There is only one Space Jockey and it is in Alien.
Now a Space Jockey DOES show up in the Alien comic books but it is evil and basically wants the aliens to over run earth before it's species takes over.
But other then that there are no Space Jockeys at all in any of the Alien material be it movies or otherwise.
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edited March 2010
Something just dawned on me.
So whatever popped out of the Space Jockey's chest in Alien must have been fucking huge. I bet it was the giant queen from Aliens. Which then laid the eggs.
There are a number of explanations out there as to where queens come from. My favorite was always that a fully grown adult xenomorph would eventually mature into a queen if there were no other queens around and it was able to get enough food.
Am I the only one who would like to see the original concept of people being taken and transformed into new eggs if a Queen wasn't around return until an Alien Queen was produced.
The concept comes off as so messed up I'd love to see it made cannon.
But yeah Alien Queen's are born like any other alien, they're rather distinctive. Think of them like Queen Bee's. Same process more or less.
The whole "people turn into eggs" thing was never actually included in the first film, and since the established life-cycle of the Xenomorphs now have the Queen laying the eggs, it can't even be considered apocryphal canon.
i just wish they would make an alien movie that was wholly suspense/horror rather than a monster/slasher. filmmakers need to realize that the alien by itself is no longer scary. its image has been so infused into pop culture and mainstream marketability that people have become long desensitized to it visually. they need to make it scary again. It's become nothing more than another monster. I want it to become a nightmare again.
The more popular a horror film becomes, the less scary it becomes - people know the twists, they know who lives, they know what the monster looks like.
When Alien first came out, Sigourney Weaver was an unknown. No one knew what the fuck the Xeno looked like. Everyone expected Tom Skerritt to save the day.
I'd like to see some sort of essay about this phenomenon some time, because most films only benefit from popularity, but the horror genre actually gets weakened.
i just wish they would make an alien movie that was wholly suspense/horror rather than a monster/slasher. filmmakers need to realize that the alien by itself is no longer scary. its image has been so infused into pop culture and mainstream marketability that people have become long desensitized to it visually. they need to make it scary again. It's become nothing more than another monster. I want it to become a nightmare again.
I've thought about this a lot but I always eventually decide that it's already been done in the best possible way. You're not going to update Alien and make it better, it's already perfect. One would be better off trying to make a real sequel to Aliens than Alien.
I honestly don't know how they never made a direct sequel to Aliens with space marines and everything. I mean the space marines in that movie have inspired countless ripoffs. Yet for some reason we get 2 more bullshit Alien movies and two bullshit AVP movies set in modern times?
Alien Resurrection was doomed from the moment they decided to bring Ripley back from the dead even though the whole thing about Alien 3 was to make sure that they could make Alien movies without Ripley.
The more popular a horror film becomes, the less scary it becomes - people know the twists, they know who lives, they know what the monster looks like.
When Alien first came out, Sigourney Weaver was an unknown. No one knew what the fuck the Xeno looked like. Everyone expected Tom Skerritt to save the day.
I'd like to see some sort of essay about this phenomenon some time, because most films only benefit from popularity, but the horror genre actually gets weakened.
This is why AvP2 gets a nod from me. No character was safe.
Anyways, the scariest moment in the whole franchise is when Ripley, carrying a recently freed-yet-sticky Newt, accidentally ran right in the middle of a room filled with Alien eggs. If the series can ever reproduce that hold-your-breath suspense of walking on egg shells, the Aliens could be scary again. It's not the body count, it's the not knowing.
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Why did they ever feel the need to link Alien and Predator in the first place. It's a slippery slope into dubious continuity that at best is lame and at worst proves Jesus died in vain.
I'm not sure man, the idea that the smartest one is the most successful in the bloodsport meshes pretty well with the other Predator movies, especially Predator 1. Arnold didn't best the predator with his testosterone dripping biceps. Wait, yes he did. But he did use quite a bit of brilliant reasoning to help him.
Ridley Scott: As we speak, I've got a pile of pages next to me; it's like the fourth draft. It's a work in progress, but we're not dreaming it up anymore. We know what the story is. We're now actually trying to improve the three acts and make the characters better, build it up to something [we can shoot]. It's a work in progress, but we're actually making the film. There's no question about it, we're going to make the film.
