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Court Question! (LAAAAAW)

Seaborn111Seaborn111 Registered User regular
edited January 2010 in Help / Advice Forum
So, moderately long story for a simple question

My Friend, we'll call her "B", is going through a custody case against "J" to get full custody of their son. Plenty of reasons why he needs to sign his rights away, but that's not relevant to the question.
"B" had a court date today with "J" to get the proceedings started, "J" was offered to sign his rights away and have no charges pressed (he's about $3500 behind on child support, hasn't paid the mortgage for 3 months of which he was required by divorce decree, lied to and evaded a process server, etc). He of course said "i'm not fucking signing it".

The judge asked him why he's not represented by a lawyer, he claims he is unemployed and cannot afford one.

Natch.

Judge says he needs to get on unemployment, says he should be prepared for jail time, appoints him a public defender and reschedules for a week later so his counsel can catch up.

HERE'S THE CATCH

he's perfectly fucking employed. Currently works security, we have an affidavit from a fellow employee. Our best guess is he's paid under the table, since it's security at a restaraunt/bar place that's kinda seedy. He is also active Army Reserve post deployment, which nets him a decent check.


TL;DR: "J" claims he's unemployed to delay a case and get a public defender, we have evidence otherwise. Is this perjury? Contempt of court? Will "B"s lawyer be able to fuck "J" with the long, cold shaft of the law?

sorry to ask but her lawyer won't be back in the office until monday and she's beside herself after finding out he's actually employed.

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  • ScalfinScalfin __BANNED USERS regular
    edited January 2010
    Because this thread is about legal matters, could I post my own question?

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  • Seaborn111Seaborn111 Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    ...i'll allow it.

    unless you get more responses than me, then i will pretend to have never said OK and hate you forever.

    proceed.

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  • XaquinXaquin Right behind you!Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    If your lawyer/the court knows about his employment, odds are he will be in even more trouble for lying. Make sure they know.

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  • ScalfinScalfin __BANNED USERS regular
    edited January 2010
    Playing unemployed will have its own penalties, as nobody wants to give a kid to a hobo.


    My question is how the protections granted to those who have severe allergies by the Americans with Disabilities Act compare to those granted to the blind and their dogs. Can a person with severe enough allergy make a person leave his guide dog outside?

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  • TejsTejs Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Disclaimer: IANAL

    Scalfin has a point that being represented by a public attorney will reflect negatively on his case. It just sounds like "B" wants to exact a little more revenge on "J" for his discretions - I'd inform her lawyer (with evidence) when the time comes because it would demonstrate some of "J"s character and may potentially lead to increased penalties, but delaying the trial for a week is a minor delay (imo). I'd just recommend she calm down and be collected when she informs the lawyer.

    As for Scalfin's question, I would think you would not be able to force someone to keep the guide dog outside legally. ADA vs ADA, you're looking at a negative right VS a positive right. The government has granted person B the ability to use a guide dog, whereas you are asking for person B to be barred from entering a space because of that right. In those types of situations, usually the positive right (Person B's) wins.

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  • TalondelTalondel Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    There's something about this story that doesn't make sense.

    There's no such thing as a public defender (PD) for a custody hearing. If you can't afford an attorney you represent yourself. So either this wasn't a custody hearing, or the judge wasn't appointing a PD. Was this a contempt of court hearing for violating the court order relating to custody? If that's the case, then it's possible the judge would appoint a PD to deal with the contempt charge. However, the PD wont be able to say anything about the underlying custody dispute, the representation would be limited only to the criminal charge.

    Alternately (and more likely) the judge stayed the hearing and told him to go get an attorney, and referred him to some type of community legal service where he can attempt to get an attorney at a discounted rate. If he lied to the judge about being unemployed, then let your attorney know and he or she can decide what if anything to do about it.

    @Scaflin - Would need more detail. What kind of building (government, something open to the public, something private)? Why is the blind person there? (work, education, customer, guest)? Why are you there?

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  • ScalfinScalfin __BANNED USERS regular
    edited January 2010
    Talondel wrote: »
    There's something about this story that doesn't make sense.

