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  • SmokeStacksSmokeStacks Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    TekDragon wrote: »
    TekDragon


    You're breaking my heart

    Your heart? I wonder if we could break your account?

    Keep jumping into civil conversations and acting like a silly goose for the sole purpose of stirring up shit, maybe we'll find out.

    My password is "TekDragon".

    edit: If you're talking about my Steam account, do me a favor and buy me some games while you're logged in.

    SmokeStacks on
  • SpoitSpoit *twitch twitch* Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Smokestacks isn't the only silly goose here...

    Spoit on
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  • ButtcleftButtcleft Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    how come I cant register my copy of Sins of a solar empire I have 5 dollars its not asking for money
    the above is a joke i'm not stupid

    Buttcleft on
  • Ed321Ed321 Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    You're all so beautiful when you're angry.

    Ed321 on
  • XtarathXtarath Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Buttcleft wrote: »
    how come I cant register my copy of Sins of a solar empire I have 5 dollars its not asking for money
    the above is a joke i'm not stupid

    Hey Butt, what do you think Valve's policy should be concerning gaining the licenses for games? I'm sure you once went into a bakery or something, and that's roughly analogous to managing a digital distribution service.

    Xtarath on
  • subediisubedii Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    TekDragon wrote: »
    subedii wrote: »
    Porting back-catalogue stuff to Steam in those circumstances is chump change at best, even if you can presume it would be profitable. Convincing publishers to take that road isn't going to be easy in itself. I mean it's changing, recently Lucasarts put some of their old adventure games on Steam after years of finagling, but this isn't something that Valve has the power to dictate.

    I agree in large part with everything you wrote, but I wouldn't call it chump change. Publisher/developer teams have a very difficult time getting a AAA game to clear a profit - we've all seen the figures. $50, $60, $70 million budgets for big titles? They can only work on 1-2 of those titles at a time. Being able to go back in your past portfolio of games and take a nul-profit item and turn it into some easy money can go a long way to subsidizing big budget games that aren't a "guaranteed slam dunk". Lower risk for them means more diverse games for us.

    I was going to argue that Lucas Arts are notorious dicks when it comes to their adamantium grasp on any IP they own that has a shred of chance to still produce money - but then I realized EA isn't exactly the high school sweet heart of publishers either. There's no doubt Steam has to caress a lot of overblown egos and anal retentive legal councils. No doubt at all.

    I agree that some profit is better than none. Some of the rights holders have products that could easily make money even today, but aren't doing anything with them. There's all sorts of concerns. Even now piracy is still a huge issue, with publishers being of the mind that it's better to not release the product at all, than re-release it and make some money whilst suffering some piracy as well. It's almost as if by its very existence, piracy negates profits made. It's a nonsensical view, but it's also the reason why outfits like GOG are finding it even tougher to get publishers on-board. None of their games are still selling in stores, but that doesn't seem to matter to the publisher.

    That's just one aspect, like you said it's partly an ego thing, even when you're guaranteed a profit over something that isn't making one now. By all rights it should be a no brainer, but publishers still don't like the idea. They still want to maintain control over that product for decades to come, and you lose part of that control if it's still available on a platform like Steam, and in a format that still works. How do you do re-issues? Re-releases? How do you maintain a high price point on older titles? It becomes a lot more difficult because DD has no stock limitations. That's part of the problem, everyone's still getting their heads around the idea of distribution without limited supply, and how that affects the product you're selling, now, and in the future. Not everyone is happy with those changes.

    I think Steam has a long way to go in establishing itself yet before publishers are more willing to devote more time and resources to porting back-catalogue stuff onto the system. As it is, I'm pretty amazed that Steam's managed to become a marketplace where any new title has to be released, it's seen as important as high street retail when you're putting your product out there. Given how short a time-frame we're talking, I'd say that's a pretty huge achievement in itself.

