Is there a half decent toturial on the game mechanics somewhere?
There's no indepth analysis that I can find outside the future press offical game guide which I haven't gotten yet but really want to.
Apparently they removed mention of the kilgore glitch from the guide on Platinum Game's request, on the grounds that the game doesn't require it to be good at and is more rewarding if you don't use it. They were going to mention other switch moves, which is called barrage switching. But when they were asked to take out the kilgore specifically they decided to take out all of it.
Apparently they meant for you to be able to switch but didn't think far enough ahead or playtest the kilgore switch version properly (since you can do it with shotguns too and can also do it with any weapon in your legs, not just durga. Durga is just much more powerful.)
I've basically scoured the internet for advice on various stuff and managed to find bits and pieces scattered everywhere. Especialy regarding the weapons but also on tactics.
Is there anything in particular you want to know about? I do a lot of testing in game myself so I might be able to answer them.
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Psychotic OneThe Lord of No PantsParts UnknownRegistered Userregular
edited May 2010
The only real advise I can give is this.
Don't go all offense or all defense. Its best if you treat this as a really fast paced Batman Arkham Asylum. Never give anyone breathing room but be prepared to dodge at a moments notice. Practice your weaves and weave off-sets. The more reliable you can pull these off, and the former, the easier the game, especially Grace and Glory, becomes.
I'd recommend playing through Normal first and then moving to hard. The learning curve is too sharp to go straight to hard even if you are a Devil May Cry veteran.
For weapons I'd use a close combat and a Range combat styles for your two sets
Set A - Katana with Ice Skates [when you unlock them...other wise use the claws [Lightning prefered]
Set B - Scarsburough Fair on hands and Shotguns/Kilgore on the feet. The Spinaroonie and the Flip teleport attacks will help round this out alot.
Practice your combos on the load screen and such and make use of the preview on the skill screens. The Crow Dodge skill is absolutely vital so get it asap. Gives you a little extra leeway in your dodges. Makes a huge diffrence when you are alternating dodges with attacks and you get a little greedy. Other wise replay stages, build up halos, and if needed buy a lot of Loli's and make use of them.
This has probably been asked like 5000 times in this thread, but I haven't been active and read it all.
Should i get this though i only have a PS3? I'm a huge DMC fan, but was greatly put off by a lazy port. I see all these scare videos on the net, and well, I'm sceptical both ways. Is it truly horrible? Should i try to get a 360 one weekend, play it once and never touch it again? Or is it just hyperbole and the game is simply not as good as it is on the 360 but it works fine anyway?
This has probably been asked like 5000 times in this thread, but I haven't been active and read it all.
Should i get this though i only have a PS3? I'm a huge DMC fan, but was greatly put off by a lazy port. I see all these scare videos on the net, and well, I'm sceptical both ways. Is it truly horrible? Should i try to get a 360 one weekend, play it once and never touch it again? Or is it just hyperbole and the game is simply not as good as it is on the 360 but it works fine anyway?
The PS3 version used to be pretty significantly worse. I've got 360 so don't know exactly how much the patch improved things, but it was supposedly a pretty big improvement, and also you can now install it to the HD to make it pretty much as good as the 360. So you should still go 360 if all else is equal, but Morninglord's been playing it on PS3 and I'm pretty sure he's happy with it.
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This has probably been asked like 5000 times in this thread, but I haven't been active and read it all.
Should i get this though i only have a PS3? I'm a huge DMC fan, but was greatly put off by a lazy port. I see all these scare videos on the net, and well, I'm sceptical both ways. Is it truly horrible? Should i try to get a 360 one weekend, play it once and never touch it again? Or is it just hyperbole and the game is simply not as good as it is on the 360 but it works fine anyway?
The PS3 version used to be pretty significantly worse. I've got 360 so don't know exactly how much the patch improved things, but it was supposedly a pretty big improvement, and also you can now install it to the HD to make it pretty much as good as the 360. So you should still go 360 if all else is equal, but Morninglord's been playing it on PS3 and I'm pretty sure he's happy with it.
