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I think the most worrying part about that is it's not randomly on their regular IE8 page, instead it's on the "Partner Network" pages. Because if anything's going to help sell your important customers on Microsoft's browser it's 63 year-old country/folk singer with oversized boobs.
All my browser choices are music-based, but I'm conflicted. On one hand, a country music singer is recommending IE8, but on the other a country music song is recommending against it. :? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTTzwJsHpU8
Dolly Parton has extremely large freakishly bloated breasts. I can definitely draw some parallels to IE8.
They're bloated, don't work very well, and have little of the original software in there that made them good originally?
Don't talk about Firefox that way!
Seriously I use Firefox at work and home, but do we really need another thread of people hating on Microsoft for no real reason. If it weren't for a couple extensions that are only in Firefox I'd use IE.
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Dolly Parton has extremely large freakishly bloated breasts. I can definitely draw some parallels to IE8.
They're bloated, don't work very well, and have little of the original software in there that made them good originally?
Don't talk about Firefox that way!
Seriously I use Firefox at work and home, but do we really need another thread of people hating on Microsoft for no real reason. If it weren't for a couple extensions that are only in Firefox I'd use IE.
But you shouldn't, because IE is full of awful security holes and terrible things. Half the time it isn't even up to current web standards. Whereas Firefox, Chrome, or Opera all are, all the time. Or safari on a mac, maybe? I dunno. I know it's bad on Windows not sure on the Mac side.
Dolly Parton has extremely large freakishly bloated breasts. I can definitely draw some parallels to IE8.
They're bloated, don't work very well, and have little of the original software in there that made them good originally?
Don't talk about Firefox that way!
Seriously I use Firefox at work and home, but do we really need another thread of people hating on Microsoft for no real reason. If it weren't for a couple extensions that are only in Firefox I'd use IE.
But you shouldn't, because IE is full of awful security holes and terrible things. Half the time it isn't even up to current web standards. Whereas Firefox, Chrome, or Opera all are, all the time. Or safari on a mac, maybe? I dunno. I know it's bad on Windows not sure on the Mac side.
IE is much more secure than Firefox these days. Firefox really got MS to step up their game. Firefox is now just slow and buggy. Perhaps they just have too many people working on it or the main people don't really care anymore, but it's not what it used to be.
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Secure? Scuse me while I giggle madly. Not a chance. I mean, hell, it's the most widely used browser. Flat out it's targeted more. Not really Microsoft's fault there, but the chances of it being one of the more secure browsers is looooow.
Secure? Scuse me while I giggle madly. Not a chance. I mean, hell, it's the most widely used browser. Flat out it's targeted more. Not really Microsoft's fault there, but the chances of it being one of the more secure browsers is looooow.
Opera is the best browser. Has almost everything you need 10 addons everywhere else, but still runs faster than any other browser with no addons installed.
Secure? Scuse me while I giggle madly. Not a chance. I mean, hell, it's the most widely used browser. Flat out it's targeted more. Not really Microsoft's fault there, but the chances of it being one of the more secure browsers is looooow.
Every other website i find is similar. IE8 has elevated security risks, which, as an employee at a help desk for a university, I see every day. Once we switch people to Firefox or something else, they stop having issues with the majority of their spyware and hijacking. ActiveX is still awful, as is IE8.
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Secure? Scuse me while I giggle madly. Not a chance. I mean, hell, it's the most widely used browser. Flat out it's targeted more. Not really Microsoft's fault there, but the chances of it being one of the more secure browsers is looooow.
Every other website i find is similar. IE8 has elevated security risks, which, as an employee at a help desk for a university, I see every day. Once we switch people to Firefox or something else, they stop having issues with the majority of their spyware and hijacking. ActiveX is still awful, as is IE8.
I'm just pointing out that there is no way IE8 is the most widely used browser. I think it's different enough from IE6 and IE7 to be considered a completely different piece of software.
EDIT: I'm also pretty sure that ActiveX isn't enabled by default on IE8. That article you linked to cites ActiveX as a primary vector in IE, then goes on to criticize the vulnerabilities in previous versions of IE. It's also discussing the IE8 Beta.
I thought Firefox was the most widely used browser now?
Obviously it depends whose statistics you use, though.
EDIT: Actually, never mind, the statistics on Wikipedia are wildly different to those on the W3C site.
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IE (all versions) is still the most widely used browser, with Firefox placing (a rather distant but not insignificant) second.
