gems and enchants are where you more easily tell if someone's wearing his bear or cat gear.
I've done that place on my healer and had a Tank that could not take the punishment. I was rolling Holy Lights non-stop on him during wave 4 and he went down like a bitch. Perhaps it was gear, or just plain fail, but either way I was not happy. The drawback of playing a tank and/or healer most of the time is that I feel responsible when people die/group wipes.
From a rational perspective usually it was out of my hands but feelings never cared much for rationalizations.
Normally I can just Holy Light spam my way through undergeared or incompetent tanks. But when they're both and in HoR, it becomes a lost cause. But I try and give any group at least a couple shots. I can afford a couple repairs, and I don't like to be that guy who bails on heroics. But that's what this thread is for. So i can be that guy who bitches about morons they saddled themselves with.
Yesterday LFD insisted on putting me in really bad HoR groups. One had a tank that no matter what I did would get absolutely stomped in the wave before the last boss. With a ret pally who wasn't helping by always having at least 1 mob aggrod on him. This was while doing the alcove strat. I left on the 3rd wipe.
A Ret Paladin can CC two mobs at once in HoR. Repentance one and fear another. It makes the place a cake walk if you have one. If you want to do it without CC, everyone has to be well geared to keep things for going wrong.
Really, get used to having to carry bads. You're never going to stop everyone from being horrible. As true in life as in game. Thats why we have things like Seperation of Powers and elections - to stop incompetent politicians from messing stuff up and for easy replacement. The founding fathers anticipated such things.
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"Orkses never lose a battle. If we win we win, if we die we die fightin so it don't count. If we runs for it we don't die neither, cos we can come back for annuver go, see!".
Reminds me of a run I had last night, which could have been a hate, but was instead a somewhat self-satisfied happy.
I hop into a random group with my Hunter and the tank comments that they've never been here before. It's a low 70's Paladin. I don't look at his gear, but I'm wary.
First off, he throws his shield at one of the spiders... while it's still in the pack, so we fight like 4 of them at once. This isn't pretty, but the healer is apparently pro. I gently inform him that only 2 path and the others can be ignored, and thus begins Forar's Great Teaching A Tank Old Kingdom Adventure.
And to be fair, he was a fine tank. Built threat like a pro, kept us buffed, and a simple 2-3 lines per boss or trash pack sufficed in terms of information. "Kill this, they're dangerous because they ____" was all it took, and then before each boss I'd give them a quick rundown.
Except for the last boss.
I hope it doesn't make me an asshole, but I simply couldn't give up the chance to throw him a curve, so I explained that he had a mind flay, hit fairly hard, and had... well, one other mechanic. But it wasn't a big deal, and that I was sure they'd be fine.
In the end it was a fairly smooth run, if it perhaps a bit slower than one with an experienced tank, but at the end I felt good assisting them in learning an instance, and they didn't mind the surprise at the end.
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First they came for the Muslims, and we said NOT TODAY, MOTHERFUCKER!
Yeah I remember my first time in OK, when the boss kicked in his final mechanic. It was me and 4 of my friends running the dungeon. Apparently I was the only one who unflinchingly slaughtered his party members. My friends were a wee bit troubled by my zeal, but we had a good laugh about it.
(I've found it is pretty easy for me to get two Insanities at the same time, but I've never had a group live through it.)
Well you don't 'pull it off' per se, rather it is violently thrust upon when something in the randomization engine that selects 3 statues accidentally hits the 'all' option. Suffice to say, it involved a few CDs to deal with it properly (after the inevitable first wipe due to collective WTF?!)
Any time I'm in old kingdom we get multiple insanities at once. It's based on his health and so if you burn through enough of it he just causes that many people to appear. It's not really a problem though since if you have the dps to cause it you have the dps to kill it.
Not necessarily. He goes untargettable, and the adds are quite a mouthful, particularly if you're not able to get the healer to stop spamming heals. I can't remember exactly, but I think if anyone dies, their adds get dumped on someone else, too. :-/
Although, 5ish months ago, I would come close to killing him during his untargettable bit with just my dots. I could probably take him through that by myself now.
