That's crazy talk - Remender is writing the best X-book on the stands (and that's not a slight to the other x-writers, Uncanny X-Force is just that good).
Pretty much yeah. Of course, she plays a big part in most of the big events like Messiah Complex and Second Coming. Ever since I started reading x-men after House of M I've gained a much bigger appreciation for Rogue, so much that she's probably one of my favorites.
Is the first arc of Generation Hope any good? I noticed the trade for it is already out.
Gen Hope altogether is pretty good. The first arc is so far the highlight of it for me though. But if you haven't read "Birth of Generation Hope" arc in Uncanny X-Men you should because it sets up the characters.
Second Coming: Revelations is just a few one shots and side stories to the main event. I'd get the main story instead, and then Revelations if you feel like expanding on bits of the story. Otherwise it seems a good place to start, if you read Messiah Complex, Legacy (and further trades if you wish), then Second Coming.
Since Legacy is ongoing, it starts out focusing on Xavier following Messiah Complex, then after one or two trades turns towards Rogue. If you start there you'll get a better feel for the situation than if you jumped ahead. The wikipedia article on X-Men Legacy has a good layout of who is on the roster at what points and which issues are in which trades, so that's a good reference.
When I started out reading X-Men I had gone back to House of M and basically spent a few months researching the best order to read everything up until now. It took longer than a few months for me LOL.
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So I'm about to wrap up Grant Morrison's New X-men, and recently read Whedon's Astonishing run, and now I'm wondering where I should go from here. Can anybody recommend me a new starting point? I kind of want to get into Uncanny so I can read Schism, but like I said, I'm not really sure where to start. Help?
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If you want to get ready for Schism, read Uncanny X-Men #534.1-539, and then read the 4-issue Prelude to Schism series that just wrapped up (#4 came out this week). And then Schism starts next month.
There's really nothing else you need to read outside of that stuff to prepare for Schism; X-Men Legacy is good but deals with b-list characters, and the current Uncanny arc deals with Fear Itself and has Greg Land as an artist, so avoid. Astonishing X-Men is dealing with nothing major, and the X-Men book is doing....something that really doesn't warrant it being around at all as a title.
Dark Avengers/Uncanny X-Men: Utopia might be another thing to check out, as it will at least bring you up on how Utopia came about and I personally really liked it, though I don't know the general opinion on that. Otherwise, 534.1 as TexiKen said should be the ticket, as the .1s were designed to be entry points. I forget how much the .1 (too many X-books, can never remember what's in what) covers Hope, who I imagine will be a big part in Schism, or at least is another major thing going on in the X-verse at the moment, so some Wiki-ing on her might fill in any other gaps.
Really good Gillen and Aaron interview, despite some softball questions. Gillen actually answers stuff instead of going "wait and see" "big changes" and the usual writer lines.
Essentially Uncanny X-Men is going to take the Astonishing route and be big time heroes everywhere, WatXM is going to be much more covert. Uncanny will still be in SF, Wolverine's team will probably be back in NYC. Uncanny will have nine main members with a supporting cast, no word yet on Wolverine's roster. Pacheco is drawing the first Uncanny arc.
The big question this poses is this; if Uncanny is basically going hero, and Wolverine is kind of covert, there really is no need for the Gischler X-Men book, Astonishing, and X-Force (at least as it currently is). Hopefully Marvel culls some x-titles for October.
OKay, this is talking me down from jumping off a ledge and back into probably following these books for a bit longer. Hmm. I like some of what I hear in this.
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I think with this month's Legacy, or maybe next month's, Mike Carey becomes the second longest X-Men writer ever behind Claremont. He's written about 75-80 issues when you count annuals and other stories.
That's kind of amazing in this age, doing it with the hand be downs of the mutant community too.
So apparently Schism is day and date digitally. Though schism issues are 5 bucks?!!
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Anyone pick up Schism? The idea sounds fine until Marvel started advertising it as X-Men's Civil War, which makes me wary of the political messages that would be near impossible to avoid.
Since I'm not sure how the new spoiler tags work exactly I'll just say that I got the first issue of Schism and it is half awesome and half stupid, as X-Men is wont to do, so par for the course. But the first ish has, from what I read, nothing talking about whatever the hell it was they were doing in "Prelude".
I'm excited to continue, anywway.
EDIT: Okay, I know how spoilers work now.
So, yeah, big spoilers right here
Cool things: Kid Omega sprung from incorporeal x-prison, causes the U.N. to go crazy
Stupid things: Some kid named Kilgore now leads the Hellfire Club (and oh look, I can break into Utopia to spring Kid Omega)
Can't decide: most nations now apparently have their own Sentinel program.