You know, I wouldn't mind as much, but Microsoft has touted IE8 as their most standards compliant browser yet. A few months ago, I busted up Notepad and built a website that was just pure standards compliant CSS1 and XHTML. Rendered fine in every single browser I cared to try: Firefox, Chrome, Opera, Safari, Konqueror, Midori, whatever. IE8 was the only browser that refused to render the site properly without errors. Granted, I'm far from an expert on web standards compliance or browser compatibility, but it was a disheartening experiment.
Sobering thought: last I read, IE6 still comprises a little less than a quarter of all browsers used.
Secure? Scuse me while I giggle madly. Not a chance. I mean, hell, it's the most widely used browser. Flat out it's targeted more. Not really Microsoft's fault there, but the chances of it being one of the more secure browsers is looooow.
Every other website i find is similar. IE8 has elevated security risks, which, as an employee at a help desk for a university, I see every day. Once we switch people to Firefox or something else, they stop having issues with the majority of their spyware and hijacking. ActiveX is still awful, as is IE8.
I'm just pointing out that there is no way IE8 is the most widely used browser. I think it's different enough from IE6 and IE7 to be considered a completely different piece of software.
EDIT: I'm also pretty sure that ActiveX isn't enabled by default on IE8. That article you linked to cites ActiveX as a primary vector in IE, then goes on to criticize the vulnerabilities in previous versions of IE. It's also discussing the IE8 Beta.
You have to turn on ActiveX to do fricken Windows Update.
You have to turn on ActiveX to do fricken Windows Update.
Wait, what? Windows Update goes through the Control Panel. Pretty sure in Vista, and definitely in 7. And in 7, I haven't had to go to the Microsoft Update site to make sure that Office updates were downloaded through WU, either.
You have to turn on ActiveX to do fricken Windows Update.
Wait, what? Windows Update goes through the Control Panel. Pretty sure in Vista, and definitely in 7. And in 7, I haven't had to go to the Microsoft Update site to make sure that Office updates were downloaded through WU, either.
In XP. Which is what I do believe most people have. Though I could be wrong there.
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You have to turn on ActiveX to do fricken Windows Update.
Wait, what? Windows Update goes through the Control Panel. Pretty sure in Vista, and definitely in 7. And in 7, I haven't had to go to the Microsoft Update site to make sure that Office updates were downloaded through WU, either.
In XP. Which is what I do believe most people have. Though I could be wrong there.
So you turn it on for Windows Update. You still have to turn it on, explicitly, on a per-site basis, for anything else. I believe that's default behavior, unless you specifically modify your 'Zone' settings.
Unless you count CSS3, which you shouldn't because CSS3 isn't finalized.
In fact, I would argue that IE8 actually does SOME CSS things better or at least more sensible than Firefox, namely the handling of floated objects within parent containers.
Is it still a horrible piece of shit from a user perspective? yes.
You have to turn on ActiveX to do fricken Windows Update.
Wait, what? Windows Update goes through the Control Panel. Pretty sure in Vista, and definitely in 7. And in 7, I haven't had to go to the Microsoft Update site to make sure that Office updates were downloaded through WU, either.
In XP. Which is what I do believe most people have. Though I could be wrong there.
So you turn it on for Windows Update. You still have to turn it on, explicitly, on a per-site basis, for anything else. I believe that's default behavior, unless you specifically modify your 'Zone' settings.
Yeah but
You're an English major
You don't know computers
You just want to visit the link your buddy sent you via e-mail
Some prompt pops up and says what you interpret to mean "click yes to view the site or no not to"
So you click what
You click yes. They always click yes.
You cannot blame the user because you designed a system with massive inherent flaws and then relied on all users everywhere to fully educate themselves as to the risks involved in utilizing said system and analyzing each scenario in an effective manner. Nerds do that, but not everyone is a nerd and it's bullshit to throw up your hands and suggest that everyone should just be nerdier.
ActiveX is the problem, not the user. Until they abandon it completely and replace it with something reasonably secure, they cannot claim that they are offering a safe and secure system for the average user.
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CUZ THERE'S SOMETHING IN THE MIDDLE AND IT'S GIVING ME A RASH
I run both IE8 and Firefox on my main machine. I end up using IE8 most of the time though because I just seem to like the UI a little bit more. Oh im sure I can get the same UI through FF with plugins but Im just lazy. Another reason is curiosity. I work at a small IT startup and Ive sort of become the OS recovery and malware removal expert there. Most of what I have to work on is from people who use IE as their main browser. I have a running experiment to see just how bad it can get through normal browsing. So far in 4 years, Ive only had a couple of main issues pop up. Only 1 took any kind of advanced tool to clear out. My belief is that most people (present company excluded) have unsafe browsing habits and stuff like this will still be around till people get wise to whats out there. Microsoft could still do a lot more to lock their browser down, disassociate it more from Windows, and to give inexperienced users better training wheels without constant popups and distractions.
