I was surprised that Leliana and Zevran had a couple good banters that weren't just "I'm hitting on you" "ew no"
There's one where
He keeps bugging her to tell him about her vision. She keeps saying "No, you only want to know so you can make fun of me."
Zevran: "Fine, I suppose if you don't want to spread the word of the Maker..."
Leliana: "...well...why do you want to know?"
Zevran: "To make fun of you, of course!"
Leliana: "You are impossible!"
Zevran: "Do you think? Actually, I've been told more than once that I am quite easy."
I missed out on (love) relationships on my first playthrough, though now during my second I've already seen Morrigan and Leliana almost catfight over me, which was hilarious. Next love victim is Zevran so that'll be interesting
I missed out on (love) relationships on my first playthrough, though now during my second I've already almost seen Morrigan and Leliana catfight over me, which was hilarious. Next love victim is Zevran so that'll be interesting
Funny, I never witnessed the catfights because I have a hard time sticking with male characters. My male human noble got sidetracked by my city elf female, and my male mage got sidelined when my PS3 went on the fritz.
I think when I get back I might try male human noble again.
TexiKenDammit!That fish really got me!Registered Userregular
edited December 2009
In regards to Morrigan's sidequest,
If you don't sleep with her and are just her friend, when you go to confront Flemeth does she have different dialogue instead of saying you are wrapped around her finger?
If you don't sleep with her and are just her friend, when you go to confront Flemeth does she have different dialogue instead of saying you are wrapped around her finger?
If you don't sleep with her and are just her friend, when you go to confront Flemeth does she have different dialogue instead of saying you are wrapped around her finger?
No, it's the same no matter what.
Even if Morrigan pretty much hates you it's the same. Her quest is based on an item you find and not how much she likes you as other party members' are.
the part where you get burning man form and then fight all those mages. Are fire spells this powerful outside the dream too? Because if I'm not in burning man form I get like 1-shotted by some bullshit knockdown fire spell, and by converse I can 1-shot all the mages in one big AOE fireball. If it's this powerful outside of the dream too, then I think I specialized in the wrong spells...
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TexiKenDammit!That fish really got me!Registered Userregular
edited December 2009
That whole part sucks and I died about 10 times there, the fade was the worst part of the game. See if you can drag out one magician and kill him (run all the way back through the previous rooms if you have too), and then fireball the others and use an Acid Flask if you have them.
They kind of go after each other but it only triggers when you walk through the door but they then turn to fight you, it's lame.
That whole part sucks and I died about 10 times there, the fade was the worst part of the game. See if you can drag out one magician and kill him (run all the way back through the previous rooms if you have too), and then fireball the others and use an Acid Flask if you have them.
They kind of go after each other but it only triggers when you walk through the door but they then turn to fight you, it's lame.
Honestly, as much as the Fade section sucks it's one of my favorite dungeons because at least it's a little different than all of the other boring ass dungeons in the game.
I'm still baffled how anyone could die in the fade. Burning man form will get you through 99% of it, including bosses without difficulty and Golem can tank pretty much everything. Only thing I can think of is they're trying to go through it without being in a "form". Maybe then it's hard.
I'm still baffled how anyone could die in the fade. Burning man form will get you through 99% of it, including bosses without difficulty and Golem can tank pretty much everything. Only thing I can think of is they're trying to go through it without being in a "form". Maybe then it's hard.
When you fight those mages, every form gets stunned by them shooting a fireball at you, and then just hit you with ranged magic enough that you're dead before you can get back up and quick heal. Everythign else in the fade is real easy (and boring) but that one part.
-Loki-Don't pee in my mouth and tell me it's raining.Registered Userregular
edited December 2009
Regarding that fight in the Fade
I just got them clustered at the door and fireballed them. I think. Then I healed up, went mouse form and snuck up on the remaining mages and killed them.
I'm still baffled how anyone could die in the fade. Burning man form will get you through 99% of it, including bosses without difficulty and Golem can tank pretty much everything. Only thing I can think of is they're trying to go through it without being in a "form". Maybe then it's hard.
