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Pre Fight Debate Thread: Brackets 23 & 24

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    JudasJudas Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    When Nimrod first popped into the current timeline the first thing he witnesses is a human being mugged by another human. He immediately kicks the mugger's ass and declares himself a protector of humanity.

    He has no problem harming humans if he thinks it's for the greater good of the human race as a whole. Killing a human villain? Not too much of a stretch.

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    Caveman PawsCaveman Paws Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    I am shown the errors of my ways and now grovel at the shrine of Nimrod humbled!

    Nimrod and DOOM advance!

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    DoctorErebusDoctorErebus Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Oh, this bracket hurts. Will King Kong or Godzilla squash Bambi first?

    Seriously, this is like The Sentry v. Comatose Flash Thompson or Darkseid v. A tub of Sea Monkeys.

    Now Doom v. Nimrod? There's a fight!

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    DasUberEdwardDasUberEdward Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Golden God wrote:
    Ok, what about this. Doom programs his armor to give himself a lethal shock after switching consciousness with mystique. Only problem is, if she is or isn’t immune to the mind switch. If she isn’t I could see him getting a new morphing body then grabbing up his old armor off a charred corpse. The reasoning for this is he is constantly questing for more power and a shape shifting body might be hard to pass up. But if she is immune to the mind swap then the second he tries the suit shocks him to death and his mind has no body to inhabit. That is unless he finds a bird flying around somewhere.
    Doom would not forsee that possibility. Plenty of Latverian citizens would be waiting to accept his consciousness. Mystique. . .really doesn't stand a chance. Why is this even in Latveria? Mystique is going to end up Dooms personal love slave transforming back and forth between Sue/Reed Richards then occasionally Dooms mother.

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    Bloods EndBloods End Blade of Tyshalle Punch dimensionRegistered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Doom would not forsee that possibility. Plenty of Latverian citizens would be waiting to accept his consciousness. Mystique. . .really doesn't stand a chance. Why is this even in Latveria?

    Because when Shoe makes a inlevel playing field, he really makes a inlevel playing field.

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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    So, here's how it goes down...

    Mystique shape shifts into Susan Richards. She uses this to convince Doom that she is making a desperate plea to the Allmighty Doom to help her end Civil War, for the sake of her family. However, Doom cannot comply, since, he is currently fighting in a tournament, and cannot leave Latverian airspace.

    Mystique then throws herself to Doom, lamenting how Reed has abandoning all reason, and torn thier beloved family apart. Jonny is in a coma, the Thing is in France, and she has no one left to turn to.

    Moved(In a "This is a way to REALLY fuck over Reed"), Doom teleport's himself and "Susan" to a small cottage on the outskirts of Latveria, where they proceed to take comfort in one another, and, eventually, make love. Seeing her SOLE opprotunity, Mystique removes a standard kitchen knife from one of her "pouches", and slits Doom's throat as he sleeps, the end.


    [spoiler:d08311ac07] Or is it!? Upon further inspection, the throat that she slit was a DOOM BOT!! The real Doom teleports in and Kentucky fries Mystique as she is contemplating on how the hell did she sleep with a robot. Doom monolouges,

    "FOOLISH MORTAL!! This is MY tournament! Doom has no need for earlthy pleasures, for I AM DOOM!!You are nothing but a virtual pawn in my litte game, that will prove for once and for all, DOOM IS SUPREME!!

    RICHAAAAAAARDS!!!!!!"[/spoiler:d08311ac07]

    Fixed.

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    BionicPenguinBionicPenguin Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Oh, this bracket hurts. Will King Kong or Godzilla squash Bambi first?

    Seriously, this is like The Sentry v. Comatose Flash Thompson or Darkseid v. A tub of Sea Monkeys.

    Now Doom v. Nimrod? There's a fight!
    Except Nimrod would have to get past Despero/Loki first and that just isn't gonna happen.

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    GoodCitizenGoodCitizen Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    WOW, look at this bracket! I haven't seen a fight this uncontested since Bug vs Windshield '05.

    Seriously, can Doom just put the voting thread up now so we can move on?

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    DasUberEdwardDasUberEdward Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    I second the above notion.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited January 2007
    Oh, this bracket hurts. Will King Kong or Godzilla squash Bambi first?

    Seriously, this is like The Sentry v. Comatose Flash Thompson or Darkseid v. A tub of Sea Monkeys.

