So I installed Bring Down the Sky and now my copy of Mass Effect does not work.
Awesome.
Is the game itself not working? Or is it broken savegame compatibility?
If so, this may stop me from getting Pinnacle Station. I don't want to screw up my FemShep Infiltrator.
I'm on PC, and the game itself isn't working. BDtS installed successfully, but now everytime I run the game Vista immediately throws "This program has stopped working" at me.
The Steam and Bioware forums have a lot of people with similar problems, and very few solutions.
So I just finished up the mission on the Moon with my Renegade Adept Shep.
I don't know if it's the renegade choices, or playing as an Adept and feeling like I'm made of paper, but I'm not enjoying it at all.
Now I have to choose... Do I power through it, potentially getting burnt out, but at least I'll have a renegade adept I can transfer to ME2? Or do I play Assassins Creed 2 until next Tuesday? It just came in the mail from Goozex.
Not to mention the Moon mission is brutal on Adepts...Drones are immune to biotics outside of warp.
Also, are you using your squadies more? Adepts take a while to 'gear up' but once you get past the Secondary unlocks (which you just did) you get the better options. Pick up Singularity and spank people for fun and profit.
I'd take Wrex or Ashley along for the ride and let them go commando while you do the lockdown thing.
At some point I will choose the more neutral answer, or I will choose the Paragon answer, even if I am mostly renegade and vice versa.
It is the best way to play I think
There's no REASON to play 100% renegade or paragon. That's like playing Baldur's Gate by also choosing the third dialog option in any conversation.
And yet people seem to think they have to.
I can recognise that they may think that, in theory, they need to have a high score in one or the other so they can pull off the harder influence choices.
But in reality it's super flexible.
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Not to mention the Moon mission is brutal on Adepts...Drones are immune to biotics outside of warp.
Also, are you using your squadies more? Adepts take a while to 'gear up' but once you get past the Secondary unlocks (which you just did) you get the better options. Pick up Singularity and spank people for fun and profit.
I'd take Wrex or Ashley along for the ride and let them go commando while you do the lockdown thing.
Having good anti-tech is nice on the Lunar mission. Tali would be my pick.
Having good anti-tech is nice on the Lunar mission. Tali would be my pick.
True. Or Garrus or Kaiden (sp?) They all give you options. But Wrex and Ashley can just dish the pain Shotgun style. My Infiltrator did all the tech my 1st play through, so I used Wrex and Liara to hammer people with Biotics as I did overloads and sabotage.
I have to give credit for Udina looking pretty badass at the end of my Renegade Shep run. He pulled off the only other instance that I recall of clenched-fist-in-front-of-face (The other being Conrad. His just looked silly with his evil smirk )
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how many points are there in intimidate? is it less than other skills maxed out?
I want the fun thing to happen at the end, but I can't remember whether i need to go full renegade or not, to get full intimidate.
Except for what? 2 occasions you only need 7-10 or so to do the majority of the charm/intimidates. I think there are a few tougher nuts at specific locations. If you do all the renegade options up to that point on all the worlds and optional worlds and put points in as it allows you, you should be fine.
how many points are there in intimidate? is it less than other skills maxed out?
I want the fun thing to happen at the end, but I can't remember whether i need to go full renegade or not, to get full intimidate.
There are 12 points in every talent.
You don't need to be full in either alignment bar to max out one of the social skills, but you need to be close. But the fact of the matter is that you don't need to always pick any alignment's dialogue options and you can still easily max out one or the other.
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You don't need to be full in either alignment bar to max out one of the social skills, but you need to be close. But the fact of the matter is that you don't need to always pick any alignment's dialogue options and you can still easily max out one or the other.
Isn't there exactly 1 time in the game where you need the full skill? But it's optional and doesn't impact the story much.
Yeah, talking down the Exogeni guy on Feros requires a full bar. But I've never had a playthrough where I didn't shoot him in his asshole face, even if I was able to talk him down.
You don't need to be full in either alignment bar to max out one of the social skills, but you need to be close. But the fact of the matter is that you don't need to always pick any alignment's dialogue options and you can still easily max out one or the other.
Isn't there exactly 1 time in the game where you need the full skill? But it's optional and doesn't impact the story much.
I'm assuming the following situations need the full charm/intimidate:
Convincing Saren to off himself during the final showdown on the Citadel.
Convincing the lead ExoGeni creep on Feros.
The only other situation I can think of that might, but probably doesn't, is:
Convincing Wrex to chill the fuck out on Virmire, especially if you never bothered to fetch his family armor
Has part 3 of the Sci vs. Fi doc been posted here, yet? Probably some spoilers so I'll refrain from linking but there's an example of a moment in the first game showing up in the 2nd.
Not to mention the Moon mission is brutal on Adepts...Drones are immune to biotics outside of warp.
I know my first playthrough I had to pull a lot of enemies into the corridor and fight them 1-2 at a time.
That's exactly what I had to do on the moon mission.
I haven't put as much into Barrier as I should have. At the beginning I was throwing everything I could into singularity.
That will change from now on.
