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  • DirtyDirtyVagrantDirtyDirtyVagrant Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Can you tell if a poke's parents are hacked?

    What's to stop someone from hacking a perfect ditto and a perfect whatever and then breeding until they get a perfect or near perfect mon?

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  • King RiptorKing Riptor Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Can you tell if a poke's parents are hacked?

    What's to stop someone from hacking a perfect ditto and a perfect whatever and then breeding until they get a perfect or near perfect mon?

    The game itself won't allow that.

    Parents at best pass on 1-2 stats each and even that isn't 100%. Nature and specific moves are the only guarantees in breeding

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  • DirtyDirtyVagrantDirtyDirtyVagrant Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Ah. Well, good then.

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  • OpiumOpium regular
    edited January 2010
    Can you tell if a poke's parents are hacked?

    What's to stop someone from hacking a perfect ditto and a perfect whatever and then breeding until they get a perfect or near perfect mon?

    The game itself won't allow that.

    Parents at best pass on 1-2 stats each and even that isn't 100%. Nature and specific moves are the only guarantees in breeding

    Ergo the videogame equivalent of monkeys typing Shakespeare.

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  • The Muffin ManThe Muffin Man Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Mechanical wrote: »
    BugBoy wrote: »
    These games are still aimed primarily at children.


    I'm honestly surprised at how many people tend to forget this. My experience with others that play this seems to point out that they don't actively care about the things like IVs (Even I fall into this one), keep the starter and a pack of legendaries, and so forth.

    That's true to an extent but then there's the kids who started ten years ago who are now still actively playing. The Training items and even Battle Fronteir are clearly designed for older players. I think Pokemon is one of the rare franchises that can cater to both it's fanbases.

    The introduction of the +/- colored stats in HeartGold/SoulSilver (where the stats affected by Nature are red for positive, blue for negative) shows this.

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  • DirtyDirtyVagrantDirtyDirtyVagrant Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    That sounds pretty convenient.

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  • BugBoyBugBoy boy.EXE has stopped functioning. only bugs remainRegistered User regular
    edited January 2010
    The introduction of the +/- colored stats in HeartGold/SoulSilver (where the stats affected by Nature are red for positive, blue for negative) shows this.
    That's actually pretty useful. Natures are basically the only thing I pay attention to, and now I can stop checking serebii every two minutes!

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  • SixfortyfiveSixfortyfive Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Can you tell if a poke's parents are hacked?

    What's to stop someone from hacking a perfect ditto and a perfect whatever and then breeding until they get a perfect or near perfect mon?
    The game itself won't allow that.

    Parents at best pass on 1-2 stats each and even that isn't 100%. Nature and specific moves are the only guarantees in breeding
    If you have the capability to hack perfect parents in the first place, you probably have the means to force perfect IVs as well.

    While there are a lot of illegal IV spreads for wild Pokemon, I'm not sure if there's a way to tell if a bred Pokemon's IVs have been hacked. Maybe if it's shiny, because I imagine that it'd still be pretty rare to get perfect IV shiny Pokemon even if both parents have perfect IVs as well.

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  • silence1186silence1186 Character shields down! As a wingmanRegistered User regular
    edited January 2010
    What it seems to come down to is that IVs are a dumb mechanic.

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  • Butler For Life #1Butler For Life #1 Twinning is WinningRegistered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Yeah, IVs are complicated and annoying. I tried IV training once, and got bored within 15 minutes.

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  • BugBoyBugBoy boy.EXE has stopped functioning. only bugs remainRegistered User regular
    edited January 2010
    What it seems to come down to is that IVs are a dumb mechanic.
    They're annoying to manipulate, but they weren't supposed to be manipulated. If I recall correctly, they were originally used, along with EVs, to differentiate pokemon of the same species and level from each other. I don't think we were supposed to know about them, but once people did, they started adding in aspects to make them easier to use.

    I could be wrong, though.

    Butler: I made it through one whole IV bred team once, then swore I wouldn't do it again. My boxes will never be emptied of mankeys and tyrogues.

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  • Butler For Life #1Butler For Life #1 Twinning is WinningRegistered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Didn't the discovery of IVs have something to do with Action Replay or the like? I'm sure some sort of hacking must have been involved.

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  • SixfortyfiveSixfortyfive Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Didn't the discovery of IVs have something to do with Action Replay or the like? I'm sure some sort of hacking must have been involved.
    IVs have been around since RBY and could be observed simply from catching 2 Pokemon of the same species and level and noticing that they had different stats.