I could probably manage to borrow a 360 and rent the game or whatever, just for shooting through it once. I'm just wondering if the PS3 issues are still bad enough to warrant me not buying the game even though I've loved every DMC game. I heard about the install patch getting rid of a lot of load times, but the frame rate drops supposedly still plague the game, which sounds pretty bad in a fast action game.
The lazy port part put me off something fierce, but I'm starting to get the shakes again.
Casually HardcoreOnce an Asshole. Trying to be better.Registered Userregular
edited May 2010
Well I replay chapter 1 a few times as practice.
It seem like the key to this game is positioning and footwork. Which is alright, cause that was the key with Ninja Gaiden.
Though, I'm not exactly sure how this combo system works. I guess the bigger combos you do, the more rings you get? Or is the multiplier just purely a cosmetic thing?
Also, I'm playing the PS3 version and with the game installed and the patch, this game is buttery smooth with minimal loading time.
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MongerI got the ham stink.Dallas, TXRegistered Userregular
edited May 2010
Against certain enemies, Bayonetta does play very much like a Ninja Gaiden game. In fact, if you try to play it all DMC all the time, you'll get eviscerated in a lot of areas. And yes, the multiplier is for rings. It's kind of like the style meter in DMC and kind of not. You get combo points while you're attacking based on the moves you're using. When you break combo, you cash in and get rings based on whatever amount of points you've accrued. The points also affect your rank at the end of the mission.
In my head...Scenario #2 seems the most likely and desired
Man, I can barely handle the confirmed cast as it is. If Bayonetta is in it would blow my mind
Dear lord. Man, the fact that I could have a Dante/Deadpool team had already pushed me closer to that game than anyone with as little experience with fighting games as I should ever get to a Vs game.
This has probably been asked like 5000 times in this thread, but I haven't been active and read it all.
Should i get this though i only have a PS3? I'm a huge DMC fan, but was greatly put off by a lazy port. I see all these scare videos on the net, and well, I'm sceptical both ways. Is it truly horrible? Should i try to get a 360 one weekend, play it once and never touch it again? Or is it just hyperbole and the game is simply not as good as it is on the 360 but it works fine anyway?
The PS3 version used to be pretty significantly worse. I've got 360 so don't know exactly how much the patch improved things, but it was supposedly a pretty big improvement, and also you can now install it to the HD to make it pretty much as good as the 360. So you should still go 360 if all else is equal, but Morninglord's been playing it on PS3 and I'm pretty sure he's happy with it.
I could probably manage to borrow a 360 and rent the game or whatever, just for shooting through it once. I'm just wondering if the PS3 issues are still bad enough to warrant me not buying the game even though I've loved every DMC game. I heard about the install patch getting rid of a lot of load times, but the frame rate drops supposedly still plague the game, which sounds pretty bad in a fast action game.
The lazy port part put me off something fierce, but I'm starting to get the shakes again.
Like has been mentioned, the PS3 version is fine now. The loading times were the biggest issue, and that got cleaned up completely in a patch. As far as I know, the framerate and texture quality aren't quite on par with the 360, but it's not far enough off that you'd notice without seeing them side by side.
Alright guys, thanks i feel assured. Sounds a little off that the combat resembles ninja gaiden more than DMC, since the latter kind was superior in my book, but I've played the Bayonetta demo and I had nothing to complain about! I'm not surprised though, having a simple dodge button is very reminiscent of dodge-spam-gaiden.
Guess I'll be getting my vrooom on next week, so you'll have to listen to me gush about how awesome everything is after I've actually played it. It'll be like getting portal 6 months after everyone else.
its speed is more comparable to ninja gaiden, but it doesn't have the bullshit like tons of invincibility frames or iffy jumping puzzles (several abilities you get early in the game make most platforming a joke)
MongerI got the ham stink.Dallas, TXRegistered Userregular
edited May 2010
What game it feels like varies with what you're doing at any given time, and different enemy types are conducive to different styles of play. There's bits of Ninja Gaiden in there. There's bits of DMC in there. There's bits of Viewtiful Joe in there. There's bits of God Hand in there. There's bits of God of War in there.
