I found the bosses to be quite meh, not outright bad, but not memorable the same way you remember bosses in MGS....odd, I remember fighting mooks in AA more memorable than the bosses and remember the bosses in MGS more than I remember fighting the mooks.
Ahem. spoiled opinions on bosses
Titan mutants: entertaining because there was a principle behind them that i had to learn it was fun to rodeo smack their friends
Bane: A less entertaining Titan Mutant. I know that is backwards and its venom, but his gameplay was quite dull and when you consider the character, its an insult.
Croc: not bad but not that entertaining, not much of a challenge
Poison Ivy: Did megabyte corrupt another game cube? Because this feels less like batman and more like an 8 bit console game.
Megajoker: This wasn't an epic climax of everything you had learned in the game but listening to him spout crap at the helicopter and who was inside it was joyful. I also found the tool of defeat to be just as entertaining.
I suppose that is what bugs me about a lot of the boss battle is that aside from the duo in the greenhouse, they aren't an expansion of any gameplay elements. You aren't getting better at combat or stealth to defeat them, you just mindlessly hit when you can or run away. The last one made it really fun to do so but the others could have been done better.
That's how you make a better boss. You incorporate stealth into the mix. You're one-on-one with (for example) the Ventriloquist, who has a massive fucking gun. He'll send goons at you - you have to take them out to sneak up on him, otherwise they'll call to him and he'll shoot you to shit, but if you take them out too obviously he'll see you himself.
Basically a silent predator room, but with the gun-toting enemy in a really advantageous spot. Maybe you have to clear out the room and attack him when he's in a couple of different positions.
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edited December 2010
Poison Ivy isn't that bad a fight
It's more "64-bit Zelda boss" than "NES game boss"
But it's still shit weak compared to the rest of the game
I remember an old old preview saying that the tears your cape took would start to affect your gliding abilities. It sounded way cool, but having played the game, I'm glad they didn't go that far with it. Still, the persistence of the damage as the night (knight?) goes on does a really good job of building up the oh shit, this is all one night and Batman is getting beat up
This is no doubt one of my favorite parts about Arkham Asylum, and every action game that takes place entirely over a short period of time should learn something from it.
Also, sorry you didn't like Ivy, Morninglord. I absolutely love that boss fight.
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edited December 2010
I love the damage, just not the cape. It'd just irk me less if they'd had it rip somewhere else. It's right where the cape balloons out, ie where it's taking all his weight.
I didn't mind any of the other boss fights, although I was disappointed with Bane. But I don't mind the titans and I found Croc interesting.
The reason I don't like Ivy is that the fight itself is boring. Everything else about the game has been an adrenaline rollercoaster ride and then suddenly I wanna fall asleep. You don't even need to dodge. It was so odd it broke the spell for a while and I remembered I had things to do today, so I turned it off.
I'll go yawn my way through it tomorrow morning and get back into the real game.
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You don't have to dodge, but running from her orbs is like a relief period
The real challenge of that fight is taking on security guards while avoiding the vines and looking like a boss while doing it
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edited December 2010
Fixed camera angles.
I just realised why I hated it so much. Goddam fixed camera angle fight with a keyboard.
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Amen!
Strangely I feel better now. I'm normally immune to aggravation in an action game and I couldn't work out where all my negativity was coming from. It was bothering the crap out of me.
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Yeah, that was my problem with that fight on Hard. It wasn't any one of the aspects of it, it was that I had to fight all these goons while looking at the action from sixty miles away with binoculars, and couldn't see them telegraphing their attacks properly. When I finally beat her I had the tiniest sliver of health left.
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edited December 2010
Ivy on Hard is just such a bullshit fight. It's not even a "good' tough, where you willingly push yourself harder and better to overcome it. It's just tedious and un-fun.
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edited December 2010
Tedious and un-fun pretty much describes every boss fight in Arkham Asylum.
Except probably Scarecrow. But moreso because the cinematics were good for those sections and they didn't last too long.
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edited December 2010
I saw what they were going for with the Croc sequence, and I really like the idea of it.
See, the only fights I would consider 'bosses' are Bane, Ivy and the Joker, along with a couple of Titan+goons fights. Zsasz and Ivy don't count, and Scarecrow and Croc aren't boss fights so much as interesting new ways of doing the exploration/platforming stuff.
Also, you know how I was talking about attention to detail? You know how you come across Ra's Al Ghul's corpse in the morgue? If you visit the morgue lter in the game, it's gone. That's pretty fucking cool.
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See, the only fights I would consider 'bosses' are Bane, Ivy and the Joker, along with a couple of Titan+goons fights. Zsasz and Ivy don't count, and Scarecrow and Croc aren't boss fights so much as interesting new ways of doing the exploration/platforming stuff.