    Hacking devices and emulators were probably used to figure out exactly how they worked, though.

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  • Butler For Life #1Butler For Life #1 Twinning is WinningRegistered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Hackers: Making Pokemon less fun for everyone!

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  • CamuiCamui Sogekidan Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    So I was thinking to myself, has anyone ever tried to host a "Minor League" tournament where you could

    1) only use Basic Pokemon - The pokemon has to have 1-2 evolution steps
    2) No Legendary

    Just for a change up?

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  • SixfortyfiveSixfortyfive Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Camui wrote: »
    So I was thinking to myself, has anyone ever tried to host a "Minor League" tournament where you could

    1) only use Basic Pokemon - The pokemon has to have 1-2 evolution steps
    2) No Legendary

    Just for a change up?
    This is called "Little Cup." I don't think there's ever been an LC tournament on PA, but it is a standard mode of play.

    It's usually played at level 5 too, so you have to rely on egg moves and TMs for good movesets.

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  • RockinXRockinX Registered User regular
    edited January 2010

    While there are a lot of illegal IV spreads for wild Pokemon, I'm not sure if there's a way to tell if a bred Pokemon's IVs have been hacked. Maybe if it's shiny, because I imagine that it'd still be pretty rare to get perfect IV shiny Pokemon even if both parents have perfect IVs as well.

    Wait, you can abuse the RNG, yet you think it's rare to get flawless shiny eggs? How? flawless shinies are a common sight on Smogon and there are even hex-flawless around (those are significantly less common, but they're still there. Some douches even reject Breeding Projects if they don't have 31 in everything despite being being specialized in only one of the attacks).

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  • RockinXRockinX Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Camui wrote: »
    So I was thinking to myself, has anyone ever tried to host a "Minor League" tournament where you could

    1) only use Basic Pokemon - The pokemon has to have 1-2 evolution steps
    2) No Legendary

    Just for a change up?
    This is called "Little Cup." I don't think there's ever been an LC tournament on PA, but it is a standard mode of play.

    It's usually played at level 5 too, so you have to rely on egg moves and TMs for good movesets.

    There was actually one held once. I think it didn't last long but there was probably a winner. I lost horribly, too. It was held late 2007.

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  • King RiptorKing Riptor Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Oh is there anything special about that Pikachu colored Pichu Gamestop is giving away or is it just for the event in HG/SS?

    Figured I'd ask since we're on the topic of illegitimate pokemon and hacked event mon

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  • SixfortyfiveSixfortyfive Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    RockinX wrote: »

    While there are a lot of illegal IV spreads for wild Pokemon, I'm not sure if there's a way to tell if a bred Pokemon's IVs have been hacked. Maybe if it's shiny, because I imagine that it'd still be pretty rare to get perfect IV shiny Pokemon even if both parents have perfect IVs as well.

    Wait, you can abuse the RNG, yet you think it's rare to get flawless shiny eggs? How? flawless shinies are a common sight on Smogon and there are even hex-flawless around (those are significantly less common, but they're still there. Some douches even reject Breeding Projects if they don't have 31 in everything despite being being specialized in only one of the attacks).
    By "rare," I mean that flawless shinies would probably not be something you could get any day of the year. You'd probably still have to time travel a little bit (set your DS date forward/backward) to get to a date where an all-31 shiny of a specific nature is possible to obtain.

    So what I'm saying is that it could be possible to check for shiny hacks by checking the date it was obtained and the trainer's secret ID. Just a hunch though, as I haven't worked out the probabilities on any of this at all.

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  • KayKay What we need... Is a little bit of PANIC.Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Jars wrote: »
    Kay wrote: »
    Jars wrote: »
    Giritana is ghost/dragon. Electric/dragon with levitate would be pretty amazing I think. Water/dragon is probably the strongest overall though(see palkia).

    Tethys (my Kingdra) would also like a word with you. Also, Nerdgasmic's Blackthorn. (Which is Tethys' brother.) I think some other siblings are out there, and God only knows how many Starmie-spawn I've thrown around here.

    Kingdra is held back by average stats. If it was a 600 bst dragon that thing would be uber so fast it would make garchomp's head spin.