When you fight those mages, every form gets stunned by them shooting a fireball at you, and then just hit you with ranged magic enough that you're dead before you can get back up and quick heal. Everythign else in the fade is real easy (and boring) but that one part.
Seriously, I died twice to the knock-you-down-with-fireball-and-then-kill-you-before-you-get-up bullshit before I realized I could just burning man and do the same bullshit to them. Also, when I fought the ogre, I tried to do it in Golem form, because hey it's one dude and he's doing physical damage, and on the first ogre boss none of my crowd control had worked, but he just chain knocked me down->death. I ended up beating him with burning man fire ball->spirit winter grasp/cage->fireball.
The question remains though, is fireball/aoe in general this powerful outside of this dungeon? I've been sort of underwhelmed by the skills I've been getting (mostly single target, got full rock, winters grasp, and the crushing prison thing. The theory was, lots of shatter). Using powerful spells on single mobs seems like a waste when I can AOE death them like this, and all the powerful creatures I went against so far (ogre, revenant, etc.) were immune to like all my CC, so welp...
I'm still baffled how anyone could die in the fade. Burning man form will get you through 99% of it, including bosses without difficulty and Golem can tank pretty much everything. Only thing I can think of is they're trying to go through it without being in a "form". Maybe then it's hard.
When you fight those mages, every form gets stunned by them shooting a fireball at you, and then just hit you with ranged magic enough that you're dead before you can get back up and quick heal. Everythign else in the fade is real easy (and boring) but that one part.
Seriously, I died twice to the knock-you-down-with-fireball-and-then-kill-you-before-you-get-up bullshit before I realized I could just burning man and do the same bullshit to them. Also, when I fought the ogre, I tried to do it in Golem form, because hey it's one dude and he's doing physical damage, and on the first ogre boss none of my crowd control had worked, but he just chain knocked me down->death. I ended up beating him with burning man fire ball->spirit winter grasp/cage->fireball.
The question remains though, is fireball/aoe in general this powerful outside of this dungeon? I've been sort of underwhelmed by the skills I've been getting (mostly single target, got full rock, winters grasp, and the crushing prison thing. The theory was, lots of shatter). Using powerful spells on single mobs seems like a waste when I can AOE death them like this, and all the powerful creatures I went against so far (ogre, revenant, etc.) were immune to like all my CC, so welp...
Fireball is pretty useful, at least early on. It loses some of its utility later in the game, though the knockdown is always useful.
The big problem with fireball, especially early in the game when your tanks might not be the best at aggro management, is that fireball is a huge aggro magnet.
I'm not looking for a story spoiler here, but I would like some confirmation on if its possible to miss or skip part of the quest I'm on now, because I don't want to miss or skip anything.
I chose to go to Redcliffe first after leaving Lothering. I've been working on the quest to save the town from the undead and stop the kid in the castle. My concern is that there is the other quest to get the Ashes to save the Arl. If I continue progressing this story and stop the demon kid, will I miss out on a chance to go hunting for the relic to save the Arl?
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I'm still baffled how anyone could die in the fade. Burning man form will get you through 99% of it, including bosses without difficulty and Golem can tank pretty much everything. Only thing I can think of is they're trying to go through it without being in a "form". Maybe then it's hard.
When you fight those mages, every form gets stunned by them shooting a fireball at you, and then just hit you with ranged magic enough that you're dead before you can get back up and quick heal. Everythign else in the fade is real easy (and boring) but that one part.
Seriously, I died twice to the knock-you-down-with-fireball-and-then-kill-you-before-you-get-up bullshit before I realized I could just burning man and do the same bullshit to them. Also, when I fought the ogre, I tried to do it in Golem form, because hey it's one dude and he's doing physical damage, and on the first ogre boss none of my crowd control had worked, but he just chain knocked me down->death. I ended up beating him with burning man fire ball->spirit winter grasp/cage->fireball.
The question remains though, is fireball/aoe in general this powerful outside of this dungeon? I've been sort of underwhelmed by the skills I've been getting (mostly single target, got full rock, winters grasp, and the crushing prison thing. The theory was, lots of shatter). Using powerful spells on single mobs seems like a waste when I can AOE death them like this, and all the powerful creatures I went against so far (ogre, revenant, etc.) were immune to like all my CC, so welp...