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I wish that someway, somehow, that I could save every one of us
Specifically, what do you skip in HoS that takes alot of time to kill? Maiden is a minute tops. The rock guy maybe 5? Two emblems in 6 minutes is a worthwhile investment I'd say.
If you could skip the stupid event boss, I'd do that every time though.
It's more like the event boss takes so long that any time trimmed off the run prior to that is welcome. And with random LFD'ing, the last boss is always worth 3 emblems while all others in the instance are only 1, so getting to the end faster is where the efficiency lies.
besides, he is a tank... he'll get another group in 1 min whilst they wait another 5-10 (sat was bad for tanks).
I was gonna say, a whole minute? As a tank, I'm usually stunned if I'm not in a dungeon in 10 seconds or less.
well it was instant, but see it was because of me it took longer. Selling stuff, repairs, mail check, etc You know typical woman taking her sweet ass time between Q's :P
Let me elaborate on this post as I am said Boyfriend full of steak and tired of badge running!
We get into a H.UP. I tell the group when we start.
"Gonna try and make this quick, you guys cool?"
They all reply that yes indeed, they are cool with this.
We get to Madame Douchey Mcflyerson who has the 90 second RP scene... great, I'll clear the Abom and the first pack before the next stairs. My lovely girlfriend and I solo the Abom and the group starts to rage "WTF DON'T SKIP BOSSES!" to which I tell them we will come back in like 20 seconds, I just want to keep cleaning whilest she is in monolgue mode...
Needless to say I assume (my bad) that they will come help and clean one more trash pull up... nope...
Douchebag shaman decides to lightning bolt said boss and she WTFpwns everyone before I can get back to them...
Queue the WRST TNAK EVAH!" and "DO IT RIGHT FUCKFACE!"
... I hate pugging.
The correct response to this is to say "I'm sorry, I'll do the right thing this time" then start the fight and immediately leave party., laughing as you are ported back to Dalaran.
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The correct response to this is to say "I'm sorry, I'll do the right thing this time" then start the fight and immediately leave party.
So respond to douchebaggery with douchebaggery?
A better response would be to at least try to kick the douchebag. I'm willing to bet most of the time the dps will side with the tank, because they don't want another 10-30 minute queue.
Also... people can just leave too, so it's not like that's a guaranteed way of getting others a repair bill.
I was healing a group on my shaman when this asshole tank starts barking orders at the group and me in particular. Starts criticising my spec, something about how "Improved Healing Wave doesn't affect Lesser Healing Wave or Chain Heal!". And so I thank him for his astute observations. He continues nit picking and just being a general asshole, so within a few trash pulls I ask him "Hey, would you like my account name and password, since you're already apparently playing for me." and he goes off on a rant about how "you picked shaman at the character select screen and heal for the lfd system so HEAL ME!"
This despite the fact that he hasn't even dipped below half health. I am healing him, and doing well, I might add.
So then he actually tries the "if you don't like it, you can leave or I can and get an instant group lawl".
Really? You're going to try to pull this crap on the healer? I might not have tank-instant queues, but I've LFD'd a LOT of groups, and believe me, healers aren't waiting long either, at least while levelling.
So, after he demands earth shield like a petulant child (I guess he needed his security blanket, he'd have had it soon enough anywah) I give it to him, he runs into the next pack, death and decays... and leaves the instance.
Then I reflexively left too.
If anything, I felt bad for the DPS, who were utterly silent during the whole exchange. You could almost hear them thinking "please don't let this collapse, not the queue, not again!"
Edit: Gnutson, I might've met that very same douchebag! I'd say that we might've been in the same group, but this one broke up long before the first boss, let alone the second.
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First they came for the Muslims, and we said NOT TODAY, MOTHERFUCKER!
Eh. While I'm not going to be one of those people who's like "I'M THE HEALER, DO WHAT I SAY" about it, I will always ask "can we skip to __?" when we start an instance that has skippable things. Half the time the rest of the group is also just there for their frost emblems.
