Dodson's art makes up for a lot of things. Cable is like Major Dad with Hope, and Cyclops should just tell Kurt that Wolverine is killing people because he's Wolverine, it's not his fault.
No more Warpath? He's definitely my favorite member of X-Force.
At the end of the latest issue of X-Force Warpath:
made peace with all the people that he's lost when he was forced to kill the reanimated corps of his brother. There was a moment that was a blatant rip off of the end of the first Mortal Kombat movie, where all the souls Selene stole are rising into the sky from her dead body. His brother's spirit asks him to let go of his rage and Warpath achieves some sort of peace from the event. He's done killing for now.
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TexiKenDammit!That fish really got me!Registered Userregular
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How did Necrosha end?
Did Selene die and a few mutants get to stay alive ala Blackest Night
I've read nothing about the ending to the event, either people just didn't care or both Blackest Night and Second Coming took away from it.
Did Selene die and a few mutants get to stay alive ala Blackest Night
I've read nothing about the ending to the event, either people just didn't care or both Blackest Night and Second Coming took away from it.
Warpath painted X-Force in the spirit/warpaint of his people so Selene couldn't rip their souls from their bodies (Ghost Rider taught him this when they met up last year). They then kill or send packing Selene's minions, Elixir fucking disintegrates Wither and now has trouble staying Gold (his skin is now a spooky black-metallic color because he took a life in anger). They all bum rush Selene while Warpath kills his brother and gets the spirit knife of his people she was using to turn herself into a goddess. The team tangles up Selene's limbs while Warpath stabs her in the heart and kills her in her goddess form. A few resurrected mutants are still alive, but cerebro can't locate them. The three mutants that did during Selene's attack are featured in the beginning of the Second Coming one shot.
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I have the last Necrosha issues - just haven't got through my backlog of comics to read them yet. I skipped right to the new Uncanny and Second Coming. I was really disappointed by Necrosha.
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The main problem with the X-men right now is that they are reusing material for the umpteenth time. No one cares about them being hated and feared anymore, particularly because it doesn't make much consistent sense.
The main problem with the X-men right now is that they are reusing material for the umpteenth time. No one cares about them being hated and feared anymore, particularly because it doesn't make much consistent sense.
Living on an island and fighting extinction are relatively new, at least.
I can't believe no countries want mutants, though. You'd think at least one of them would embrace the prospect of having some of the best minds on the planet and a top-tier superhero team on their side.
The main problem with the X-men right now is that they are reusing material for the umpteenth time. No one cares about them being hated and feared anymore, particularly because it doesn't make much consistent sense.
Living on an island and fighting extinction are relatively new, at least.
I can't believe no countries want mutants, though. You'd think at least one of them would embrace the prospect of having some of the best minds on the planet and a top-tier superhero team on their side.
I'm rather surprised that they haven't just elected to row there rock up the coast into canadian waters and apply for citizenship. Granted, they'd have to register as people with superhuman abilities, but theres no impetus for them to have to do anything they don't want to.
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The main problem with the X-men right now is that they are reusing material for the umpteenth time. No one cares about them being hated and feared anymore, particularly because it doesn't make much consistent sense.
Living on an island and fighting extinction are relatively new, at least.
I can't believe no countries want mutants, though. You'd think at least one of them would embrace the prospect of having some of the best minds on the planet and a top-tier superhero team on their side.
I'm rather surprised that they haven't just elected to row there rock up the coast into canadian waters and apply for citizenship. Granted, they'd have to register as people with superhuman abilities, but theres no impetus for them to have to do anything they don't want to.
The global attitude to mutants within the Marvel Universe is completely inconsistent and nonsensical.
The X-Men walking around Toronto with little x-scarves on, shopping and enjoying healthcare with their new Canadian passports.
Marvel hires Kate Beaton to replace Greg Land. The X-Men begin traveling through time to stop Apocalypse from rewriting Canadian history in the first story arc.
Alpha Flight is all pissed because they can never have an ongoing monthly and the X-Men are hogging the limelight in their new country.
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They should go to Japan, where they can all moan and have a blind eye about how peaceful they were until whale and dolphin brought about the nuclear age that scarred Japan and gave birth to mutants (which was the original premise for mutants back in the 60's, Sunfire was the proof or something).
I wasn't being sarcastic. I mean, the treatment of mutants has always been informed primarily by the United States' treatment of various minorities over the years. Take them out of America, and you're forced to look at them through an entirely different cultural lens, which in turn creates all sorts of new story possibilities. Conversely, keeping them in America restricts you writing about typically American responses to minorities, namely that which can be drawn from the history of the civil rights movement.
Darkstar came back to life somewhere after she died in Morrison's New X-Men run, when was this?
The new one made her first appearance the beginning of Rulk, probably because Loeb didn't realize she had died in New X-Men. A retcon explanation of this was given in the Hulk: Winter Guard special a few months ago, but that character died too. The special showed a 3rd Darkstar taking over the role.
I wasn't being sarcastic. I mean, the treatment of mutants has always been informed primarily by the United States' treatment of various minorities over the years. Take them out of America, and you're forced to look at them through an entirely different cultural lens, which in turn creates all sorts of new story possibilities. Conversely, keeping them in America restricts you writing about typically American responses to minorities, namely that which can be drawn from the history of the civil rights movement.