Fireball is fucking powerful outside that dungeon as well. More than a few times my party has been wiped by a well placed enemy fireball. Now I have Leliana hit any prominent mage with Arrow of Slaying while my warrior goe after any other mages while Shale/Alistair tank the start of a fight. Mage hunting is my number 1 priority simply because of fireball.
I'm still baffled how anyone could die in the fade. Burning man form will get you through 99% of it, including bosses without difficulty and Golem can tank pretty much everything. Only thing I can think of is they're trying to go through it without being in a "form". Maybe then it's hard.
When you fight those mages, every form gets stunned by them shooting a fireball at you, and then just hit you with ranged magic enough that you're dead before you can get back up and quick heal. Everythign else in the fade is real easy (and boring) but that one part.
Seriously, I died twice to the knock-you-down-with-fireball-and-then-kill-you-before-you-get-up bullshit before I realized I could just burning man and do the same bullshit to them. Also, when I fought the ogre, I tried to do it in Golem form, because hey it's one dude and he's doing physical damage, and on the first ogre boss none of my crowd control had worked, but he just chain knocked me down->death. I ended up beating him with burning man fire ball->spirit winter grasp/cage->fireball.
The question remains though, is fireball/aoe in general this powerful outside of this dungeon? I've been sort of underwhelmed by the skills I've been getting (mostly single target, got full rock, winters grasp, and the crushing prison thing. The theory was, lots of shatter). Using powerful spells on single mobs seems like a waste when I can AOE death them like this, and all the powerful creatures I went against so far (ogre, revenant, etc.) were immune to like all my CC, so welp...
Yeah, the fire tree is pretty awesome. Fireball will be just as powerful (sans on fire-immunes :P) and Inferno is a really good damage over time area effect too... Just so long as you can find a way to keep them in it. Since you've got full rock, you can always earthquake to help keep'em down.
Also incredibly minor spoiler
You get +20% fire damage gloves at the end of the mage tower too.
I'm not looking for a story spoiler here, but I would like some confirmation on if its possible to miss or skip part of the quest I'm on now, because I don't want to miss or skip anything.
I chose to go to Redcliffe first after leaving Lothering. I've been working on the quest to save the town from the undead and stop the kid in the castle. My concern is that there is the other quest to get the Ashes to save the Arl. If I continue progressing this story and stop the demon kid, will I miss out on a chance to go hunting for the relic to save the Arl?
That part of the game is required. You can't skip it.
I just got Leliana to complement my PC on her hairstyle.
Which was hilarious to me since apparently my PC has copied Leliana's hairstyle.
I can't tell if the talk only got triggered by that or if it was just the standard camp 'I am finally friendly enough to teach you the bard specialization' talk.
I just got Leliana to complement my PC on her hairstyle.
Which was hilarious to me since apparently my PC has copied Leliana's hairstyle.
I can't tell if the talk only got triggered by that or if it was just the standard camp 'I am finally friendly enough to teach you the bard specialization' talk.
Actually, that was the "I am finally friendly enough to be gay with you" conversation.
One of the few moments to strike up a romance. That's her cute and awkward attepmt at a come-on. You get a few other opportunities later on in case you messed that one up and stayed on the friend route.
I did choose the friend options so hopefully she won't later misinterpret my hitting on Alistair. Seriously, I wasn't just buttering you up for a specialization! ..okay maybe I was, only because archery is still on the watered down version in my game. Lest I end up with even more arrow related PC deaths.
Leliana will teach you Bard pretty easily. Really the only ones that were hesitant were the two that came from exclusive orders; Zevran with the Crows and Alistair with the Templars.
So I beat this yesterday. Random thoughts on the ending sections as a Male Human Noble:
So I'm minding my own business, being BFFs with Alistair and romancing Leliana.
And then I rescue Queen Anora. I had heard that a Female Human Noble can become Queen by marrying Alistair, so something suddenly occured to me. Sure enough, one Persuasion check later and Anora agrees to make me King-consort.