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  • Michael HMichael H Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Guys guys I think we all can agree that Steam is definitely a service that allows you to buy games in exchange for money.

    Anyway, I'm kind of on the fence regarding Trine, but really it's kind of silly. I mean, it's $5. If I take a PB&J to work tomorrow instead of eating at our expensive-ass cafeteria, I'm already ahead.

    At the same time, Steam perpetually has games on sale so if I keep falling for that the next thing you know I've spent $50 in a month on cheap Steam games.

    Life is full of decisions.

    Michael H on
  • TekDragonTekDragon __BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2010
    TekDragon wrote: »
    TekDragon


    You're breaking my heart

    Your heart? I wonder if we could break your account?

    Keep jumping into civil conversations and acting like a silly goose for the sole purpose of stirring up shit, maybe we'll find out.

    My password is "TekDragon".

    edit: If you're talking about my Steam account, do me a favor and buy me some games while you're logged in.

    I was talking about your PA account and convo-shitting.

    But I'd like to take a step back for a moment and point out that I just realized something absolutely hilarious about this conversation you and I are having

    Would you care to guess what my last few PMs in my inbox have been about?

    Hint: They were to a mod.

    TekDragon on
  • Ed321Ed321 Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Michael H wrote: »
    Guys guys I think we all can agree that Steam is definitely a service that allows you to buy games in exchange for money.

    Anyway, I'm kind of on the fence regarding Trine, but really it's kind of silly. I mean, it's $5. If I take a PB&J to work tomorrow instead of eating at our expensive-ass cafeteria, I'm already ahead.

    At the same time, Steam perpetually has games on sale so if I keep falling for that the next thing you know I've spent $50 in a month on cheap Steam games.

    Life is full of decisions.

    I dunno, I heard about it being buggy and frustrating.

    Plus puzzle games are the bane of my life.

    Ed321 on
  • Michael HMichael H Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Ed321 wrote: »
    Michael H wrote: »
    Guys guys I think we all can agree that Steam is definitely a service that allows you to buy games in exchange for money.

    Anyway, I'm kind of on the fence regarding Trine, but really it's kind of silly. I mean, it's $5. If I take a PB&J to work tomorrow instead of eating at our expensive-ass cafeteria, I'm already ahead.

    At the same time, Steam perpetually has games on sale so if I keep falling for that the next thing you know I've spent $50 in a month on cheap Steam games.

    Life is full of decisions.

    I dunno, I heard about it being buggy and frustrating.

    Plus puzzle games are the bane of my life.

    Good feedback. But next someone will tell me it's awesome, and I'll probably be back to buying it. Or maybe if I waffle long enough it just won't be on sale any more.

    Steam needs to put an awesome 4X game on sale. Or at least Gratuitous Space Battles; I'd buy it like someone snapping their fingers. But I believe I've mentioned that already.

    Michael H on
  • SmokeStacksSmokeStacks Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    TekDragon wrote: »
    I was talking about your PA account and convo-shitting.

    But I'd like to take a step back for a moment and point out that I just realized something absolutely hilarious about this conversation you and I are having

    Would you care to guess what my last few PMs in my inbox have been about?

    Hint: They were to a mod.

    Maybe that mod will change your user title to "DER KOMMISAR OF THE STEAM THREAD", since that is what you seem to believe you are.

    Trine looks interesting, but I really need to stop impulse buying from Steam for the exact reason Michael H mentioned. It's like being nickel and dimed, only in a sort of good way.

    SmokeStacks on
  • XtarathXtarath Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Michael H wrote: »
    Ed321 wrote: »
    Michael H wrote: »
    Guys guys I think we all can agree that Steam is definitely a service that allows you to buy games in exchange for money.

    Anyway, I'm kind of on the fence regarding Trine, but really it's kind of silly. I mean, it's $5. If I take a PB&J to work tomorrow instead of eating at our expensive-ass cafeteria, I'm already ahead.

