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  • Basren DragonsnackBasren Dragonsnack Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Yeah threat was never really a problem according to my meters, so I'm not sure why he was claiming he just had to keep mauling through. He's usually really on his game, too. I'm sure it being 2:30 AM was a large factor...I just didn't want to say, hey...stop using/unglyph maul while not knowing fuckall about Druid threat rotations. Thanks for the info

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  • ForarForar #432 Toronto, Ontario, CanadaRegistered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Unglyphing Maul seems like an awful lot of effort when you can, y'know, just not hit the button.

    Unless he has it in an ezmode macro and is too lazy to use the abilities seperately?

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  • IshtaarIshtaar Fun is underrated. Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Glyph of maul costs like 2g to make. Tell him to stop being a bitch, there is no reason he should be AOEing regardless of the damage it does. There is only ONE mob you need to worry about tanking on Suarfang. Glyph of maul is therefor worthless.

    This is something that drives me nuts: Why are people so hesitant to swap glyphs? Level inscription on an alt and/or befriend (people are scary) a scribe, have stacks of options available, profit?

    I have a full bag of enchanting mats from this past weekend, I just bought like 15 epic gems from the WG shard -> honor conversion things + the honor from running 1 weekly WG + leftover badges.... So aside from flasks & glyphs, the rest of my raid type stuff is "free" from just doing what I'm normally doing. Get like 100g worth of herbs, which is like 20min worth of dailies, you're good to go for glyphs for a month.

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  • BikkstahBikkstah Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    I have an ezmode macro and I as I said, unbind them specifically for Saurfang.

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  • CharusCharus Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Beasteh wrote: »
    the patrolling Necrolyte elites with their 6 nonelite 8k hp skelly adds can be rooted and outranged

    aoe the skellies, loot, stealth, repeat

    I've been meaning to ask about this. I tried it before, and I can clear up to three of the packs, but only clearing three leads to me running into "you have entered too many instances recently" problems. This would be pretty easy if I were a Night Elf (fuck you shadowmeld), but I just can't figure out how to clear the back couple of patrols and live. I suppose I could buy some herbs and make invisibility pots, but I wondered if there was a more elegant way. I probably could clear a fourth one if I were patient enough on timing pats, but even just three gets pretty dicey when it's time to run out of the instance to drop combat.

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  • IshtaarIshtaar Fun is underrated. Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    I did actually have a hate from the other day... Hate: Tanks who don't actively use cooldowns. We have one who makes these snide, passive-aggressive comments when he has to pop anything, like it's a failure on the healers part that god forbid he have to have an active role in his own survivability.

    OK, I'm a bit spoiled; by the time I end up tanking anything I've probably healed it already. I know when to pop things, because I know when the healing was more hectic. I may not be superpro at everything yet, and least everyone that's healed me has made comments like, "Can you take some damage, I'm bored."

    Word on the street is that tanks have two responsibilities: Threat and mitigating. Part of mitigating is building the proper gear (and sets) for encounters, the other is mashing those extra buttons once in a while. Stop being terrible.


    Other hate, long version:
    http://www.wowhead.com/?item=50359, the new healing trinket. The stats:
    Equip: Increases spell power by 179.
    Equip: Each time your spells heal a target you have a chance to cause another nearby friendly target to be instantly healed for 5550 to 6450.

    The trinket can proc from EVERYTHING - direct heals, hots, PW: S glyph, Holy Light glyph, Earth Shield etc. So it drops on Tuesday, the 2 Druids in the raid get hyper pissed because I gave it to a Holy Priest. Their reasoning: It can proc off hots and they cast hots. Newsflash, so does every other healing class in one way or another, maybe not as many as you. The trinket has a 45 second icd and a 30% proc rate. While it will likely proc for them close to cooldown since they'll have a bunch of hots out, IT WILL ALSO PROC FOR EVERY OTHER CLASS TOO HOLY CRAP. Priests & Paladins have a 11% chance of NOT proccing on their next CoH or Holy Light, Shamans are around 24% for chain heal, Me a whopping 34% with Penance. Now mind you, this is with nothing else out, so I guess none of us use Riptide/Renew/Prayer of Mending ever, etc.