So, being a somewhat stand-up fellow, I immediately try to break up with Leliana. Except she talks me out of it. I just couldn't do it, so I figure I can just have a mistress on the side. I also let Alistair know that I'm supporting Anora, though there wasn't an option to say why.
Then next time I'm in camp, Leliana breaks up with me
Then we get to the Landsmeet and Alistair wants me to kill Loghain. And I know that he's absolutely right, and that he deserves it. Except I want to be King. And killing the Queen's father didn't strike me as beneficial to that arrangement.
So I betray my romance choice and the person who's been with me the entire time, just so I can be King.
TLDR - I went from being a goody two-shoes to betraying my friends in about 30 minutes, all for a woman.
Oh, and on the resolution of the origin story with Arl Howe:
He died while a summoned Bear had him pinned with Overwhelm. Seeing that was the most satisfying revenge possible.
So I beat this yesterday. Random thoughts on the ending sections as a Male Human Noble:
So I'm minding my own business, being BFFs with Alistair and romancing Leliana.
And then I rescue Queen Anora. I had heard that a Female Human Noble can become Queen by marrying Alistair, so something suddenly occured to me. Sure enough, one Persuasion check later and Anora agrees to make me King-consort.
So, being a somewhat stand-up fellow, I immediately try to break up with Leliana. Except she talks me out of it. I just couldn't do it, so I figure I can just have a mistress on the side. I also let Alistair know that I'm supporting Anora, though there wasn't an option to say why.
Then next time I'm in camp, Leliana breaks up with me
Then we get to the Landsmeet and Alistair wants me to kill Loghain. And I know that he's absolutely right, and that he deserves it. Except I want to be King. And killing the Queen's father didn't strike me as beneficial to that arrangement.
So I betray my romance choice and the person who's been with me the entire time, just so I can be King.
TLDR - I went from being a goody two-shoes to betraying my friends in about 30 minutes, all for a woman.
Oh, and on the resolution of the origin story with Arl Howe:
He died while a summoned Bear had him pinned with Overwhelm. Seeing that was the most satisfying revenge possible.
You just made me realize something regarding Howe:
Dog has had a secret revenge quest this whole time. If you're a human noble, he has every reason to want to tear Howe's out throat as you do! Sounds like I'll be taking him with me during that particular confrontation!
So I beat this yesterday. Random thoughts on the ending sections as a Male Human Noble:
So I'm minding my own business, being BFFs with Alistair and romancing Leliana.
And then I rescue Queen Anora. I had heard that a Female Human Noble can become Queen by marrying Alistair, so something suddenly occured to me. Sure enough, one Persuasion check later and Anora agrees to make me King-consort.
So, being a somewhat stand-up fellow, I immediately try to break up with Leliana. Except she talks me out of it. I just couldn't do it, so I figure I can just have a mistress on the side. I also let Alistair know that I'm supporting Anora, though there wasn't an option to say why.
Then next time I'm in camp, Leliana breaks up with me
Then we get to the Landsmeet and Alistair wants me to kill Loghain. And I know that he's absolutely right, and that he deserves it. Except I want to be King. And killing the Queen's father didn't strike me as beneficial to that arrangement.
So I betray my romance choice and the person who's been with me the entire time, just so I can be King.
TLDR - I went from being a goody two-shoes to betraying my friends in about 30 minutes, all for a woman.
Oh, and on the resolution of the origin story with Arl Howe:
He died while a summoned Bear had him pinned with Overwhelm. Seeing that was the most satisfying revenge possible.
You just made me realize something regarding Howe:
Dog has had a secret revenge quest this whole time. If you're a human noble, he has every reason to want to tear Howe's out throat as you do! Sounds like I'll be taking him with me during that particular confrontation!
Something else about Howe:
While Logain was a good warrior, a competent general, and at least had a reason (albeit a stupid one) for doing what he did, Howe struck me as a total dumbass and a wuss to boot; his motivations seemed 2-dimensional; the "I'm being a backstabbing asshole for insane power humger" or something.
