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College Football: the old subtitle is really old!

ElkiElki get busyModerator, ClubPA mod
edited October 2010 in Debate and/or Discourse
We must acknowledge the team to the south:

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And now let's forget about them.


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Duke with the lead, and I'm sure they're the first team to take the lead with a pellet gun related crime.


Now to the Kiffin song. autotune it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSX6CdwEjAA

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    enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Man, Cutcliffe really is changing the culture at Duke.

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    devCharlesdevCharles Gainesville, FLRegistered User regular
    edited January 2010
    So Florida is 3 recruits away from hitting the SEC boundary of 28. I'm pretty sure we're keeping 2 spots open for Seantrel Henderson and Jordan Hicks. The only visit that will be closer to signing day than ours is Miami, and I think we probably still have a good shot over them. Jordan Hicks has it down to Texas, Ohio State, and us. We lost a bunch of guys from the linebacker position this last season and we'll be losing a few from the O-line this season, so both of those guys could fill some near immediate needs.

    I'm thinking this year will be like a less bad version of the 2007 team. We'll probably drop one to Bama at Bama during the season, and will probably get upset by somebody during the year due to defensive inexperience.

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    enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    You lost more than twice in 2007, and Brantley was not the uber recruit the Messiah was, was he?

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    jjbuck05jjbuck05 Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Yeah, I have a hard time seeing 2010 being a better year for Florida than 2007.

    Their defense is basically in the same position and the offense is without the The Chosen One, Percy Harvin, or Aaron Hernandez.

    That being said, the SEC won't be nearly as good in 2010 as it was in 2007, and Florida will once again play a weakass OOC schedule. Bama will probably be a loss, but Georgia won't be anything special, and LSU still hasn't had a season under Les Miles when they've played to their talent level (plus that game is in the swamp).

    This team won't be as good as the 2007 team, but their record probably won't reflect that. If Meyer really does come back I see 8 wins as a worst-case scenario.

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    JihadJesusJihadJesus Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Here's to a bowl game in 2010! Please!

    At least recruiting is going well, although I'm worried Oregon will pull Keanon Lowe away at the last minute and he looks like he might be the homerun threat our offense has been pretty much completely missing.

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    ElkiElki get busy Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited January 2010
    I want to say the SEC's "championship" streak should probably be due to be over in 2010.

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    enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Alabama's the favorite and after that...

    I've got nobody except Boise, to be honest.

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    BobbleBobble Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Educate me on the Fulmer Cup? Off-field incidents?

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    enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Bobble wrote: »
    Educate me on the Fulmer Cup? Off-field incidents?

    It's a thing run by the blog www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com every offseason for the last few years. It keeps track of offseason arrests by players on a team (thus the Fulmer Cup name, as he was lax in discipline).

    Players earn points for each charge they accrue.

    You get:
    1 point for lame misdemeanors (think minor in possession of alcohol, driving violations)
    2 points for misdemeanors of a more serious nature (petty theft, for example, non-felony drug charges)
    3 points for each felony charge
    4 points for exceedingly violent felonies and rape (and bestiality)
    5 points for murder (yet to be awarded)

    There are also bonus points for spectacular efforts and things which amuse Orson Swindle for outlandishness (pistol whipping people in a crowded parking lot I think earned bonus points)

    There are again extra points for repeat offenders, on a rapidly increasingly scale.

    Finally, there is the Ellis T Jones III Award for Outstanding Individual Achievement. If all of a teams' points are accrued by the Ellis T Jones III Award winner, they are not eligible for the Fulmer Cup itself.

    Oh, and incidents that occurred during football season don't count, as this is to keep us entertained without being obsessed with the decision making of 17 and 18 year old kids. So Michigan State has not clinched the Fulmer Cup with what would have been something like a 40 point performance in one incident. I believe Alabama holds the all time scoring record behind the stellar work of Jimmy Johns. And they had like 35 points.

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    BobbleBobble Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    That is strangely fascinating. Interesting.

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    GyralGyral Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    I'm gonna drive over to campus and tell them they're behind on points to Duke. DUKE. They should have 18 points by the time the weekend is out.

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    devCharlesdevCharles Gainesville, FLRegistered User regular
    edited January 2010
    You lost more than twice in 2007, and Brantley was not the uber recruit the Messiah was, was he?