A bit on the plot:
Scott: It's set in 2085, about 30 years before Sigourney [Weaver's character Ellen Ripley]. It's fundamentally about going out to find out 'Who the hell was that Space Jockey?' The guy who was sitting in the chair in the alien vehicle — there was a giant fellow sitting in a seat on what looked to be either a piece of technology or an astronomer's chair. Remember that? And our man [Tom Skerritt as Captain Dallas] climbs up and says "There's been an explosion in his chest from the inside out — what was that?" I'm basically explaining who that Space Jockey — we call him the Space Jockey — I'm explaining who the space jockeys were.
On Sigourney Weaver's participation:
Scott: It will be before she was born! Well, the main character [in the prequel] will be a woman, yeah. We're thinking it could go down that route, yeah. When I started the original "Alien," Ripley wasn't a woman, it was a guy. During casting, we thought, "Why don't we make it a woman?"
On creating new aliens, and whether he'll consult original "Alien" designer H.R. Giger:
Scott: I think, I have to design — or redesign — earlier versions of what these elements are that led to the thing you finally see in "Alien," which is the thing that catapults out of the egg, the face-hugger. I don't want to repeat it. The alien in a sense, as a shape, is worn out. (Giger's) still around. Once I get more serious and get going, and the big wheels start turning, we'll certainly talk. And maybe we'll come up with something completely different.
When we can expect to see it:
Scott: We're hoping to have it in theaters in late 2011, or maybe the best date in 2012.
On what made him change his mind about doing another "Alien" film:
Scott: Honestly? They've squeezed the franchise dry. The first one will always be the most frightening, because the beast we put together with Giger and all its parts — the face-hugger, the chest-burster, the egg — they were all totally original, and that's hard to follow. ... I've always avoided sequels, unless I felt there was something fresh.
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So... the movie is about the alien that we first saw?
I'm... not so sure this is going to make a compelling movie...
If I was an insane billionaire I would buy the rights to both franchises and make a final AVP movie.
It would start with an alien and a predator meeting in the middle of a large field, they both have boxes - in each box is all the respective properties of both franchises including crossovers, along with some documents that read "Rights to the alien franchise" and "Rights to the predator franchise"
The predator takes off his mask, lets loose a single tear, and hugs the alien as he detonates his self destruct, and the DONT DATE ROBOTS guy from futurama announces THATS IT, THEY'RE GONE, NO MORE ALIEN OR PREDATOR MOVIES and the credits roll
If I was an insane billionaire I would buy the rights to both franchises and make a final AVP movie.
It would start with an alien and a predator meeting in the middle of a large field, they both have boxes - in each box is all the respective properties of both franchises including crossovers, along with some documents that read "Rights to the alien franchise" and "Rights to the predator franchise"
The predator takes off his mask, lets loose a single tear, and hugs the alien as he detonates his self destruct, and the DONT DATE ROBOTS guy from futurama announces THATS IT, THEY'RE GONE, NO MORE ALIEN OR PREDATOR MOVIES and the credits roll
Man Aliens can't carry boxes, your premise is flawed.
In all likelyhood this new project will suck ass, but I'm also open to the possibility of Scott pulling it off: A return to the first movie's mystery/horror theme would be a good thing. Hopefully the extra prequel fluff will be somwhat interesting.
Whether the movie works or not, I'm definitely interested in the whole Space Jockey thing finally being explained.
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I kind of hope that this "prequel" is actually a cover for what'll actually be in the movie. Maybe 10 min or so will be devoted to the space jocky and then something we can actually care about will happen.
Or I just have a very different opinion on what is interesting....
I'm sorta surprised at how knee-jerk the negative reaction is. Part of the reason ALIEN worked so well was because of the alien nature of the creature. You had no idea what the fuck to expect. So you get the same director, hopefully working in the same slow, deliberate fashion, in 3D, with a redesigned (w/ Giger's help, no less) xenomorph, and it's automatically "teh suck?"