    At the same time, Steam perpetually has games on sale so if I keep falling for that the next thing you know I've spent $50 in a month on cheap Steam games.

    Life is full of decisions.

    I dunno, I heard about it being buggy and frustrating.

    Plus puzzle games are the bane of my life.

    Good feedback. But next someone will tell me it's awesome, and I'll probably be back to buying it. Or maybe if I waffle long enough it just won't be on sale any more.

    Steam needs to put an awesome 4X game on sale. Or at least Gratuitous Space Battles; I'd buy it like someone snapping their fingers. But I believe I've mentioned that already.


    They had AI War on sale, which is a pretty fun 4X with co-op. Now it's back up to $20 though.

    Xtarath on
  • TekDragonTekDragon __BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2010
    Smokestacks, lol:
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    That was after you gave that guy X-com, way back when we were BFFs... last week.

    Haha, I love the internet.

    TekDragon on
  • subediisubedii Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Michael H wrote: »
    Ed321 wrote: »
    Michael H wrote: »
    Guys guys I think we all can agree that Steam is definitely a service that allows you to buy games in exchange for money.

    Anyway, I'm kind of on the fence regarding Trine, but really it's kind of silly. I mean, it's $5. If I take a PB&J to work tomorrow instead of eating at our expensive-ass cafeteria, I'm already ahead.

    At the same time, Steam perpetually has games on sale so if I keep falling for that the next thing you know I've spent $50 in a month on cheap Steam games.

    Life is full of decisions.

    I dunno, I heard about it being buggy and frustrating.

    Plus puzzle games are the bane of my life.

    Good feedback. But next someone will tell me it's awesome, and I'll probably be back to buying it. Or maybe if I waffle long enough it just won't be on sale any more.

    Steam needs to put an awesome 4X game on sale. Or at least Gratuitous Space Battles; I'd buy it like someone snapping their fingers. But I believe I've mentioned that already.

    I'd say it's a pretty awesome game sure. Definitely worth the $5. It's a puzzle based action-platformer with a very nice look and style to it.

    subedii on
  • Michael HMichael H Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Xtarath wrote: »
    Michael H wrote: »
    Ed321 wrote: »
    Michael H wrote: »
    Guys guys I think we all can agree that Steam is definitely a service that allows you to buy games in exchange for money.

    Anyway, I'm kind of on the fence regarding Trine, but really it's kind of silly. I mean, it's $5. If I take a PB&J to work tomorrow instead of eating at our expensive-ass cafeteria, I'm already ahead.

    At the same time, Steam perpetually has games on sale so if I keep falling for that the next thing you know I've spent $50 in a month on cheap Steam games.

    Life is full of decisions.

    I dunno, I heard about it being buggy and frustrating.

    Plus puzzle games are the bane of my life.

    Good feedback. But next someone will tell me it's awesome, and I'll probably be back to buying it. Or maybe if I waffle long enough it just won't be on sale any more.

    Steam needs to put an awesome 4X game on sale. Or at least Gratuitous Space Battles; I'd buy it like someone snapping their fingers. But I believe I've mentioned that already.


    They had AI War on sale, which is a pretty fun 4X with co-op. Now it's back up to $20 though.

    Nertz, that would have been fun. GalCiv2 is nigh-perfection for me, so anything in that ballpark is right up my alley. They've been compared favorably.

    Michael H on
  • Ed321Ed321 Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Michael H wrote: »
    Ed321 wrote: »
    Michael H wrote: »
    Guys guys I think we all can agree that Steam is definitely a service that allows you to buy games in exchange for money.

    Anyway, I'm kind of on the fence regarding Trine, but really it's kind of silly. I mean, it's $5. If I take a PB&J to work tomorrow instead of eating at our expensive-ass cafeteria, I'm already ahead.

    At the same time, Steam perpetually has games on sale so if I keep falling for that the next thing you know I've spent $50 in a month on cheap Steam games.