Fair enough, I just thought it was funny that they've just recently had two relocations, with each move bringing with it a new social and political environment. So to my mind, moving them somewhere else wouldn't be too new or exciting.
But yeah, I could see bringing them to an entirely different country. I'm kind of surprised Storm hasn't just packed them all up and moved their asses to Wakanda.
Admittedly, I haven't read any Black Panther since Priest's run, but it seems like having Storm vouch for the mutants would help overcome the Wakandans' well-earned xenophobia.
Or they could move to Krakoa. Mutants living on a giant, sentient island? I'd enjoy that.
Admittedly, I haven't read any Black Panther since Priest's run, but it seems like having Storm vouch for the mutants would help overcome the Wakandans' well-earned xenophobia.
All the people in Wakanda hate Storm and think she cursed the country and T'Challa isn't king anymore - her voucher would just make them hate mutants even more.
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But the X-Men could just pull a Black Adam and take over a bad country and make it better. Somalia, Tajikstan, etc. It's the perfect time to do so, the heroes are too busy acting heroic and there's no HAMMER or SHIELD or WANG to stop them.
But the X-Men could just pull a Black Adam and take over a bad country and make it better. Somalia, Tajikstan, etc. It's the perfect time to do so, the heroes are too busy acting heroic and there's no HAMMER or SHIELD or WANG to stop them.
You don't think that would be, how do I put this delicately, absolutely fucking terrible in regards to human/mutant relations?
But the X-Men could just pull a Black Adam and take over a bad country and make it better. Somalia, Tajikstan, etc. It's the perfect time to do so, the heroes are too busy acting heroic and there's no HAMMER or SHIELD or WANG to stop them.
You don't think that would be, how do I put this delicately, absolutely fucking terrible in regards to human/mutant relations?
Who cares anymore? Trying to live in peace isn't working for them. Let Cyclops turn the X-Men back into the X-Corps and become an army of good.
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But the X-Men could just pull a Black Adam and take over a bad country and make it better. Somalia, Tajikstan, etc. It's the perfect time to do so, the heroes are too busy acting heroic and there's no HAMMER or SHIELD or WANG to stop them.
You don't think that would be, how do I put this delicately, absolutely fucking terrible in regards to human/mutant relations?
The places I mentioned are hellholes already. Mutants being proactive and just ridding the world of those baddies would show "hey, we want to live side by side with you, we hate dictators and terrorists too." Show them cleaning up the place, helping the innocents in those places, and that will promote more goodwill than anything else mutants have attempted. It would also show the Avengers for being pussies for not doing it sooner.
I wouldn't use Genosha again just because all the baggage with it, break away from the past, move forward, think of something new, Mike Carey will save us all.
edit: see, Hensler gets it. The Avengers in the 80's/90's were always under some BS UN charter never letting them go do good, just reverse it for the X-Men.
But the X-Men could just pull a Black Adam and take over a bad country and make it better. Somalia, Tajikstan, etc. It's the perfect time to do so, the heroes are too busy acting heroic and there's no HAMMER or SHIELD or WANG to stop them.
You don't think that would be, how do I put this delicately, absolutely fucking terrible in regards to human/mutant relations?
The places I mentioned are hellholes already. Mutants being proactive and just ridding the world of those baddies would show "hey, we want to live side by side with you, we hate dictators and terrorists too." Show them cleaning up the place, helping the innocents in those places, and that will promote more goodwill than anything else mutants have attempted. It would also show the Avengers for being pussies for not doing it sooner.
I wouldn't use Genosha again just because all the baggage with it, break away from the past, move forward, think of something new, Mike Carey will save us all.
edit: see, Hensler gets it. The Avengers in the 80's/90's were always under some BS UN charter never letting them go do good, just reverse it for the X-Men.
See, in principle, I agree. But you only have to look at the last ten years of international politics to see the real consequences of such actions, whether you agree with them or not many people are not happy about Western forces doing the same thing in regards to Afghanistan and Iraq, and I think if a bunch of mutants started to try and take over countries, even if they had the best interests of those countries at heart, they would get some very bad press from doing it, and would probably fail to make any real difference without resorting to harsh tactics in order to keep power, which would defeat the entire point.
Now, having the X-Men turning up in those countries, defeating the local armed forces using non-lethal methods and delivering much needed supplies and education alongside the judicious use of their powers, that would be cool and more effective. The X-Men have the abilities to do this without having to start killing people and it would make them look good, supporting humanitarian ends and trying to aid people. As it is they're more Utopia's armed forces than anything else. Something a little bit more like the early Ultimate X-Men where they flew around the world saving people, Storm helped out in droughts, Cyclops ran a support group for deprived kids and Marvel Girl helped the police track down bad guys and missing persons.
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Of course, how would that exactly change human/mutant relations, what with every human organization explicitly not giving a shit at best?
Of course, how would that exactly change human/mutant relations, what with every human organization explicitly not giving a shit at best?
What do you mean by this?