    Now Doom v. Nimrod? There's a fight!
    Except Nimrod would have to get past Despero/Loki first and that just isn't gonna happen.

    I'm pulling for loki and taskmaster in the end.

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    BionicPenguinBionicPenguin Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Oh, this bracket hurts. Will King Kong or Godzilla squash Bambi first?

    Seriously, this is like The Sentry v. Comatose Flash Thompson or Darkseid v. A tub of Sea Monkeys.

    Now Doom v. Nimrod? There's a fight!
    Except Nimrod would have to get past Despero/Loki first and that just isn't gonna happen.

    I'm pulling for loki and taskmaster in the end.

    Am I the only one who actually looked at the brackets? It's impossible for that to be the final match. It can be a semi-final, but not the final.

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    ExcessiveKnifeExcessiveKnife Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Ok, how about this...

    Bracket 23) With no gear and stranded in Latveria, Mystique is stuck with the equivalent of starting a footrace handcuffed to the benches. But there is still a chance. First off, as there is no set time limit, she has nothing to lose (and everything to gain) by turning this into the longest fight ever. And since Doom does not have his Doombots(or any other Latverian technology or military hardware for that matter) listed as powers or equipment, things are not quite as stacked as they look at first glance. Also, Doom cannot sneak around; everyone in a block radius will be chanting "Hail Doom", and any order to stop may be interpreted as some sort of potentially lethal test.

    Step One) Blend In. Like she'll have a problem with that.

    Step Two) Start Looting. Priority A will be something potentially lethal enough to kill Doom. Her best bet is going to be explosive and incendiary devices, as assembled from available fuels and accelerants (if no one minds, I will avoid a lengthy list of possible combinations, as that tends to make some people nervous).

    Step Three) Light Doom Up. This phase should happen no less than 24 hours into the fight, when Doom has reached the point of near exhaustion, and all those d**n peasants are starting to look even more alike than normal. The prime target is going to be the eye and mouth holes, because the pic provided by Doom himself shows the eyes uncovered.

    "My eyes! The (lack of) goggles, they do nothing! RICHAAAARRRRDDDS!!!"

    Bracket 24) This fight isn't quite as stacked, until the relatively narrow battlefield is taken into account, but Mysterio can still whip one out on the pinkest of the pink.

    Step 1) Slap -all- the proxy mines on one drone.

    Step 2) Use the holoprojector to hide the drone from view, and make the rest of the drones look like him.

    Step 3) Mysterio and his full drone contingent approach the pink one, who, with his robot senses will see through the "clever disguise" and spot the drone, which he will assume is the enemy attempting to trick him with a set of decoys. (He's half right).

    He will then either A) rush the drone, and catch the full brunt of ten mines going off at once, or B) Open fire on the drone, and then get blindsided by the electromagnetic disruptor (held by another drone).

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    DasUberEdwardDasUberEdward Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Ok, how about this...

    Bracket 23) With no gear and stranded in Latveria, Mystique is stuck with the equivalent of starting a footrace handcuffed to the benches. But there is still a chance. First off, as there is no set time limit, she has nothing to lose (and everything to gain) by turning this into the longest fight ever. And since Doom does not have his Doombots(or any other Latverian technology or military hardware for that matter) listed as powers or equipment, things are not quite as stacked as they look at first glance. Also, Doom cannot sneak around; everyone in a block radius will be chanting "Hail Doom", and any order to stop may be interpreted as some sort of potentially lethal test.

    Step One) Blend In. Like she'll have a problem with that.

    Step Two) Start Looting. Priority A will be something potentially lethal enough to kill Doom. Her best bet is going to be explosive and incendiary devices, as assembled from available fuels and accelerants (if no one minds, I will avoid a lengthy list of possible combinations, as that tends to make some people nervous).

    Step Three) Light Doom Up. This phase should happen no less than 24 hours into the fight, when Doom has reached the point of near exhaustion, and all those d**n peasants are starting to look even more alike than normal. The prime target is going to be the eye and mouth holes, because the pic provided by Doom himself shows the eyes uncovered.

    "My eyes! The (lack of) goggles, they do nothing! RICHAAAARRRRDDDS!!!"

    Bracket 24) This fight isn't quite as stacked, until the relatively narrow battlefield is taken into account, but Mysterio can still whip one out on the pinkest of the pink.