Also, you know how I was talking about attention to detail? You know how you come across Ra's Al Ghul's corpse in the morgue? If you visit the morgue lter in the game, it's gone. That's pretty fucking cool.
Thats it, I'm building a gaming rig for africa so I can go back and see these things I miss (and its not because I am having Asylum withdrawal).
I always felt kind of sorry for Ivy in this game. She was pretty content to just chill in the greenhouse until Joker drugged her, then she goes all crazy and gets blown up by Batman.
I really liked her part in the game, though. When she goes nuts and takes over all of Arkham by overrunning it with plants, and every area changes dramatically while her booming voice is projected everywhere. Made for some great atmosphere and it was a real "oh shit things are getting fucking bad" moment.
Also loved her little arguments with Joker over the PA.
So has everyone here gone into the secret Arkham City room? It took me a bit to find it (with the general location given to me obviously) but I thought it was a bit of a let down. It's still really awesome that no-one found it at all for over a year.
I could boot up Arkham Asylum and go have a look, but I'd be running the risk of getting sucked back into the combat challenges and that just won't do. I really need to start having a crack at my backlog.
I could boot up Arkham Asylum and go have a look, but I'd be running the risk of getting sucked back into the combat challenges and that just won't do. I really need to start having a crack at my backlog.
Hah, yeah. I've been drawn back in. All I need for 100% is the final bat on Shock and Awe Extreme...
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I could boot up Arkham Asylum and go have a look, but I'd be running the risk of getting sucked back into the combat challenges and that just won't do. I really need to start having a crack at my backlog.
Hah, yeah. I've been drawn back in. All I need for 100% is the final bat on Shock and Awe Extreme...
I've already got the Platinum, so I wouldn't be drawn back in for that reason, but those combat challenges are just so much fun that it's really easy to get lost in them just for the sake of enjoying them.
And good luck getting that third bat in Shock & Awe Extreme. I was honestly wondering if that challenge would be the one that would prevent me from getting 100%, but I was lucky enough - and skilful enough - that I triple batted it on my fourth attempt. The relief I felt as the last mook went down was indescribable.
I could boot up Arkham Asylum and go have a look, but I'd be running the risk of getting sucked back into the combat challenges and that just won't do. I really need to start having a crack at my backlog.
Hah, yeah. I've been drawn back in. All I need for 100% is the final bat on Shock and Awe Extreme...
I've already got the Platinum, so I wouldn't be drawn back in for that reason, but those combat challenges are just so much fun that it's really easy to get lost in them just for the sake of enjoying them.
And good luck getting that third bat in Shock & Awe Extreme. I was honestly wondering if that challenge would be the one that would prevent me from getting 100%, but I was lucky enough - and skilful enough - that I triple batted it on my fourth attempt. The relief I felt as the last mook went down was indescribable.
The annoying thing is that I two-batted it with something like 26000. If I'd just countered one more hit, I'd have done it.
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So you guys were joking about the frying? It sure scared the crap out of me when "that" happened.
Or did some people really have the game go all "literal" on them?
"Tilt the mouse to avoid Jokers gunfire"
Indeed. That one got me too.
FUCK YES. HI5 EVERYBODY!
Yeah we were kidding. I just really wanted that bit to freak you the fuck out. I remember playing on my 360 and switching the fucking thing off. I thought it overheated my console. Given the fact my console had red-ringed twice before, I wasn't taking any chances.
I'm still grinning like a madman at the thought of that actually freaking you out.
That part freaked me out so much. YES. =D
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edited December 2010
I don't think Joker even haves a sex drive.
Harley Quinn devote worship and faith in the Joker certainly reinforces the Joker love of himself, but I don't think the Joker haves sex with Harley Quinn.
If anything, his obsession with Batman would make him a closet homosexual. LOL, wouldn't that be ironic that the only thing that the Joker need is Batman love?
Because of Joker obsession with Batman and his chaotic nature, I don't think that the Joker is able to have sex. He just wouldn't be interested enough.
MorninglordI'm tired of being Batman,so today I'll be Owl.Registered Userregular
edited December 2010
Speaking of Harley...she was an accident waiting to happen.
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The psychology in Batman is laughably bad. As in I laugh at it because it is funny to see how out of touch cultural conceptions are from the current consensus in the field. For example, Insanity hasn't been a clinical diagnosis for over 100 years. Only non health professionals talk about sanity as if it is a meaningful concept.
It's great feel good comic book gibberish though, but it does make me laugh. So do the patient interviews. These guys are so bad you can see it coming a mile away. The only halfway professional one is that woman with the accent.