Every nobility system has a concept of "kanly", to use the Dune term, ways to settle disputes and such blatant, obvious betrayal and violating hospitality so openly like he did would bring universal condemnation from the other nobles.
Sort of like "mob honor"; they leave family alone not because they're nice guys, but so you know that your wife/kids are safe so long as you don't kill anyone elses.
So I beat this yesterday. Random thoughts on the ending sections as a Male Human Noble:
So I'm minding my own business, being BFFs with Alistair and romancing Leliana.
And then I rescue Queen Anora. I had heard that a Female Human Noble can become Queen by marrying Alistair, so something suddenly occured to me. Sure enough, one Persuasion check later and Anora agrees to make me King-consort.
So, being a somewhat stand-up fellow, I immediately try to break up with Leliana. Except she talks me out of it. I just couldn't do it, so I figure I can just have a mistress on the side. I also let Alistair know that I'm supporting Anora, though there wasn't an option to say why.
Then next time I'm in camp, Leliana breaks up with me
Then we get to the Landsmeet and Alistair wants me to kill Loghain. And I know that he's absolutely right, and that he deserves it. Except I want to be King. And killing the Queen's father didn't strike me as beneficial to that arrangement.
So I betray my romance choice and the person who's been with me the entire time, just so I can be King.
TLDR - I went from being a goody two-shoes to betraying my friends in about 30 minutes, all for a woman.
Oh, and on the resolution of the origin story with Arl Howe:
He died while a summoned Bear had him pinned with Overwhelm. Seeing that was the most satisfying revenge possible.
You just made me realize something regarding Howe:
Dog has had a secret revenge quest this whole time. If you're a human noble, he has every reason to want to tear Howe's out throat as you do! Sounds like I'll be taking him with me during that particular confrontation!
Something else about Howe:
While Logain was a good warrior, a competent general, and at least had a reason (albeit a stupid one) for doing what he did, Howe struck me as a total dumbass and a wuss to boot; his motivations seemed 2-dimensional; the "I'm being a backstabbing asshole for insane power humger" or something.
Every nobility system has a concept of "kanly", to use the Dune term, ways to settle disputes and such blatant, obvious betrayal and violating hospitality so openly like he did would bring universal condemnation from the other nobles.
Sort of like "mob honor"; they leave family alone not because they're nice guys, but so you know that your wife/kids are safe so long as you don't kill anyone elses.
I have a feeling that Loghain, in regards to Howe...
Was working with Howe so that he could have a weasel perform dirty work for him, then probably planned to sell him out or bring charges against him later on down the road and deny any prior affiliation with him. He kind of does so at the Landsmeet when you out Howe for imprisoning and torturing the templar when he says that "Howe was a grown man who made his own choices" and leaves it at that.
And that's a pain in the ass when I have 2 dialog options, for some odd reason. Either 'Hi, teach me how to be a templar!' 'No.' and 'Tell me about the Grey Wardens' 'Such as they are' (what the fuck?). I have to rely on gifts to get him to 25, and I don't have many left.
Just got this for Christmas and I was wondering is there anything I should know before I start the game.
1. The DLCs are worth it.
2. The pause button is your friend; play this tactically like Baldur's Gate 2 and don't rely on programmed AI; micromanage your battles. The only success I had with AI was with my dedicated healer.
3. It's got a bit of a learning curve but gets really fun once you get over it.
4. Shield wall on a sword/board dedicated tank is very nice. Highly reccommend you set up one guy like that to draw aggro.
5. Learn to brew mana/health potices; ingredients spoilered below:
Gnawed Noble in Denerim for agents
Mages tower for lyrium dust
Daelish enacmpment for elfroot
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There's one where
Zevran: "Fine, I suppose if you don't want to spread the word of the Maker..."
Leliana: "...well...why do you want to know?"
Zevran: "To make fun of you, of course!"
Leliana: "You are impossible!"
Zevran: "Do you think? Actually, I've been told more than once that I am quite easy."
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Funny, I never witnessed the catfights because I have a hard time sticking with male characters. My male human noble got sidetracked by my city elf female, and my male mage got sidelined when my PS3 went on the fritz.