If anything, I felt bad for the DPS, who were utterly silent during the whole exchange. You could almost hear them thinking "please don't let the collapse, not the queue, not again!"
"Mommy and daddy are fighting again. "
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Happy: shaman healing is still a blast even after doing enough lfd to get the pug pet before 13 hrs played at 80.
Happier: I queued specifically for H FoS, got into group, everyone is decently geared and I don't see any outright horrible names. We cruise though FoS, dps not pulling aggro, tank keeping aggro on those giant caster packs pulls, everyone doing the bosses right etc. Decide to do H PoS as everyone seems competent.
I have a macro that Wind Shears (whatever the shaman interrupt is called) my targets target, this actually saves a lot of healing. I was not able to hit this fast enough. You know why? Not because I was too busy healing the tank or other dps. It was because both melee dps were actually interrupting while doing ~3500 dps. I was stunned.
People got behind boulders on garfrost, stayed out of novas on Ick, and the hunter actually said "hey let me ice trap one of those mean caster packs to lighten the load". Not that it mattered because empowered shadowbolts and hellfires dont do crap when aforementioned melee dps is locking them down with interrupts.
Got the achievement for the cave. Scourgelord fancypants was a 1 sided fight.
So we decided to give H HoR a try. Now I haven't healed this at all and just remembering the horrible problems I had tanking it with pugs I was still kind of wary. But with this group I figured we had a shot.
Alcove method, went smooth, only 1 wipe due to a horribly timed fear/dmg and then me getting stunned right after fear on the first boss. Arthas event was easy and I learned the behind method which I am now always going to use.
Hate: I won't see another pug group this good for weeks/months.
Happy: shaman healing is still a blast even after doing enough lfd to get the pug pet before 13 hrs played at 80.
Happier: I queued specifically for H FoS, got into group, everyone is decently geared and I don't see any outright horrible names. We cruise though FoS, dps not pulling aggro, tank keeping aggro on those giant caster packs pulls, everyone doing the bosses right etc. Decide to do H PoS as everyone seems competent.
I have a macro that Wind Shears (whatever the shaman interrupt is called) my targets target, this actually saves a lot of healing. I was not able to hit this fast enough. You know why? Not because I was too busy healing the tank or other dps. It was because both melee dps were actually interrupting while doing ~3500 dps. I was stunned.
People got behind boulders on garfrost, stayed out of novas on Ick, and the hunter actually said "hey let me ice trap one of those mean caster packs to lighten the load". Not that it mattered because empowered shadowbolts and hellfires dont do crap when aforementioned melee dps is locking them down with interrupts.
Got the achievement for the cave. Scourgelord fancypants was a 1 sided fight.
So we decided to give H HoR a try. Now I haven't healed this at all and just remembering the horrible problems I had tanking it with pugs I was still kind of wary. But with this group I figured we had a shot.
Alcove method, went smooth, only 1 wipe due to a horribly timed fear/dmg and then me getting stunned right after fear on the first boss. Arthas event was easy and I learned the behind method which I am now always going to use.
Hate: I won't see another pug group this good for weeks/months.
ITT: I compare PUGing to golf, in that the truly good ones are few and far between, but they make tolerating the bad ones a lot easier.
The correct response to this is to say "I'm sorry, I'll do the right thing this time" then start the fight and immediately leave party.
So respond to douchebaggery with douchebaggery?
A better response would be to at least try to kick the douchebag. I'm willing to bet most of the time the dps will side with the tank, because they don't want another 10-30 minute queue.
Also... people can just leave too, so it's not like that's a guaranteed way of getting others a repair bill.
I was healing a group on my shaman when this asshole tank starts barking orders at the group and me in particular. Starts criticising my spec, something about how "Improved Healing Wave doesn't affect Lesser Healing Wave or Chain Heal!". And so I thank him for his astute observations. He continues nit picking and just being a general asshole, so within a few trash pulls I ask him "Hey, would you like my account name and password, since you're already apparently playing for me." and he goes off on a rant about how "you picked shaman at the character select screen and heal for the lfd system so HEAL ME!"
