Either $/hour is a meaningful metric, or it isn't. You don't go cherry picking measurements arbitrarily.
what are you talking about, that's ridiculous. a long sprawling RPG that you sink many hours to with a good story that you are involved in and make decisions in and hours later see results in is awesome
an 8 hour action game where things are flying past you and there is so much of everything happening all at once all the time and after 8 hours you're glad it's over! can also be awesome
So your argument is that $/hour is not a meaningful metric? That's absolutely fine. It does mean, however, that bitching about the length of a game compared to its price is forbidden to you.
whyyyy do you make duuuumb posts like this on purpose on every forum you visit
money per hour is absolutely a meaningful metric but you don't necessarily need to compare cross genres and still have it be a meaningful
just because YOU don't like Uncharted and it was 60 dollar and 8 hours long doesn't mean it wasn't good value for money, it was just a different kind of value for money than a 60 hour RPG is
in a bioware game i have certain expectations, as do all of us, a fair price, a great story, and a long amount of hours to carry that story forward. in an expansion all those rules apply plus you are basing the price of it against the base game itself
i'm sure return to ostragar is fun but 5 dollars for 1 hour of gameplay is a BAD deal, just like warden's keep is a bad deal at 7 dollars. with awakening priced at 40 bucks (for consoles) i would hope there is more than 15 hours of new content
can somebody spoil what happens if your teammates break you out of jail?
i snuck out myself pretending to be a guard on patrol which i thought was pretty awesome
I had Morrigan and Leliana come in dressed as Chantry sisters.
Hint if you go that route: Never let Morrigan talk.
So your argument is that $/hour is not a meaningful metric? That's absolutely fine. It does mean, however, that bitching about the length of a game compared to its price is forbidden to you.
That is really uh... that is really stupid. Staggeringly so. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Milk and vodka, BTW, are certainly measured in liters, but a liter of milk doesn't cost the same as a liter of vodka. Because they are not the same.
This is so frustrating. I'm using a party of 4 warrior. That is a large part of it but I think the real pain I'm having is due to aggro.
Alistar taunts. If I do ANYTHING with ANY other character they get clusterfucked into oblivion its fucking stupid. I also don't have any potions or any elfroot so every encounter is reload until the enemy misses enough or Orghren finally decides its a good fucking idea to actually attack something without me telling him to.
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So your argument is that $/hour is not a meaningful metric? That's absolutely fine. It does mean, however, that bitching about the length of a game compared to its price is forbidden to you.
That is really uh... that is really stupid. Staggeringly so. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Milk and vodka, BTW, are certainly measured in liters, but a liter of milk doesn't cost the same as a liter of vodka. Because they are not the same.
uhhh fast travel to the dalish camp and load up on Elfroot and Pots? :O I don't see how you can play with 4 warriors and not have at least 99 elf roots in your bags at all times.
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y'know i can't stand arguing with you jdark, you cherry pick your replies, you edit people's messages and ignore things they say and you twist everything so that you're always right even when confronted with things you said that aren't true
but you keep paying the same amount for vodka and milk
I like how I'm the crazy one yesterday who's bugged about DLC prices but now that they actually go and announce the expansion with exactly what I feared more people are up in arms.
It's really a shitty deal. I feel like they're trying to take advantage of fans. 1/4 of the content at 2/3 of the price is just silly. Forty bucks is way too much. 20-25 is what I'd pay for a 15 hour expansion, not 40. The other thing that worries me is that 15 hours is what they're touting it at. RPG developers rarely say less than the actual hourage there. I'm guessing a lot of people will beat it in 8-10 hours. I guess I could be wrong, but that's how it usually happens. Anyone know how long they touted the original to be?
Also, you can't compare it to other games that are short because this already has all the assets and things worked out. There's already a large platform there. With an 8-10 hour game you're buying that much time worth of fully newly developed stuff just for that game. Granted, sometimes companies are cheap and throw in things from previous games, but people usually bitch about this, too.
I was thinking after they announced Return to Ostagar that I'd really love an expansion pack instead of all these little dealies, but wow they didn't do things right. I paid 35 bucks for the full game just a short time ago, and even though admittedly that's a pretty damned good deal I'd just feel really silly paying more for an expansion of that game. That, and it releases in March of all times. I already have FFXIII and God of War III. So I guess I can't complain because I'll be able to wait for a deal or something.
