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You're not running a night club with a coat check-in. This was a party with a bunch of people throwing their coats on your bed. Their responsibility, not yours.
I don't think there are any charges he can bring to bear. However, to be on this safe side, don't talk to him or her until he's either dropped the idea or you're in court. If he attempts to contact you in the mean time, simply say "given that you've threatened me with legal action, it's inappropriate for us to speak out of court without lawyers present. I'll see you there".
Whilst the chances of him actually winning anything are slim here (they're never none), the last thing you want him to do is try, because it'll be a massive hassle for you.
Because, as we all know, tequila made her clothes come off.
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MetalbourneInside a cluster b personalityRegistered Userregular
edited December 2009
I have this general rule that if a girl's young enough that her father will get worked up over her losing her jacket, then she's too goddamn young to party at my house.
Strangely, the rule becomes more pertinent the greater her biological age.
Don't talk to the guy until he apologizes for how stupid his threats were.
It's not a matter of principal, it's a matter of making sure you don't say anything that could be used against you. It's what I say to the dozen or so people every year who threaten to sue me because I banned their account.
Thanks everyone, that's basically what I thought you guys would say. She is supposed to call me later today, I'm just going to ask what charges her dad thinks he can press against me, tell her it would be a waste of time for him, and let her know I'm still looking for her coat.
Pressing charges isn't the same thing as independent legal action. You can only press charges when given the opportunity to do so by the police. I am fairly certain that the police would have to have approached you in some way if this guy had reported the incident before getting to the point of considering whether you could be charged with anything.
Could he use some tricky bullshit like "Chop logic did not admit/declare pre-party that placing belongings on this bed would not be the responsibility of the party host"?
Thanks everyone, that's basically what I thought you guys would say. She is supposed to call me later today, I'm just going to ask what charges her dad thinks he can press against me, tell her it would be a waste of time for him, and let her know I'm still looking for her coat.
"I'm not going to say anythign about this since he threatend me with legal action" is the best move. Hell, telling her that will get her pissed at her father. Now because of him you've stopped looking.
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If she was drinking at your place, it may very well.
(assuming you are in the US)
There is no way he could prove there was drinking at my place, no photos were taken that night.
Her word and possibly the word of others could make things sticky though. IIf they go to the cops and report there was underage drinking at your party there could be an investigation. I doubt they'll do this because odds are his daughter would get in trouble for underage drinking.
In the future realize it is incredibly stupid to have house parties with people under 21 unless you're willing to get in trouble for providing alcohol to minors which can be a pretty serious charge.
It wasn't a house party, it was just people we knew coming over. Unless that is what you meant. Here a house party means anyone is allowed to come.
But yeah, I know what you mean. Thanks. What I really think happened is that the girl that has Amy's coat just decided it was worth losing the iPod and decided to keep it. It's already Sunday, the party was Friday.
But really, this girl was incredibly stupid. She didn't have her wallet with her, she just had her debit card in one of her coat pockets (!!!) and threw it onto my bed for the entire party. It EASILY could have fallen out of one of the pockets or something. I mean really, who does that.
Just having one person over under 21 and giving them alcohol could get you in trouble, unless "here" isn't the US.
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kaliyamaLeft to find less-moderated foraRegistered Userregular
edited December 2009
"pressing charges" usually refers to asking the state to bring criminal charges. I guess he could come ip with a theory to sue you under but it would really have to be her that brings a lawsuit.
Generally people don't make threats unless they want something out of you. It's worth trying to find out whether the guy wants you to pay for the coat because he thinks you lost it or wants you return it because you have a penchant for womens outerwear.
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Deebaseron my way to work in a suit and a tieAhhhh...come on fucking guyRegistered Userregular
edited December 2009
plug the stray ipod in. Chances are it'll be named "Tara's Ipod" or some shit.
For future reference, if someone gets drunk at something you host in your home, you are legally liable for dumb shit they do while still drunk. They includes, but not limited to crashing their car into something, or getting themselves or others hurt. And if they are underage, criminal charges may follow.