This has probably been asked like 5000 times in this thread, but I haven't been active and read it all.
Should i get this though i only have a PS3? I'm a huge DMC fan, but was greatly put off by a lazy port. I see all these scare videos on the net, and well, I'm sceptical both ways. Is it truly horrible? Should i try to get a 360 one weekend, play it once and never touch it again? Or is it just hyperbole and the game is simply not as good as it is on the 360 but it works fine anyway?
The PS3 version used to be pretty significantly worse. I've got 360 so don't know exactly how much the patch improved things, but it was supposedly a pretty big improvement, and also you can now install it to the HD to make it pretty much as good as the 360. So you should still go 360 if all else is equal, but Morninglord's been playing it on PS3 and I'm pretty sure he's happy with it.
Man I'm not too sure I'm a good example to use for this kind of thing. I'm happy with TFU as well you know. I'm a very tolerant person.
Mind you I'm not just happy with Bayonetta, in fact I have to actively force myself to not play it or I wont get any uni work done.
But I'm just saying you know. I'm not too picky.
Regardless, the patch cleaned up the loading times and most glitches/slowdowns/odd pauses in the game, so that I don't really notice any major difference in the smoothness of the combat from playing eg dmc4. Whereas before the patch I could definitely notice that it was a subpar thing....I just didn't you know care because it's totally worth it ie totally biased. :P
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I still get some slowdown on the 360 after installing it, so if it slows down for you on PS3 don't automatically assume it would go away on 360.
I haven't noticed any of that, but that might be a side effect of never blinking.
Also, I noticed that Durga's fire skulls completely obliterate bosses. Like, a good 1/3 of Sapientia's health bar with a single blast. pk[p] is where it's at.
I still get some slowdown on the 360 after installing it, so if it slows down for you on PS3 don't automatically assume it would go away on 360.
I haven't noticed any of that, but that might be a side effect of never blinking.
Also, I noticed that Durga's fire skulls completely obliterate bosses. Like, a good 1/3 of Sapientia's health bar with a single blast. pk[p] is where it's at.
The 360 version will occasionally slow down when there's tons of shit happening. Mostly explosions. It rarely lasts for more than a few seconds, but it's still noticeable.
What game it feels like varies with what you're doing at any given time, and different enemy types are conducive to different styles of play. There's bits of Ninja Gaiden in there. There's bits of DMC in there. There's bits of Viewtiful Joe in there. There's bits of God Hand in there. There's bits of God of War in there.
There's fucking Space Harrier in there.
But yeah, it's closest to DMC most of the time.
Which, unfortunately, sucks. Hard.
There are definitely section you have to treat like Viewtiful Joe, once I realised that those parts became a lot easier.
MorninglordI'm tired of being Batman,so today I'll be Owl.Registered Userregular
edited May 2010
It only sucks because it's a forced thing before a boss fight.
In terms of difficulty it's not very, in terms of ability to kill everything just like space harriers it's got it. You can kill everything once you know the pattern. If you use the accessory that gives you magic bars and know how to dodge you can be firing off a mazillion missiles.
It's a replication of a space harrier level. Any criticisms levelled at it are levellable at space harrier. so if you don't like playing games like space harrier nowadays then monger going "space harrier man space harrier!" wouldn't mean much. If you do then it'd be pretty fun the first time around especially if you knew how to play that level from playing space harrier.
Note that I am hugely pissed off that I have to go through it every time I want to fight the proper boss at the end.
But that's not really the fault of that particular segment so much as the fault of the level designer for not ending the chapter in between them.