    Short version: I have to make a giant theorycraft math post to justify giving an upgrade to someone using a mediocre trinket since we haven't yet gotten 9 Heroic Solaces to try to silence a loot whore.

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  • BobbleBobble Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    I forget the specifics of JoL, but does it register as a heal done by the person hitting the target, or the paladin? Curious if that trinket would proc off of JoL, tho the ICD makes it a matter of trivia rather than great value.

    Bobble on
  • IshtaarIshtaar Fun is underrated. Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    It's credited to the caster, so I'm sure it would.

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  • TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    JoL counts for the judging pally. We use it to pad our meters. :)

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  • formatformat Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    remember ret paladins leading healing meters on iron council?

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  • TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    format wrote: »
    remember ret paladins leading healing meters on [strike]iron council?[/strike] half of all aoe fights pre ToC.

    Actually, I don't know if that will count as a pally heal for anything but meters. At least for the purposes of trinket proccing. I've not to the best of my knowledge gotten my meta to proc on JoL hit, and that shit will proc off of summoning my pally mount.

    But still, we pallies have a HoT that ticks each second (for every person with a SS on them that we hit with a FoL. That can be several goinga t once.) With HL splash and our direct heals, it'll be proccing plenty.

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  • BobbleBobble Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    format wrote: »
    remember ret paladins leading healing meters on [strike]iron council?[/strike] half of all aoe fights pre ToC.

    Actually, I don't know if that will count as a pally heal for anything but meters. At least for the purposes of trinket proccing. I've not to the best of my knowledge gotten my meta to proc on JoL hit, and that shit will proc off of summoning my pally mount.

    But still, we pallies have a HoT that ticks each second (for every person with a SS on them that we hit with a FoL. That can be several goinga t once.) With HL splash and our direct heals, it'll be proccing plenty.

    Well the metas are (if I recall) on spellcast, whereas the trinket in question is 'on heal', so I think it'd do it. Obviously Ish should give the next one to a ret paladin to test with JoL and Divine storm :P

    Bobble on
  • NeylaNeyla Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Sad: Dragon Age killed our xbox (well just happen to be playing when i got the red ring o death)
    Hate: Our old xbox sounds like it's running on desiel fuel, but...must...play...dragon...age.
    Hope: Xbox Elite comes home before the new year.

    Happy: Did ICC in 10s, i think we just missing one achievement now. we did the airship attack exactly as the achievement discribed each raid member only ever going onto the other airship once, but no credit. oh well. It was easy enough and will be repeating it again.

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  • IshtaarIshtaar Fun is underrated. Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Bobble wrote: »
    Well the metas are (if I recall) on spellcast, whereas the trinket in question is 'on heal', so I think it'd do it. Obviously Ish should give the next one to a ret paladin to test with JoL and Divine storm :P

    Ugh, I'm about ready to.

    Ishtaar on
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  • shadowaneshadowane Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Neyla, did anyone use their rocket pack to move around the enemy ship? I've read that bugs out the achievement.

    shadowane on
  • TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Ishtaar wrote: »
    Bobble wrote: »
    Well the metas are (if I recall) on spellcast, whereas the trinket in question is 'on heal', so I think it'd do it. Obviously Ish should give the next one to a ret paladin to test with JoL and Divine storm :P

    Ugh, I'm about ready to.

    Speaking of which:
    Happy: Raid weekly is Noth. Got a group together last night to knock him out for badges.
    Hate: No shaman for BL. He teleported at <100k.
    Healers were me and another holy pally. I was doing pretty much pure dps with seal of corruption up and the other pally pulled the same dps ( 600! woo!) as me. So he was probably doing same. We could have both gone ret and killed the guy faster while doing more healing.

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  • Jubal77Jubal77 Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Happy: Toc25 and got a 245 Ring and Offhand.
    Hope: Get rid of my i200 bracers. HPoS is being a PoS.
    Hate: Carneys

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  • TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Oh sure, I'll tack another one on.
    Hate: In addition to that FoS pug I did last night having the awful hunter, the caster sword dropped off the last boss, just as I knew it would since i wasn't on my mage.