    The thing with Kingdra is that it's stats aren't specialised, and they're not that much lower than say, Mew or Shaymin or whatever. The lower Speed is negated by Swift Swim, and given that it has 95 in Atk/Def/SpAtk/SpDef, you never know what it's going to be built for - it can do bulk, sweeper... and with that typing, yeah.

    Also, the improvements to its moveset were great. It has a very strong presence in Smogon's OU now.

    But yeah, Palkia is better.

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  • ZythonZython Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Can you tell if a poke's parents are hacked?

    What's to stop someone from hacking a perfect ditto and a perfect whatever and then breeding until they get a perfect or near perfect mon?

    The game itself won't allow that.

    Parents at best pass on 1-2 stats each and even that isn't 100%. Nature and specific moves are the only guarantees in breeding

    I've been out of the Pokeloop for a while, is there a way to pass nature other than an everstoned Ditto? If not, then wouldn't nature and move inheritance be mutually exclusive?

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  • RockinXRockinX Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    RockinX wrote: »

    While there are a lot of illegal IV spreads for wild Pokemon, I'm not sure if there's a way to tell if a bred Pokemon's IVs have been hacked. Maybe if it's shiny, because I imagine that it'd still be pretty rare to get perfect IV shiny Pokemon even if both parents have perfect IVs as well.

    Wait, you can abuse the RNG, yet you think it's rare to get flawless shiny eggs? How? flawless shinies are a common sight on Smogon and there are even hex-flawless around (those are significantly less common, but they're still there. Some douches even reject Breeding Projects if they don't have 31 in everything despite being being specialized in only one of the attacks).
    By "rare," I mean that flawless shinies would probably not be something you could get any day of the year. You'd probably still have to time travel a little bit (set your DS date forward/backward) to get to a date where an all-31 shiny of a specific nature is possible to obtain.

    So what I'm saying is that it could be possible to check for shiny hacks by checking the date it was obtained and the trainer's secret ID. Just a hunch though, as I haven't worked out the probabilities on any of this at all.
    Well, according to a Youtube video I saw once, all you have to do is check it with Pokesav to see if it has a bit of data that determines whether it's shiny or not.

    Shininess on eggs can be forced in DPPt (in HGSS, too, apparently, but I don't know the specifics) by abusing the RNG and doing a specific amount of taps and coin flips. It will make the egg come with the exact nature, ability, gender and shininess or not that you chose when you determined your seed. So shiny eggs are actually the easiest thing to do when you abuse the RNG, provided you have international parents. If you don't, it's still possible, but it will take many more taps.

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  • SixfortyfiveSixfortyfive Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Oh yeah, duh. I forgot that shininess is set before you even pick up the egg, so you could obtain it on any date.

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  • RockinXRockinX Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    It is locked to the trainer's ID, however, so if you trade it to another game, it will appear shiny when it hatches, but when you check the status screen, it won't be.

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  • silence1186silence1186 Character shields down! As a wingmanRegistered User regular
    edited January 2010
    RockinX wrote: »

    While there are a lot of illegal IV spreads for wild Pokemon, I'm not sure if there's a way to tell if a bred Pokemon's IVs have been hacked. Maybe if it's shiny, because I imagine that it'd still be pretty rare to get perfect IV shiny Pokemon even if both parents have perfect IVs as well.

    Wait, you can abuse the RNG, yet you think it's rare to get flawless shiny eggs? How? flawless shinies are a common sight on Smogon and there are even hex-flawless around (those are significantly less common, but they're still there. Some douches even reject Breeding Projects if they don't have 31 in everything despite being being specialized in only one of the attacks).

    Hex-flawless?

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  • RockinXRockinX Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    RockinX wrote: »

    While there are a lot of illegal IV spreads for wild Pokemon, I'm not sure if there's a way to tell if a bred Pokemon's IVs have been hacked. Maybe if it's shiny, because I imagine that it'd still be pretty rare to get perfect IV shiny Pokemon even if both parents have perfect IVs as well.

    Wait, you can abuse the RNG, yet you think it's rare to get flawless shiny eggs? How? flawless shinies are a common sight on Smogon and there are even hex-flawless around (those are significantly less common, but they're still there. Some douches even reject Breeding Projects if they don't have 31 in everything despite being being specialized in only one of the attacks).

    Hex-flawless?

    Six 31s.

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  • BugBoyBugBoy boy.EXE has stopped functioning. only bugs remainRegistered User regular
    edited January 2010
    All this talk of hacking reminds me of the time I got BadEGG on my Ruby. Has anyone else had that happen to them? It was really odd. The nintendo customer service guy I talked to insisted that I must have either hacked or traded with someone who had. The strange thing was that I hadn't done either.

