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Happies, Hates, Hopes and Preparation H

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  • bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Hate: not knowing what toon to level next

    Happy: being ICC10 ready in a matter of days from hitting 80 and no one has a god damned excuse why they aren't ready to go in anymore with the LFD tool. I mean fuck, come on people.

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  • OhtsamOhtsam Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    bowen wrote: »
    Hate: not knowing what toon to level next

    Happy: being ICC10 ready in a matter of days from hitting 80 and no one has a god damned excuse why they aren't ready to go in anymore with the LFD tool. I mean fuck, come on people.

    LFD tool or not it can still take a while to run that many dungeons.

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  • bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Took us 5 days to gear a tank to be ICC10 ready. She hit 80 on 2/4 and had storming the citadel and I've gone and made a mess on 2/9. We only started getting gear from FoS/PoS/HoR a day or two before that (none really dropped though).

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  • PierceNeckPierceNeck Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Oh so it was a group effort and not like... a pure dps trying to gear up by themselves?

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  • bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    If by group effort you meant me, then yes.

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  • PierceNeckPierceNeck Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    "Took us 5 days to gear a tank to be ICC10 ready." got it in my head that it was a guild group or something.

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  • ForarForar #432 Toronto, Ontario, CanadaRegistered User regular
    edited February 2010
    bowen wrote: »
    If by group effort you meant me, then yes.

    And what role did you play?

    'Cause a solo dps queue'ing is going to sit around with their thumb up their ass a pretty hefty chunk of time.

    I really, really hope this leads to more hybrids queueing as tanks and healers. Look, ladies, gentlemen, I know that nobody wants to fill those roles, but the more of you that do, the more groups we're going to get off the ground.

    I'm doing my part; 4 tanks and 2 healers all up in the queues. The pure dps classes just get called into active duty when I've already attended to the others.

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  • bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Nah it was me and occasionally my friend. I tanked/dpsed depending on what we headed into.

    There was a healer that was leveling with her that's also geared for ICC10 at the moment, but if anything it encourages people to fill a roll besides "faceroller." Yes, I know, there are some dps that are good at dps, so please spare me that tirade.

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  • drhazarddrhazard Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    FightTest wrote: »
    815165 wrote: »
    Hate: Was kicked from a heroic earlier on my Shaman for healing in full elemental triumph gear, while resto specced.

    What the poop?

    This shit is really dumb. My moonkin is in triumph badge/heroic gear mostly and even spec'd moonkin I never have problems healing when our real healer does something dumb and dies. I can drop form and heal just fine while we're short a person with no real healing talents or gear. Spellpower is enough when you're not doing srs bsns content.

    I've actually been surprised at how easy it is to keep people up. Sometimes I'll be like "oh shit healer died" and it turns into "wow I didn't even really have to try and could still throw some dps while doing this."

    How do you think the healer feels when they get a very decent tank? I've taken to trying to out-DPS the lowest DPS we have on most runs. Hell, if it's VH then all I ever do is throw a shield and POM up and go to town on some dragons.

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  • ForarForar #432 Toronto, Ontario, CanadaRegistered User regular
    edited February 2010
    bowen wrote: »
    Nah it was me and occasionally my friend. I tanked/dpsed depending on what we headed into.

    There was a healer that was leveling with her that's also geared for ICC10 at the moment, but if anything it encourages people to fill a roll besides "faceroller." Yes, I know, there are some dps that are good at dps, so please spare me that tirade.

    Eh, I just don't think "I did it in 5 days, it's totally doable!" is necessarily true for the population at large. Having a tank (or just a second person of decent gear and/or skill) helps a lot, but that's not always an option for everyone. It's impressive, but I'd peg that at above and beyond the call of duty, rather than simply being the status quo.

    And you'll get no argument from me on facerolling. Based on gear, skill and effort discrepancies, I'm happy as long as a group has at least one dps pushing good numbers and the others aren't being completely decimated by the tank. Getting 3 quality dps in the same group is pretty rare, in my experience.

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  • TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    It also depends on what heroics you get and what drops. If no tanking gear shows up in the ICC instances, you're dealing with all badge and crafted stuff, and probably a not as nice weapon.

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  • ForarForar #432 Toronto, Ontario, CanadaRegistered User regular
    edited February 2010
    It also depends on what heroics you get and what drops. If no tanking gear shows up in the ICC instances, you're dealing with all badge and crafted stuff, and probably a not as nice weapon.