I still use FF for any online shopping or banking and for any guests.
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I think the most worrying part about that is it's not randomly on their regular IE8 page, instead it's on the "Partner Network" pages. Because if anything's going to help sell your important customers on Microsoft's browser it's 63 year-old country/folk singer with oversized boobs.
WTF Microsoft? o_O
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They're bloated, don't work very well, and have little of the original software in there that made them good originally?
Don't talk about Firefox that way!
Seriously I use Firefox at work and home, but do we really need another thread of people hating on Microsoft for no real reason. If it weren't for a couple extensions that are only in Firefox I'd use IE.
"Read twice, post once. It's almost like 'measure twice, cut once' only with reading." - MetaverseNomad
But you shouldn't, because IE is full of awful security holes and terrible things. Half the time it isn't even up to current web standards. Whereas Firefox, Chrome, or Opera all are, all the time. Or safari on a mac, maybe? I dunno. I know it's bad on Windows not sure on the Mac side.
IE is much more secure than Firefox these days. Firefox really got MS to step up their game. Firefox is now just slow and buggy. Perhaps they just have too many people working on it or the main people don't really care anymore, but it's not what it used to be.
"Read twice, post once. It's almost like 'measure twice, cut once' only with reading." - MetaverseNomad
Secure? Scuse me while I giggle madly. Not a chance. I mean, hell, it's the most widely used browser. Flat out it's targeted more. Not really Microsoft's fault there, but the chances of it being one of the more secure browsers is looooow.
Also neither of them can pass Acid3
IE6 and IE7 =/= IE8
Every other website i find is similar. IE8 has elevated security risks, which, as an employee at a help desk for a university, I see every day. Once we switch people to Firefox or something else, they stop having issues with the majority of their spyware and hijacking. ActiveX is still awful, as is IE8.
I'm just pointing out that there is no way IE8 is the most widely used browser. I think it's different enough from IE6 and IE7 to be considered a completely different piece of software.
EDIT: I'm also pretty sure that ActiveX isn't enabled by default on IE8. That article you linked to cites ActiveX as a primary vector in IE, then goes on to criticize the vulnerabilities in previous versions of IE. It's also discussing the IE8 Beta.
Obviously it depends whose statistics you use, though.
EDIT: Actually, never mind, the statistics on Wikipedia are wildly different to those on the W3C site.
You know, I wouldn't mind as much, but Microsoft has touted IE8 as their most standards compliant browser yet. A few months ago, I busted up Notepad and built a website that was just pure standards compliant CSS1 and XHTML. Rendered fine in every single browser I cared to try: Firefox, Chrome, Opera, Safari, Konqueror, Midori, whatever. IE8 was the only browser that refused to render the site properly without errors. Granted, I'm far from an expert on web standards compliance or browser compatibility, but it was a disheartening experiment.
Sobering thought: last I read, IE6 still comprises a little less than a quarter of all browsers used.
You have to turn on ActiveX to do fricken Windows Update.
In XP. Which is what I do believe most people have. Though I could be wrong there.
So you turn it on for Windows Update. You still have to turn it on, explicitly, on a per-site basis, for anything else. I believe that's default behavior, unless you specifically modify your 'Zone' settings.
Unless you count CSS3, which you shouldn't because CSS3 isn't finalized.
In fact, I would argue that IE8 actually does SOME CSS things better or at least more sensible than Firefox, namely the handling of floated objects within parent containers.
Is it still a horrible piece of shit from a user perspective? yes.
we also talk about other random shit and clown upon each other
Yeah but
You're an English major
You don't know computers
You just want to visit the link your buddy sent you via e-mail
Some prompt pops up and says what you interpret to mean "click yes to view the site or no not to"
So you click what
You click yes. They always click yes.
You cannot blame the user because you designed a system with massive inherent flaws and then relied on all users everywhere to fully educate themselves as to the risks involved in utilizing said system and analyzing each scenario in an effective manner. Nerds do that, but not everyone is a nerd and it's bullshit to throw up your hands and suggest that everyone should just be nerdier.
ActiveX is the problem, not the user. Until they abandon it completely and replace it with something reasonably secure, they cannot claim that they are offering a safe and secure system for the average user.
CUZ THERE'S SOMETHING IN THE MIDDLE AND IT'S GIVING ME A RASH
That's more what I was getting at.
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As an aside, Dolly Parton has the best quote
"It took a lot of money to make me look this cheap."
we also talk about other random shit and clown upon each other
Great danes, great lakes, great depression, great boobs
I still use FF for any online shopping or banking and for any guests.