Man I played some amazing player matches with a random Sim user last night. He was really good.
This one ultra setup he kept nailing me with involved me being knocked down, and he would ultra and then iat teleport to the other side of me at just the right time. I had no idea how to block that, and he got me with it every time.
I tried to EX roll once, but the crossup caused me to ex wheel kick .
So I was wondering if anyone had anything on that setup and how to block, or should I just continue trying to get a hit invincible reversal out?
To block those ultra setups, you have to figure out what is going to hit you first.. Sim's ultra, or Sim himself. Then you block it from the side it is coming from.. say he does his ultra on the right then does a cross up teleport to the left. He doesn't do anything while he's in the air, so you hold left to block the ultra coming from the right. Then you can change back to normal guarding, so hold right (away from Sim) and watch what he is doing so you can block high/low properly. If he teleports then does a move right away, you have to block that move first and then you will autoblock the ultra
The one thing you have to watch for is the high/low mixups a good Sim player will do to get his ultra to land.. especially if he has a super handy too.
You can do EX roll to get out, or EX wheel kick. Wheel kick even if it lands runs out of fireball invincibility before Sim's ultra goes away but sometimes the trade is all you need.
Selectable Ultras and new costumes kinda got brushed under the rug here.
Hopefully both Ultras will have a usefulness that isn't overshadowed by the other, but favorites are bound to happen. Tiered ultras?! It happened in SF3, so I'm assuming Capcom learned from their mistakes and can get them better balanced this time around.
Well the problem here is like, when you really think about it, for any given match up there really is just going to be one best ultra. There's really no two ways about it. Now, this could be a good thing and give some characters some much needed versatility (an anti-projectile ultra to a character is low tier for getting stuffed by projectiles for example). So, at best you'll have two ultras and pick one based on the match-up, at worst one will be clearly better than the other and everyone will pick that one all the time.
Any system with variable options always ends up with one "best", look at SF3. Or look at A3. Except for a few examples, there was always a best option and it didn't really change at all.
This game is also way to dependent on ultras anyways. At least in other games you had one meter to manage so it was a choice between EX attacks, alpha counters, or saving for super. Here you can just chuck your super meter at what you want and wait for the ultra.
Not always.. as Fei Long or Dhalsim I really, really, really want to have a super handy.
Ryu's the only character in the game where his EX moves kick ass, and his super also kicks ass. actually, I'd say his super is OP. I'm usually pretty torn about how to spend my meter as him
Looks like zangief gets an air ultra. I can't wait to see people combo into that off of a traded lariat... yay. Fuerte gets a grab which could be crazy good with his run/stop shenanigans.
Dhalsim ultra looks like a grab too from the air on grounded guys?
Not sure what to make of Ken ultra. I like that it's more horizontal so you might have some different punishment options (against cannon spike/blanka balls maybe?) but not sure what to make of it.
(EDIT) I can't even tell what el fuerte is doing in the last frame of his ultra. Pause the video and look at it, it just looks baffling. I guess he's hitting gief in the face with his ass?
Looks like zangief gets an air ultra. I can't wait to see people combo into that off of a traded lariat... yay. Fuerte gets a grab which could be crazy good with his run/stop shenanigans.
Dhalsim ultra looks like a grab too from the air on grounded guys?
Not sure what to make of Ken ultra. I like that it's more horizontal so you might have some different punishment options (against cannon spike/blanka balls maybe?) but not sure what to make of it.
(EDIT) I can't even tell what el fuerte is doing in the last frame of his ultra. Pause the video and look at it, it just looks baffling. I guess he's hitting gief in the face with his ass?
hooooooly shit fei long's ultra is fucking ammmaaziinngggg!
I dunno, I think Mecha Zangief looks pretty silly...actually I think the only alternate costume I really liked was Balrog's.
I really liked Ken's and Fei's new ultras though. Dhalsim's was weird, he's like...attacking with his butt? Ryu's shin shoryuken looked really good too, much better than Gouken's. I like how the background fades out.
I dunno, I think Mecha Zangief looks pretty silly...actually I think the only alternate costume I really liked was Balrog's.