    Yes, but Florida lost the entire starting defense except for one player with most of those players being freshmen or sophomores. On offense, Tebow was really good, but that offense was also one that was nearly entirely rebuilt from the year before. Also, Tebow's running ability was, in my opinion, commonly relied on too heavily which hurt us in a few situations this last year.

    Florida is more of a running team now, and we're returning most of our offensive line (one of which was a true freshmen last year) and our two main running backs (since Rainey has been moved to the slot.) Our receivers this last season were all underclassmen, so they'll have a year worth of development. We also aren't getting totally reamed in the secondary like we did after the 2006 season. We're losing Joe Haden and Major Wright, but we're keeping Ahmad Black, Janoris Jenkins, and Will Hill. Also, there is a lot of depth at those positions and Charlie Strong kept our defense rotating pretty well the last couple years. The biggest problem with 2007 was our secondary. We couldn't stop the pass to save our lives. We also have two guys returning on the D-line that got major playing time this last year with Trattou and Howard. The question mark will be at the defensive end position. The linebackers are a big question as well, but we are bringing in the linebacker coach from the Dolphins, so I'm hoping that'll mean we won't be hapless there.

    Also, looking at the schedule, I don't really see us being underdogs to anyone but Bama (even losing 9 defensive starters.) We get LSU at home, which is pretty good. The SEC east is in much worse shape than the west. We'll probably get upset by somebody as well (at FSU or Georgia,) but we have way more depth than we had in 2007, and the offense remains mostly intact.

    That being said, we could lose a bowl game which would make it a three loss season. That would be one better than the 2007 season in terms of just regular season play.

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    ProsperoProspero Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Hmmm, Texas really has dropped off in recruiting since they got that rush of 5 and 4 star recruits. I mean, shit, losing a top recruit to A&M? Unacceptable.

    /sour grapes

    Also, what the hell does it take to get recruits to come play at Iowa? A verbal endorsement by Jesus H. Christ himself? THEY WON THE ORANGE BOWL (handily, with no-names). That should really be a sign to any promising talent that they can come here, develop into a stud and get a starting spot, and then be guaranteed a spotlight. We really need a better recruiter, because apparently Kirk Ferentz (while being a great coach) is really too passive to attract talent.

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    mrt144mrt144 King of the Numbernames Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Prospero wrote: »
    Hmmm, Texas really has dropped off in recruiting since they got that rush of 5 and 4 star recruits. I mean, shit, losing a top recruit to A&M? Unacceptable.

    /sour grapes

    Also, what the hell does it take to get recruits to come play at Iowa? A verbal endorsement by Jesus H. Christ himself? THEY WON THE ORANGE BOWL (handily, with no-names). That should really be a sign to any promising talent that they can come here, develop into a stud and get a starting spot, and then be guaranteed a spotlight. We really need a better recruiter, because apparently Kirk Ferentz (while being a great coach) is really too passive to attract talent.

    Mack Brown is good enough a coach to make a competitive team out of a slightly less than optimal recruiting class.

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    devCharlesdevCharles Gainesville, FLRegistered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Losing top talent to a team with a lower record will always happen purely from the desire for immediate playing time to move to the NFL as quickly as possible. To some degree, I think this is why we've seen some of the talent equalize out around the country.

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    enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Prospero wrote: »
    Hmmm, Texas really has dropped off in recruiting since they got that rush of 5 and 4 star recruits. I mean, shit, losing a top recruit to A&M? Unacceptable.

    /sour grapes

    Also, what the hell does it take to get recruits to come play at Iowa? A verbal endorsement by Jesus H. Christ himself? THEY WON THE ORANGE BOWL (handily, with no-names). That should really be a sign to any promising talent that they can come here, develop into a stud and get a starting spot, and then be guaranteed a spotlight. We really need a better recruiter, because apparently Kirk Ferentz (while being a great coach) is really too passive to attract talent.

    It's Iowa City! Outside the town itself, which is nice enough from my 6 or 7 hours there in 2003, there is corn, truck stops, porn bookstores, and sadness.

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    TanolenTanolen Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Man, Alabama is going to be the preseason number 1. They are so terrible when they are ranked 1st. Also I don't see bama going undefeated 3 years in a row to get back to the NC.