And joker does defy classical diagnosis which is part of what makes him great. He's got basically everything and nothing.
(On the other hand, I am fondly amused that AA has never heard of pharmaceutical interventions. As in I genuinely like that. It fits right into the twisted universe. Drugged villians would be boring.)
If you feel you want to step up and defend Batman because it is a comic book rest assured I know that already. I am not impugning upon the coolness of the B-man's comic books. He's still the baddest ass in all of bad assery to me. It's more that the psychology/psychiatry in Batman reflects the unchanging and increasingly inaccurate wider cultural conceptions of what mental health care is like. ie it's not really limited to Batman. It's just that this one is set inside an "asylum" so it's being thrust in my face and making me lol all over the place.
/end psychodribble
Oh and the challenges are awesome.
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As if people don't already have their jones on for Harley Quinn just because they want to protect her from the mean, mean Joker. Sexualising her wasn't going to be that...hard.
Harley has always been sexy, but there's a certain class and quirk to her sexiness. Nobody can be sex like Harley Quinn because nobody is exactly as crazy as she is.
In AA, they basically modeled a stripper in a nurse outfit and FMBs.
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KalTorakOne way or another, they all end up inthe Undercity.Registered Userregular
edited December 2010
You're characterizing her uniqueness by means of her personality, but complaining about her appearance. It's well within Harley's crazy personality to dress up as a mockery of a nurse once they've taken over the asylum. Besides, I think her personality was kept pretty well intact by the writers through her interactions with the Joker, Gordon, and Batman.
Also, I personally like to classify people as normal or "yo, that dude is nuts." There is an elegant simplicity to it.
I remember you heavily implying I would love them to death.
There may have been a warning in the literal meaning of the sentence you uttered but I don't think that one got through.
I started doing them to get used to using my PS3 controller since I'd been using keyboard up until last night. Two hours later....
I did find another problem with counters in that two hours. There's one random counter where he slams them to the ground in about .2 of a second. It's so fast that you almost can't react to it, given that all the other counters have a pretty slow timing. I call it the "combo ender counter" because it throws off my timing and loses me the combo everytime. So now I gotta learn to react to my own counter.
Also after doing counters for a while to see how the randomization thing works and stuff I started trying to counter knife guys without thinking.
I think this games combat is really awesome but gosh if they'd just tweaked it just a tiny tiny bit it'd be the stuff of legends.
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Ahem. spoiled opinions on bosses
Titan mutants: entertaining because there was a principle behind them that i had to learn it was fun to rodeo smack their friends
Bane: A less entertaining Titan Mutant. I know that is backwards and its venom, but his gameplay was quite dull and when you consider the character, its an insult.
Croc: not bad but not that entertaining, not much of a challenge
Poison Ivy: Did megabyte corrupt another game cube? Because this feels less like batman and more like an 8 bit console game.
Megajoker: This wasn't an epic climax of everything you had learned in the game but listening to him spout crap at the helicopter and who was inside it was joyful. I also found the tool of defeat to be just as entertaining.
I suppose that is what bugs me about a lot of the boss battle is that aside from the duo in the greenhouse, they aren't an expansion of any gameplay elements. You aren't getting better at combat or stealth to defeat them, you just mindlessly hit when you can or run away. The last one made it really fun to do so but the others could have been done better.
http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=16534
Basically a silent predator room, but with the gun-toting enemy in a really advantageous spot. Maybe you have to clear out the room and attack him when he's in a couple of different positions.
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It's more "64-bit Zelda boss" than "NES game boss"
But it's still shit weak compared to the rest of the game
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This is no doubt one of my favorite parts about Arkham Asylum, and every action game that takes place entirely over a short period of time should learn something from it.
Also, sorry you didn't like Ivy, Morninglord. I absolutely love that boss fight.
I didn't mind any of the other boss fights, although I was disappointed with Bane. But I don't mind the titans and I found Croc interesting.
The reason I don't like Ivy is that the fight itself is boring. Everything else about the game has been an adrenaline rollercoaster ride and then suddenly I wanna fall asleep. You don't even need to dodge. It was so odd it broke the spell for a while and I remembered I had things to do today, so I turned it off.
I'll go yawn my way through it tomorrow morning and get back into the real game.
The real challenge of that fight is taking on security guards while avoiding the vines and looking like a boss while doing it
I just realised why I hated it so much. Goddam fixed camera angle fight with a keyboard.
Rule 1 of gaming: Though shalt not taketh away thee Player's Freedoms arbitrarily!
Amen!
Strangely I feel better now. I'm normally immune to aggravation in an action game and I couldn't work out where all my negativity was coming from. It was bothering the crap out of me.
