Everyone should need on them now for sure since everyone definitely gets use out of them now. Greed made sense when they were worthless and if someone needed then it wasn't a big deal, but now that the orb's worth 20-40g after being traded in, everyone should just get over it and need.
A lot of times you can tell who is going to roll need on the orb because they have been a silly goose the entire run. Looks like I better unload my frost lotus now.
So last night I log in on my mostly fresh 80 dk, see a guy saying he's a dps looking for a group for the valentines boss. Neat! I think. I can grab the necklaces. So I invite him, and say "man I've been trying to a find a group for this for days"
"dps or tank?"
"tank"
"No wonder you can't find a group, a tank with 25k hp?"
so then I go on a long rant about how mages can tank these bosses and it was more an issue of nobody wanting to do it. So i get a healer from guild, another guy from trade chat. Me and my guildie are almost at the stone, when both the pugs leave without a word.
But it's ok. My wife joined us, and within 15 minutes between my dk, and 2 of their alts, we'd done 5 summons, gotten my dk both a tanking and dps necklace, my wife an oozeling, and the guildie a gas mask on each toon.
I took great pleasure in linking the oozeling to the guy who dropped.
I did the holiday boss with a resto druid in caster form tanking. No pet though. I'm pretty tired of the only pets I am missing being 1% drop holiday ones.
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Why would you tell people you're needing them? Everyone needs them, right? When you're playing your Rogue, do you also announce that you're applying poison to your weapons?
Speaking of that...how's poison work now?
I could swear it was a skill you learned...did that change?
Rogues just buy poisons from a vendor now, rather than having a skill they needed to level in order to brew them themselves from vendor bought materials.
Rogues just buy poisons from a vendor now, rather than having a skill they needed to level in order to brew them themselves from vendor bought materials.
Okay, I was getting hassled in a dungeon about not having poisons the other day and just assumed I hadn't learned the skill yet.
So, as of the last day of the Valentine's event, the mount has allegedly not dropped even one time, for anyone on my server, as people are still claiming to get disconnected if they try to link the item.
Upon checking wowhead, it is apparently about a 1/3000 droprate, since there have been 11 recorded drops out of over 28,000 recorded kills.
A 1/3000 droprate on something that most players will be able to attempt a maximum of 70 times per year. In groups of five, no less, so that the effective chance of a given player getting the mount on any given kill is about 1 in 15,000. With 70 attempts per year for the average player.
Sounds similar to Ashes of Al'ar. You could only attempt to get that 52 times per year. And then compete against 5 times as many people for it if it did drop.
Two dropped on my server. A male blood elf has one and I thought how fitting. I didn't see it, though I don't care about the mount. I was far more interested in the pet, which didn't drop.
Sounds similar to Ashes of Al'ar. You could only attempt to get that 52 times per year. And then compete against 5 times as many people for it if it did drop.
Except the Ashes have about a 1 in 50 droprate as opposed to 1 in 3000. Even taking into account rolling against five times as many people as well as slightly fewer attempts per year (and disregarding the fact that at this point it's possible to do that fight with 10-15 people rather than the full 25), you can still reasonably expect to get the Ashes to drop nearly ten times before you ever see the Rocket.
That is absurd.
Edit: I mean, think about how often you actually see someone flying around on the phoenix mount. Now ponder the fact that they have made this festive holiday mount nearly ten times as rare, to the point that some servers will not see a single one drop until maybe next year.
So, as of the last day of the Valentine's event, the mount has allegedly not dropped even one time, for anyone on my server, as people are still claiming to get disconnected if they try to link the item.
Upon checking wowhead, it is apparently about a 1/3000 droprate, since there have been 11 recorded drops out of over 28,000 recorded kills.
A 1/3000 droprate on something that most players will be able to attempt a maximum of 70 times per year. In groups of five, no less, so that the effective chance of a given player getting the mount on any given kill is about 1 in 15,000. With 70 attempts per year for the average player.
So I've recently begun tanking in my DPS gear, tank spec and Defensive Stance, using a 1.5 speed DPS weapon I got from ICC because no-one else wanted it.
I'm hitting up to 3k DPS as a Warrior tank and still sitting comfortably at over 30k health. It's pretty wonderful.
I understand the need to make some items rare, but the rocket isn't even farmable for the incredibly dedicated.
Yeah. You'd think holiday drops would be rare enough, since they require you being on a certain day of a certain year. Everybody had Clockwork Rocket Bots that one Christmas, but wait a couple years and pull one out and you get tells of, 'Where'd you get that!'
'Low drop rate'-rare and 'Logged on during a certain day'-rare are both rare enough as is. We don't need to combine them.
The more common the mount is the less people are inclined to get it. I didn't spend 3 months in zg for something everyone has.
There's diminishing returns on that though. If the mount is super rare--as in this case--people get discouraged and don't even bother. Getting SFK groups all week has been like pulling teeth and every day I end up with at least one person where it's their first time. This is because very few people are bothering to farm it due to the high chance of not seeing any special loot at all in the span of 5 summons so getting repeat visitors is much less likely. Contrast this to the Horseman or Brewfest events which are really easy to get a group for even though they require an actual tank because people see the special items dropping at least once a day.
The crap from Horseman was ilvl 200 epics and people still ran it tons. It's all about being baited by relatively frequent appearances of the special items that kept people going. With the SFK boss people got discouraged when they did it X days in a row without a single special item dropping, let alone not having the "I want that!" aspect of it since the rocket is so rare that many servers don't even have one at all.
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Brewfest also had trinkets. The neckpieces from SFK are on par or worse than what you can get from a ToC5.
