Pre Fight Debate Thread: Brackets 23 & 24

Doctor Doom

Bracket 23



Doom.

Powers: genius level intellect, the ability to exchange consciousness with another humanoid, expert of magic and sorcery, armor which gives superhuman strength and durability, and flight

VS.



Mystique

Powers: shapeshifting, immunity to disease and poisons, can heal surface tissue damage, ageless, skilled in hand to hand combat, use of firearms, and master strategist.

environment: the streets of Latveria. neither combatant may enter Doomstadt.

Bracket 24



Nimrod

Powers: dumb name, none more pink, superhuman strength, durability, energy blasts, can interface with computers, teleportation

Vs.



Mysterio

Powers: Awesome helmet, master of special effects and illusions, advanced technology, skilled hand to hand combatant

Equipment: 10 robotic decoys, holographic projector, electromagnetic disruption beam, 10 proximity mines

Environment: The Great Wall Of China

Regina Fong

This bracket sucks.

Kuribo's Shoe

look they can't all be winners

Servo

this is like two rounds of old yeller versus a 30-06 slug

Regina Fong

Servo wrote:

this is like two rounds of old yeller versus a 30-06 slug

Fiaryn

I think we all know what's going to happen. Here's a hint, the first choice for both. Alright, glad that's done with.

Munkus Beaver

I'm going to play devil's advocate and root for both underdogs.

Mai-Kero

Mysterio is immortal and can control robots thanks to extremis

Doom and Mysterio advance.

Bloods End

Let's now explain how Mystique can beat a vastly more powerful foe by doing nothing at all.

DarkPrimus

It's set in Latvaria.

Doom simply orders all citizens to assume the fetal position and wait for DNA testing. Doom goes around and scans people and kills everyone with an X gene, or Mystique tries to attack Doom with a weapon that simply isn't powerful enough to get through his armor, and he WTFpwns her.

Fencingsax

Bloods End wrote:

Let's now explain how Mystique can beat a vastly more powerful foe by doing nothing at all.

Oh, you.

Bloods End

Fencingsax wrote:

Bloods End wrote:

Let's now explain how Mystique can beat a vastly more powerful foe by doing nothing at all.

Oh, you.

ELECTRO SHOULD NOT HAVE LOST

I HATE ALL OF YOU

DasUberEdward

Is Doom still dealing with that weird Oedipus complex?

Caveman Paws

I really like Mystique (and not just because of the hawt nekkid actress that played her in the movies who's name eludes me at the moment), but Doom has this one in the bag. The bag is manufactured and sold in Latveria and is in some other clever way tied to Latveria. Yeah, that's right.

I sense a great disturbance in the Force as a result of this next match. Nimrod should -technically- win. However (or "but" if you like) Mysterio is just so dang cool, add the nostalgia factor and I can't not vote for the guy.

robosagogo

Nimrod doesn't kill humans and couldn't be convinced to break protocol for the purposes of a tournament?

NinjaSquirrel

robosagogo wrote:

Nimrod doesn't kill humans and couldn't be convinced to break protocol for the purposes of a tournament?

So then he wouldn't have beat Zoom?

DarkPrimus

NinjaSquirrel wrote:

robosagogo wrote:

Nimrod doesn't kill humans and couldn't be convinced to break protocol for the purposes of a tournament?

So then he wouldn't have beat Zoom?

His sensors misread the Speed Force as X-Gene?

NinjaSquirrel

DarkPrimus wrote:

NinjaSquirrel wrote:

robosagogo wrote:

Nimrod doesn't kill humans and couldn't be convinced to break protocol for the purposes of a tournament?

So then he wouldn't have beat Zoom?

His sensors misread the Speed Force as X-Gene?

,

But Zoom doesn't actually have the Speed Force.

Synthetic Orange

Are we still bitter? (signs point to yes)

DasUberEdward

Edit: Nevermind. Mystqiue doesn't stand a chance.

Munkus Beaver

Mysterio uses his robots and holograms to convince Nimrod that mutants are attacking a distance away from the battlefield, Nimrod leaves the battlefield and is DQ'd.

Golden God

Ok, what about this. Doom programs his armor to give himself a lethal shock after switching consciousness with mystique. Only problem is, if she is or isn’t immune to the mind switch. If she isn’t I could see him getting a new morphing body then grabbing up his old armor off a charred corpse. The reasoning for this is he is constantly questing for more power and a shape shifting body might be hard to pass up. But if she is immune to the mind swap then the second he tries the suit shocks him to death and his mind has no body to inhabit. That is unless he finds a bird flying around somewhere.

Langly

So does Mystique not get any weapons? I mean, I don't think a 9mm is going to help her much, but throw the girl a bone here.

Furu

Munkus Beaver wrote:

Mysterio uses his robots and holograms to convince Nimrod that mutants are attacking a distance away from the battlefield, Nimrod leaves the battlefield and is DQ'd.

I'll go with this.

RonnieWooWoo!

What constitutes a DQ in the Mysterio/Nimrod fight? Does a competitor have to fall off the Great Wall and touch the ground? Does simply leaving the wall's surface for any amount of time (i.e. flight, explosive force) DQ somebody?

Furu

RonnieWooWoo! wrote:

What constitutes a DQ in the Mysterio/Nimrod fight? Does a competitor have to fall off the Great Wall and touch the ground? Does simply leaving the wall's surface for any amount of time (i.e. flight, explosive force) DQ somebody?

And more importantly, are the Mongolians allowed to intervene?

Marathon

Furu wrote:

RonnieWooWoo! wrote:

What constitutes a DQ in the Mysterio/Nimrod fight? Does a competitor have to fall off the Great Wall and touch the ground? Does simply leaving the wall's surface for any amount of time (i.e. flight, explosive force) DQ somebody?

