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Pre Fight Debate Thread: Brackets 23 & 24

Doctor DoomDoctor Doom Registered User regular
edited January 2007 in Graphic Violence
Bracket 23

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Doom.

Powers: genius level intellect, the ability to exchange consciousness with another humanoid, expert of magic and sorcery, armor which gives superhuman strength and durability, and flight

VS.

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Mystique

Powers: shapeshifting, immunity to disease and poisons, can heal surface tissue damage, ageless, skilled in hand to hand combat, use of firearms, and master strategist.

environment: the streets of Latveria. neither combatant may enter Doomstadt.

Bracket 24

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Nimrod

Powers: dumb name, none more pink, superhuman strength, durability, energy blasts, can interface with computers, teleportation

Vs.

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Mysterio

Powers: Awesome helmet, master of special effects and illusions, advanced technology, skilled hand to hand combatant

Equipment: 10 robotic decoys, holographic projector, electromagnetic disruption beam, 10 proximity mines

Environment: The Great Wall Of China

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    Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
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    Kuribo's ShoeKuribo's Shoe Kuribo's Stocking North PoleRegistered User regular
    edited January 2007
    look they can't all be winners

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    ServoServo Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited January 2007
    this is like two rounds of old yeller versus a 30-06 slug

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    Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Servo wrote:
    this is like two rounds of old yeller versus a 30-06 slug

    :lol::cry::lol:

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    FiarynFiaryn Omnicidal Madman Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    I think we all know what's going to happen. Here's a hint, the first choice for both. Alright, glad that's done with.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited January 2007
    I'm going to play devil's advocate and root for both underdogs.

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    Mai-KeroMai-Kero Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Mysterio is immortal and can control robots thanks to extremis

    Doom and Mysterio advance.

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    Bloods EndBloods End Blade of Tyshalle Punch dimensionRegistered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Let's now explain how Mystique can beat a vastly more powerful foe by doing nothing at all.

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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    It's set in Latvaria.

    Doom simply orders all citizens to assume the fetal position and wait for DNA testing. Doom goes around and scans people and kills everyone with an X gene, or Mystique tries to attack Doom with a weapon that simply isn't powerful enough to get through his armor, and he WTFpwns her.

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    FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Bloods End wrote:
    Let's now explain how Mystique can beat a vastly more powerful foe by doing nothing at all.


    Oh, you.

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    Bloods EndBloods End Blade of Tyshalle Punch dimensionRegistered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Fencingsax wrote:
    Bloods End wrote:
    Let's now explain how Mystique can beat a vastly more powerful foe by doing nothing at all.


    Oh, you.

    ELECTRO SHOULD NOT HAVE LOST

    I HATE ALL OF YOU

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    DasUberEdwardDasUberEdward Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Is Doom still dealing with that weird Oedipus complex?

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    Caveman PawsCaveman Paws Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    I really like Mystique (and not just because of the hawt nekkid actress that played her in the movies who's name eludes me at the moment), but Doom has this one in the bag. The bag is manufactured and sold in Latveria and is in some other clever way tied to Latveria. Yeah, that's right.

    I sense a great disturbance in the Force as a result of this next match. Nimrod should -technically- win. However (or "but" if you like) Mysterio is just so dang cool, add the nostalgia factor and I can't not vote for the guy.

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    robosagogorobosagogo Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Nimrod doesn't kill humans and couldn't be convinced to break protocol for the purposes of a tournament?

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    NinjaSquirrelNinjaSquirrel Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    robosagogo wrote:
    Nimrod doesn't kill humans and couldn't be convinced to break protocol for the purposes of a tournament?
    So then he wouldn't have beat Zoom?

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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    robosagogo wrote:
    Nimrod doesn't kill humans and couldn't be convinced to break protocol for the purposes of a tournament?
    So then he wouldn't have beat Zoom?

    His sensors misread the Speed Force as X-Gene?

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    NinjaSquirrelNinjaSquirrel Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    DarkPrimus wrote:
    robosagogo wrote:
    Nimrod doesn't kill humans and couldn't be convinced to break protocol for the purposes of a tournament?
    So then he wouldn't have beat Zoom?

    His sensors misread the Speed Force as X-Gene?
    ,

    But Zoom doesn't actually have the Speed Force.