    Step 1) Slap -all- the proxy mines on one drone.

    Step 2) Use the holoprojector to hide the drone from view, and make the rest of the drones look like him.

    Step 3) Mysterio and his full drone contingent approach the pink one, who, with his robot senses will see through the "clever disguise" and spot the drone, which he will assume is the enemy attempting to trick him with a set of decoys. (He's half right).

    He will then either A) rush the drone, and catch the full brunt of ten mines going off at once, or B) Open fire on the drone, and then get blindsided by the electromagnetic disruptor (held by another drone).
    The only problem with the Doom scenario is that he knows he is up against Mystique. His magics could easily identify her as well as his technology. Hell he could order his subjects to point out the person who doesn't match. Mystiques subversion could only work if a stipulation was that Doom did not know of her entrance to Latveria. If that was the case, then yes. . .in time Mystique does have the ability to take down Doom through her cunning and shifting abilities.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited January 2007
    Oh, this bracket hurts. Will King Kong or Godzilla squash Bambi first?

    Seriously, this is like The Sentry v. Comatose Flash Thompson or Darkseid v. A tub of Sea Monkeys.

    Now Doom v. Nimrod? There's a fight!
    Except Nimrod would have to get past Despero/Loki first and that just isn't gonna happen.

    I'm pulling for loki and taskmaster in the end.

    Am I the only one who actually looked at the brackets? It's impossible for that to be the final match. It can be a semi-final, but not the final.

    I'm pulling for one of those two to win it. And taskmaster can take it all if he is given the powers he had temporarily (the ability to copy any super-power he sees).

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    skippydumptruckskippydumptruck begin again Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Man, I have hated Mystero ever since I had to repeatedly web-sling to the Statue of Liberty in the Spider-man 2 game.

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    MajidahMajidah Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    "Citizens of Latveria, die for DOOM and your families will know unimaginable wealth and happiness. Now jump off that barn."

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    RonnieWooWoo!RonnieWooWoo! Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Ok, how about this...

    Bracket 23) With no gear and stranded in Latveria, Mystique is stuck with the equivalent of starting a footrace handcuffed to the benches. But there is still a chance. First off, as there is no set time limit, she has nothing to lose (and everything to gain) by turning this into the longest fight ever. And since Doom does not have his Doombots(or any other Latverian technology or military hardware for that matter) listed as powers or equipment, things are not quite as stacked as they look at first glance. Also, Doom cannot sneak around; everyone in a block radius will be chanting "Hail Doom", and any order to stop may be interpreted as some sort of potentially lethal test.

    Step One) Blend In. Like she'll have a problem with that.

    Step Two) Start Looting. Priority A will be something potentially lethal enough to kill Doom. Her best bet is going to be explosive and incendiary devices, as assembled from available fuels and accelerants (if no one minds, I will avoid a lengthy list of possible combinations, as that tends to make some people nervous).

    Step Three) Light Doom Up. This phase should happen no less than 24 hours into the fight, when Doom has reached the point of near exhaustion, and all those d**n peasants are starting to look even more alike than normal. The prime target is going to be the eye and mouth holes, because the pic provided by Doom himself shows the eyes uncovered.

    "My eyes! The (lack of) goggles, they do nothing! RICHAAAARRRRDDDS!!!")

    That plan fails to take into consideration that Doom is basically the junior varsity Sorceror Supreme of the 616. Trying to hide by looking like somebody else just isn't going to cut it.

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    The Muffin ManThe Muffin Man Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Judas wrote:
    Septus wrote:
    So Mysterio makes his illusions, and Nimrod immediately detects that these illusions have no mass, and he uses his highly complex sensor systems to find Mysterio?

    I agree. The Mysterio fans are gonna be streeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetching on this one, trying to justify a win in this situation.

    "This hologram shows mutants attacking somewhere in the world."
    This gets past the "Nimrod will know it's a hologram".
    Plus if Mysterio uses his EMP gear first, he can claim that Nimrod didn't detect all mutant activity because of an EMP.

    You guys are acting like Mysterio has no idea how to trick someone who can see through his illusions. Like, say, I dunno, through some sort of pre-cognitive sense that allows him to tell if the threat is real or fake?
    Except Nimrod would have to get past Despero/Loki first and that just isn't gonna happen.
    Wouldn't he have to get through Ultron, too? Or Ultron/Despero. I thought that was the next fight for the two.