I really liked Ken's and Fei's new ultras though. Dhalsim's was weird, he's like...attacking with his butt? Ryu's shin shoryuken looked really good too, much better than Gouken's. I like how the background fades out.
But still! SUPER HYPED!!!
Dhalsim was chain head butting.
Funny how we have totally different views on the costume because I though Balrog's was the worst. I think I like Mecha Zangiefs BECAUSE it is silly though.
I dunno, I think Mecha Zangief looks pretty silly...actually I think the only alternate costume I really liked was Balrog's.
I really liked Ken's and Fei's new ultras though. Dhalsim's was weird, he's like...attacking with his butt? Ryu's shin shoryuken looked really good too, much better than Gouken's. I like how the background fades out.
But still! SUPER HYPED!!!
Dhalsim was chain head butting.
Funny how we have totally different views on the costume because I though Balrog's was the worst. I think I like Mecha Zangiefs BECAUSE it is silly though.
LOL, I totally wasn't watching that close enough. I thought he was hanging on with his feet or something...watching it again I'm embarrassed
Also, watching it again I kind of like Cammy's Bison-suit. I like the idea of having Mecha-Zangief but I'm not crazy about the old-school Godzilla-esque robot look they went with.
I love Fei's concept and style and all of his animations but I am just SO TERRIBLE with him. And yes that ultra is tits. I liked Cammy's Bison costume as it hints more at the link the two share. And I thought Balrog's alternate costume looked pretty awesome. It suits his character.
So I have a question though - it says "Choose between 2 distinct Ultra Combos..." does this mean we'll select one or the other before a battle, but not have access to both? That's at least how I read it.
I dunno, I think Mecha Zangief looks pretty silly...actually I think the only alternate costume I really liked was Balrog's.
I really liked Ken's and Fei's new ultras though. Dhalsim's was weird, he's like...attacking with his butt? Ryu's shin shoryuken looked really good too, much better than Gouken's. I like how the background fades out.
But still! SUPER HYPED!!!
Dhalsim was chain head butting.
Funny how we have totally different views on the costume because I though Balrog's was the worst. I think I like Mecha Zangiefs BECAUSE it is silly though.
I like Mecha Zangief, because it's a huge nod to the vs. Series. Even though I never really got into them, Having Gief suddenly turn metal spit fire and take no stun from moves (while no longer being able to block) was awesome. hit me sure, I'm still gonna SPD you through the hit.
I love Fei's concept and style and all of his animations but I am just SO TERRIBLE with him. And yes that ultra is tits. I liked Cammy's Bison costume as it hints more at the link the two share. And I thought Balrog's alternate costume looked pretty awesome. It suits his character.
So I have a question though - it says "Choose between 2 distinct Ultra Combos..." does this mean we'll select one or the other before a battle, but not have access to both? That's at least how I read it.
yes, one or the other. Having two ultras available at one time is a terrible, terrible idea unless they are like Gen's in that one of them is basically worthless
I'm kinda digging Rufus and his Chinese vampire get up. Although he really shouldn't be able to move if he has the charm tacked to his head. :P
And Zangief anti-air ultra is
Kinda wish they gave Cammy some pants/leggings or something for the Bison alt (or even her current alt). She just looks absurd wearing shoulder pads and no pants!
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There's still a question mark for random select. But it seems like the "shadowed" characters have been filled. Too bad it's too small to even try to guess who's in the circles.
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All those Ultras look amazing! I'm just not sure how Dhalsims will be useful. Is it you have to be in the air to use it? I was kinda hoping he would get an Ultra he could combo into somehow, but w.e w.e
Dan's jungle getup is great as well! I'm stoked for this shit!
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To block those ultra setups, you have to figure out what is going to hit you first.. Sim's ultra, or Sim himself. Then you block it from the side it is coming from.. say he does his ultra on the right then does a cross up teleport to the left. He doesn't do anything while he's in the air, so you hold left to block the ultra coming from the right. Then you can change back to normal guarding, so hold right (away from Sim) and watch what he is doing so you can block high/low properly. If he teleports then does a move right away, you have to block that move first and then you will autoblock the ultra
The one thing you have to watch for is the high/low mixups a good Sim player will do to get his ultra to land.. especially if he has a super handy too.