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I picked it up, I think I have the same reaction. There are lots of little parts that carry the issue, essentially panels here and there, that make me realize Aaron does have something worthwhile to tell, but the main villain is kind of stupid and literally comes out of nowhere.
Father Kilgore was in no books until now, even in Aaron's own Wolverine work some kind of foreshadowing would have been nice, as it makes Kade's appearance even worse. And he's the bad guy because he's got a popped collar, a durp.
Marvel's had a rash of super smart kids in its books the past few years, and this is kind of reaching a whole new level. Valeria and Cho probably couldn't sneak into Utopia and free Quire in 5 minutes, but this kid can.
The sentinel thing does feel weird, as does the US not being at the meeting. After Second Coming I thought it was very clear that the President and the heroes all love the X-Men, so why the usual staple of being feared and hated yet again.
Idie is also being set up like Bill Foster in Civil War, she gets just enough screentime to let us know she might be the first to die in issue #3 or so, which probably makes Wolverine and Cyclops fight.
On the plus side, 33 pages of real story, no stupid timeline of events type backstory that is filler in many extra sized books. So the book gets another issue to wow me, and I hope it can deliver.
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At the X-Men panel they kept emphasizing that Cyclops isn't on the cover to Uncanny #1 (Emma is), and that he's like Martin Luther King. But what Gillen said in an interview a few weeks ago kind of emphasized Cyclops is still around.
But I guess the biggest shock is that no x-books are being cancelled to make room for the relaunch, which just seems crazy.
So that means after Uncanny "ends" we'll have
Uncanny X-Men vol.2
X-Men Legacy
X-Men
Wolverine
Wolverine and the X-Men
X-Factor
Uncanny X-Force
Daken
X-23
Gen. Hope
Deadpool (I'm wondering if this even counts as an X-book, I dunno why)
Did I miss any?
And on another note, are the Wolverine/Weapon X family of books or X-Factor any good? Basically my haul is just the X-Men titles, Gen Hope, and X-Force.
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And on another note, are the Wolverine/Weapon X family of books or X-Factor any good? Basically my haul is just the X-Men titles, Gen Hope, and X-Force.
I always like to recommend X-Factor, ever since it relaunched with issue #200. It's stuck to its gimmick of being a noir/mystery book, which just happens to be set in the Marvel U, and it really works.
The most recent arc, which has focused on Wolfsbane's pregnancy, hasn't been great. But, I thought the story that kicked it off, over in the last volume of X-Force, was complete shit, too. So, I'm biased.
I got too much on my plate as it is. And I forgot New Mutants, which I should catch up on, but much like X-Men fighting aliens, I also trudge through any of their dealings with Magic/Limbo/Hell with a grimmace.
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Anyone pick up Schism? The idea sounds fine until Marvel started advertising it as X-Men's Civil War, which makes me wary of the political messages that would be near impossible to avoid.
Ugh, I had really hoped those five letters weren't Cable.... We just had Second Coming. They're not even letting deaths lie any more. They're just pulling the "PSYCH, it was actually time travel" card.
Someone really needs to give the main Deadpool book to Christopher Hastings. His work on Fear Itself: Deadpool, has been fantastic. As long as the third issue doesn't suddenly nosedive in quality, he and Bong Dazo will have created the best Deadpool story in at least the past couple of years. So far, I'd even put it above the Hit-Monkey and Bullseye arcs, which I thought were quite good.
My main criticism of the Bullseye arc, as with Way's series as a whole, is that it was a bit aimless. Deadpool fights Bullseye and.. eventually Bullseye pays him off to get Pool out of his hair.
I think Hastings' story has a stronger arc. Deadpool tries to sell home protection in the Marvel U, only to realize that he can't stand up to Worthy-class supervillains. So he moves to a small town, gives a fake magical hammer to a joke supervillain, and uses him to (mostly) harmlessly menace the townspeople, planning to eventually defeat the villain, and collect a hefty fee from the town. But, the joke supervillain and his not-so-not-magical hammer turns out to be a bit more than Deadpool can handle.
It's a good, strong arc, with sharp as Hell dialogue.
Deadpool ongoing too a massive quality dive right after Hit Monkey and the X-Men arcs. Has anything since then been good?
I was really excited to see that character back, but man they found every way to suck that interest out of me. FI Deadpool is one of 4 Marvel books I'm pulling right now, and the second issue was definitely awesome (I was a bit shakier than Munch on the first issue).
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So buy this, this, and start here with Legacy?
Second Coming: Revelations is just a few one shots and side stories to the main event. I'd get the main story instead, and then Revelations if you feel like expanding on bits of the story. Otherwise it seems a good place to start, if you read Messiah Complex, Legacy (and further trades if you wish), then Second Coming.