As for going 100% renegade, I just can't do it. I'm going to get some Paragon points here and there. I've been pretty surprised with some of the choices though. I went with the major renegade choices in BDtS, and while they seemed over the top dickish at first, and the explanation for those choices actually made a lot of sense when Shep explained herself in the next scene.
shooting the exogeni guy on my paragon playthrough and was extremely disappointed when i found out that actual intimidate options where just me making a vague threat and the other person backing down yet the obvious renegade choice of shooting the bastard was done without putting any points in the renegade intimidate skill
Also I really liked anderson until this playthrough with my
renegade/let council die and saying he should be in charge led to him instantly giving a speech copy and pasted from any dictators playbook. I'm sad to say at this point that I might have preferred Udina in charge. He's the evil I know at least
shooting the exogeni guy on my paragon playthrough and was extremely disappointed when i found out that actual intimidate options where just me making a vague threat and the other person backing down yet the obvious renegade choice of shooting the bastard was done without putting any points in the renegade intimidate skill
Well...
shooting someone in the face isn't exactly intimidation. It's murder.
Also I really liked anderson until this playthrough with my
renegade/let council die and saying he should be in charge led to him instantly giving a speech copy and pasted from any dictators playbook. I'm sad to say at this point that I might have preferred Udina in charge. He's the evil I know at least
I think Udina gives the exact same speech if you choose him.
Also I really liked anderson until this playthrough with my
renegade/let council die and saying he should be in charge led to him instantly giving a speech copy and pasted from any dictators playbook. I'm sad to say at this point that I might have preferred Udina in charge. He's the evil I know at least
I think Udina gives the exact same speech if you choose him.
ahh damn... Oh well, we'll see how it plays out in the next game
As for going 100% renegade, I just can't do it. I'm going to get some Paragon points here and there. I've been pretty surprised with some of the choices though. I went with the major renegade choices in BDtS, and while they seemed over the top dickish at first, and the explanation for those choices actually made a lot of sense when Shep explained herself in the next scene.
You can get a whole bunch of Renegade points just by playing as a tough, rulebreaking space cop that's a sex machine to all the chicks (Shep!) and not going for any of the truly, truly outrageous dick moves or genocidal racism.
Apparently threatening to shoot people in the kneecaps if they don't tell you what you want to know gains you more than a few Renegade points.
Also I really liked anderson until this playthrough with my
renegade/let council die and saying he should be in charge led to him instantly giving a speech copy and pasted from any dictators playbook. I'm sad to say at this point that I might have preferred Udina in charge. He's the evil I know at least
I think Udina gives the exact same speech if you choose him.
I figured it was something like that. I hated it because Anderson agreed with me reinstating the council, and Udina's all "blurgh blurgh you're RUTHLESS, so we have to be RUTHLESS blurgh". And then Shepard's all "Right. You're not chairman. Anderson! I choose you!" And then Anderson goes "Udina's RIGHT! ALL HUMAN COUNCIL!" And then I was all o_O
You don't need to be full in either alignment bar to max out one of the social skills, but you need to be close. But the fact of the matter is that you don't need to always pick any alignment's dialogue options and you can still easily max out one or the other.
Isn't there exactly 1 time in the game where you need the full skill? But it's optional and doesn't impact the story much.
I'm assuming the following situations need the full charm/intimidate:
Convincing Saren to off himself during the final showdown on the Citadel.
Convincing the lead ExoGeni creep on Feros.
The only other situation I can think of that might, but probably doesn't, is:
Convincing Wrex to chill the fuck out on Virmire, especially if you never bothered to fetch his family armor
Actually:
Saren only requires full charm/intimidate if you didn't use charm/intimidate on him on Virmire. If you did you only need 10 points to charm/intimidate him on the citadel.
ExoGeni creep requires 9 charm/11 intimidate.
And Wrex requires a feeble 8, so you can get all the major charm/intimidate options without maxing the skill.
As for going 100% renegade, I just can't do it. I'm going to get some Paragon points here and there. I've been pretty surprised with some of the choices though. I went with the major renegade choices in BDtS, and while they seemed over the top dickish at first, and the explanation for those choices actually made a lot of sense when Shep explained herself in the next scene.
You can get a whole bunch of Renegade points just by playing as a tough, rulebreaking space cop that's a sex machine to all the chicks (Shep!) and not going for any of the truly, truly outrageous dick moves or genocidal racism.
Apparently threatening to shoot people in the kneecaps if they don't tell you what you want to know gains you more than a few Renegade points.
Even my renegade playthough was the full gauge of renegade and like half full of paragon and the opposite was my paragon run. That was just playing the game naturally and not trying to hit the red dialogue option every time. The game wouldn't be as fun if you made your shep one dimensional
Ugh, is it possible to get from 38 to 60 in one go?
Should I bother finishing off my Adept and starting a new Vanguard with singularity, and getting him to 60?
That's tough. Its hard to go from 50-60 in one go. It took me 2 full playthroughs doing absolutely everything to hit 60, although I did manage 60 about halfway through Ilos so there's some room for error.
Ugh, is it possible to get from 38 to 60 in one go?