    That too.

    The RNG bending them over a table and ravaging them like a ... stuffed goose? NO WAI!

    One nice thing about having a slightly lower gear level, however, is the freedom to put pieces to double use. As noted earlier, I snagged some epic plate dps bracers on my Deathknight which had like 50 more stamina on them than my "tanking" rare ones, and the small loss of Defense was easily covered due to being already slightly over the cap with my inscribed Rune.

    I'll be happy if my alts are all at least TOC capable in the coming weeks, but getting them all up to ICC levels would take a minor act of god, or about 300 hours of straight heroics, I imagine.

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  • SegSeg Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Forar wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    Nah it was me and occasionally my friend. I tanked/dpsed depending on what we headed into.

    There was a healer that was leveling with her that's also geared for ICC10 at the moment, but if anything it encourages people to fill a roll besides "faceroller." Yes, I know, there are some dps that are good at dps, so please spare me that tirade.

    Eh, I just don't think "I did it in 5 days, it's totally doable!" is necessarily true for the population at large. Having a tank (or just a second person of decent gear and/or skill) helps a lot, but that's not always an option for everyone. It's impressive, but I'd peg that at above and beyond the call of duty, rather than simply being the status quo.

    And you'll get no argument from me on facerolling. Based on gear, skill and effort discrepancies, I'm happy as long as a group has at least one dps pushing good numbers and the others aren't being completely decimated by the tank. Getting 3 quality dps in the same group is pretty rare, in my experience.

    I was once in a H-HoS run where the tank was doing over 3k dps. I was still mostly in blues, the tank was using part DPS gear and part tank gear. (Paladin tank who almost always had something hitting them.)

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  • SegSeg Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Forar wrote: »
    It also depends on what heroics you get and what drops. If no tanking gear shows up in the ICC instances, you're dealing with all badge and crafted stuff, and probably a not as nice weapon.

    That too.

    The RNG bending them over a table and ravaging them like a ... stuffed goose? NO WAI!

    One nice thing about having a slightly lower gear level, however, is the freedom to put pieces to double use. As noted earlier, I snagged some epic plate dps bracers on my Deathknight which had like 50 more stamina on them than my "tanking" rare ones, and the small loss of Defense was easily covered due to being already slightly over the cap with my inscribed Rune.

    I'll be happy if my alts are all at least TOC capable in the coming weeks, but getting them all up to ICC levels would take a minor act of god, or about 300 hours of straight heroics, I imagine.

    Trying to farm non-heroics at 80 for specific items is a bit of a pain. Long waits as a tank for normal ToC has really put me off trying to farm Black Heart.

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  • bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Forar wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    Nah it was me and occasionally my friend. I tanked/dpsed depending on what we headed into.

    There was a healer that was leveling with her that's also geared for ICC10 at the moment, but if anything it encourages people to fill a roll besides "faceroller." Yes, I know, there are some dps that are good at dps, so please spare me that tirade.

    Eh, I just don't think "I did it in 5 days, it's totally doable!" is necessarily true for the population at large. Having a tank (or just a second person of decent gear and/or skill) helps a lot, but that's not always an option for everyone. It's impressive, but I'd peg that at above and beyond the call of duty, rather than simply being the status quo.

    And you'll get no argument from me on facerolling. Based on gear, skill and effort discrepancies, I'm happy as long as a group has at least one dps pushing good numbers and the others aren't being completely decimated by the tank. Getting 3 quality dps in the same group is pretty rare, in my experience.

    More or less, but there are people that have been complaining since Ulduar about not being ready for raids and for them I have no sympathy. Especially now. Even if I hadn't had helped it would've taken a few more days tops. Most of her gear is badge gear anyways.

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  • PierceNeckPierceNeck Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    I would cut new pure dps classes some slack though. 15-20 minute queues, plus 15-20 minutes per dungeon... not really getting many in a night. Unless you have all day to play or something.

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  • bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Yeah that's completely understandable.

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  • DranythDranyth Surf ColoradoRegistered User regular
    edited February 2010
    The earlier discussion does remind me of the Elemental Shaman I had healing my Pally tank in H UP the other night. I don't think anyone even died during the run and he put out right around 4k DPS while healing. He completely smoked the other DPS that run.