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the DLC prices were always terrible, i can't imagine anyone has ever actually said they were good prices?? (but i haven't been posting in this thread until i beat the game)
So at this point have we all moved to the point where we calmly accept that, while ridiculous, the DLC prices are not going to change, and everyone's just shitting on each other's chest for bitching's sake? Or just to slowly pull actual Dragon Age discussion away and turn it into a "MAN DLC IS OVERPRICED SOMETIMES DAMNIT" thread.
Either way it's dumb. I'm aware everyone's got their panties in a bunch about this expansion pack but this is not the place to try and untwist them.
So your argument is that $/hour is not a meaningful metric? That's absolutely fine. It does mean, however, that bitching about the length of a game compared to its price is forbidden to you.
That is really uh... that is really stupid.
Then please enlighten me on how disregarding the concept of value in $/hour allows one to still make value judgments based on said values.
It's like saying that money is worthless, but $15 is too much to pay for a sandwich.
Milk and vodka, BTW, are certainly measured in liters, but a liter of milk doesn't cost the same as a liter of vodka. Because they are not the same.
I have no idea what you're trying to express here. Two different brands of skim milk might cost different amounts, even if they're basically identical. Five CDs might cost the same as a video game, but they're nothing alike.
here's what you aren't getting jdark, you are implying that Modern Warfare 2 and Dragon Age are both skim milk as opposed to thinking that one is vodka and one is milk which is what a lot of us are thinking
for the same price a shot of vodka is equal to a litre or milk (give or take)
a shot of FPS is definitely equal to a litre of RPG for a lot of people
the DLC prices were always terrible, i can't imagine anyone has ever actually said they were good prices?? (but i haven't been posting in this thread until i beat the game)
Yeah, I was having an argument/discussion with -Loki- who thought it was priced well, and I know Cardboard Tube said he thought the price on The Stone Prisoner, if you didn't get it for free, was good at 15 bucks.
I said that was crazy. 1 character and a couple hours gameplay for 15 bucks when you bought 8-ish characters and 60 hours of gameplay for 60... that's 1/8 (or less) content at 1/4 the price.
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Anyone know how long they touted the original to be?
They were actually surprisingly truthful when talking about the original campaign. They said 60+ hours and most people ended up spending 60-100.
I agree with everything else in your post. :^:
i just don't get that
i spent 43 hours on it and I know i maybe missed 15 hours worth of content but that is pressing it, 60 - 100 in 1 playthrough makes absolutely no sense to me
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the DLC prices were always terrible, i can't imagine anyone has ever actually said they were good prices?? (but i haven't been posting in this thread until i beat the game)
Yeah, I was having an argument/discussion with -Loki- who thought it was priced well, and I know Cardboard Tube said he thought the price on The Stone Prisoner, if you didn't get it for free, was good at 15 bucks.
I said that was crazy. 1 character and a couple hours gameplay for 15 bucks when you bought 8-ish characters and 60 hours of gameplay for 60... that's 1/8 (or less) content at 1/4 the price.
ya 15 is high, i think 10 makes more sense
as a marketing gimmick to fuck over gamestop though is bloody genius
Here's the only question I have about the expansion:
Will it install the dex bug fix and the archery fix along with the new content on consoles?
The dex bugfix would be really nice, and the game will be a lot more challenging/fun with upgraded archers.
did the PC patches not get patched on console????
In the face of getting this thread to an actual fucking Dragon Age discussion.
No it did not, and it's a pain.
I'm having a really hard time deciding where to go now that I have Shale. What's an exciting story area? I've already done the Elf/Werewolf stuff and now I'm thinking dwarves.
All I'm going to say is MW wasn't worth th 65$ I paid for it. Dragon Age was. (Well I only paid 37$ buuuut)
Fuck the Deep Roads. Seriously. I'm thinking of abandoning my current play through and just playing as a goody two shoes mage. It'll be easier and I won't be cursing at everything because I'll always have heals no matter what.
Although I really want this dual wielding Insane Jerk Face Templar run to work I don't think it's going to.
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Here's the only question I have about the expansion:
Will it install the dex bug fix and the archery fix along with the new content on consoles?
The dex bugfix would be really nice, and the game will be a lot more challenging/fun with upgraded archers.
did the PC patches not get patched on console????
In the face of getting this thread to an actual fucking Dragon Age discussion.
No it did not, and it's a pain.
I'm having a really hard time deciding where to go now that I have Shale. What's an exciting story area? I've already done the Elf/Werewolf stuff and now I'm thinking dwarves.
i saved dwarves for last, they are the "hardest" of the 3 treaties
go to mage tower and get wynne, she's awesome
or do some personal quests
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edited January 2010
last off topic post -
if anybody bought MW2 for the single player i feel really really bad for you
as a multiplayer game though it's great value if you like that style of multiplayer
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edited January 2010
Or you could just accept that the main game was a phenomenally good deal by any metric, and that the DLC and Expansion are just "not quite as awesome"
I don't know when people started thinking that paying less than a dollar per gameplay hour for a single playthrough was the norm or anything, but for me it tends to be the exception rather than the rule.