Should I bother finishing off my Adept and starting a new Vanguard with singularity, and getting him to 60?
That's tough. Its hard to go from 50-60 in one go. It took me 2 full playthroughs doing absolutely everything to hit 60, although I did manage 60 about halfway through Ilos so there's some room for error.
I went from 37 to 58 this last playthrough so it looks like you'd need at least the start of another to hit 60
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PC, Xbox, PS3?
I'm on PC, so broken savegame compatibility wouldn't surprise me in the slightest. Especially considering some of the ports... quirks.
I'm on PC, and the game itself isn't working. BDtS installed successfully, but now everytime I run the game Vista immediately throws "This program has stopped working" at me.
The Steam and Bioware forums have a lot of people with similar problems, and very few solutions.
I don't know if it's the renegade choices, or playing as an Adept and feeling like I'm made of paper, but I'm not enjoying it at all.
Now I have to choose... Do I power through it, potentially getting burnt out, but at least I'll have a renegade adept I can transfer to ME2? Or do I play Assassins Creed 2 until next Tuesday? It just came in the mail from Goozex.
At some point I will choose the more neutral answer, or I will choose the Paragon answer, even if I am mostly renegade and vice versa.
It is the best way to play I think
Let me put it this way. With Barrier maxed out, you shouldn't feel like paper.
I know my first playthrough I had to pull a lot of enemies into the corridor and fight them 1-2 at a time.
Also, are you using your squadies more? Adepts take a while to 'gear up' but once you get past the Secondary unlocks (which you just did) you get the better options. Pick up Singularity and spank people for fun and profit.
I'd take Wrex or Ashley along for the ride and let them go commando while you do the lockdown thing.
There's no REASON to play 100% renegade or paragon. That's like playing Baldur's Gate by also choosing the third dialog option in any conversation.
And yet people seem to think they have to.
About to do my last run and I'd rather just do it on casual since I already have all the achievements.
I can recognise that they may think that, in theory, they need to have a high score in one or the other so they can pull off the harder influence choices.
But in reality it's super flexible.
Having good anti-tech is nice on the Lunar mission. Tali would be my pick.
True. Or Garrus or Kaiden (sp?) They all give you options. But Wrex and Ashley can just dish the pain Shotgun style. My Infiltrator did all the tech my 1st play through, so I used Wrex and Liara to hammer people with Biotics as I did overloads and sabotage.
I want the fun thing to happen at the end, but I can't remember whether i need to go full renegade or not, to get full intimidate.
Except for what? 2 occasions you only need 7-10 or so to do the majority of the charm/intimidates. I think there are a few tougher nuts at specific locations. If you do all the renegade options up to that point on all the worlds and optional worlds and put points in as it allows you, you should be fine.
There are 12 points in every talent.
You don't need to be full in either alignment bar to max out one of the social skills, but you need to be close. But the fact of the matter is that you don't need to always pick any alignment's dialogue options and you can still easily max out one or the other.
Isn't there exactly 1 time in the game where you need the full skill? But it's optional and doesn't impact the story much.
I'm assuming the following situations need the full charm/intimidate:
Convincing the lead ExoGeni creep on Feros.
The only other situation I can think of that might, but probably doesn't, is:
That's exactly what I had to do on the moon mission.
I haven't put as much into Barrier as I should have. At the beginning I was throwing everything I could into singularity.
That will change from now on.
As for going 100% renegade, I just can't do it. I'm going to get some Paragon points here and there. I've been pretty surprised with some of the choices though. I went with the major renegade choices in BDtS, and while they seemed over the top dickish at first, and the explanation for those choices actually made a lot of sense when Shep explained herself in the next scene.
Also I really liked anderson until this playthrough with my
Well...
It was the moment I fell hopelessly in love with Mass Effect.
"Too many people died for you just to walk away from this."
ahh damn... Oh well, we'll see how it plays out in the next game
You can get a whole bunch of Renegade points just by playing as a tough, rulebreaking space cop that's a sex machine to all the chicks (Shep!) and not going for any of the truly, truly outrageous dick moves or genocidal racism.
Apparently threatening to shoot people in the kneecaps if they don't tell you what you want to know gains you more than a few Renegade points.
Actually:
ExoGeni creep requires 9 charm/11 intimidate.
And Wrex requires a feeble 8, so you can get all the major charm/intimidate options without maxing the skill.
Even my renegade playthough was the full gauge of renegade and like half full of paragon and the opposite was my paragon run. That was just playing the game naturally and not trying to hit the red dialogue option every time. The game wouldn't be as fun if you made your shep one dimensional
Should I bother finishing off my Adept and starting a new Vanguard with singularity, and getting him to 60?
Cock though. I didn't want a full renegade runthrough, but I want that one bit where it's useful.
and here I was thinking it was just a cool name
That's tough. Its hard to go from 50-60 in one go. It took me 2 full playthroughs doing absolutely everything to hit 60, although I did manage 60 about halfway through Ilos so there's some room for error.
I went from 37 to 58 this last playthrough so it looks like you'd need at least the start of another to hit 60