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But you see, that's the beauty of doing it with comics. And there wouldn't even be political meanings behind it (given a non ham fisted writer); the X-Men are tired of living on a sinking asteroid. They decide to all go to one messed up country (they just have to pick one). They clean it up, because they can, even pointing out that regular humans could have done this to help their fellow man years ago but chose not to. Of course initial backlash would happen, because they're getting upstaged, but the X-Men win over the innocent people in this nation, and start to rebuild and show the world peaceful coexistence it can be done.
You do that kind of story, and don't change it 10 months later, it will work. And I have no problem with the killing, kill terrorists all day long.
Much like Authoritative Action during Waid's FF run, or the Standoff crossover that started in Jurgens Thor run (so good), let some heroes have a fucking chance to fix stuff without using a pussy cop-out like SHIELD.
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Dodson's art makes up for a lot of things. Cable is like Major Dad with Hope, and Cyclops should just tell Kurt that Wolverine is killing people because he's Wolverine, it's not his fault.
The other Cable and Deadpool #25 had Cable become Captain America in the future. It's one my favorite comics ever.
Yah, the writers are leaving is all. Cyclops still needs a kick ass hit-squad, but Elixir, X-23, and Wolfsbane and Warpath are off the team.
At the end of the latest issue of X-Force Warpath:
I've read nothing about the ending to the event, either people just didn't care or both Blackest Night and Second Coming took away from it.
Living on an island and fighting extinction are relatively new, at least.
I can't believe no countries want mutants, though. You'd think at least one of them would embrace the prospect of having some of the best minds on the planet and a top-tier superhero team on their side.
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I'm rather surprised that they haven't just elected to row there rock up the coast into canadian waters and apply for citizenship. Granted, they'd have to register as people with superhuman abilities, but theres no impetus for them to have to do anything they don't want to.
The global attitude to mutants within the Marvel Universe is completely inconsistent and nonsensical.
Marvel hires Kate Beaton to replace Greg Land. The X-Men begin traveling through time to stop Apocalypse from rewriting Canadian history in the first story arc.
Alpha Flight is all pissed because they can never have an ongoing monthly and the X-Men are hogging the limelight in their new country.
I could actually go for it, myself.
And placing them in an entirely new social and political environment would really freshen the series up.
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But like, literally evil. Like, trying to wipe out humanity and being a card-carrying member of the Hellfire Club evil.
I really can't tell if this is sarcasm.
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The new one made her first appearance the beginning of Rulk, probably because Loeb didn't realize she had died in New X-Men. A retcon explanation of this was given in the Hulk: Winter Guard special a few months ago, but that character died too. The special showed a 3rd Darkstar taking over the role.
But yeah, I could see bringing them to an entirely different country. I'm kind of surprised Storm hasn't just packed them all up and moved their asses to Wakanda.
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Or they could move to Krakoa. Mutants living on a giant, sentient island? I'd enjoy that.
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All the people in Wakanda hate Storm and think she cursed the country and T'Challa isn't king anymore - her voucher would just make them hate mutants even more.
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You don't think that would be, how do I put this delicately, absolutely fucking terrible in regards to human/mutant relations?
Who cares anymore? Trying to live in peace isn't working for them. Let Cyclops turn the X-Men back into the X-Corps and become an army of good.
The places I mentioned are hellholes already. Mutants being proactive and just ridding the world of those baddies would show "hey, we want to live side by side with you, we hate dictators and terrorists too." Show them cleaning up the place, helping the innocents in those places, and that will promote more goodwill than anything else mutants have attempted. It would also show the Avengers for being pussies for not doing it sooner.
I wouldn't use Genosha again just because all the baggage with it, break away from the past, move forward, think of something new, Mike Carey will save us all.
edit: see, Hensler gets it. The Avengers in the 80's/90's were always under some BS UN charter never letting them go do good, just reverse it for the X-Men.
See, in principle, I agree. But you only have to look at the last ten years of international politics to see the real consequences of such actions, whether you agree with them or not many people are not happy about Western forces doing the same thing in regards to Afghanistan and Iraq, and I think if a bunch of mutants started to try and take over countries, even if they had the best interests of those countries at heart, they would get some very bad press from doing it, and would probably fail to make any real difference without resorting to harsh tactics in order to keep power, which would defeat the entire point.
Now, having the X-Men turning up in those countries, defeating the local armed forces using non-lethal methods and delivering much needed supplies and education alongside the judicious use of their powers, that would be cool and more effective. The X-Men have the abilities to do this without having to start killing people and it would make them look good, supporting humanitarian ends and trying to aid people. As it is they're more Utopia's armed forces than anything else. Something a little bit more like the early Ultimate X-Men where they flew around the world saving people, Storm helped out in droughts, Cyclops ran a support group for deprived kids and Marvel Girl helped the police track down bad guys and missing persons.
What do you mean by this?
You do that kind of story, and don't change it 10 months later, it will work. And I have no problem with the killing, kill terrorists all day long.
Much like Authoritative Action during Waid's FF run, or the Standoff crossover that started in Jurgens Thor run (so good), let some heroes have a fucking chance to fix stuff without using a pussy cop-out like SHIELD.