    As far as the randoms and hybrids discussion... I've been Enhancement Shamaning mostly the past few nights, rather than Healing. I've healed *sooo* many damn Heroics prior that it's a bit of a break. Not to mention that I usually queue with a couple friends that typically include at *least* a healer, if not also the tank. So we can pretty much do whatever we want in a reasonably short amount of time.

    Right after my healer friend came back, my Enhancement set wasn't quite done yet, so I made him DPS while I continued healing. Now my Enhancement set is good and his Healing set has been improving, so he's been healing while I DPS. Much like the old days actually... I should probably see if he wants to swap sometimes, seems he usually doesn't mind though.


    Of course, I also do a daily on my Prot Pally still, and my Arcane Mage, so that's another DPS queue I have to wait for.

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  • Seattle ThreadSeattle Thread Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    I've freaked a few groups out by switching to enhancement a few pulls in, after I've gauged the tank's durability. Most recently was with a fury warrior who was a meter queen... he was not happy about the healer beating him in DPS.

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  • DranythDranyth Surf ColoradoRegistered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Makershot wrote: »
    I've freaked a few groups out by switching to enhancement a few pulls in, after I've gauged the tank's durability. Most recently was with a fury warrior who was a meter queen... he was not happy about the healer beating him in DPS.

    My Enhancement gear is quite good, so I've nearly been tempted to try something like this sometime... don't think I would in the ICC5 mans at all. But otherwise what do you do, spend Maelstrom Weapon stacks on Chain Heal and such mostly?

    Speaking of Maelstrom, have you noticed how *ridiculously* streaky the stack building is? My god it's insane. Sometimes you'll be beating on a boss for 20 seconds to get a full stack, sometimes you can barely fire the bolts off fast enough.


    Oh, and Hate: H PoS continues to screw me. No Mail leggings from Ick for my Resto set, no Band of Stained Souls from Tyrannus for my other Enhancement ring. Gah.

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  • TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    I'd love to switch to ret to heal/dps my way through instances, but it seems like the moment I switch, everybody, even guildy tanks who are nearly impervious to pulling 15 heroic mobs at a time suddenly start taking asstons of damage.

    So I switch back holy and suddenly I'm back to casting 1 flash of light every 20 seconds and reading forums while on follow.

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  • GooseyGooseGooseyGoose Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Makershot wrote: »
    I've freaked a few groups out by switching to enhancement a few pulls in, after I've gauged the tank's durability. Most recently was with a fury warrior who was a meter queen... he was not happy about the healer beating him in DPS.

    I'm a tank, and I've yet to run into a healer that's tried to put out a meaningful amount of dps. To put it in perspective, I've got about 600 triumphs to date, and I hit 80 a little after the LFG tool came out. I've got 42k self buffed, have mostly ilvl 245 and above, and I don't have a case of the bads. To my credit, I double and triple pull, and am off to the next group before the current group is finished. Maybe healers are afraid to dps because I am pulling much more than is standard, and they don't want me to die.

    To the healers that do try and dps. Do you do it when the tank is well geared but pulling slowly? Would you do it in my case where I'm pulling several groups at a time?

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  • TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    I tend not to even try it for most bear tanks, since they seem to take spikier damage. I'd certainly do it on a well geared single/double pack puller. Depending on the mobs, and the healer trying to dps, cutting down the number of groups you pull at once, but adding another 3-5k dps might end up being faster than a huge pull with the healer healing.

    In my holy spec I can pull off about 1.5k with seal of corruption up. I do that on some boss fights since people often take less damage from those.

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  • TyberiusTyberius Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Makershot wrote: »
    I've freaked a few groups out by switching to enhancement a few pulls in, after I've gauged the tank's durability. Most recently was with a fury warrior who was a meter queen... he was not happy about the healer beating him in DPS.

    I'm a tank, and I've yet to run into a healer that's tried to put out a meaningful amount of dps. To put it in perspective, I've got about 600 triumphs to date, and I hit 80 a little after the LFG tool came out. I've got 42k self buffed, have mostly ilvl 245 and above, and I don't have a case of the bads. To my credit, I double and triple pull, and am off to the next group before the current group is finished. Maybe healers are afraid to dps because I am pulling much more than is standard, and they don't want me to die.

    To the healers that do try and dps. Do you do it when the tank is well geared but pulling slowly? Would you do it in my case where I'm pulling several groups at a time?