What I'm trying to say is aside from the "forced to get through it to do a completely different task" aspect, it's suckage otherwise depends on your personality/tolerance/nostalgia factor/enjoyment of shmups.
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Note that I am hugely pissed off that I have to go through it every time I want to fight the proper boss at the end.
But that's not really the fault of that particular segment so much as the fault of the level designer for not ending the chapter in between them.
That really is a pretty big oversight, though. I mean, I don't mind that bit now, but it really shouldn't be a mandatory preface to a major boss fight like that.
Of course, I didn't particularly like going through it that first time, anyway. I mean, I haven't played a rail shooter since Star Fox 64. There is probably a reason for that.
That was really interesting hearing about the stuff in the background that went on in the making of the game, like why the cutscenes are like that, stuff like the names on headstones, the explanation of the first crazy clocktower scene and how it came about.
I'd totally watch every single one if he continues it. Let's hope he has the motivation.
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Casually HardcoreOnce an Asshole. Trying to be better.Registered Userregular
edited May 2010
Jeanne vs Bayonetta
OMFG
OMFG!!!!
This is the best fucking boss fight fucking ever. I can't believe I picked up GoW3 before picking this game up.
Holy fucking shit, this is going up next to God Hand on my 'Games to play once a year' shelf.
Casually HardcoreOnce an Asshole. Trying to be better.Registered Userregular
edited May 2010
Holy fucking shit.
Just beaten the game and this is easily one of the Top Ten Games that have ever been made.
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MorninglordI'm tired of being Batman,so today I'll be Owl.Registered Userregular
edited May 2010
It's great how there are people who play it and are all like "WTF BULLSHIT SECTION but this game is great anyway" and there's also people who are like "BEST GAME EVA" and forget about the bad sections.
Wish I could say I was the latter but the QTE's pissed on my cheerios.
But anyway forget about that I was trying to be positive.
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Casually HardcoreOnce an Asshole. Trying to be better.Registered Userregular
edited May 2010
Some of the QTE was annoying, but they were smart enough to have you start 2 seconds away from the QTE the second time around (honestly, I wonder why they even have QTE in the game).
Honestly, the presentation and rock solid gameplay easily makes up any shortcomings in bad level design.
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MongerI got the ham stink.Dallas, TXRegistered Userregular
edited May 2010
I like Bayonetta a whole lot, but the QTEs and the wonky pacing/mission structure really do drag it down something fierce, and in a way that directly interferes with the stuff the game does well. It's comparable to some of the best action games I've played, but it's definitely outclassed by a Ninja Gaiden: Black or a DMC3 for consistency of execution.
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There's no indepth analysis that I can find outside the future press offical game guide which I haven't gotten yet but really want to.
Apparently they removed mention of the kilgore glitch from the guide on Platinum Game's request, on the grounds that the game doesn't require it to be good at and is more rewarding if you don't use it. They were going to mention other switch moves, which is called barrage switching. But when they were asked to take out the kilgore specifically they decided to take out all of it.
Apparently they meant for you to be able to switch but didn't think far enough ahead or playtest the kilgore switch version properly (since you can do it with shotguns too and can also do it with any weapon in your legs, not just durga. Durga is just much more powerful.)
I've basically scoured the internet for advice on various stuff and managed to find bits and pieces scattered everywhere. Especialy regarding the weapons but also on tactics.
Is there anything in particular you want to know about? I do a lot of testing in game myself so I might be able to answer them.
Don't go all offense or all defense. Its best if you treat this as a really fast paced Batman Arkham Asylum. Never give anyone breathing room but be prepared to dodge at a moments notice. Practice your weaves and weave off-sets. The more reliable you can pull these off, and the former, the easier the game, especially Grace and Glory, becomes.
I'd recommend playing through Normal first and then moving to hard. The learning curve is too sharp to go straight to hard even if you are a Devil May Cry veteran.