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    Synthetic OrangeSynthetic Orange Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Are we still bitter? (signs point to yes)

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    DasUberEdwardDasUberEdward Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Edit: Nevermind. Mystqiue doesn't stand a chance.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited January 2007
    Mysterio uses his robots and holograms to convince Nimrod that mutants are attacking a distance away from the battlefield, Nimrod leaves the battlefield and is DQ'd.

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    Golden GodGolden God Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Ok, what about this. Doom programs his armor to give himself a lethal shock after switching consciousness with mystique. Only problem is, if she is or isn’t immune to the mind switch. If she isn’t I could see him getting a new morphing body then grabbing up his old armor off a charred corpse. The reasoning for this is he is constantly questing for more power and a shape shifting body might be hard to pass up. But if she is immune to the mind swap then the second he tries the suit shocks him to death and his mind has no body to inhabit. That is unless he finds a bird flying around somewhere.

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    LanglyLangly Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    So does Mystique not get any weapons? I mean, I don't think a 9mm is going to help her much, but throw the girl a bone here.

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    FuruFuru Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Mysterio uses his robots and holograms to convince Nimrod that mutants are attacking a distance away from the battlefield, Nimrod leaves the battlefield and is DQ'd.

    I'll go with this.

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    RonnieWooWoo!RonnieWooWoo! Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    What constitutes a DQ in the Mysterio/Nimrod fight? Does a competitor have to fall off the Great Wall and touch the ground? Does simply leaving the wall's surface for any amount of time (i.e. flight, explosive force) DQ somebody?

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    FuruFuru Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    What constitutes a DQ in the Mysterio/Nimrod fight? Does a competitor have to fall off the Great Wall and touch the ground? Does simply leaving the wall's surface for any amount of time (i.e. flight, explosive force) DQ somebody?

    And more importantly, are the Mongolians allowed to intervene?

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    MarathonMarathon Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Furu wrote:
    What constitutes a DQ in the Mysterio/Nimrod fight? Does a competitor have to fall off the Great Wall and touch the ground? Does simply leaving the wall's surface for any amount of time (i.e. flight, explosive force) DQ somebody?

    And more importantly, are the Mongolians allowed to intervene?

    God damn Mongolians!

    Also, I think Mystique wasn't given any special equipment due to the fact that she is fighting Doom and he's a cheater. Even if she could blend in with the people she would still be unable to actually hurt Doom through his armor.

    Nimrod is gonna teleport behind Mysterio and blast a hole through him.

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    TehChowdTehChowd Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    I dunno guys, Mysterio does get a "electromagnetic disruption beam" and 10 decoys, so I wouldn't count him out yet. Plus, the ten proximity mines should be enough to at least blow Nimrod out of bounds, if not just destroy him outright. I guess the real question is if Nimrod is succeptable to Mysterio's illusions or not. I'm guessing yes, because a lot of Mysterio's illusions tend to be based off of elaborate physical constructions, a la Guardian Devil.

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    Spectre-xSpectre-x Rating: AWESOME YESRegistered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Yes

    but it's actually a hologram

    and there are mutants attacking!

    but those are actually holograms

    which Nimrod finds out only after he has been DQ'd

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    ScooterScooter Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    I'd have to go with Nimrod if only because he has an infinity better chance of beating Doom than Mysterio does.


    My poor, poor Mystique. :cry: Totally gypped by the complete lack of weapons here.

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    TransporterTransporter Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    So, here's how it goes down...

    Mystique shape shifts into Susan Richards. She uses this to convince Doom that she is making a desperate plea to the Allmighty Doom to help her end Civil War, for the sake of her family. However, Doom cannot comply, since, he is currently fighting in a tournament, and cannot leave Latverian airspace.

    Mystique then throws herself to Doom, lamenting how Reed has abandoning all reason, and torn thier beloved family apart. Jonny is in a coma, the Thing is in France, and she has no one left to turn to.

    Moved(In a "This is a way to REALLY fuck over Reed"), Doom teleport's himself and "Susan" to a small cottage on the outskirts of Latveria, where they proceed to take comfort in one another, and, eventually, make love. Seeing her SOLE opprotunity, Mystique removes a standard kitchen knife from one of her "pouches", and slits Doom's throat as he sleeps, the end.