This despite the fact that he hasn't even dipped below half health. I am healing him, and doing well, I might add.
So then he actually tries the "if you don't like it, you can leave or I can and get an instant group lawl".
Really? You're going to try to pull this crap on the healer? I might not have tank-instant queues, but I've LFD'd a LOT of groups, and believe me, healers aren't waiting long either, at least while levelling.
So, after he demands earth shield like a petulant child (I guess he needed his security blanket, he'd have had it soon enough anywah) I give it to him, he runs into the next pack, death and decays... and leaves the instance.
Then I reflexively left too.
If anything, I felt bad for the DPS, who were utterly silent during the whole exchange. You could almost hear them thinking "please don't let this collapse, not the queue, not again!"
Edit: Gnutson, I might've met that very same douchebag! I'd say that we might've been in the same group, but this one broke up long before the first boss, let alone the second.
I have only left a group during fighting after a hunter pulled the slags in regular HoL when I was trying to type up how in heroics groups run past the slags to the stairs.
This was the same hunter who earlier pulled general whatshisface while I was waiting for him to path past some adds.
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BeastehTHAT WOULD NOTKILL DRACULARegistered Userregular
edited January 2010
I just seriously saw a DK trying to dps with full green quality spellpower/defense gear
that had to be a joke, everyone /w me to kick him the instant the LF dungeon cooldown ran off
Can someone explain something to me? I've leveled two tanks and never seen this problem, but now with LFD some strange phenomena seems to have popped up.
Why, when I tank low-level shit on my warrior, does everyone else capable of tanking insist on trying to out-tank me?
I wish this were some sort of fluke. Without fail, anytime I'm in a pug with a druid, paladin, or another warrior, they instantly stop healing or DPSing as soon as I start pulling and they start taunting and pulling off of me. I tell them off and I let them die (when the healer allows) but I always seem to either solo-tank or just give up and DPS.
Perfect example, the other night I'm pugging Deadmines and I keep dying. Meanwhile this paladin keeps pulling off of me and racing to the mobs to beat me. Turns out the healer decided to play a rousing game of Fuck The Warrior and try to out-tank me. Eventually we lose two DPS when they realize they're not getting healed and the run fails. I don't get it.
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reVerseAttack and Dethrone GodRegistered Userregular
edited January 2010
They're ee-diots.
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SmasherStarting to get dizzyRegistered Userregular
Can someone explain something to me? I've leveled two tanks and never seen this problem, but now with LFD some strange phenomena seems to have popped up.
Why, when I tank low-level shit on my warrior, does everyone else capable of tanking insist on trying to out-tank me?
I wish this were some sort of fluke. Without fail, anytime I'm in a pug with a druid, paladin, or another warrior, they instantly stop healing or DPSing as soon as I start pulling and they start taunting and pulling off of me. I tell them off and I let them die (when the healer allows) but I always seem to either solo-tank or just give up and DPS.
Perfect example, the other night I'm pugging Deadmines and I keep dying. Meanwhile this paladin keeps pulling off of me and racing to the mobs to beat me. Turns out the healer decided to play a rousing game of Fuck The Warrior and try to out-tank me. Eventually we lose two DPS when they realize they're not getting healed and the run fails. I don't get it.
That's particularly confusing given the general tank shortage.
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(The only casualty was me pulling aggro and dying to Xevozz).
Xevozz remains my most deadly heroic boss. Will probably not be usurped until Cataclysm, if then.
Xevozz is tricky until you learn his mechanic. Although even then, getting people to do it properly is hard.
Its quite simple. If any one of your five party members is in Line of Sight of his orbs, he will teleport. If all five of you are out of line of sight of the orbs, he will not teleport you at all. The way to do the fight is to start on the stairs to the right (the balcony counts as LOS), wait for him to spawn orbs, start moving him across the balcony (go slowly, or else you risk making one orb come up the stairs and the other come the other direction), making sure your party is past you safely, then when you get to the ramp made of rubble, head down that a bit and just wait there until the boss dies.