Toc5 is ilevel 219. The Conquest/Valentines amulets are ilevel 226. Stat allocation is of course slightly different so for some specs, the ToC amulets might be better.
I don't like it when Blizzard puts TCG stuff in the game through other means, so I'm fine with the rocket drop rate. 11 recorded on wowhead is still too many for me.
I think both Brewfest and Halloween were more "successful", because you could just zerg them. You could fail on the Valentines bosses if you didn't follow the mechanics.
The ToC amulets have sockets. At least some of them do.
Also, the problem with world events is that there is often no way to know about them unless you happen to be perusing through the in-game calendar. The MOTD when you load in is followed by so much other bullshit it gets pushed off the screen. I didn't even know it was Lunar Festival until I happened to go help a guildmate with Thunderaan and see an Elder standing in the middle of nowhere.
The ToC amulets have sockets. At least some of them do.
Also, the problem with world events is that there is often no way to know about them unless you happen to be perusing through the in-game calendar. The MOTD when you load in is followed by so much other bullshit it gets pushed off the screen. I didn't even know it was Lunar Festival until I happened to go help a guildmate with Thunderaan and see an Elder standing in the middle of nowhere.
I don't understand this as a problem. Elder's is basically the only holiday that could potentially go unnoticed due to its overlapping with Valentines - you notice that cities are full of decorations and partying NPCs are standing around, but you assume it's for the one you already knew about.
I mean, it's MOTD, the cities are all decorated, crumb quests are everywhere, it's probably dated in both achievements and the in-game calendar, and it's all over the internet (including this thread). To be honest I wish it was easier to forget world events, now that I have Long Strange Trip.
EDIT: edited to use the exact same word you used, then. Same difference.
All holiday quests are set to your level so they show up on your minimap no matter what, meaning there's no way to not notice if you visit any major town during the holiday.
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This died down once everyone stopped caring who got the Frozen Orbs. Now we all roll Greed and if someone wants to ninja, who cares.
"dps or tank?"
"tank"
"No wonder you can't find a group, a tank with 25k hp?"
so then I go on a long rant about how mages can tank these bosses and it was more an issue of nobody wanting to do it. So i get a healer from guild, another guy from trade chat. Me and my guildie are almost at the stone, when both the pugs leave without a word.
But it's ok. My wife joined us, and within 15 minutes between my dk, and 2 of their alts, we'd done 5 summons, gotten my dk both a tanking and dps necklace, my wife an oozeling, and the guildie a gas mask on each toon.
I took great pleasure in linking the oozeling to the guy who dropped.
Was your guy a silly gold farmer? Just trying to get an idea here.
Speaking of that...how's poison work now?
I could swear it was a skill you learned...did that change?
Okay, I was getting hassled in a dungeon about not having poisons the other day and just assumed I hadn't learned the skill yet.
Upon checking wowhead, it is apparently about a 1/3000 droprate, since there have been 11 recorded drops out of over 28,000 recorded kills.
A 1/3000 droprate on something that most players will be able to attempt a maximum of 70 times per year. In groups of five, no less, so that the effective chance of a given player getting the mount on any given kill is about 1 in 15,000. With 70 attempts per year for the average player.
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Except the Ashes have about a 1 in 50 droprate as opposed to 1 in 3000. Even taking into account rolling against five times as many people as well as slightly fewer attempts per year (and disregarding the fact that at this point it's possible to do that fight with 10-15 people rather than the full 25), you can still reasonably expect to get the Ashes to drop nearly ten times before you ever see the Rocket.
That is absurd.
Edit: I mean, think about how often you actually see someone flying around on the phoenix mount. Now ponder the fact that they have made this festive holiday mount nearly ten times as rare, to the point that some servers will not see a single one drop until maybe next year.
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They didn't want everyone in the game having one.
I'm hitting up to 3k DPS as a Warrior tank and still sitting comfortably at over 30k health. It's pretty wonderful.
Yeah. You'd think holiday drops would be rare enough, since they require you being on a certain day of a certain year. Everybody had Clockwork Rocket Bots that one Christmas, but wait a couple years and pull one out and you get tells of, 'Where'd you get that!'
'Low drop rate'-rare and 'Logged on during a certain day'-rare are both rare enough as is. We don't need to combine them.
I don't think Blizzard meant for it to be farmable, I think they meant it as a silly prize that very few players will get.
You might have better odds with the TCG rocket.
Toc5 is ilevel 219. The Conquest/Valentines amulets are ilevel 226. Stat allocation is of course slightly different so for some specs, the ToC amulets might be better.
I don't like it when Blizzard puts TCG stuff in the game through other means, so I'm fine with the rocket drop rate. 11 recorded on wowhead is still too many for me.
I think both Brewfest and Halloween were more "successful", because you could just zerg them. You could fail on the Valentines bosses if you didn't follow the mechanics.
Also, the problem with world events is that there is often no way to know about them unless you happen to be perusing through the in-game calendar. The MOTD when you load in is followed by so much other bullshit it gets pushed off the screen. I didn't even know it was Lunar Festival until I happened to go help a guildmate with Thunderaan and see an Elder standing in the middle of nowhere.
I don't understand this as a problem. Elder's is basically the only holiday that could potentially go unnoticed due to its overlapping with Valentines - you notice that cities are full of decorations and partying NPCs are standing around, but you assume it's for the one you already knew about.
I mean, it's MOTD, the cities are all decorated, crumb quests are everywhere, it's probably dated in both achievements and the in-game calendar, and it's all over the internet (including this thread). To be honest I wish it was easier to forget world events, now that I have Long Strange Trip.
EDIT: edited to use the exact same word you used, then. Same difference.
Had to take the pic down. Gooses want to log onto my server and call me and my guildmates names all morning.