    :| Pretty lame if it's Despero/Loki...we all wanted Despero to go on TO FIGHT Ultron.

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    ReatheranReatheran Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Except Nimrod would have to get past Despero/Loki first and that just isn't gonna happen.
    Wouldn't he have to get through Ultron, too? Or Ultron/Despero. I thought that was the next fight for the two.

    :| Pretty lame if it's Despero/Loki...we all wanted Despero to go on TO FIGHT Ultron.

    Ultron and Despero are on opposite sides of the bracket.

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    BionicPenguinBionicPenguin Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Reatheran wrote:
    Except Nimrod would have to get past Despero/Loki first and that just isn't gonna happen.
    Wouldn't he have to get through Ultron, too? Or Ultron/Despero. I thought that was the next fight for the two.

    :| Pretty lame if it's Despero/Loki...we all wanted Despero to go on TO FIGHT Ultron.

    Ultron and Despero are on opposite sides of the bracket.
    Ultron vs Despero could be the final match if Ultron can beat Doom.

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    Spectre-xSpectre-x Rating: AWESOME YESRegistered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Mysterio could attack some villagers from a distance with his robots and force Nimrod to protect them first.

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    MarathonMarathon Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Spectre-x wrote:
    Mysterio could attack some villagers from a distance with his robots and force Nimrod to protect them first.
    Protect them by killing Mysterio

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited January 2007
    With the narrow playing field and the wide range of options Mysterio has to draw Nimrod away from the battle without actually leaving the field himself, I say fishbowl wins.

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    ExcessiveKnifeExcessiveKnife Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    His magics could easily identify her as well as his technology.

    Well, first off, his gear doesn't list any technology like that, he can't go to Doomstadt and get that technology, and there is no way in f**k that he would just leave that kind of stuff lying around Latveria where any schmuck farmer , would-be hero, or Richaaaards! could come across them. Also, are you going to be more specific than "use magic", because if you do than I might be able to come up with something worthwile.

    Now if solo book Mystique were in this fight, something of worth might actually happen. Using a cover picture from the solo run is something of a tease.

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    Spectre-xSpectre-x Rating: AWESOME YESRegistered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Marathon wrote:
    Spectre-x wrote:
    Mysterio could attack some villagers from a distance with his robots and force Nimrod to protect them first.
    Protect them by killing Mysterio

    Except Mysterio is nowhere to be found and his robots are autonomously killing villagers, albeit by his orders.

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    Spectre-xSpectre-x Rating: AWESOME YESRegistered User regular
    edited January 2007
    His magics could easily identify her as well as his technology.

    Well, first off, his gear doesn't list any technology like that, he can't go to Doomstadt and get that technology, and there is no way in f**k that he would just leave that kind of stuff lying around Latveria where any schmuck farmer , would-be hero, or Richaaaards! could come across them. Also, are you going to be more specific than "use magic", because if you do than I might be able to come up with something worthwile.

    Now if solo book Mystique were in this fight, something of worth might actually happen. Using a cover picture from the solo run is something of a tease.

    It's standard. High-tech scanning equipment and computers able to identify anomalous persons, magics, genetic mutations, atmospheric conditions as well as pretty much anything else are standard equipment in his suit.

    What is ALSO standard in his suit is a device that nullifies a mutant's powers. Mystique is a mutant, Doom knows this, just switch the thing on and walk around.

    He could also order a Doombot to order a census of the entire Latverian population and force Mystique to DQ herself by going to Doomstadt to do so. The alternative to a DQ is that several of Doom's Doombots track her down for disobeying him and then reduce her to her constituent atoms.

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    The Muffin ManThe Muffin Man Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Spectre-x wrote:
    His magics could easily identify her as well as his technology.

    Well, first off, his gear doesn't list any technology like that, he can't go to Doomstadt and get that technology, and there is no way in f**k that he would just leave that kind of stuff lying around Latveria where any schmuck farmer , would-be hero, or Richaaaards! could come across them. Also, are you going to be more specific than "use magic", because if you do than I might be able to come up with something worthwile.

    Now if solo book Mystique were in this fight, something of worth might actually happen. Using a cover picture from the solo run is something of a tease.

    It's standard. High-tech scanning equipment and computers able to identify anomalous persons, magics, genetic mutations, atmospheric conditions as well as pretty much anything else are standard equipment in his suit.