    Anyways, I think tOSU has the best chance of going all the way next year.

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    devCharlesdevCharles Gainesville, FLRegistered User regular
    edited January 2010
    I would love a boise state vs tOSU national champ game. I would throw a parade for that game.

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    BubbaTBubbaT Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    You lost more than twice in 2007, and Brantley was not the uber recruit the Messiah was, was he?

    Actually, Brantley was Gatorade 2006 HS Player of the Year and broke Tebow's state record for passing TDs. He should end up a better passer than Tebow.

    Florida's short-yardage run game could be in trouble though.

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    TanolenTanolen Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Florida needs to grab a power back.

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    devCharlesdevCharles Gainesville, FLRegistered User regular
    edited January 2010
    We have Mike Gillislee and Emmanuel Moody returning who will probably have to be put in the short yardage situation. They have a good amount more power than Jeff Demps who is our speed guy. Gillislee especially is a very solid back in the snaps he got this season. Moody will probably need to up his weight a bit, but he's a pretty good downfield runner.

    We're bringing in this guy named Mack Brown who is supposed to be a great all purpose back though.

    I don't know if we'll ever find someone who will be able to do what Tebow did though. I think we'll just have to settle for not always getting short yardage nearly automatically. Like I said before though, the heavy reliance on Tebow to always do it didn't always sit well with me. It might force whoever is calling the plays next year to mix it up a bit more.

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    ProsperoProspero Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Prospero wrote: »
    Hmmm, Texas really has dropped off in recruiting since they got that rush of 5 and 4 star recruits. I mean, shit, losing a top recruit to A&M? Unacceptable.

    /sour grapes

    Also, what the hell does it take to get recruits to come play at Iowa? A verbal endorsement by Jesus H. Christ himself? THEY WON THE ORANGE BOWL (handily, with no-names). That should really be a sign to any promising talent that they can come here, develop into a stud and get a starting spot, and then be guaranteed a spotlight. We really need a better recruiter, because apparently Kirk Ferentz (while being a great coach) is really too passive to attract talent.

    It's Iowa City! Outside the town itself, which is nice enough from my 6 or 7 hours there in 2003, there is corn, truck stops, porn bookstores, and sadness.

    I agree, Iowa is a dirtheap. The only towns worth anything are Iowa City in the East, Sioux City in the North, and Des Moines in the middle (and perhaps Council Bluffs out west). But hell, Iowa City is only a couple, three hours from Chicago. That alone should be enough to draw some of those 4-star Illinois recruits, especially since half of them are committing to Illinois, a program that has rarely been better than Iowa, even. I just get the vibe that Ferentz is incredibly passive with his recruiting. We rarely even get the top recruits out of Iowa itself.

    Bah, good thing Texas is my other team. They will never disappoint me.

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    ElkiElki get busy Moderator, ClubPA mod
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    BubbaTBubbaT Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Stuff like this makes Baby Tebow cry.

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    OSUJumpManOSUJumpMan Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    if having a video of Tim "Jesus" Tebow circumsizing little boys constitutes child porn, well . . .

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    mrt144mrt144 King of the Numbernames Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    OSUJumpMan wrote: »
    if having a video of Tim "Jesus" Tebow circumsizing little boys constitutes child porn, well . . .

    What does a gentile know about circumcision?

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    OSUJumpManOSUJumpMan Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    lots as long as it involves Filipino boys apparently

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    TallaclasseeTallaclassee you ever seen a lion limber up before it takes down a gazelleRegistered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Prospero wrote: »
    Hmmm, Texas really has dropped off in recruiting since they got that rush of 5 and 4 star recruits. I mean, shit, losing a top recruit to A&M? Unacceptable.

    /sour grapes

    Also, what the hell does it take to get recruits to come play at Iowa? A verbal endorsement by Jesus H. Christ himself? THEY WON THE ORANGE BOWL (handily, with no-names). That should really be a sign to any promising talent that they can come here, develop into a stud and get a starting spot, and then be guaranteed a spotlight. We really need a better recruiter, because apparently Kirk Ferentz (while being a great coach) is really too passive to attract talent.

    Mack Brown is very... particular about recruiting.