    Life is full of decisions.

    I dunno, I heard about it being buggy and frustrating.

    Plus puzzle games are the bane of my life.

    Good feedback. But next someone will tell me it's awesome, and I'll probably be back to buying it. Or maybe if I waffle long enough it just won't be on sale any more.

    Steam needs to put an awesome 4X game on sale. Or at least Gratuitous Space Battles; I'd buy it like someone snapping their fingers. But I believe I've mentioned that already.

    Well who are you going to believe - some random dudes on the internet, or me?

    I generally try to avoid impulse buys of "budget" games, just in case they're worth no money at all. Doesn't always work.

    Ed321 on
  • TekDragonTekDragon __BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2010
    Michael H wrote: »
    Nertz, that would have been fun. GalCiv2 is nigh-perfection for me, so anything in that ballpark is right up my alley. They've been compared favorably.

    You tried that Sins of a Solar Empire game?

    http://forums.penny-arcade.com/showthread.php?t=76500

    IGN gave it game of the year which I thought was a bit ridiculous, but it's still a solid 4x.

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  • SmokeStacksSmokeStacks Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    TekDragon wrote: »
    Smokestacks, lol:
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    That was after you gave that guy X-com, way back when we were BFFs... last week.

    Haha, I love the internet.

    Fuuuuuuuuuuuck this is like that one time when Robert E. Lee and Ulysses S. Grant were all fighting and then they realized that like ten years before that one of them put in a recommendation for the other one to be promoted, but then forgot about it and then ten years later he remembered and it was all awkward.

    Ok let's bury the hatchet and be BFFs again.

    So I moved Steam (all 27GB of it) to my external drive.

    My new idea is to install every single game I own.

    SmokeStacks on
  • Michael HMichael H Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Ed321 wrote: »
    Well who are you going to believe - some random dudes on the internet, or me?

    Good counterpoint. I don't know what to believe any more. GET OUT OF MY HEAD

    TekDragon, I always waffled on SOASE as I'm a big fan of turn based and sometimes get flustered trying manage expansive RTS games. Even Starcraft was enough to give me fits. But I never hear anything less than glowing reviews, so maybe I'll spring for it some day.

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  • TertieeTertiee Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Michael H wrote: »
    Ed321 wrote: »
    Well who are you going to believe - some random dudes on the internet, or me?

    Good counterpoint. I don't know what to believe any more. GET OUT OF MY HEAD

    TekDragon, I always waffled on SOASE as I'm a big fan of turn based and sometimes get flustered trying manage expansive RTS games. Even Starcraft was enough to give me fits. But I never hear anything less than glowing reviews, so maybe I'll spring for it some day.

    There's a demo of Sins you can try out.

    Tertiee on
  • SandersSanders Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Ed321 wrote: »
    Michael H wrote: »
    Guys guys I think we all can agree that Steam is definitely a service that allows you to buy games in exchange for money.

    Anyway, I'm kind of on the fence regarding Trine, but really it's kind of silly. I mean, it's $5. If I take a PB&J to work tomorrow instead of eating at our expensive-ass cafeteria, I'm already ahead.

    At the same time, Steam perpetually has games on sale so if I keep falling for that the next thing you know I've spent $50 in a month on cheap Steam games.

    Life is full of decisions.

    I dunno, I heard about it being buggy and frustrating.

    Plus puzzle games are the bane of my life.

    Interesting. Of all the complaints about Trine I have ever heard (too easy, lack of variety in enemies, lackluster last level, too short, lack of online co-op), I have never once heard of anybody complain about it being buggy or frustrating. In fact, only bug I am aware of is some people cant get the "complete all achievements" achievement to unlock.

    Though the only one of those complaints that I feel are valid is the too easy. They offer a lot of set pieces in places that the thief can just hookshot right through, and the game uses a checkpoint system similar to bioshock so even if you die you just respawn with all the puzzles completed / monsters defeated from before you died. It is what you make out of it, but it seems some people cant enjoy a very beautiful relaxing platformer.