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Except probably Scarecrow. But moreso because the cinematics were good for those sections and they didn't last too long.
Also, you know how I was talking about attention to detail? You know how you come across Ra's Al Ghul's corpse in the morgue? If you visit the morgue lter in the game, it's gone. That's pretty fucking cool.
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Thats it, I'm building a gaming rig for africa so I can go back and see these things I miss (and its not because I am having Asylum withdrawal).
http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=16534
I really liked her part in the game, though. When she goes nuts and takes over all of Arkham by overrunning it with plants, and every area changes dramatically while her booming voice is projected everywhere. Made for some great atmosphere and it was a real "oh shit things are getting fucking bad" moment.
Also loved her little arguments with Joker over the PA.
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I could boot up Arkham Asylum and go have a look, but I'd be running the risk of getting sucked back into the combat challenges and that just won't do. I really need to start having a crack at my backlog.
Hah, yeah. I've been drawn back in. All I need for 100% is the final bat on Shock and Awe Extreme...
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I've already got the Platinum, so I wouldn't be drawn back in for that reason, but those combat challenges are just so much fun that it's really easy to get lost in them just for the sake of enjoying them.
And good luck getting that third bat in Shock & Awe Extreme. I was honestly wondering if that challenge would be the one that would prevent me from getting 100%, but I was lucky enough - and skilful enough - that I triple batted it on my fourth attempt. The relief I felt as the last mook went down was indescribable.
The annoying thing is that I two-batted it with something like 26000. If I'd just countered one more hit, I'd have done it.
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Or PS3. A PS3 is fine too.
That part freaked me out so much. YES. =D
I agree, but the ending to that fight was super holy shit mega-awesome.
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Harley Quinn devote worship and faith in the Joker certainly reinforces the Joker love of himself, but I don't think the Joker haves sex with Harley Quinn.
If anything, his obsession with Batman would make him a closet homosexual. LOL, wouldn't that be ironic that the only thing that the Joker need is Batman love?
Because of Joker obsession with Batman and his chaotic nature, I don't think that the Joker is able to have sex. He just wouldn't be interested enough.
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All right, people. It is not a gerbil. It is not a hamster. It is not a guinea pig. It is a death rabbit. Death. Rabbit. Say it with me, now.
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The psychology in Batman is laughably bad. As in I laugh at it because it is funny to see how out of touch cultural conceptions are from the current consensus in the field. For example, Insanity hasn't been a clinical diagnosis for over 100 years. Only non health professionals talk about sanity as if it is a meaningful concept.
It's great feel good comic book gibberish though, but it does make me laugh. So do the patient interviews. These guys are so bad you can see it coming a mile away. The only halfway professional one is that woman with the accent.
And joker does defy classical diagnosis which is part of what makes him great. He's got basically everything and nothing.
(On the other hand, I am fondly amused that AA has never heard of pharmaceutical interventions. As in I genuinely like that. It fits right into the twisted universe. Drugged villians would be boring.)
If you feel you want to step up and defend Batman because it is a comic book rest assured I know that already. I am not impugning upon the coolness of the B-man's comic books. He's still the baddest ass in all of bad assery to me. It's more that the psychology/psychiatry in Batman reflects the unchanging and increasingly inaccurate wider cultural conceptions of what mental health care is like. ie it's not really limited to Batman. It's just that this one is set inside an "asylum" so it's being thrust in my face and making me lol all over the place.
/end psychodribble
Oh and the challenges are awesome.
Preciously my point.
Harley has always been sexy, but there's a certain class and quirk to her sexiness. Nobody can be sex like Harley Quinn because nobody is exactly as crazy as she is.
In AA, they basically modeled a stripper in a nurse outfit and FMBs.
Also, I personally like to classify people as normal or "yo, that dude is nuts." There is an elegant simplicity to it.
All right, people. It is not a gerbil. It is not a hamster. It is not a guinea pig. It is a death rabbit. Death. Rabbit. Say it with me, now.
I remember you heavily implying I would love them to death.
There may have been a warning in the literal meaning of the sentence you uttered but I don't think that one got through.
I started doing them to get used to using my PS3 controller since I'd been using keyboard up until last night. Two hours later....
I did find another problem with counters in that two hours. There's one random counter where he slams them to the ground in about .2 of a second. It's so fast that you almost can't react to it, given that all the other counters have a pretty slow timing. I call it the "combo ender counter" because it throws off my timing and loses me the combo everytime. So now I gotta learn to react to my own counter.
Also after doing counters for a while to see how the randomization thing works and stuff I started trying to counter knife guys without thinking.
I think this games combat is really awesome but gosh if they'd just tweaked it just a tiny tiny bit it'd be the stuff of legends.