    As a Prot Pally running randoms with Beasts or PuGs I still do standard pulls or double pulls encouraging my healer to go DPS. I find it faster with the 4th DPSer burning through the standard pulls than pulling 3 or 4 groups and AoEing them down (ezcept for the rare occasions I have 3 ICC geared DPSers. But most normal heroics self-Sacred Shield is enough on the trash.

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  • TheCrumblyCrackerTheCrumblyCracker Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Hilarious: 25m BQ attempts last nigt. First attempt we lose our first nibble because the Warrior was tunneling and did not move for the Pact.

    Second attempt a DK runs AWAY from the group, then turns around and starts s keying.
    This is when he "disconnects" and comes back on 5 minutes later apologizing if he messed up because he had DC'd.

    People need to own up to their mistakes, it would make me respect them more, if at all in some cases.

    Hate: That female druid I was bitching about 20 pages ago? She no longer raids. Sigh..

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  • NaphtaliNaphtali Hazy + Flow SeaRegistered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Hilarious: 25m BQ attempts last nigt. First attempt we lose our first nibble because the Warrior was tunneling and did not move for the Pact.

    Second attempt a DK runs AWAY from the group, then turns around and starts s keying.
    This is when he "disconnects" and comes back on 5 minutes later apologizing if he messed up because he had DC'd.

    People need to own up to their mistakes, it would make me respect them more, if at all in some cases.

    Hate: That female druid I was bitching about 20 pages ago? She no longer raids. Sigh..

    Well hey, she can't win anymore loot over you through officer favoritism anymore if she doesn't raid right? :?

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  • DranythDranyth Surf ColoradoRegistered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Eh, my Resto DPS is *pretty* bad overall. I mean, I'll toss a Flame Shock (hope it doesn't get resisted) and throw a Lava Burst, then try to spam as many comparatively slow Lightning Bolts as I can, but none of them hit very hard. On fights where it's worth Bloodlusting, I've managed around 1.1k-1.6k DPS depending on group makeup.

    But if I'm *not* Resto, I don't have nearly as much time to try to DPS, as I don't have broken Earth Shield doing most of my work and things like that.

    Like I said, I may have to try Enhancement Healing at some point, but it sounds a bit nerve wracking. Especially since while I'm DPSing, I'm a ridiculous threat magnet. Honestly, it feels like I put out *waaay* more threat than my damage is really worth, considering the lack of threat drops or good panic buttons.

    That said, I can offtank reasonably well if the healer is on the ball, one mob at a time anyway. Even if that mob is the ice Revenant in the Ice Cave in H PoS, hitting me for like half my health each hit... Damn that tank couldn't hold things off me, and that healer was damn good. I did give him props for that.

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  • TheCrumblyCrackerTheCrumblyCracker Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Well hey, she can't win anymore loot over you through officer favoritism anymore if she doesn't raid right?
    . Yeah, I know. But it also means that everything she did managed to grab is now going to waste.. why do people use officer loot systems. I mean, they should let robots do that shit. People are too easily swayed. Warlock got gkicked for calling her out on monday.

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  • ForarForar #432 Toronto, Ontario, CanadaRegistered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Look at it this way; for all the lost loot she has rotting on her character, she won't be hoovering up any more loot, and the later into the instances you go, the better it is.

    So, like, you've paid your figurative dues with some good shit, but now her absence will let other people get well deserved upgrades.

    It's small consolation that the good stuff would've been put to better use in other hands, but gear can be replaced, be it through badges, crafted stuff or drops. What I'm saying is that having a quality person with lesser gear is a better state for your raid/guild, because gear can and will improve, but a dead weight useless player will drag you down no matter how well geared.

    That better player will strive harder and prevent wipes. "Bads" cause wipes that should've been kills.

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  • TheCrumblyCrackerTheCrumblyCracker Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Oh for sure, I am just really angsty about it. That and saurfang has dropped crap for the last month (:. It's just nice to not have any real blatant favouritism in raids anymore.

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  • Thomase1984Thomase1984 Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Week 10: No daggers, no ik's, no rings, no necks, no backs, no weapons of any kind.

    Happy: Got my 4p t10 after a lucky question spawn after gunship trash and posted a modest 10.7k on saurfang. Not bad for 5 man daggers ;(

    Happy: Rotation becomes a little more interesting for mutilate. Seeing 3-4 extra cps pop up is confusing at times. May need to find a new numerical point tracker.