    The first 3 or so levels are playable in the demo so you may as well just give it a try but really you are a very very silly goose for not buying it for $5.

    Sanders on
  • TekDragonTekDragon __BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2010
    Michael H wrote: »
    Ed321 wrote: »
    Well who are you going to believe - some random dudes on the internet, or me?

    Good counterpoint. I don't know what to believe any more. GET OUT OF MY HEAD

    TekDragon, I always waffled on SOASE as I'm a big fan of turn based and sometimes get flustered trying manage expansive RTS games. Even Starcraft was enough to give me fits. But I never hear anything less than glowing reviews, so maybe I'll spring for it some day.

    In the end that was one of my problems with it, too - but I'd definitely recommend any 4x fan at least try out the demo. Especially if your a GalCiv fan.

    TekDragon on
  • MongerMonger I got the ham stink. Dallas, TXRegistered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Michael H wrote: »
    Ed321 wrote: »
    Well who are you going to believe - some random dudes on the internet, or me?

    Good counterpoint. I don't know what to believe any more. GET OUT OF MY HEAD

    TekDragon, I always waffled on SOASE as I'm a big fan of turn based and sometimes get flustered trying manage expansive RTS games. Even Starcraft was enough to give me fits. But I never hear anything less than glowing reviews, so maybe I'll spring for it some day.
    I may be some random guy on the internet, but I also play keytar for Dingleberry Armoury.

    Trine is awesome. Go buy it.

    edit: SOASE is pretty great, too.

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  • anoffdayanoffday To be changed whenever Anoffday gets around to it. Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    So what's the verdict on this trine game? Worth 5 dollars? I hope not. I already have enough steam games that I had no idea about and just bought because they were so cheap.

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  • EliminationElimination Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    I loved Sins, but i did not love it enough to buy it over again.

    Elimination on
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  • Edgler VessEdgler Vess Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    I bought Far Cry 2 for 9.99 and Torchlight for 19.99 and have been real happy with the Torchlight purchase so far and really "Meh" about the FC2 purchase (It sure does look nice, but I sure do suck at it for some strange reason, is it hard, or is "Run and Gun" simply not a viable tactic?).

    I then came into this thread because the thread title sucks so bad (Guess I didn't think about it), and you guys got me to buy Trine for 5 dollars, I didn't even know it was on sale, but fuck it, its 5 dollars if I spend more than 2 hours on it I figure Im a winner.

    Edgler Vess on
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  • Pajama_ManPajama_Man Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    anoffday wrote: »
    So what's the verdict on this trine game? Worth 5 dollars? I hope not. I already have enough steam games that I had no idea about and just bought because they were so cheap.

    Try the demo. If you don't love, you have no heart! D:

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  • ManetherenWolfManetherenWolf Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    oooo... Empire Total War, Rome, and Medieval II all for $20...

    damn I might have to do that.

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  • EliminationElimination Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Im on the fence about Empire. It seems people have mixed feelings about it.

    Elimination on
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  • Edgler VessEdgler Vess Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    I bought Far Cry 2 for 9.99 and Torchlight for 19.99 and have been real happy with the Torchlight purchase so far and really "Meh" about the FC2 purchase (It sure does look nice, but I sure do suck at it for some strange reason, is it hard, or is "Run and Gun" simply not a viable tactic?).

    I then came into this thread because the thread title sucks so bad (Guess I didn't think about it), and you guys got me to buy Trine for 5 dollars, I didn't even know it was on sale, but fuck it, its 5 dollars if I spend more than 2 hours on it I figure Im a winner.

    Just finished up playing through the first 45 minutes of Trine, and I gotta say already that its great fun, even if it changes dramatically and the puzzles get to hard for my dumbass, the game sure is pretty.