For weapons I'd use a close combat and a Range combat styles for your two sets
Set A - Katana with Ice Skates [when you unlock them...other wise use the claws [Lightning prefered]
Set B - Scarsburough Fair on hands and Shotguns/Kilgore on the feet. The Spinaroonie and the Flip teleport attacks will help round this out alot.
Practice your combos on the load screen and such and make use of the preview on the skill screens. The Crow Dodge skill is absolutely vital so get it asap. Gives you a little extra leeway in your dodges. Makes a huge diffrence when you are alternating dodges with attacks and you get a little greedy. Other wise replay stages, build up halos, and if needed buy a lot of Loli's and make use of them.
Get crow dodge.
Whoops! Yes I do have a terrible memory.
Should i get this though i only have a PS3? I'm a huge DMC fan, but was greatly put off by a lazy port. I see all these scare videos on the net, and well, I'm sceptical both ways. Is it truly horrible? Should i try to get a 360 one weekend, play it once and never touch it again? Or is it just hyperbole and the game is simply not as good as it is on the 360 but it works fine anyway?
The PS3 version used to be pretty significantly worse. I've got 360 so don't know exactly how much the patch improved things, but it was supposedly a pretty big improvement, and also you can now install it to the HD to make it pretty much as good as the 360. So you should still go 360 if all else is equal, but Morninglord's been playing it on PS3 and I'm pretty sure he's happy with it.
Bat within is basically the first technique you should get, yes
I could probably manage to borrow a 360 and rent the game or whatever, just for shooting through it once. I'm just wondering if the PS3 issues are still bad enough to warrant me not buying the game even though I've loved every DMC game. I heard about the install patch getting rid of a lot of load times, but the frame rate drops supposedly still plague the game, which sounds pretty bad in a fast action game.
The lazy port part put me off something fierce, but I'm starting to get the shakes again.
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It seem like the key to this game is positioning and footwork. Which is alright, cause that was the key with Ninja Gaiden.
Though, I'm not exactly sure how this combo system works. I guess the bigger combos you do, the more rings you get? Or is the multiplier just purely a cosmetic thing?
Also, I'm playing the PS3 version and with the game installed and the patch, this game is buttery smooth with minimal loading time.
Dear lord. Man, the fact that I could have a Dante/Deadpool team had already pushed me closer to that game than anyone with as little experience with fighting games as I should ever get to a Vs game.
Like has been mentioned, the PS3 version is fine now. The loading times were the biggest issue, and that got cleaned up completely in a patch. As far as I know, the framerate and texture quality aren't quite on par with the 360, but it's not far enough off that you'd notice without seeing them side by side.
All right, people. It is not a gerbil. It is not a hamster. It is not a guinea pig. It is a death rabbit. Death. Rabbit. Say it with me, now.
360 left Ps3 right
It's definitely not "night and day" but there are distinctive visual differences and the framerate is supposed to be a "tad" worse on the PS3.
Guess I'll be getting my vrooom on next week, so you'll have to listen to me gush about how awesome everything is after I've actually played it. It'll be like getting portal 6 months after everyone else.
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its speed is more comparable to ninja gaiden, but it doesn't have the bullshit like tons of invincibility frames or iffy jumping puzzles (several abilities you get early in the game make most platforming a joke)
There's fucking Space Harrier in there.
But yeah, it's closest to DMC most of the time.
All right, people. It is not a gerbil. It is not a hamster. It is not a guinea pig. It is a death rabbit. Death. Rabbit. Say it with me, now.
Man I'm not too sure I'm a good example to use for this kind of thing. I'm happy with TFU as well you know. I'm a very tolerant person.
Mind you I'm not just happy with Bayonetta, in fact I have to actively force myself to not play it or I wont get any uni work done.
But I'm just saying you know. I'm not too picky.