I think when I get back I might try male human noble again.
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No, it's the same no matter what.
Even if Morrigan pretty much hates you it's the same. Her quest is based on an item you find and not how much she likes you as other party members' are.
They kind of go after each other but it only triggers when you walk through the door but they then turn to fight you, it's lame.
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thanks for acknowledging my coolness.
The question remains though, is fireball/aoe in general this powerful outside of this dungeon? I've been sort of underwhelmed by the skills I've been getting (mostly single target, got full rock, winters grasp, and the crushing prison thing. The theory was, lots of shatter). Using powerful spells on single mobs seems like a waste when I can AOE death them like this, and all the powerful creatures I went against so far (ogre, revenant, etc.) were immune to like all my CC, so welp...
Fireball is pretty useful, at least early on. It loses some of its utility later in the game, though the knockdown is always useful.
The big problem with fireball, especially early in the game when your tanks might not be the best at aggro management, is that fireball is a huge aggro magnet.
She is, which makes her the most entertaining romance option.
Yeah, the fire tree is pretty awesome. Fireball will be just as powerful (sans on fire-immunes :P) and Inferno is a really good damage over time area effect too... Just so long as you can find a way to keep them in it. Since you've got full rock, you can always earthquake to help keep'em down.
Also incredibly minor spoiler
That part of the game is required. You can't skip it.
Which was hilarious to me since apparently my PC has copied Leliana's hairstyle.
I can't tell if the talk only got triggered by that or if it was just the standard camp 'I am finally friendly enough to teach you the bard specialization' talk.
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And then I rescue Queen Anora. I had heard that a Female Human Noble can become Queen by marrying Alistair, so something suddenly occured to me. Sure enough, one Persuasion check later and Anora agrees to make me King-consort.
So, being a somewhat stand-up fellow, I immediately try to break up with Leliana. Except she talks me out of it. I just couldn't do it, so I figure I can just have a mistress on the side. I also let Alistair know that I'm supporting Anora, though there wasn't an option to say why.
Then next time I'm in camp, Leliana breaks up with me
Then we get to the Landsmeet and Alistair wants me to kill Loghain. And I know that he's absolutely right, and that he deserves it. Except I want to be King. And killing the Queen's father didn't strike me as beneficial to that arrangement.
So I betray my romance choice and the person who's been with me the entire time, just so I can be King.
TLDR - I went from being a goody two-shoes to betraying my friends in about 30 minutes, all for a woman.
Oh, and on the resolution of the origin story with Arl Howe:
You just made me realize something regarding Howe:
I think that's been fixed.
Something else about Howe:
Every nobility system has a concept of "kanly", to use the Dune term, ways to settle disputes and such blatant, obvious betrayal and violating hospitality so openly like he did would bring universal condemnation from the other nobles.
Sort of like "mob honor"; they leave family alone not because they're nice guys, but so you know that your wife/kids are safe so long as you don't kill anyone elses.
Margaret Thatcher
Bows are working as intended. Shortbows and longbows both draw damage from strength and from dexterity. Crossbows take their damage from dexterity.
It all works like it's supposed to.
Daggers were broken, but have been fixed.
I have a feeling that Loghain, in regards to Howe...
And that's a pain in the ass when I have 2 dialog options, for some odd reason. Either 'Hi, teach me how to be a templar!' 'No.' and 'Tell me about the Grey Wardens' 'Such as they are' (what the fuck?). I have to rely on gifts to get him to 25, and I don't have many left.
1. The DLCs are worth it.
2. The pause button is your friend; play this tactically like Baldur's Gate 2 and don't rely on programmed AI; micromanage your battles. The only success I had with AI was with my dedicated healer.
3. It's got a bit of a learning curve but gets really fun once you get over it.
4. Shield wall on a sword/board dedicated tank is very nice. Highly reccommend you set up one guy like that to draw aggro.
5. Learn to brew mana/health potices; ingredients spoilered below:
Mages tower for lyrium dust
Daelish enacmpment for elfroot
Margaret Thatcher