    There's no such thing as a public defender (PD) for a custody hearing. If you can't afford an attorney you represent yourself. So either this wasn't a custody hearing, or the judge wasn't appointing a PD. Was this a contempt of court hearing for violating the court order relating to custody? If that's the case, then it's possible the judge would appoint a PD to deal with the contempt charge. However, the PD wont be able to say anything about the underlying custody dispute, the representation would be limited only to the criminal charge.

    Alternately (and more likely) the judge stayed the hearing and told him to go get an attorney, and referred him to some type of community legal service where he can attempt to get an attorney at a discounted rate. If he lied to the judge about being unemployed, then let your attorney know and he or she can decide what if anything to do about it.

    @Scaflin - Would need more detail. What kind of building (government, something open to the public, something private)? Why is the blind person there? (work, education, customer, guest)? Why are you there?

    This is more curiosity. My girlfriend's dad is mostly blind and has a guide dog, and one restaurant didn't like it (manager was out, waitress wasn't great with English) because they were worried about allergies, and it occurred to me that it was both strange that nothing limited ones right to a guide god to hypoallergenic breeds and mixes and that really bad allergies are probably also protected by the ADA (research confirms that both asthma and allergies are considered disabilities).

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  • -Phil--Phil- Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    IANAL

    If you have a signed affidavit from his coworker I would gave that to you attorney asap to notify the judge in the next hearing. JUDGES DO NOT LIKE BEING LIED TO.

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  • Seaborn111Seaborn111 Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Custody case was a misnomer, custody was determined at the divorce. This case was due to his failure to pay child support, failure to keep the child insured, failure to pay his part of the mortgage and finally, avoiding the process server, lying to the process server and threatening the process server.

    The reason i said custody case is because the offer given him was sign away rights and we'll leave you to the courts instead of pushing.

    And apparently he truly is being appointed a lawyer.

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  • DarkewolfeDarkewolfe Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Seaborn111 wrote: »
    Custody case was a misnomer, custody was determined at the divorce. This case was due to his failure to pay child support, failure to keep the child insured, failure to pay his part of the mortgage and finally, avoiding the process server, lying to the process server and threatening the process server.

    The reason i said custody case is because the offer given him was sign away rights and we'll leave you to the courts instead of pushing.

    And apparently he truly is being appointed a lawyer.

    This sounds like one of those cases where the former spouse is doing everything humanly possible to drag a court case out, in order to harm the other party. My aunt's divorce was similar. The husband is so angry/whatever that they are going to make the case incur as much cost and inconvenience to the wife as possible, without even caring how much it also harms the husband.

    Provide the documents to the lawyer, as everyone said, but understand that a fault with the court system (which is also one of its greatest strengths) basically allows him to really drag this out, which will drive up her fees and time spent.

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  • MicheleRMicheleR Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Wow, my first day in the forums and already something I can help with! I'm a back up Judge's secretary for the family court and I can tell you, Seaborn, that the Judge is not going to particularily care that he/she was lied to. They get lied to in every single case - it's the nature of the job. The issue of there actually being an income is what is important, not that lying took place. Trust me, if B goes in there complaining about the lying Judge is going to tune her out. And I wholeheartedly agree with Talondel about being appointed an attorney - that only happens if someone's liberty is at stake.

    Anyway, B needs to keep ALL emotion out of it and stick with the facts. Yeah, the guy is a schlub and I'm sure Judge will see that very easily, but that's not against the law so any examples of pure schlubbery will be met again, most likely, with boredom from the bench. B's attorney should focus the arguments on resolving the matter to the greatest benefit for the minor child.

    I completely understand how badly she wants or even needs to hear Judge tell J he's an idiot, but that's just not going to happen. Judge's goal is to try to get J back into compliance, so that's where the energy will be. "Okay, apparently J is working after all - I want the payments you've missed made up within six months, failure to do so will result in a bech warrant" is going to be the outcome. It's nowhere near as fun as the things she might be fantasizing about, I know, but she really shouldn't expect more than, at most, a "and this court doesn't appreciate your not being forthcoming about your employment status". Boo, I know. Sorry!

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