Anyone know how long they touted the original to be?
They were actually surprisingly truthful when talking about the original campaign. They said 60+ hours and most people ended up spending 60-100.
I agree with everything else in your post. :^:
i just don't get that
i spent 43 hours on it and I know i maybe missed 15 hours worth of content but that is pressing it, 60 - 100 in 1 playthrough makes absolutely no sense to me
My first playthrough was 103 hours. Granted, a bit of that was probably when I put the game on pause and went off to surf online. But that's probably still 70-80 hours of actual playing.
A lot of it's doing some mundane stuff like heading back to camp and sorting through the loot, figuring out what to equip everybody with... that sort of stuff.
Here's the only question I have about the expansion:
Will it install the dex bug fix and the archery fix along with the new content on consoles?
The dex bugfix would be really nice, and the game will be a lot more challenging/fun with upgraded archers.
did the PC patches not get patched on console????
In the face of getting this thread to an actual fucking Dragon Age discussion.
No it did not, and it's a pain.
I'm having a really hard time deciding where to go now that I have Shale. What's an exciting story area? I've already done the Elf/Werewolf stuff and now I'm thinking dwarves.
i saved dwarves for last, they are the "hardest" of the 3 treaties
go to mage tower and get wynne, she's awesome
or do some personal quests
Def take Shale to the Dwarfs, at least to the end of it. (you will get a last chance to swap party members) There's a lot of cool insight that makes you feel a lot closer to the character.
If I'm hitting the Mage Tower next, thoughts on who to side with? I didn't play very far as a mage so all I know of the Circle and Templars is what that origin story tells me. I need to know who's gonna have a better "fuck up the archdemon" factor.
Anyone know how long they touted the original to be?
They were actually surprisingly truthful when talking about the original campaign. They said 60+ hours and most people ended up spending 60-100.
I agree with everything else in your post. :^:
i just don't get that
i spent 43 hours on it and I know i maybe missed 15 hours worth of content but that is pressing it, 60 - 100 in 1 playthrough makes absolutely no sense to me
My first playthrough was 103 hours. Granted, a bit of that was probably when I put the game on pause and went off to surf online. But that's probably still 70-80 hours of actual playing.
A lot of it's doing some mundane stuff like heading back to camp and sorting through the loot, figuring out what to equip everybody with... that sort of stuff.
it must have been on pause for a LOOOOOOOOOOOONG time
People should quit using Modern Warfare and games like that in their value comparisons.
Look at how much content the GTA4 DLC added for the price. Look at how much content the Oblivion DLC added for the price. Those are valid comparisons. FPS DLC is not directly comparable to RPG DLC.
If I'm hitting the Mage Tower next, thoughts on who to side with? I didn't play very far as a mage so all I know of the Circle and Templars is what that origin story tells me. I need to know who's gonna have a better "fuck up the archdemon" factor.
It's a tough call
On one hand if you side with the templars you don't get the best healer and kind of only non-player healer in the game. The mages were kinda cool in the last fight but if there is friendly fire I think they can kill you. I don't know how the Templars are in the last fight.
If I'm hitting the Mage Tower next, thoughts on who to side with? I didn't play very far as a mage so all I know of the Circle and Templars is what that origin story tells me. I need to know who's gonna have a better "fuck up the archdemon" factor.
Well, I'll spoil this just in case.
Mages are better for pwning faces in the last battle, because they throw fireballs and such to really destroy everything. Best saved for when you actually fight the Archdemon.
Templars are just melee fighters, which you have plenty of. There's a part of the last battle where you do fight lots of casters though, so they can be useful there.
But in the end I'd generally side with mages unless I were trying for a douchebag run.
Regarding the expansion, what I'm sorta hoping at this point (I don't think it's likely but here's hoping) is that Return to Ostagar is just rolled into Awakenings and is $30 for the PC. I'd snap that right up.
I was going to make a list with links and campaign hours-played averages but you did my work for me, links excluded.
Maybe even a graph.
e: Please, let me know the last good RPG you played that was less than 40 dollars and clocked in at 15 hours. I'd love to know how old it is.
The expansion to oblivion.
The expansions to Fallout 3?
Torchlight was 10$ and I finished up the story part in about 15 hours.