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  • EndEnd Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Ishtaar wrote: »
    Glyph of maul costs like 2g to make. Tell him to stop being a bitch, there is no reason he should be AOEing regardless of the damage it does. There is only ONE mob you need to worry about tanking on Suarfang. Glyph of maul is therefor worthless.

    This is something that drives me nuts: Why are people so hesitant to swap glyphs? Level inscription on an alt and/or befriend (people are scary) a scribe, have stacks of options available, profit?

    I dunno, but it might be a holdover from when you couldn't swap in an instance. I have like 7 stacks of glyphs laying around, and honestly, the worst part is the bag or bank space (depending if it's worthing carrying).

    Although, a stack of glyphs is pretty much the smallest amount I feel like bothering guildies to make. If it's just one glyph, I just buy it off the AH, even if I pay out the nose. :-/

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  • NeylaNeyla Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    shadowane wrote: »
    Neyla, did anyone use their rocket pack to move around the enemy ship? I've read that bugs out the achievement.

    hrmmm, I know I didn't... and i can't positively say no one else did. But I will mention this since I think we will be trying it in 25 mans tonight, thanks for the info!

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  • tallgeezetallgeeze Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Oh sure, I'll tack another one on.
    Hate: In addition to that FoS pug I did last night having the awful hunter, the caster sword dropped off the last boss, just as I knew it would since i wasn't on my mage.

    I think you passed some sort of curse onto me because after I read your earlier post the LFG dropped me into a HoR with a DK that had spellpower items on.

    It was doomed anyway run from the moment I got there. They were doing the lich king chase part when I got in. What happens?

    *teleport inside*
    Me: Hello
    Fury of Frostmourne hits you for 100000
    Me:What a welcome

    tallgeeze on
  • PierceNeckPierceNeck Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Hate: Why, when people are new to an instance, do they not listen to anything you say? In FoS, "Alright when he starts his soul corruption thing, the abilty where he looks like he's tethering you, run away a bit so we have time to kill the orb that spawns. Otherwise it'll heal him if it reaches him."

    Everyone stacks on the boss and doesn't move and the fight takes forever.

    "Ok, fine.... that took way longer than it should have but whatever. So for the next boss, don't DPS him when he mirrors someone. Again, it looks like a tether. If you DPS him while he does that, it will kill whoever he's mirroring."

    So I died rather early in that fight.

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  • NobodyNobody Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    PierceNeck wrote: »
    Hate: Why, when people are new to an instance, do they not listen to anything you say? In FoS, "Alright when he starts his soul corruption thing, the abilty where he looks like he's tethering you, run away a bit so we have time to kill the orb that spawns. Otherwise it'll heal him if it reaches him."

    Everyone stacks on the boss and doesn't move and the fight takes forever.

    "Ok, fine.... that took way longer than it should have but whatever. So for the next boss, don't DPS him when he mirrors someone. Again, it looks like a tether. If you DPS him while he does that, it will kill whoever he's mirroring."

    So I died rather early in that fight.

    I *might* have intentionally popped cooldowns on the second boss in FoS to kill another DPS who had ticked me off.

    Nobody on
  • ExistentialSoundandFuryExistentialSoundandFury Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Hate: Had some DK telling me that they've been tanking DW with fast/fast and they have absolutely no problems maintaining aggro. I had to bite back the natural response, "If your guild's dps is dogshit I can see how this would be true."

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  • BigityBigity Lubbock, TXRegistered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Nobody wrote: »
    PierceNeck wrote: »
    Hate: Why, when people are new to an instance, do they not listen to anything you say? In FoS, "Alright when he starts his soul corruption thing, the abilty where he looks like he's tethering you, run away a bit so we have time to kill the orb that spawns. Otherwise it'll heal him if it reaches him."

    Everyone stacks on the boss and doesn't move and the fight takes forever.