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For future reference, if someone gets drunk at something you host in your home, you are legally liable for dumb shit they do while still drunk. They includes, but not limited to crashing their car into something, or getting themselves or others hurt. And if they are underage, criminal charges may follow.
social host liability varies wildly across state lines to the point where this post is totally unhelpful and misleading. You can find out what the law actually is in your state here. Many states impose no liability whatsoever on social hosts, some only for minors, some impose no criminal liability but some civil liability for damages... basically making a blanket statement like this is patently wrong.
as to the OP, there's no "pressing charges" to be done here. He might try to sue you for the value of the coat, but he would almost certainly lose. If he really used those words, it means he probably hasn't consulted a lawyer about it and has no idea what he would actually sue you about.
Do exactly what Tube said, and keep looking for the jacket. Even if you don't find it, this will go away as soon as he tries to contact an actual attorney.
Deebaseron my way to work in a suit and a tieAhhhh...come on fucking guyRegistered Userregular
edited December 2009
You could send out a facebook message to everyone that attended with a picture of Amy in her jacket with a note saying that someone accidentally took the wrong coat and to please give it back to Amy, seeing as how everyone was at least facebook friends level here.
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Deebaseron my way to work in a suit and a tieAhhhh...come on fucking guyRegistered Userregular
edited December 2009
Yea and pretty much the only way that daddy could "press charges" is to take you to small claims court, which will mean him hopping on a flight out to you.
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You're not running a night club with a coat check-in. This was a party with a bunch of people throwing their coats on your bed. Their responsibility, not yours.
What kind of charges does he think he can bring against you?
any way you slice it though, I can't imagine that you were legallly responsible for anyone's possessions just because they were in your home.
Don't talk to the guy until he apologizes for how stupid his threats were.
Because, as we all know, tequila made her clothes come off.
Can trade TF2 items or whatever else you're interested in. PM me.
Strangely, the rule becomes more pertinent the greater her biological age.
It's not a matter of principal, it's a matter of making sure you don't say anything that could be used against you. It's what I say to the dozen or so people every year who threaten to sue me because I banned their account.
Currently painting: Slowly [flickr]
Thanks everyone, that's basically what I thought you guys would say. She is supposed to call me later today, I'm just going to ask what charges her dad thinks he can press against me, tell her it would be a waste of time for him, and let her know I'm still looking for her coat.
Only way I can rationalize the silliness of suing someone over a coat which you had no liability for.
Or is that just implied?
Id avoid speaking about the first two.
If she was drinking at your place, it may very well.
(assuming you are in the US)
Currently painting: Slowly [flickr]
There is no way he could prove there was drinking at my place, no photos were taken that night.
Her word and possibly the word of others could make things sticky though. IIf they go to the cops and report there was underage drinking at your party there could be an investigation. I doubt they'll do this because odds are his daughter would get in trouble for underage drinking.
In the future realize it is incredibly stupid to have house parties with people under 21 unless you're willing to get in trouble for providing alcohol to minors which can be a pretty serious charge.
But yeah, I know what you mean. Thanks. What I really think happened is that the girl that has Amy's coat just decided it was worth losing the iPod and decided to keep it. It's already Sunday, the party was Friday.
But really, this girl was incredibly stupid. She didn't have her wallet with her, she just had her debit card in one of her coat pockets (!!!) and threw it onto my bed for the entire party. It EASILY could have fallen out of one of the pockets or something. I mean really, who does that.
Generally people don't make threats unless they want something out of you. It's worth trying to find out whether the guy wants you to pay for the coat because he thinks you lost it or wants you return it because you have a penchant for womens outerwear.
I did. It's a purple iPod nano and it's named "purple babby".
It is also filled with the shittiest music you could imagine.
Currently painting: Slowly [flickr]
social host liability varies wildly across state lines to the point where this post is totally unhelpful and misleading. You can find out what the law actually is in your state here. Many states impose no liability whatsoever on social hosts, some only for minors, some impose no criminal liability but some civil liability for damages... basically making a blanket statement like this is patently wrong.
as to the OP, there's no "pressing charges" to be done here. He might try to sue you for the value of the coat, but he would almost certainly lose. If he really used those words, it means he probably hasn't consulted a lawyer about it and has no idea what he would actually sue you about.
Do exactly what Tube said, and keep looking for the jacket. Even if you don't find it, this will go away as soon as he tries to contact an actual attorney.