According to this box I'm looking at my dad paid 30$ fort the Baulders Gate 2 expansion.
So, there you go? Although I'm under the idea that a game is a game, and the amount of time you get out of it is the same value even if its not an RPG, so I don't think there is a point for us to argue, since we clearly dont agree.
If I'm hitting the Mage Tower next, thoughts on who to side with? I didn't play very far as a mage so all I know of the Circle and Templars is what that origin story tells me. I need to know who's gonna have a better "fuck up the archdemon" factor.
It's a tough call
On one hand if you side with the templars you don't get the best healer and kind of only non-player healer in the game. The mages were kinda cool in the last fight but if there is friendly fire I think they can kill you. I don't know how the Templars are in the last fight.
Actually, that's not quite true.
If you phrase things correctly you can get the Templars and Wynne.
It's something like "We can't risk allowing any Blood Mages to escape."
I was going to make a list with links and campaign hours-played averages but you did my work for me, links excluded.
Maybe even a graph.
e: Please, let me know the last good RPG you played that was less than 40 dollars and clocked in at 15 hours. I'd love to know how old it is.
The expansion to oblivion.
The expansions to Fallout 3?
Torchlight was 10$ and I finished up the story part in about 15 hours.
According to this box I'm looking at my dad paid 30$ fort the Baulders Gate 2 expansion.
So, there you go? Although I'm under the idea that a game is a game, and the amount of time you get out of it is the same value even if its not an RPG, so I don't think there is a point for us to argue, since we clearly dont agree.
If you phrase things correctly you can get the Templars and Wynne.
It's something like "We can't risk allowing any Blood Mages to escape."
This is correct.
You can save all the mages and be a nice guy, but then when you get back to Greagoir and he's trying to decide what to do with the Circle, you can tell him to shut it down and he will. Then you get to keep Wynne and have the Templars on your side for the last battle.
Still seems kinda like a dick move, but less so than killing the mages or letting them all die to the demons.
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whyyyy do you make duuuumb posts like this on purpose on every forum you visit
money per hour is absolutely a meaningful metric but you don't necessarily need to compare cross genres and still have it be a meaningful
just because YOU don't like Uncharted and it was 60 dollar and 8 hours long doesn't mean it wasn't good value for money, it was just a different kind of value for money than a 60 hour RPG is
in a bioware game i have certain expectations, as do all of us, a fair price, a great story, and a long amount of hours to carry that story forward. in an expansion all those rules apply plus you are basing the price of it against the base game itself
i'm sure return to ostragar is fun but 5 dollars for 1 hour of gameplay is a BAD deal, just like warden's keep is a bad deal at 7 dollars. with awakening priced at 40 bucks (for consoles) i would hope there is more than 15 hours of new content
I had Morrigan and Leliana come in dressed as Chantry sisters.
Hint if you go that route: Never let Morrigan talk.
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That is really uh... that is really stupid. Staggeringly so. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Milk and vodka, BTW, are certainly measured in liters, but a liter of milk doesn't cost the same as a liter of vodka. Because they are not the same.
Alistar taunts. If I do ANYTHING with ANY other character they get clusterfucked into oblivion its fucking stupid. I also don't have any potions or any elfroot so every encounter is reload until the enemy misses enough or Orghren finally decides its a good fucking idea to actually attack something without me telling him to.
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but you keep paying the same amount for vodka and milk
It's really a shitty deal. I feel like they're trying to take advantage of fans. 1/4 of the content at 2/3 of the price is just silly. Forty bucks is way too much. 20-25 is what I'd pay for a 15 hour expansion, not 40. The other thing that worries me is that 15 hours is what they're touting it at. RPG developers rarely say less than the actual hourage there. I'm guessing a lot of people will beat it in 8-10 hours. I guess I could be wrong, but that's how it usually happens. Anyone know how long they touted the original to be?
Also, you can't compare it to other games that are short because this already has all the assets and things worked out. There's already a large platform there. With an 8-10 hour game you're buying that much time worth of fully newly developed stuff just for that game. Granted, sometimes companies are cheap and throw in things from previous games, but people usually bitch about this, too.
I was thinking after they announced Return to Ostagar that I'd really love an expansion pack instead of all these little dealies, but wow they didn't do things right. I paid 35 bucks for the full game just a short time ago, and even though admittedly that's a pretty damned good deal I'd just feel really silly paying more for an expansion of that game. That, and it releases in March of all times. I already have FFXIII and God of War III. So I guess I can't complain because I'll be able to wait for a deal or something.