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  • KetarKetar Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    jdarksun wrote: »
    What's with the thread title?

    That.

    Ketar on
  • UnluckyUnlucky That's not meant to happen Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Yeah, agreed. What do you mean by register?

    Unlucky on
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  • Two Headed BoyTwo Headed Boy Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    The thread title is a completely misleading and an erroneous trap to get people to... well, I have no idea of its purpose, but it means nothing and isn't true.

    Two Headed Boy on
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  • DrakeDrake Edgelord Trash Below the ecliptic plane.Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    The thread title is because we are internet jerks.

    Drake on
  • subediisubedii Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Ketar wrote: »
    jdarksun wrote: »
    What's with the thread title?

    That.

    Basically people kept saying Valve were lazy jerks because you can't register your entire games collection on Steam and get rid of your CD's. Explaining why this doesn't make sense and how it would be an IP nightmare kept getting ignored in favour of "Why don't you love me Valve?!".

    So Suds changed the thread title. Because he enjoys chaos and man-tears.

    subedii on
  • KetarKetar Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    subedii wrote: »
    Ketar wrote: »
    jdarksun wrote: »
    What's with the thread title?

    That.

    Basically people kept saying Valve were lazy jerks because you can't register your entire games collection on Steam and get rid of your CD's. Explaining why this doesn't make sense and how it would be an IP nightmare kept getting ignored in favour of "Why don't you love me Valve?!".

    So Suds changed the thread title. Because he enjoys chaos and man-tears.

    Er, I actually meant that posts like jdarksun's were the reason for the thread title change (in part, anyway). I can see where it was similar enough to the standard "This" agreement post to make it seem otherwise though.

    Anyway, finally started playing Torchlight yesterday after picking it up when it was $5 on Steam. Fun little game, and I'm actually enjoying it more than Titan Quest, and even Diablo II, thus far. No ARPG has ever grabbed me the way the original Diablo did, but this comes closer than any other I can think of.

    Ketar on
  • subediisubedii Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Ketar wrote: »

    Anyway, finally started playing Torchlight yesterday after picking it up when it was $5 on Steam. Fun little game, and I'm actually enjoying it more than Titan Quest, and even Diablo II, thus far. No ARPG has ever grabbed me the way the original Diablo did, but this comes closer than any other I can think of.

    I'll remember the "this/that" distinction for later then. :P

    Yeah it feels more Diablo than Diablo 2 to me, which in my book is a good thing. D2 was pretty definitively designed around group play. Areas were usually huge but largely empty apart from the enemies. D1 felt more focussed, and so does this.

    Also, mods. Torchlight is ridiculously at home with mods and there are loads of small, simple good ones that make it more intuitive or better.

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  • PeewiPeewi Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    anoffday wrote: »
    Goddamn this thread title. I was so excited.

    But it lead me to finding out Worms is coming to Steam, so that's pretty rad.
    What?! :shock:

    Not the old games. A new one called Worms 2: Armegeddon came out on XBLA sometime last year and is now coming to Steam too. The title is a little confusing if you're familiar with the older games. It's the second Worms game on XBLA (the first one was just called Worms) and for some reason it's reusing the Armageddon title.

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  • RoshinRoshin My backlog can be seen from space SwedenRegistered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Are any of GOG's games portable, ie doesn't require installation? If so, that might convince me to buy stuff from them.

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  • subediisubedii Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Roshin wrote: »
    Are any of GOG's games portable, ie doesn't require installation? If so, that might convince me to buy stuff from them.

    I'm not sure what you mean by that. They all require installation IIRC, but they're all portable, you don't need a net connection or a disc or anything once they're installed. At a guess I could probably install a game to a USB flash stick and take it with me somewhere if that's what you mean (although running off of a flash drive would be painfully slow).

    If you mean shifting the directory around once it's been installed, I imagine that wouldn't cause any problems, it usually doesn't.

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