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  • RockinXRockinX Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Maybe you turned your game off when it was saving or something.

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  • BugBoyBugBoy boy.EXE has stopped functioning. only bugs remainRegistered User regular
    edited January 2010
    RockinX wrote: »
    Maybe you turned your game off when it was saving or something.
    That sounds plausible. It also could have been the time I accidentally let the game go through the wash. Either way, it weirded me out, and it almost bugged the game for good.

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  • RockinXRockinX Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Remoraid - #223 (Quiet): 31 / 31 / 5 - 7 / 31 / 31 / 31

    FFFFFFFF

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  • SkulkrakenSkulkraken Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    RockinX wrote: »
    Remoraid - #223 (Quiet): 31 / 31 / 5 - 7 / 31 / 31 / 31

    FFFFFFFF

    Wait, why is it "FFFFFFFF" that a mon has perfect IVs in all but one stat?

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  • King RiptorKing Riptor Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    BugBoy wrote: »
    All this talk of hacking reminds me of the time I got BadEGG on my Ruby. Has anyone else had that happen to them? It was really odd. The nintendo customer service guy I talked to insisted that I must have either hacked or traded with someone who had. The strange thing was that I hadn't done either.

    Bad Eggs can pop up randomly in that gen especially if you trade alot or if the game itself has trouble reading certain data due to a dirt build up or what have you. I had a gameshark almost exclusively to get rid of them.

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  • RockinXRockinX Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Skulkraken wrote: »
    RockinX wrote: »
    Remoraid - #223 (Quiet): 31 / 31 / 5 - 7 / 31 / 31 / 31

    FFFFFFFF

    Wait, why is it "FFFFFFFF" that a mon has perfect IVs in all but one stat?

    It's Quiet, so that 31 in speed is useless and if that 5-7 in defense had swapped places with speed, it would have been ideal.

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  • RockinXRockinX Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    BugBoy wrote: »
    All this talk of hacking reminds me of the time I got BadEGG on my Ruby. Has anyone else had that happen to them? It was really odd. The nintendo customer service guy I talked to insisted that I must have either hacked or traded with someone who had. The strange thing was that I hadn't done either.

    Bad Eggs can pop up randomly in that gen especially if you trade alot or if the game itself has trouble reading certain data due to a dirt build up or what have you. I had a gameshark almost exclusively to get rid of them.

    Really? I'm guessing they fixed that in FRLG and Emerald.

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  • METAzraeLMETAzraeL Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Oh is there anything special about that Pikachu colored Pichu Gamestop is giving away or is it just for the event in HG/SS?

    Figured I'd ask since we're on the topic of illegitimate pokemon and hacked event mon
    I don't even understand how the colour is different.

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  • BugBoyBugBoy boy.EXE has stopped functioning. only bugs remainRegistered User regular
    edited January 2010
    METAzraeL wrote: »
    I don't even understand how the colour is different.
    The pichu is a "shiny" pokemon, AKA "alternate colored". When finding pokemon in the wild, there is an extremely low chance (about 1 in 8192) that one will be found that is a different color than is normal for that species. It will also sparkle when it enters battle, hence the name. Although these pokemon are so rare that many haven't seen them, this pichu is guaranteed to be shiny. It's called the "pikachu-colored" pichu because pichu's shiny form gives it the color scheme of a pikachu.

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  • AdelliosAdellios Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    METAzraeL wrote: »
    Oh is there anything special about that Pikachu colored Pichu Gamestop is giving away or is it just for the event in HG/SS?

    Figured I'd ask since we're on the topic of illegitimate pokemon and hacked event mon
    I don't even understand how the colour is different.

    It's an easy to get shiny, and it has Endure and Endeavor which Pichu wouldn't normally know. (A FEAP?) The HGSS event just has the unique Pain Split.

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  • OpiumOpium regular
    edited January 2010
    It doesn't have to stay a Pikachu-Colored Pichu to trigger the Spiky-Eared Pichu event, though. You can have it evolve into Raichu-Colored Pikachu or Kuraichu-Colored (don't ask) Raichu and still trigger the event. Proof:

    eventcutscene.png

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  • OpiumOpium regular
    edited January 2010
    Oh my.
    1264757635800.jpg

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