    Because they're Texas and they're located in Texas, they get a rash of about ~17-20 4 star kids that will commit reflexively at their Junior day. This has swollen Brown's head past a point where he's willing to actually partake in the recruiting game through signing day that most 5 stars engage.

    The result is Texas never catapulting themselves to that truly elite class.

    This will change under Will Muschamp. He's there with Jimbo Fisher as Nick Saban's two prodigal coaching sons. He will recruit like them. Expect the same junior day lock up, but after that Texas will orient themselves with an SEC killing edge and begin to wrack in all those 5 stars that want to get paid and want the attention.

    This is why Muschamp has turned down no less than 3 SEC head coaching gigs to stay at Texas. He knows that with the right attitude, that is truly the best job in the country no questions asked. Whereas the Big 3 in Florida can never really distance themselves from one another - thus diluting that state's prodigious level of talent - Texas on the other hand can truly dominate its state.

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    devCharlesdevCharles Gainesville, FLRegistered User regular
    edited January 2010
    By that same logic USC is the best job in the country no questions asked.

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    GyralGyral Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Well, ECU replaced Skip Holtz's departure with Ruffin McNeill, formerly of Texas Tech as interim coach and defensive coordinator.

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    ProsperoProspero Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    devCharles wrote: »
    By that same logic USC is the best job in the country no questions asked.

    Well, USC really does dominate California in terms of recruiting. So it definitely is up there. The only problem is [now] the baggage that comes with it.

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    mrt144mrt144 King of the Numbernames Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Prospero wrote: »
    devCharles wrote: »
    By that same logic USC is the best job in the country no questions asked.

    Well, USC really does dominate California in terms of recruiting.

    How can there be two best jobs in the country no questions asked?

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    ProsperoProspero Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    mrt144 wrote: »
    Prospero wrote: »
    devCharles wrote: »
    By that same logic USC is the best job in the country no questions asked.

    Well, USC really does dominate California in terms of recruiting.

    How can there be two best jobs in the country no questions asked?

    There cannot. But in terms of "best-ness", a scale I completely made up for this post, Texas AND Southern Cal would be two of the best jobs (no questions asked) in the country for recruiting, due to the fact that those two universities absolutely dominate their states. And then throw in the fact that California and Texas regularly produce some of the best football players the country over.

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    JihadJesusJihadJesus Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    mrt144 wrote: »
    Prospero wrote: »
    devCharles wrote: »
    By that same logic USC is the best job in the country no questions asked.

    Well, USC really does dominate California in terms of recruiting.

    How can there be two best jobs in the country no questions asked?

    Eh, if you put them in tiers based on recruiting base vs. competition USC and Texas probably ARE alone on top right now. As far as I can tell that's mostly because their main competition (UCLA & A&M) have been godawful lately and run by bad coaches and recruiters, but that seems to be changing slightly.

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    Penguin_OtakuPenguin_Otaku Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    I don't see USC as being the best job in the country, I don't get why it gets promoted as such. Average conference and pretty good tradition? From what I've heard their facilities aren' the greatest and as someone said... baggage.

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    JihadJesusJihadJesus Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    'Average conference and pretty good tradition'? That's rich.

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    Penguin_OtakuPenguin_Otaku Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    You can't tell me that the Pac 10 is prestigious.

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    enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Yeah, in terms of tradition, USC is above everyone that's not... Texas, Alabama, Michigan, Notre Dame, Ohio State, and Oklahoma. And frankly, they're on par with most of those schools.

    USC is (when not scandalized) one of the best jobs in the nation. Recruiting wise, Texas probably has a slightly cushier position because Texas (the state) sends almost all of their great athletes into football so makes a ton of great players. But it's close. Especially with all the cash USC coaches can hand out. :P

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    Penguin_OtakuPenguin_Otaku Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Well I agree it's on par with the elites, don't get me wrong... but "best job"?

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    JihadJesusJihadJesus Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Well, that's because the 'best job' is pretty damn subjective. And if the Pac-10 isn't presigious (WTF does that even mean?) you'd have to say neither are the Big East, ACC, or Big 10. So we're basically back to the "I'm from the southeast/midwest and have a superiority thing going' BS that pisses all over college football as a whole and help perpetuate the lack of a real playoff.

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