    "Ok, fine.... that took way longer than it should have but whatever. So for the next boss, don't DPS him when he mirrors someone. Again, it looks like a tether. If you DPS him while he does that, it will kill whoever he's mirroring."

    So I died rather early in that fight.

    I *might* have intentionally popped cooldowns on the second boss in FoS to kill another DPS who had ticked me off.

    I approve.

    Bigity on
  • PierceNeckPierceNeck Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    As do I.

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  • IshtaarIshtaar Fun is underrated. Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Nobody wrote: »
    I *might* have intentionally popped cooldowns on the second boss in FoS to kill another DPS who had ticked me off.

    I let a guy die to get the stupid night elf mohawk mask off him.

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  • TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    PierceNeck wrote: »
    Hate: Why, when people are new to an instance, do they not listen to anything you say? In FoS, "Alright when he starts his soul corruption thing, the abilty where he looks like he's tethering you, run away a bit so we have time to kill the orb that spawns. Otherwise it'll heal him if it reaches him."

    Everyone stacks on the boss and doesn't move and the fight takes forever.

    "Ok, fine.... that took way longer than it should have but whatever. So for the next boss, don't DPS him when he mirrors someone. Again, it looks like a tether. If you DPS him while he does that, it will kill whoever he's mirroring."

    So I died rather early in that fight.

    To be fair, the first couple times I did that first boss in FoS I had no idea what that ability did. Melee dps stayed stacked, ranged didn't get hit by it, dps blew through the healed damage so fast I didn't even notice.

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  • PierceNeckPierceNeck Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Well yeah, I've been in groups with enough dps where it didn't matter. This wasn't one of those groups. :(

    Not terrible dps, but not enough to where letting him get the heals wouldn't make a difference. Plus I told them what it did. I just attributing it to laziness.

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  • GnutsonGnutson Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Ishtaar wrote: »
    Nobody wrote: »
    I *might* have intentionally popped cooldowns on the second boss in FoS to kill another DPS who had ticked me off.

    I let a guy die to get the stupid night elf mohawk mask off him.

    Makes me want to play my healer more.

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  • EndEnd Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    PierceNeck wrote: »
    Hate: Why, when people are new to an instance, do they not listen to anything you say? In FoS, "Alright when he starts his soul corruption thing, the abilty where he looks like he's tethering you, run away a bit so we have time to kill the orb that spawns. Otherwise it'll heal him if it reaches him."

    Everyone stacks on the boss and doesn't move and the fight takes forever.

    "Ok, fine.... that took way longer than it should have but whatever. So for the next boss, don't DPS him when he mirrors someone. Again, it looks like a tether. If you DPS him while he does that, it will kill whoever he's mirroring."

    So I died rather early in that fight.

    To be fair, the first couple times I did that first boss in FoS I had no idea what that ability did. Melee dps stayed stacked, ranged didn't get hit by it, dps blew through the healed damage so fast I didn't even notice.

    I've killed a few tanks with the version (where your damage is dealt to Tyrannus's target) in pits. You'd think I'd stop going as affliction... :(

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  • Kevin CristKevin Crist I make the devil hit his knees and say the 'our father'Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    devourer of souls + Affliction = fun times.

    Healer: I said stop dps on mirror!

    Me: I did!

    tickticktickticktick

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  • SabreMauSabreMau ネトゲしよう 판다리아Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Naphtali wrote: »
    SabreMau wrote: »
    Argh: An ICC-10 PUg. Oneshot Marrowgar (who's significantly easier than when I tried to PUG it early last week), oneshot Deathwhisper, three tries to get gunship down (some people weren't quite understanding what to do), and then wipe wipe wipe wipe wipe on Saurfang. Blood Beasts kept spawning and gnawing immediately on the tankadin. We said not to use Consecration or, when beasts are up, Hammer of the Righteous. They countered that they wouldn't then be able to build up enough threat. I pointed out that with him tauntable, they'd gain back all the threat that the warrior tank did. I'm not sure this lesson was conveyed properly, as some adds still kept occasionally staying with the tank. And then the tree druid was unimpressed with me on the healing meters, despite the fact that Disc always shows up lower on Recount than Holy. And the usual "It's soooooo late I can't stay I gotta sleep" at the end.