Can someone explain something to me? I've leveled two tanks and never seen this problem, but now with LFD some strange phenomena seems to have popped up.
Why, when I tank low-level shit on my warrior, does everyone else capable of tanking insist on trying to out-tank me?
I wish this were some sort of fluke. Without fail, anytime I'm in a pug with a druid, paladin, or another warrior, they instantly stop healing or DPSing as soon as I start pulling and they start taunting and pulling off of me. I tell them off and I let them die (when the healer allows) but I always seem to either solo-tank or just give up and DPS.
Perfect example, the other night I'm pugging Deadmines and I keep dying. Meanwhile this paladin keeps pulling off of me and racing to the mobs to beat me. Turns out the healer decided to play a rousing game of Fuck The Warrior and try to out-tank me. Eventually we lose two DPS when they realize they're not getting healed and the run fails. I don't get it.
That's particularly confusing given the general tank shortage.
Maybe they're leveling because of the tank shortage, and want to get practice in while it's still easy?
They don't want to be like I was back in vanilla; tanking Strat dead-side and having to be told what taunt does... :?
(The only casualty was me pulling aggro and dying to Xevozz).
Xevozz remains my most deadly heroic boss. Will probably not be usurped until Cataclysm, if then.
Xevozz is tricky until you learn his mechanic. Although even then, getting people to do it properly is hard.
Its quite simple. If any one of your five party members is in Line of Sight of his orbs, he will teleport. If all five of you are out of line of sight of the orbs, he will not teleport you at all. The way to do the fight is to start on the stairs to the right (the balcony counts as LOS), wait for him to spawn orbs, start moving him across the balcony (go slowly, or else you risk making one orb come up the stairs and the other come the other direction), making sure your party is past you safely, then when you get to the ramp made of rubble, head down that a bit and just wait there until the boss dies.
Bloodlust and kill it sounds like a much more satisfying strategy
Hate: The Forgotten Coast. Also the lazy ass fucker who got our guild here. Reason was his priest was there and it'll be a challenge at a ratio of 4:1 Horde to alliance! Well now hes stopped playing and we can barely get 10 people on to do anything. There are about 5 of us who are all able to get on when asked and I can understand most others can't due to work. However if one person out of our 10 man group can't show were fucked because the ass backwards server is so shitty we can't even recruit non awful/idiotic people to fill the gaps.
This server can't pug anything either. I've never seen one form. Ok one did and it was one that my guild started for badges.
(The only casualty was me pulling aggro and dying to Xevozz).
Xevozz remains my most deadly heroic boss. Will probably not be usurped until Cataclysm, if then.
Xevozz is tricky until you learn his mechanic. Although even then, getting people to do it properly is hard.
Its quite simple. If any one of your five party members is in Line of Sight of his orbs, he will teleport. If all five of you are out of line of sight of the orbs, he will not teleport you at all. The way to do the fight is to start on the stairs to the right (the balcony counts as LOS), wait for him to spawn orbs, start moving him across the balcony (go slowly, or else you risk making one orb come up the stairs and the other come the other direction), making sure your party is past you safely, then when you get to the ramp made of rubble, head down that a bit and just wait there until the boss dies.
Bloodlust and kill it sounds like a much more satisfying strategy
Well yeah all the deaths happened like the day I hit 80. Me in leveling blues + never having healed on my priest before + getting Xevozz every day = hilarity.
Heh: Did a H-FoS run on my rogue to get the last couple emblems to buy the heirloom arcanite reaper for my warrior who has all the other heirloom gear. Rogue is about as decked out as one gets without raiding, 4775 GS. Been thinking of switching to the warrior since I feel sort of like a warrior without the ability to tank if I feel like it as combat.
So second pull in a battered hilt drops and I win it.
Now I don't know if I should use it for my rogue or finish up the last 9 levels on my warrior and go that route.