Since Legacy is ongoing, it starts out focusing on Xavier following Messiah Complex, then after one or two trades turns towards Rogue. If you start there you'll get a better feel for the situation than if you jumped ahead. The wikipedia article on X-Men Legacy has a good layout of who is on the roster at what points and which issues are in which trades, so that's a good reference.
When I started out reading X-Men I had gone back to House of M and basically spent a few months researching the best order to read everything up until now. It took longer than a few months for me LOL.
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There's really nothing else you need to read outside of that stuff to prepare for Schism; X-Men Legacy is good but deals with b-list characters, and the current Uncanny arc deals with Fear Itself and has Greg Land as an artist, so avoid. Astonishing X-Men is dealing with nothing major, and the X-Men book is doing....something that really doesn't warrant it being around at all as a title.
OKay, this is talking me down from jumping off a ledge and back into probably following these books for a bit longer. Hmm. I like some of what I hear in this.
That's kind of amazing in this age, doing it with the hand be downs of the mutant community too.
Take all of my money, Gillen
I'm excited to continue, anywway.
EDIT: Okay, I know how spoilers work now.
So, yeah, big spoilers right here
Stupid things: Some kid named Kilgore now leads the Hellfire Club (and oh look, I can break into Utopia to spring Kid Omega)
Can't decide: most nations now apparently have their own Sentinel program.
Marvel's had a rash of super smart kids in its books the past few years, and this is kind of reaching a whole new level. Valeria and Cho probably couldn't sneak into Utopia and free Quire in 5 minutes, but this kid can.
The sentinel thing does feel weird, as does the US not being at the meeting. After Second Coming I thought it was very clear that the President and the heroes all love the X-Men, so why the usual staple of being feared and hated yet again.
Idie is also being set up like Bill Foster in Civil War, she gets just enough screentime to let us know she might be the first to die in issue #3 or so, which probably makes Wolverine and Cyclops fight.
On the plus side, 33 pages of real story, no stupid timeline of events type backstory that is filler in many extra sized books. So the book gets another issue to wow me, and I hope it can deliver.
But I guess the biggest shock is that no x-books are being cancelled to make room for the relaunch, which just seems crazy.
Uncanny X-Men vol.2
X-Men Legacy
X-Men
Wolverine
Wolverine and the X-Men
X-Factor
Uncanny X-Force
Daken
X-23
Gen. Hope
Deadpool (I'm wondering if this even counts as an X-book, I dunno why)
Did I miss any?
And on another note, are the Wolverine/Weapon X family of books or X-Factor any good? Basically my haul is just the X-Men titles, Gen Hope, and X-Force.
Well, Wolverine Daken and X-Factor.
Can't comment on X-23.
Marvel sure is stacking the deck to favor that book compared to Uncanny.
The most recent arc, which has focused on Wolfsbane's pregnancy, hasn't been great. But, I thought the story that kicked it off, over in the last volume of X-Force, was complete shit, too. So, I'm biased.
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Damn you Marvel, for getting me to drop all your titles and then constantly reconsider before usually dropping them again.
Post Schism Cliff notes include:
I think maybe they just meant something like this
And apparently some serious shit goes down with Deadpool, maybe it'll finally break the endless story loop he's been in for years.
Cable Reborn. Meh, I really don't like Marvel time travelers, but it kind of makes sense for Loeb to write this since he wrote Cable years back.
Then again, ya know, Bleeding Cool.
Edit: Aaaaw, man. This was confirmed at a panel?
https://twitter.com/Hooraydiation
Ah, crap.
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Hastings was born to write Deadpool.
My main criticism of the Bullseye arc, as with Way's series as a whole, is that it was a bit aimless. Deadpool fights Bullseye and.. eventually Bullseye pays him off to get Pool out of his hair.
I think Hastings' story has a stronger arc. Deadpool tries to sell home protection in the Marvel U, only to realize that he can't stand up to Worthy-class supervillains. So he moves to a small town, gives a fake magical hammer to a joke supervillain, and uses him to (mostly) harmlessly menace the townspeople, planning to eventually defeat the villain, and collect a hefty fee from the town. But, the joke supervillain and his not-so-not-magical hammer turns out to be a bit more than Deadpool can handle.
It's a good, strong arc, with sharp as Hell dialogue.
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I was really excited to see that character back, but man they found every way to suck that interest out of me. FI Deadpool is one of 4 Marvel books I'm pulling right now, and the second issue was definitely awesome (I was a bit shakier than Munch on the first issue).
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I quit reading two issues into the heroic age arc, but I'd rank the current deadpool series with:
Bullseye
X-Men
Pirates
Secret Invasion
Hitmonkey