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Prison Rape?
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I'm starting this off in H/A becuase there's probably a simple answer, but it might need to get moved over to D&D later...
So, people always are talking about how common prison rape is, and I'm just looking for sources backing this up. I have a friend who was in prison for several years, and in his experience rape was extremely rare. Basically, there were simply cameras everywhere, so there weren't any spots to hide and attack people. That, and, there were gay people, so if you wanted to have sex with a dude, there were volunteers.
So if my anecdotal datum doesn't match up with the common wisdom, I must turn to statistics! Was my friends experience just his luck, being in well-managed prisons with progressive populations? Was he just not hearing about what was happening, as he was generally keeping his head down? (He literally spent most of his free time playing D&D and drawing
) If it helps, it was in the seattle area (so perhaps more accepting of gays there), and in his tenue he stayed in both the barracks style group rooms as well as in the 2 man cells.
So, people always are talking about how common prison rape is, and I'm just looking for sources backing this up. I have a friend who was in prison for several years, and in his experience rape was extremely rare. Basically, there were simply cameras everywhere, so there weren't any spots to hide and attack people. That, and, there were gay people, so if you wanted to have sex with a dude, there were volunteers.
So if my anecdotal datum doesn't match up with the common wisdom, I must turn to statistics! Was my friends experience just his luck, being in well-managed prisons with progressive populations? Was he just not hearing about what was happening, as he was generally keeping his head down? (He literally spent most of his free time playing D&D and drawing
) If it helps, it was in the seattle area (so perhaps more accepting of gays there), and in his tenue he stayed in both the barracks style group rooms as well as in the 2 man cells. life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
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http://www.spr.org/en/fact_sheets.aspx
And basically every documentary on prisons in america (north or whatever), afrika or russia have retarded amounts of rape in them. Its sensationalized sure, but it exists at a much higher rate than you'd think. Also rape is an under reported crime.
Also different types of jail etc.
Seriously though, it's probably historical. Modern prisons are likely not bastions of violation whereas historically there were probably more incidents in the past systems and institutions. I'd imagine if you want to find sources, you probably just need to look for either major incidents in the past, or landmark legal cases involving a violation that led to increased crackdown. That's where I'd start if I was writing a paper.
From Canada_jezus's link
Hmm, I take issue with that 20% number, which is from this paper.[warning pdf] They surveyed "1800 men and women in a Midwestern prison system", so it's a great study of that prison system, but JDI doesn't mention that and just says "20 percent of inmates in men’s prisons", which is kind of scummy.
However, 20% anywhere is rediculous and unacceptable. I guess it really does depend on the place.
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bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
I think a lot of it has to do with owning the victom. It is completely damaging and humiliating them, and it's a dominance thing.
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I have doubts on that. Do you have any statistics to back it up?
It seems like an extension of the death penalty debates, wherein many people seem to frown upon "if you kill/rape/X we will have you put to death" having an arguable effect on murder/rape/X rates. If death isn't a deterrant from comitting horrible crimes, why would sexual violation be any different?
Well, aside from the trauma and having to live with the event and whatnot, I'm not trying to downplay rape, just saying that it seems hard to believe that one deterrant would be viewed so negatively or as questionably effective, and then suggesting that another potential outcome of incarceration would be more effective than the more severe alternative.
It might, however, put you in a situation where Bob can make you his little girl toy.
I did not run over any statistics about it, no. But I mean, really? Can you think of a time when a warden has come out and loudly proclaimed that in fact, you'll practically enjoy your time in prison? Because that would be counter productive.
And what do we actually expect?
Criminals certainly aren't people.
Eddy's statement concerning dominance and control is spot on.
Guy I talked to said that basically, rape wasn't much of a thing unless you were put away for some sex-related crime (any kind of rape, sex with an underage chick, molestation, etc.). In those cases, it was pretty much guaranteed. If you didn't admit to what you did, it was assumed to be a sex crime.
Maybe I am looking at the wrong portion of this, but I would think a 4.5% of the course of a year be a low and rare number. Not only that but do we really know what they consider sexual abuse, so is really 20% of the course of their complete incarceration (which can be 1yr - 20yrs) have at some point been sexually assaulted really that far out of whack. I mean they are certainly higher then RL but then again your confined with thousands of people that can't conform to societal norms in the first place.
So yeah, it probably happens more than that 4.5.
Also, I love that it's a survey by the BJS
If by "higher than real life" you mean "over 100 times higher," then you are correct. 0.3 rapes occur per 1000 people annually in the United States (cite).
And I'd argue that in a situation where near-perfect surveillance is possible, the rape rate should be lower inside the prison than outside it.
But that would require that we stop throwing non-violent drug offenders in prison and ditch the societal notion that they deserve it because they are in prison.
I keep half typing up a rant about this, then realize this is not the D&D forums and stop myself.
While the theoretical number would be lower due to surveillance, you can't ignore the fact that the ratio of potential rapists to populace is considerably higher, and that their inhibitions as to the penalties are downplayed ("what are they gonna do, put me in jail?")
Except they were only counting 'attack and hold a guy down' as rape. If a guy, say, made a strong implication about something or other to another, and later on guy 2 happened to be sucking guy 1's dick, well, that was totally voluntary and in no way rape!