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Sidenote (and a giggle/happy to be on topic): Much amusement to be had with an extremely well geared druid tanking heroics in DPS gear. Finishing before the LFD debuff wears off is good times.
I think I'd make a good politician.
"Orkses never lose a battle. If we win we win, if we die we die fightin so it don't count. If we runs for it we don't die neither, cos we can come back for annuver go, see!".
I am beginning to realize that my favorite part of tanking is how chaotic things can get.
i always fix it anyway by saying, 'my bad, next time just make sure to stay with the group' as politely as possible and that is the end of things
if it isn't, that's when we get mean and start misdirecting onto them and having me bubble
Had this in Heroic UK last week.. it was beyond awesome.
Seed of Corruption accounted for 70% of my damage done
SW:Tor - Tao - Kryatt Dragon Server
I didn't think there was much difference between feral dps/tanking gear these days. Outside of some rings and such.
You'll be surprised by how often that happens. And then unsurprised by it soon after. Then you'll come to anticipate stupidity/accidents. As a tank, always expect your dps to be dumb and be ready to carry them. The sooner that settles into your mindset the better.
"Orkses never lose a battle. If we win we win, if we die we die fightin so it don't count. If we runs for it we don't die neither, cos we can come back for annuver go, see!".
Yesterday LFD insisted on putting me in really bad HoR groups. One had a tank that no matter what I did would get absolutely stomped in the wave before the last boss. With a ret pally who wasn't helping by always having at least 1 mob aggrod on him. This was while doing the alcove strat. I left on the 3rd wipe.
Got put in another group later, with a dps DK wearing the blue haste trinket, Ick's Rotting thumb, and about 4 pieces of defense gear. Also she had Edge of Ruin, with no rune on it. I comment on her gearing choices as the RP starts, and she goes "yeah, I have trouble finding dps drops." to which the rogue responds "And Ebon Hold apparently." That had my wife giggling.
Well, the tank wants to alcove it up, so we do, and we wipe cause dps is not awesome for the most part, and the tank is taking tons of damage. As we get ressed up I say "<DK> now would be a great time to open a deathgate and get your axe runed."
"Oh, I thought i had runed it already."
*gates
"What should I put on it?"
/facepalm.
We wipe again, I suggest going hallway for more mobility and visibility. One of the dps (whichever one wasn't the rogue or the dk. The rogue seemed pretty competent.) says "how do we make sure the tank gets aggro?"
"we stand him up front. we stay back by the door, over here" I say whilst running in the appropriate spot.
Now, I need to say, both tanks I'd tried HoR with that day had done the alcove strat by LoSing themselves too, so initial aggro was a crapshoot, and I was too busy keeping people up to correct them.
So I go run by the altar to get the waves going, when to my horror I see the DK and non rogue dps standing behind the door and the tank just in front of them. I'm desperately typing "tank move forward" "forward!" "dps move up!" and watch as teh tank just kinda strafes from side to side and 2 of the dps get locked out. At which point i simply leave.
i'm not sure whether to commend or comfort you tofys
The guy I ran with (guild's primary feral, though I dunno if he MTs because I'm just a casual anymore), has completely different sets. Yeah, different rings/trinkets/etc. But also different gems and enchants in the core pieces and everything else. Still had around 30k+ health in bear, but pulled something like 3k+ DPS with all the chain pulling and swiping.
Now a more casual player like me? Yeah, I've got some tanking gear that doubles as DPS gear (stam gems are good for cat, right?). You are right about the gear selection in that it's not a huge difference in some areas. Gems and enchants are where you more easily tell if someone's wearing his bear or cat gear.
From a rational perspective usually it was out of my hands but feelings never cared much for rationalizations.
A Ret Paladin can CC two mobs at once in HoR. Repentance one and fear another. It makes the place a cake walk if you have one. If you want to do it without CC, everyone has to be well geared to keep things for going wrong.
Really, get used to having to carry bads. You're never going to stop everyone from being horrible. As true in life as in game. Thats why we have things like Seperation of Powers and elections - to stop incompetent politicians from messing stuff up and for easy replacement. The founding fathers anticipated such things.