And more importantly, are the Mongolians allowed to intervene?

God damn Mongolians!

Also, I think Mystique wasn't given any special equipment due to the fact that she is fighting Doom and he's a cheater. Even if she could blend in with the people she would still be unable to actually hurt Doom through his armor.

Nimrod is gonna teleport behind Mysterio and blast a hole through him.

TehChowd

I dunno guys, Mysterio does get a "electromagnetic disruption beam" and 10 decoys, so I wouldn't count him out yet. Plus, the ten proximity mines should be enough to at least blow Nimrod out of bounds, if not just destroy him outright. I guess the real question is if Nimrod is succeptable to Mysterio's illusions or not. I'm guessing yes, because a lot of Mysterio's illusions tend to be based off of elaborate physical constructions, a la Guardian Devil.

Spectre-x

Yes

but it's actually a hologram

and there are mutants attacking!

but those are actually holograms

which Nimrod finds out only after he has been DQ'd

Scooter

I'd have to go with Nimrod if only because he has an infinity better chance of beating Doom than Mysterio does.


My poor, poor Mystique. Totally gypped by the complete lack of weapons here.

Transporter

So, here's how it goes down...

Mystique shape shifts into Susan Richards. She uses this to convince Doom that she is making a desperate plea to the Allmighty Doom to help her end Civil War, for the sake of her family. However, Doom cannot comply, since, he is currently fighting in a tournament, and cannot leave Latverian airspace.

Mystique then throws herself to Doom, lamenting how Reed has abandoning all reason, and torn thier beloved family apart. Jonny is in a coma, the Thing is in France, and she has no one left to turn to.

Moved(In a "This is a way to REALLY fuck over Reed"), Doom teleport's himself and "Susan" to a small cottage on the outskirts of Latveria, where they proceed to take comfort in one another, and, eventually, make love. Seeing her SOLE opprotunity, Mystique removes a standard kitchen knife from one of her "pouches", and slits Doom's throat as he sleeps, the end.


[spoiler:d737a942bd] Or is it!? Upon further inspection, the throat that she slit was a DOOM BOT!! The real Doom teleports in and Kentucky fries Mystique as she is contemplating on how the hell did she sleep with a robot. Doom monolouges,

"FOOLISH MORTAL!! This is MY tournament! Doom has no need for earlthy pleasures, for I AM DOOM!!You are nothing but a virtual pawn in my litte game, that will prove for once and for all, DOOM IS SUPREME!!"[/spoiler:d737a942bd]

RonnieWooWoo!

TehChowd wrote:

I dunno guys, Mysterio does get a "electromagnetic disruption beam" and 10 decoys, so I wouldn't count him out yet. Plus, the ten proximity mines should be enough to at least blow Nimrod out of bounds, if not just destroy him outright. I guess the real question is if Nimrod is succeptable to Mysterio's illusions or not. I'm guessing yes, because a lot of Mysterio's illusions tend to be based off of elaborate physical constructions, a la Guardian Devil.

I would think Nimrod's pretty much immune to Mysterio's illusions. It's safe to assume that Nimrod could tell the difference between holograms and real, live people by looking at the heat signature. People/mutants put out body heat, holograms of mutants would not. Also, most of Mysterio's really elaborate illusions have always required him to hit his enemy with a dose of hallucinogenic gas, which would have no effect on a robot.

Septus

So Mysterio makes his illusions, and Nimrod immediately detects that these illusions have no mass, and he uses his highly complex sensor systems to find Mysterio?

Judas

Septus wrote:

So Mysterio makes his illusions, and Nimrod immediately detects that these illusions have no mass, and he uses his highly complex sensor systems to find Mysterio?

I agree. The Mysterio fans are gonna be streeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetching on this one, trying to justify a win in this situation.

Crayon

He's a robot who is constantly evolving his programming. Yeah, he'd totally be fooled by a hologram. :roll:

Marathon

Spectre-x wrote:

Yes

but it's actually a hologram

and there are mutants attacking!

but those are actually holograms

which Nimrod finds out only after he has been DQ'd

Except that Nimrod would be able to detect that they were just holograms, and even if he didn't he can still just blast away at them from the wall without being DQ'd.

Fencingsax

Nimrod was just beaten by a bunch of kids. I don't think the program's evolved all that much. Although Mysterio is still basically completely screwed.

Malkor

Fencingsax wrote:

Nimrod was just beaten by a bunch of kids. I don't think the program's evolved all that much. Although Mysterio is still basically completely screwed.

Well that was after being 'repaired' by Stryker and his crew and being handicapped by Forge. They just barely beat him even after that. Fully powered Nimrod easily beat Juggernaut at the height of his powers.

Scooter

Fencingsax wrote:

Nimrod was just beaten by a bunch of kids. I don't think the program's evolved all that much. Although Mysterio is still basically completely screwed.

He was just a hair away from killing the entire team, mind you. If it wasn't for a last-minute 'leveling up' of a couple of the characters, X-23 and Rockslide would have died even in beating him.

Charmy

I betting the fact that Nimrod is a robot, and likely doesn't sense light in the normal, human terms, means he'd be able to distinguish between holograms and a person. Mysterio does have some chance, but not nearly enough of one.

Mystique, however, is fucked royally. All fall before the glory that is Doom!*

*Bizarro would have kicked his ass royally, though.

Majidah

ok here's what I got:

Nimrod is unable to attack mysterio due to the "no killing humans" stipulation.

Mysterio is unable to trick Nimrod due to his "darn green robot blood"

Therefore this braket will be resolved in a silly-costume off. Who will rule the day? fishbowl head or none more pink?!?! It's a grudge match of silly proportions on the great wall of china. Thrill! as tourists mock both contestants! Chill! as the relative merits of head shape are negotiated!