People bought COD4/MWF2 for the single player? I don't believe it. The game clocks XX-XXX amounts of hours playing multiplayer.
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Either way it's dumb. I'm aware everyone's got their panties in a bunch about this expansion pack but this is not the place to try and untwist them.
here's what you aren't getting jdark, you are implying that Modern Warfare 2 and Dragon Age are both skim milk as opposed to thinking that one is vodka and one is milk which is what a lot of us are thinking
for the same price a shot of vodka is equal to a litre or milk (give or take)
a shot of FPS is definitely equal to a litre of RPG for a lot of people
They were actually surprisingly truthful when talking about the original campaign. They said 60+ hours and most people ended up spending 60-100.
I agree with everything else in your post. :^:
Will it install the dex bug fix and the archery fix along with the new content on consoles?
The dex bugfix would be really nice, and the game will be a lot more challenging/fun with upgraded archers.
did the PC patches not get patched on console????
Yeah, I was having an argument/discussion with -Loki- who thought it was priced well, and I know Cardboard Tube said he thought the price on The Stone Prisoner, if you didn't get it for free, was good at 15 bucks.
I said that was crazy. 1 character and a couple hours gameplay for 15 bucks when you bought 8-ish characters and 60 hours of gameplay for 60... that's 1/8 (or less) content at 1/4 the price.
i just don't get that
i spent 43 hours on it and I know i maybe missed 15 hours worth of content but that is pressing it, 60 - 100 in 1 playthrough makes absolutely no sense to me
ya 15 is high, i think 10 makes more sense
as a marketing gimmick to fuck over gamestop though is bloody genius
In the face of getting this thread to an actual fucking Dragon Age discussion.
No it did not, and it's a pain.
I'm having a really hard time deciding where to go now that I have Shale. What's an exciting story area? I've already done the Elf/Werewolf stuff and now I'm thinking dwarves.
Fuck the Deep Roads. Seriously. I'm thinking of abandoning my current play through and just playing as a goody two shoes mage. It'll be easier and I won't be cursing at everything because I'll always have heals no matter what.
Although I really want this dual wielding Insane Jerk Face Templar run to work I don't think it's going to.
go to mage tower and get wynne, she's awesome
or do some personal quests
if anybody bought MW2 for the single player i feel really really bad for you
as a multiplayer game though it's great value if you like that style of multiplayer
I don't know when people started thinking that paying less than a dollar per gameplay hour for a single playthrough was the norm or anything, but for me it tends to be the exception rather than the rule.
My first playthrough was 103 hours. Granted, a bit of that was probably when I put the game on pause and went off to surf online. But that's probably still 70-80 hours of actual playing.
A lot of it's doing some mundane stuff like heading back to camp and sorting through the loot, figuring out what to equip everybody with... that sort of stuff.
So you know.
Watch out for that.
Def take Shale to the Dwarfs, at least to the end of it. (you will get a last chance to swap party members) There's a lot of cool insight that makes you feel a lot closer to the character.
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If I'm hitting the Mage Tower next, thoughts on who to side with? I didn't play very far as a mage so all I know of the Circle and Templars is what that origin story tells me. I need to know who's gonna have a better "fuck up the archdemon" factor.
Yeah, it would be nice if they stopped working on DLC for just long enough to fix the shit we already have (on consoles).
Look at how much content the GTA4 DLC added for the price. Look at how much content the Oblivion DLC added for the price. Those are valid comparisons. FPS DLC is not directly comparable to RPG DLC.
It's a tough call
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Well, I'll spoil this just in case.
Templars are just melee fighters, which you have plenty of. There's a part of the last battle where you do fight lots of casters though, so they can be useful there.
But in the end I'd generally side with mages unless I were trying for a douchebag run.
Regarding the expansion, what I'm sorta hoping at this point (I don't think it's likely but here's hoping) is that Return to Ostagar is just rolled into Awakenings and is $30 for the PC. I'd snap that right up.
I want a sword and board warrior with the Bard Spec.
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The expansion to oblivion.
The expansions to Fallout 3?
Torchlight was 10$ and I finished up the story part in about 15 hours.
According to this box I'm looking at my dad paid 30$ fort the Baulders Gate 2 expansion.
So, there you go? Although I'm under the idea that a game is a game, and the amount of time you get out of it is the same value even if its not an RPG, so I don't think there is a point for us to argue, since we clearly dont agree.
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Actually, that's not quite true.
It's something like "We can't risk allowing any Blood Mages to escape."
What did I just say?
This is correct.
Still seems kinda like a dick move, but less so than killing the mages or letting them all die to the demons.