"Orkses never lose a battle. If we win we win, if we die we die fightin so it don't count. If we runs for it we don't die neither, cos we can come back for annuver go, see!".
Happier: Got Rotface's Blood
Happiest: Got my Shadow's Edge!
I hop into a random group with my Hunter and the tank comments that they've never been here before. It's a low 70's Paladin. I don't look at his gear, but I'm wary.
First off, he throws his shield at one of the spiders... while it's still in the pack, so we fight like 4 of them at once. This isn't pretty, but the healer is apparently pro. I gently inform him that only 2 path and the others can be ignored, and thus begins Forar's Great Teaching A Tank Old Kingdom Adventure.
And to be fair, he was a fine tank. Built threat like a pro, kept us buffed, and a simple 2-3 lines per boss or trash pack sufficed in terms of information. "Kill this, they're dangerous because they ____" was all it took, and then before each boss I'd give them a quick rundown.
Except for the last boss.
I hope it doesn't make me an asshole, but I simply couldn't give up the chance to throw him a curve, so I explained that he had a mind flay, hit fairly hard, and had... well, one other mechanic. But it wasn't a big deal, and that I was sure they'd be fine.
In the end it was a fairly smooth run, if it perhaps a bit slower than one with an experienced tank, but at the end I felt good assisting them in learning an instance, and they didn't mind the surprise at the end.
Sounds about as fun as H. HoL when all the statues animate during the last pull in that hallway after the first boss.
(I've found it is pretty easy for me to get two Insanities at the same time, but I've never had a group live through it.)
Well you don't 'pull it off' per se, rather it is violently thrust upon when something in the randomization engine that selects 3 statues accidentally hits the 'all' option. Suffice to say, it involved a few CDs to deal with it properly (after the inevitable first wipe due to collective WTF?!)
Although, 5ish months ago, I would come close to killing him during his untargettable bit with just my dots. I could probably take him through that by myself now.
The correct response to this is to say "I'm sorry, I'll do the right thing this time" then start the fight and immediately leave party., laughing as you are ported back to Dalaran.
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
I was all set to seed of coruption, then fear once we got past the vampire boss, but he left the group before that
SW:Tor - Tao - Kryatt Dragon Server
So respond to douchebaggery with douchebaggery?
A better response would be to at least try to kick the douchebag. I'm willing to bet most of the time the dps will side with the tank, because they don't want another 10-30 minute queue.
Also... people can just leave too, so it's not like that's a guaranteed way of getting others a repair bill.
I was healing a group on my shaman when this asshole tank starts barking orders at the group and me in particular. Starts criticising my spec, something about how "Improved Healing Wave doesn't affect Lesser Healing Wave or Chain Heal!". And so I thank him for his astute observations. He continues nit picking and just being a general asshole, so within a few trash pulls I ask him "Hey, would you like my account name and password, since you're already apparently playing for me." and he goes off on a rant about how "you picked shaman at the character select screen and heal for the lfd system so HEAL ME!"
This despite the fact that he hasn't even dipped below half health. I am healing him, and doing well, I might add.
So then he actually tries the "if you don't like it, you can leave or I can and get an instant group lawl".
Really? You're going to try to pull this crap on the healer? I might not have tank-instant queues, but I've LFD'd a LOT of groups, and believe me, healers aren't waiting long either, at least while levelling.
So, after he demands earth shield like a petulant child (I guess he needed his security blanket, he'd have had it soon enough anywah) I give it to him, he runs into the next pack, death and decays... and leaves the instance.
Then I reflexively left too.
If anything, I felt bad for the DPS, who were utterly silent during the whole exchange. You could almost hear them thinking "please don't let this collapse, not the queue, not again!"
Edit: Gnutson, I might've met that very same douchebag! I'd say that we might've been in the same group, but this one broke up long before the first boss, let alone the second.
Xevozz remains my most deadly heroic boss. Will probably not be usurped until Cataclysm, if then.