    [spoiler:d737a942bd] Or is it!? Upon further inspection, the throat that she slit was a DOOM BOT!! The real Doom teleports in and Kentucky fries Mystique as she is contemplating on how the hell did she sleep with a robot. Doom monolouges,

    "FOOLISH MORTAL!! This is MY tournament! Doom has no need for earlthy pleasures, for I AM DOOM!!You are nothing but a virtual pawn in my litte game, that will prove for once and for all, DOOM IS SUPREME!!"[/spoiler:d737a942bd]

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    RonnieWooWoo!RonnieWooWoo! Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    TehChowd wrote:
    I dunno guys, Mysterio does get a "electromagnetic disruption beam" and 10 decoys, so I wouldn't count him out yet. Plus, the ten proximity mines should be enough to at least blow Nimrod out of bounds, if not just destroy him outright. I guess the real question is if Nimrod is succeptable to Mysterio's illusions or not. I'm guessing yes, because a lot of Mysterio's illusions tend to be based off of elaborate physical constructions, a la Guardian Devil.

    I would think Nimrod's pretty much immune to Mysterio's illusions. It's safe to assume that Nimrod could tell the difference between holograms and real, live people by looking at the heat signature. People/mutants put out body heat, holograms of mutants would not. Also, most of Mysterio's really elaborate illusions have always required him to hit his enemy with a dose of hallucinogenic gas, which would have no effect on a robot.

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    SeptusSeptus Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    So Mysterio makes his illusions, and Nimrod immediately detects that these illusions have no mass, and he uses his highly complex sensor systems to find Mysterio?

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    JudasJudas Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Septus wrote:
    So Mysterio makes his illusions, and Nimrod immediately detects that these illusions have no mass, and he uses his highly complex sensor systems to find Mysterio?

    I agree. The Mysterio fans are gonna be streeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetching on this one, trying to justify a win in this situation.

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    CrayonCrayon Sleeps in the wrong bed. TejasRegistered User regular
    edited January 2007
    He's a robot who is constantly evolving his programming. Yeah, he'd totally be fooled by a hologram. :roll:

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    MarathonMarathon Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Spectre-x wrote:
    Yes

    but it's actually a hologram

    and there are mutants attacking!

    but those are actually holograms

    which Nimrod finds out only after he has been DQ'd

    Except that Nimrod would be able to detect that they were just holograms, and even if he didn't he can still just blast away at them from the wall without being DQ'd.

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    FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Nimrod was just beaten by a bunch of kids. I don't think the program's evolved all that much. Although Mysterio is still basically completely screwed.

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    MalkorMalkor Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Fencingsax wrote:
    Nimrod was just beaten by a bunch of kids. I don't think the program's evolved all that much. Although Mysterio is still basically completely screwed.

    Well that was after being 'repaired' by Stryker and his crew and being handicapped by Forge. They just barely beat him even after that. Fully powered Nimrod easily beat Juggernaut at the height of his powers.

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    ScooterScooter Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Fencingsax wrote:
    Nimrod was just beaten by a bunch of kids. I don't think the program's evolved all that much. Although Mysterio is still basically completely screwed.

    He was just a hair away from killing the entire team, mind you. If it wasn't for a last-minute 'leveling up' of a couple of the characters, X-23 and Rockslide would have died even in beating him.

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    CharmyCharmy Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    I betting the fact that Nimrod is a robot, and likely doesn't sense light in the normal, human terms, means he'd be able to distinguish between holograms and a person. Mysterio does have some chance, but not nearly enough of one.

    Mystique, however, is fucked royally. All fall before the glory that is Doom!*

    *Bizarro would have kicked his ass royally, though.

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    MajidahMajidah Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    ok here's what I got:

    Nimrod is unable to attack mysterio due to the "no killing humans" stipulation.

    Mysterio is unable to trick Nimrod due to his "darn green robot blood"

    Therefore this braket will be resolved in a silly-costume off. Who will rule the day? fishbowl head or none more pink?!?! It's a grudge match of silly proportions on the great wall of china. Thrill! as tourists mock both contestants! Chill! as the relative merits of head shape are negotiated!

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