    See, Spectre. You're right, but you're assuming Doom is going to go use the most difficult and obtuse path possible.

    Like I said in the voting thread, all Doom has to do is march every villager to march up to Doomstadt and wait for further instructions. If Mystique follows, she is DQed. If she sticks around, she's revealed herself.

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    Spectre-xSpectre-x Rating: AWESOME YESRegistered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Yes.

    Although the alternative would actually be getting vaporized by Doombots.

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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    OP doesn't say Doom has access to Doombots...

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    The Muffin ManThe Muffin Man Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Spectre-x wrote:
    Yes.

    Although the alternative would actually be getting vaporized by Doombots.

    This is also a positive outcome.

    See, all Spectre and I can argue about now is the second match(where I think he wants Mysterio to win out of spite for Nimrod beating Zoom) or barring that, HOW exactly Doom and Mysterio win.

    Which is good because even if we disagree with how, the outcome is the same.

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    The Muffin ManThe Muffin Man Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    DarkPrimus wrote:
    OP doesn't say Doom has access to Doombots...
    I think he means that when the Doombots come to someone who is not a registered citizen of Latveria, or who is there twice, both will be killed on the spot to prevent any shapeshifters from infiltrating.

    The Latverians will than cheer and praise Doom for taking no risks in letting a possible spy go free.

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    MarathonMarathon Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Spectre-x wrote:
    Marathon wrote:
    Spectre-x wrote:
    Mysterio could attack some villagers from a distance with his robots and force Nimrod to protect them first.
    Protect them by killing Mysterio

    Except Mysterio is nowhere to be found and his robots are autonomously killing villagers, albeit by his orders.

    This fight is on the Great Wall of China, not the Great Maze of China. Even though the wall is long there really is not much of a place for Mysterio to hide.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited January 2007
    Marathon wrote:
    Spectre-x wrote:
    Marathon wrote:
    Spectre-x wrote:
    Mysterio could attack some villagers from a distance with his robots and force Nimrod to protect them first.
    Protect them by killing Mysterio

    Except Mysterio is nowhere to be found and his robots are autonomously killing villagers, albeit by his orders.

    This fight is on the Great Wall of China, not the Great Maze of China. Even though the wall is long there really is not much of a place for Mysterio to hide.

    He's at one end, nimrod is at the other. nimrod can't fly over the wall to get to mysterio as that leaves the bounds. mysterio can send his robots out far away and make it seem as if mutants are attacking with him holograms and whatnot. It does not have to trick Nimrod for more than a second. Nimrod just has to take that one step out of the boundries and BAM! DQ.

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    NinjaSquirrelNinjaSquirrel Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    I'm not actually sure there is an out of bounds in this fight. In all the previous matches where the combatants had to stay in the arena it was specifically mentioned that leaving a building/stadium/planet would result in a disqualification. There is no such stipulation here.

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    The_LightbringerThe_Lightbringer Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Marathon wrote:
    Spectre-x wrote:
    Marathon wrote:
    Spectre-x wrote:
    Mysterio could attack some villagers from a distance with his robots and force Nimrod to protect them first.
    Protect them by killing Mysterio

    Except Mysterio is nowhere to be found and his robots are autonomously killing villagers, albeit by his orders.

    This fight is on the Great Wall of China, not the Great Maze of China. Even though the wall is long there really is not much of a place for Mysterio to hide.

    He's at one end, nimrod is at the other. nimrod can't fly over the wall to get to mysterio as that leaves the bounds. mysterio can send his robots out far away and make it seem as if mutants are attacking with him holograms and whatnot. It does not have to trick Nimrod for more than a second. Nimrod just has to take that one step out of the boundries and BAM! DQ.

    Even if the bots went really far and started attacking humans this is assuming that they are still within visual range. All Nimrod has to do is shoot them from afar, which should be easy for a robot with laser beams, advanced super computer level targeting programs and assuming, very long telescopic vision (He's a robot after all).

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited January 2007
    NIMROD SMASH PUNY MUTANTS

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    The Muffin ManThe Muffin Man Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Guys.
    I'm telling you.
    "This holograph represents mutants attacking somewhere in the world."
    "PRIME DIRECTIVE: DESTROY MUTANTS. FORFEIT MATCH TO DESTROY MUTANTS."

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    DasUberEdwardDasUberEdward Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Isn't there always a mutant attacking something somewhere?

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