    Hope: Everyone's refreshed and recharged and ready to go back in tonight. Aside from making too many mistakes at the end of the night, things didn't go all that badly for the rest of the raid, and we did get close once or twice.

    Complexity: I got a 251 belt off Marrowgar. But it lowers even more of my crit to boost up haste, which is already getting quite high. On one hand, Rawr in a variety of configurations says it's an upgrade in both burst and sustained, but on the other, I remember an EJ sticky that had the "Disc priests, reach this level of haste and do not stack more" and I was above that mark even before I got this upgrade. So, yeah.

    Out of curosity, what were they saying as a haste cap for Disc? I mean, its not that more haste is ever bad, its just it only goes so far with Borrowed Time.
    Rules of Thumb for Disc
    Pick up haste up to ~ 11% (hard-cap). Absolutely do not stack more.
    Spellpower is king, especially since you don't have Spiritual Guidance scaling your levels.
    Pick up as much intellect as possible. Once you aren't having mana problems replace any previous intellect sockets with spellpower or a combination ([Luminous Ametrine]
    11 spirit = 4 Mp5, with no spellpower gains.
    And I'm all the way up to 15.74% haste unbuffed. I'm not gemming for it, that's just the haste that comes with the gear.

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  • BloodshedBloodshed I smoke my friends Down to the FilterRegistered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Seething Hatred: DK's in 51-60 PvP Battlegrounds, rapefucking everything in sight, Death Gripping poor bastards who just rezz'd in WSG from below, running around in their badass blues they won't have to replace til like level Seventy-Fucking-Five. /nerdrage off

    Sad: I'm nowhere near the first person to bitch about this.

    Happy-ish: Every time I see a DK die my heart grows 7 times bigger for 30 seconds. Usually until the next time I get Death Gripped into a blender.

    Plan: Level 39 Pally to 60 and go a-DK-Hunting. Oh yes, vengeance shall be mine. :evil:



    -Bloodshed-

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  • DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    edited December 2009
    I _wrecked_ DKs on my Enh shaman once I hit 56 in the levelling AVs.

    Six heirlooms is funtimes.

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  • BrainleechBrainleech 機知に富んだコメントはここにあります Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    devourer of souls + Affliction = fun times.

    Healer: I said stop dps on mirror!

    Me: I did!

    tickticktickticktick

    Well I sad it was too late because I cast those spells long before he cast the mirror

    Brainleech on
  • IshtaarIshtaar Fun is underrated. Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    SabreMau wrote: »
    And I'm all the way up to 15.74% haste unbuffed. I'm not gemming for it, that's just the haste that comes with the gear.

    @Disc Haste.... T9 gear was just loaded with Haste, there's no avoiding it for the most part. T10 gets a little better, but I think I figured I'll end up around 15% while actively *Avoiding* it when possible. It's not perfect, but well, it still effects your casts when you're not just bubble spamming at least.

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  • VariableVariable Mouth Congress Stroke Me Lady FameRegistered User regular
    edited December 2009
    hate: anyone who drops group on oculus should be aware that they are pathetic. it's infuriating.

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  • JavenJaven Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    For some reason I was under the impression people could unclick debuffs done to mobs by them

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  • SabreMauSabreMau ネトゲしよう 판다리아Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Ishtaar wrote: »
    SabreMau wrote: »
    And I'm all the way up to 15.74% haste unbuffed. I'm not gemming for it, that's just the haste that comes with the gear.

    @Disc Haste.... T9 gear was just loaded with Haste, there's no avoiding it for the most part. T10 gets a little better, but I think I figured I'll end up around 15% while actively *Avoiding* it when possible. It's not perfect, but well, it still effects your casts when you're not just bubble spamming at least.

    Also, that part of the post was made a long while ago and simply copy-pasted into the new thread, where they followed up on it by having a big long discussion about how more haste than that isn't all that bad, especially for a tank healer.

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