Eh. While I'm not going to be one of those people who's like "I'M THE HEALER, DO WHAT I SAY" about it, I will always ask "can we skip to __?" when we start an instance that has skippable things. Half the time the rest of the group is also just there for their frost emblems.
"Mommy and daddy are fighting again.
Happier: I queued specifically for H FoS, got into group, everyone is decently geared and I don't see any outright horrible names. We cruise though FoS, dps not pulling aggro, tank keeping aggro on those giant caster packs pulls, everyone doing the bosses right etc. Decide to do H PoS as everyone seems competent.
I have a macro that Wind Shears (whatever the shaman interrupt is called) my targets target, this actually saves a lot of healing. I was not able to hit this fast enough. You know why? Not because I was too busy healing the tank or other dps. It was because both melee dps were actually interrupting while doing ~3500 dps. I was stunned.
People got behind boulders on garfrost, stayed out of novas on Ick, and the hunter actually said "hey let me ice trap one of those mean caster packs to lighten the load". Not that it mattered because empowered shadowbolts and hellfires dont do crap when aforementioned melee dps is locking them down with interrupts.
Got the achievement for the cave. Scourgelord fancypants was a 1 sided fight.
So we decided to give H HoR a try. Now I haven't healed this at all and just remembering the horrible problems I had tanking it with pugs I was still kind of wary. But with this group I figured we had a shot.
Alcove method, went smooth, only 1 wipe due to a horribly timed fear/dmg and then me getting stunned right after fear on the first boss. Arthas event was easy and I learned the behind method which I am now always going to use.
Hate: I won't see another pug group this good for weeks/months.
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ITT: I compare PUGing to golf, in that the truly good ones are few and far between, but they make tolerating the bad ones a lot easier.
I have only left a group during fighting after a hunter pulled the slags in regular HoL when I was trying to type up how in heroics groups run past the slags to the stairs.
This was the same hunter who earlier pulled general whatshisface while I was waiting for him to path past some adds.
that had to be a joke, everyone /w me to kick him the instant the LF dungeon cooldown ran off
Why, when I tank low-level shit on my warrior, does everyone else capable of tanking insist on trying to out-tank me?
I wish this were some sort of fluke. Without fail, anytime I'm in a pug with a druid, paladin, or another warrior, they instantly stop healing or DPSing as soon as I start pulling and they start taunting and pulling off of me. I tell them off and I let them die (when the healer allows) but I always seem to either solo-tank or just give up and DPS.
Perfect example, the other night I'm pugging Deadmines and I keep dying. Meanwhile this paladin keeps pulling off of me and racing to the mobs to beat me. Turns out the healer decided to play a rousing game of Fuck The Warrior and try to out-tank me. Eventually we lose two DPS when they realize they're not getting healed and the run fails. I don't get it.
That's particularly confusing given the general tank shortage.
Xevozz is tricky until you learn his mechanic. Although even then, getting people to do it properly is hard.
Its quite simple. If any one of your five party members is in Line of Sight of his orbs, he will teleport. If all five of you are out of line of sight of the orbs, he will not teleport you at all. The way to do the fight is to start on the stairs to the right (the balcony counts as LOS), wait for him to spawn orbs, start moving him across the balcony (go slowly, or else you risk making one orb come up the stairs and the other come the other direction), making sure your party is past you safely, then when you get to the ramp made of rubble, head down that a bit and just wait there until the boss dies.
Maybe they're leveling because of the tank shortage, and want to get practice in while it's still easy?
They don't want to be like I was back in vanilla; tanking Strat dead-side and having to be told what taunt does... :?
Bloodlust and kill it sounds like a much more satisfying strategy
This server can't pug anything either. I've never seen one form. Ok one did and it was one that my guild started for badges.
Happy: ICC 10 man is fun.
Well yeah all the deaths happened like the day I hit 80. Me in leveling blues + never having healed on my priest before + getting Xevozz every day = hilarity.
So second pull in a battered hilt drops and I win it.
Now I don't know if I should use it for my rogue or finish up the last 9 levels on my warrior and go that route.
Hrm.