Regardless, the patch cleaned up the loading times and most glitches/slowdowns/odd pauses in the game, so that I don't really notice any major difference in the smoothness of the combat from playing eg dmc4. Whereas before the patch I could definitely notice that it was a subpar thing....I just didn't you know care because it's totally worth it ie totally biased. :P
I haven't noticed any of that, but that might be a side effect of never blinking.
Also, I noticed that Durga's fire skulls completely obliterate bosses. Like, a good 1/3 of Sapientia's health bar with a single blast. pk[p] is where it's at.
All right, people. It is not a gerbil. It is not a hamster. It is not a guinea pig. It is a death rabbit. Death. Rabbit. Say it with me, now.
The motorcycle part...
MY FUCKING GOD!
So, what game is P* working on next so I can go straight to gamestop and reserve it?
I am being serious here.
All right, people. It is not a gerbil. It is not a hamster. It is not a guinea pig. It is a death rabbit. Death. Rabbit. Say it with me, now.
Oh god there's so many b movies he could reference!
Which, unfortunately, sucks. Hard.
There are definitely section you have to treat like Viewtiful Joe, once I realised that those parts became a lot easier.
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In terms of difficulty it's not very, in terms of ability to kill everything just like space harriers it's got it. You can kill everything once you know the pattern. If you use the accessory that gives you magic bars and know how to dodge you can be firing off a mazillion missiles.
It's a replication of a space harrier level. Any criticisms levelled at it are levellable at space harrier. so if you don't like playing games like space harrier nowadays then monger going "space harrier man space harrier!" wouldn't mean much. If you do then it'd be pretty fun the first time around especially if you knew how to play that level from playing space harrier.
Note that I am hugely pissed off that I have to go through it every time I want to fight the proper boss at the end.
But that's not really the fault of that particular segment so much as the fault of the level designer for not ending the chapter in between them.
What I'm trying to say is aside from the "forced to get through it to do a completely different task" aspect, it's suckage otherwise depends on your personality/tolerance/nostalgia factor/enjoyment of shmups.
hideki kamiya is let's playing bayonetta
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Truly, the best developer. If Bayonetta makes it into MvC3, I'm going to rock Dante, Bayonetta, Deadpool all day every day.
Yes, a highly silly goose decision in a game that is otherwise impeccably check pointed.
Having to redo what is quite a large chunk of very easy gameplay a couple of times before getting to the hard bit was quite phenomenally annoying.
It's like a super annoying version of that Boss fight in Prince of Persia Two Thrones that had an unskippable cut scene before it.
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That really is a pretty big oversight, though. I mean, I don't mind that bit now, but it really shouldn't be a mandatory preface to a major boss fight like that.
Of course, I didn't particularly like going through it that first time, anyway. I mean, I haven't played a rail shooter since Star Fox 64. There is probably a reason for that.
All right, people. It is not a gerbil. It is not a hamster. It is not a guinea pig. It is a death rabbit. Death. Rabbit. Say it with me, now.
That was really interesting hearing about the stuff in the background that went on in the making of the game, like why the cutscenes are like that, stuff like the names on headstones, the explanation of the first crazy clocktower scene and how it came about.
I'd totally watch every single one if he continues it. Let's hope he has the motivation.
OMFG
OMFG!!!!
This is the best fucking boss fight fucking ever. I can't believe I picked up GoW3 before picking this game up.
Holy fucking shit, this is going up next to God Hand on my 'Games to play once a year' shelf.
Man the Sarcasm in that team alone would send opponents into a fetal position.
I just got a horrible mental image of Deadpool dressed up as Bayonetta. Much like the time he got to wear Marvel Girl's mini skirt
Just beaten the game and this is easily one of the Top Ten Games that have ever been made.
Wish I could say I was the latter but the QTE's pissed on my cheerios.
But anyway forget about that I was trying to be positive.
Honestly, the presentation and rock solid gameplay easily makes up any shortcomings in bad level design.
All right, people. It is not a gerbil. It is not a hamster. It is not a guinea pig. It is a death rabbit. Death. Rabbit. Say it with me, now.