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  • EnderEnder Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Happy: got the bracers from HPoS for my hunter. Now all I need are boots, belt, and trinket!

    Hate: WTF is up with the /lfd system? My hunter has much better gear than my healer pally, but can't get into H HoR. I do have a bad trinket, but seriously? One trinket? How much 232 gear do you need to gather to counteract that? On top of that, my pally has just as bad items, but can queue. Grr.

    Sigh: Can't decide which character to put time into. I like the hunter a lot, but the queue times are annoying. Wouldn't mind healing, but not sure if I should do the pally with good gear, or the shammy with meh gear. I kinda prefer the pally healing, but I'm not a fan of ret. Shammy healing is still a little confusing for me, but do enjoy elemental a lot. Bah.

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  • DranythDranyth Surf ColoradoRegistered User regular
    edited February 2010
    And you've turned in the quest to Sylvannas at the end of PoS already, huh? That does seem strange that it won't let you in...

    Shaman healing is easy. Earth Shield the tank, drop Healing Stream totem, then go browse the forums.

    On a boss, pay a little more attention.

    Granted, this happens more as you get good gear, but still.

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  • TheCrumblyCrackerTheCrumblyCracker Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Week 10: No daggers, no ik's, no rings, no necks, no backs, no weapons of any kind.

    Happy: Got my 4p t10 after a lucky question spawn after gunship trash and posted a modest 10.7k on saurfang. Not bad for 5 man daggers ;(

    Happy: Rotation becomes a little more interesting for mutilate. Seeing 3-4 extra cps pop up is confusing at times. May need to find a new numerical point tracker.

    I thought the 4 piece t10 was lackluster for mutilate. For combat it's pretty blaah.. like a 50 DPS gain or something really bad. And it forces both specs to use pieces that they really don't need (ArP or no ArP)

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  • EnderEnder Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Dranyth wrote: »
    And you've turned in the quest to Sylvannas at the end of PoS already, huh? That does seem strange that it won't let you in...

    Shaman healing is easy. Earth Shield the tank, drop Healing Stream totem, then go browse the forums.

    On a boss, pay a little more attention.

    Granted, this happens more as you get good gear, but still.

    Yeah, I have the quest for HoR. Just can't queue to the heroic version. I seriously wonder if my ilvl167 trinket is the problem. Maybe it won't queue you in with an item at that low of level? Srsly, it should use average item level...so goddamn stupid.

    And yeah, my shammy has some pretty bad gear, most of it's elem gear, and I heal even bad pugs in heroics just fine. :P

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  • SaerisSaeris Borb Enthusiast flapflapflapflapRegistered User regular
    edited February 2010
    I believe it does use average item level, but also has a minimum limit. It's almost certainly your trinket that is the problem.

    Which is bloody moronic, because you can heal heroic HoR in level 70 healing gear as long as the rest of your group is competent. Admittedly, that's a rarity.

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  • EnderEnder Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    You know, if it's gonna pull stupid shit like that, it really really should ignore trinkets.

    Because there are only a small handful of trinkets that are available at higher levels. I think there's 2 187 trinkets. Everything else is raid-level.

    Sure, I could buy the triumph badge trinket. If my hunter weren't already 80 hit rating over the cap. Yes, what I need is 200 hit rating over the cap, or about double what I fucking need, just to get into a heroic.

    Facepalm and shit.

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  • DranythDranyth Surf ColoradoRegistered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Could trade down and nab the Mirror of Truth I guess.

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  • SegSeg Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Ender wrote: »
    You know, if it's gonna pull stupid shit like that, it really really should ignore trinkets.

    Because there are only a small handful of trinkets that are available at higher levels. I think there's 2 187 trinkets. Everything else is raid-level.

    Sure, I could buy the triumph badge trinket. If my hunter weren't already 80 hit rating over the cap. Yes, what I need is 200 hit rating over the cap, or about double what I fucking need, just to get into a heroic.

    Facepalm and shit.

    Take your higher ilvl trinket and pop it into the slot your 167 trinket it is in. Then check the LFD system again.'

    edit: I don't think it checks the gear you are wearing, I think it checks the superior and epic achievements.

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  • martinimartini Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Do some WG and get the trinket with 140 AP? Edit: honestly though, the Mirror of Truth is a damn good trinket, if you have lots of badges I'd buy it, I'm sure it's a huge upgrade from the ilvl167 one you have.

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