You can do EX roll to get out, or EX wheel kick. Wheel kick even if it lands runs out of fireball invincibility before Sim's ultra goes away but sometimes the trade is all you need.
Any system with variable options always ends up with one "best", look at SF3. Or look at A3. Except for a few examples, there was always a best option and it didn't really change at all.
This game is also way to dependent on ultras anyways. At least in other games you had one meter to manage so it was a choice between EX attacks, alpha counters, or saving for super. Here you can just chuck your super meter at what you want and wait for the ultra.
Ryu's the only character in the game where his EX moves kick ass, and his super also kicks ass. actually, I'd say his super is OP. I'm usually pretty torn about how to spend my meter as him
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Mecha Zangief = Awesome
Looks like zangief gets an air ultra. I can't wait to see people combo into that off of a traded lariat... yay. Fuerte gets a grab which could be crazy good with his run/stop shenanigans.
Dhalsim ultra looks like a grab too from the air on grounded guys?
Not sure what to make of Ken ultra. I like that it's more horizontal so you might have some different punishment options (against cannon spike/blanka balls maybe?) but not sure what to make of it.
(EDIT) I can't even tell what el fuerte is doing in the last frame of his ultra. Pause the video and look at it, it just looks baffling. I guess he's hitting gief in the face with his ass?
Fuck, now I can't decide if I want to learn Gief just so one day I can be Mecha Gief and keep the skies of Russia safe.
That video is fucking awesome. I can't wait until I get to play this game regardless of how long the delay of the PC version will be.
I have to sub Fei now.
I really liked Ken's and Fei's new ultras though. Dhalsim's was weird, he's like...attacking with his butt? Ryu's shin shoryuken looked really good too, much better than Gouken's. I like how the background fades out.
But still! SUPER HYPED!!!
Dhalsim was chain head butting.
Funny how we have totally different views on the costume because I though Balrog's was the worst. I think I like Mecha Zangiefs BECAUSE it is silly though.
LOL, I totally wasn't watching that close enough. I thought he was hanging on with his feet or something...watching it again I'm embarrassed
Also, watching it again I kind of like Cammy's Bison-suit. I like the idea of having Mecha-Zangief but I'm not crazy about the old-school Godzilla-esque robot look they went with.
So I have a question though - it says "Choose between 2 distinct Ultra Combos..." does this mean we'll select one or the other before a battle, but not have access to both? That's at least how I read it.
I like Mecha Zangief, because it's a huge nod to the vs. Series. Even though I never really got into them, Having Gief suddenly turn metal spit fire and take no stun from moves (while no longer being able to block) was awesome. hit me sure, I'm still gonna SPD you through the hit.
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Ermm...uh...
My eyes!
Edit: Now that you've thrown the idea out there I'm sure some twisted bastard is working on a rule 34 of it.
oh my good god damn.
Hahaha who was asking for the Fei Long one inch punch a few pages ago?
SO HYPED
SO HYPED
One Inch Punch isn't a grab like I wanted, but still, IT IS IN BABY.
Everything in that video is made of WIN.
yes, one or the other. Having two ultras available at one time is a terrible, terrible idea unless they are like Gen's in that one of them is basically worthless
5hrs til I can see how sweet it all is.
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And Zangief anti-air ultra is
Kinda wish they gave Cammy some pants/leggings or something for the Bison alt (or even her current alt). She just looks absurd wearing shoulder pads and no pants!
That bulge
....So....Strong....
You saw it too!
@Passenger it's been a while, up for a few games?
Work firewalls etc but I really hope it is comboable off of his hcb+k grab!
I'll probably be around at 6PM EST, but I haven't played since probably before christmas so don't expect anything great. :P
Dan's jungle getup is great as well! I'm stoked for this shit!
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ZANGIEF GOOO!!!!
Edit: Haha! Cammy looks as thrilled about Zangief's Russian bulge as you guys seem to be.