I know 3D has a huge, and well-deserved, backlash, especially after Clash of the Titans. but 3D is really well suited to the sort of long takes that Ridley used to make up about 95% of ALIEN back in 79. That movie is, in my opinion, the perfect horror film, especially in the way the pacing helps establish a pervasive dread that is working your nerves almost subliminally. Now imagine adding a shot-for-3D-with-3D-cameras element to that immersive dread.
I think it's because people don't want to get too hyped. It's a defense mechanism to protect us from bad media. Example: I was really excited for the new Clash of the Titans.
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I get the defense mechanism train of thought, but it seems so awkwardly applied here. For example: Clash of the Titans was a remake of a pretty shitty movie, by a mediocre director, with a crap leading man. It makes sense to be skeptical of that.
This is Ridley Scott returning to ALIEN, attempting to jettison everything about the series that doesn't work anymore due to overexposure from hack directors ineptly using the characters and atmosphere.
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Now a Space Jockey DOES show up in the Alien comic books but it is evil and basically wants the aliens to over run earth before it's species takes over.
But other then that there are no Space Jockeys at all in any of the Alien material be it movies or otherwise.
So whatever popped out of the Space Jockey's chest in Alien must have been fucking huge. I bet it was the giant queen from Aliens. Which then laid the eggs.
The concept comes off as so messed up I'd love to see it made cannon.
But yeah Alien Queen's are born like any other alien, they're rather distinctive. Think of them like Queen Bee's. Same process more or less.
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When Alien first came out, Sigourney Weaver was an unknown. No one knew what the fuck the Xeno looked like. Everyone expected Tom Skerritt to save the day.
I'd like to see some sort of essay about this phenomenon some time, because most films only benefit from popularity, but the horror genre actually gets weakened.
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I've thought about this a lot but I always eventually decide that it's already been done in the best possible way. You're not going to update Alien and make it better, it's already perfect. One would be better off trying to make a real sequel to Aliens than Alien.
I honestly don't know how they never made a direct sequel to Aliens with space marines and everything. I mean the space marines in that movie have inspired countless ripoffs. Yet for some reason we get 2 more bullshit Alien movies and two bullshit AVP movies set in modern times?
than again, i still don't really know what the hell alien:r was "supposed" to be.
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This is why AvP2 gets a nod from me. No character was safe.
Anyways, the scariest moment in the whole franchise is when Ripley, carrying a recently freed-yet-sticky Newt, accidentally ran right in the middle of a room filled with Alien eggs. If the series can ever reproduce that hold-your-breath suspense of walking on egg shells, the Aliens could be scary again. It's not the body count, it's the not knowing.
Comic books suck as movies, crossovers suck in general, and in this case it's merely just an elevated fandom wetdream.
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I think the first one, featuring Topher, confirms what we all expected.
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I'd love to see Topher as Peter Parker in a reboot of the franchise that will never happen!
I'm... not so sure this is going to make a compelling movie...
It would start with an alien and a predator meeting in the middle of a large field, they both have boxes - in each box is all the respective properties of both franchises including crossovers, along with some documents that read "Rights to the alien franchise" and "Rights to the predator franchise"
The predator takes off his mask, lets loose a single tear, and hugs the alien as he detonates his self destruct, and the DONT DATE ROBOTS guy from futurama announces THATS IT, THEY'RE GONE, NO MORE ALIEN OR PREDATOR MOVIES and the credits roll
Man Aliens can't carry boxes, your premise is flawed.
I'm wondering if they're going to borrow something from the comics. I suspect not, but you never know.
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Or I just have a very different opinion on what is interesting....
It would be great to have a human-free genre of sci-fi movies.
I know 3D has a huge, and well-deserved, backlash, especially after Clash of the Titans. but 3D is really well suited to the sort of long takes that Ridley used to make up about 95% of ALIEN back in 79. That movie is, in my opinion, the perfect horror film, especially in the way the pacing helps establish a pervasive dread that is working your nerves almost subliminally. Now imagine adding a shot-for-3D-with-3D-cameras element to that immersive dread.
Directed by Ridley Scott.
with all new creature designs by H.R. Giger.
And it's automatically "MAN, FUCK THIS?"
I don't get that.
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This is Ridley Scott returning to ALIEN, attempting to jettison everything about the series that doesn't work anymore due to overexposure from hack directors ineptly using the characters and atmosphere.
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