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X-Men Thread: Regenesis is here, Phil Collins or Peter Gabriel?

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    TexiKenTexiKen Dammit! That fish really got me!Registered User regular
    Chalkbored wrote:
    And why is he acting like a jerk? The last time I read the character was in Captain Britain and MI:13, and his characterization here seems considerably different. Did something happen to him in his Heroic Age appearances (and I'm assuming that's when the Captain Britain Corps was revived) or is this potentially reality-shenanigans from Jamie Braddock?

    Yeah, I feel I missed something, as I read MI-13 and that two page story in Heroic Age, I could only think Remender is going into Claremont's Exiles/Excalibur run from a few years ago, which feels a bit scary. He did his best to ignore the whole AoA Sabretooth/Betsy being in love and married thing.

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    OwenashiOwenashi Registered User regular
    edited January 2012
    TexiKen wrote:
    Chalkbored wrote:
    And why is he acting like a jerk? The last time I read the character was in Captain Britain and MI:13, and his characterization here seems considerably different. Did something happen to him in his Heroic Age appearances (and I'm assuming that's when the Captain Britain Corps was revived) or is this potentially reality-shenanigans from Jamie Braddock?

    Yeah, I feel I missed something, as I read MI-13 and that two page story in Heroic Age, I could only think Remender is going into Claremont's Exiles/Excalibur run from a few years ago, which feels a bit scary. He did his best to ignore the whole AoA Sabretooth/Betsy being in love and married thing.

    From what I've heard and seen from the issue...
    ...it's probably the result of whatever war's going on in Otherworld. He and the Corps seem pretty anxious to kill Fantomex too. A scanned page reveals that Fantomex is one of a kind when it comes to alternate realities. Could be Brian knows something because of that fact that making him fearful of letting Fant walk around a moment longer then necessary.

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    TexiKenTexiKen Dammit! That fish really got me!Registered User regular
    New Mutants #36 shows why Cyclops is the coolest, regarding Blink
    Dani lets Blink choose where she wants to go live, and she picked Westchester (probably because in the grand scheme of things they need a teleporter). But Cyclops had no problem with it and praised Dani for being independent in her actions and being a good leader.

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    AutomaticzenAutomaticzen Registered User regular
    TexiKen wrote:
    New Mutants #36 shows why Cyclops is the coolest, regarding Blink
    Dani lets Blink choose where she wants to go live, and she picked Westchester (probably because in the grand scheme of things they need a teleporter). But Cyclops had no problem with it and praised Dani for being independent in her actions and being a good leader.

    Was a good issue. Sad Blink did not join the team, but enjoy the fact that Nate is fitting in just fine.

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    UltimateInfernoUltimateInferno Registered User regular
    HEY I WONDER IF WOLVERINE HAS TWO OPPOSING TEAMS YET
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    "Ride or Die?" asked Goku

    "Ride or Die" confirmed Dominic Toretto, as they took off to find the Dragon Balls in hopes of reviving their friend Sonic
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    AutomaticzenAutomaticzen Registered User regular
    I love Bachalo but damn his work is uneven at times.

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    AriviaArivia I Like A Challenge Earth-1Registered User regular
    I like that cover. Bachalo just gives it a spin you don't normally see otherwise.

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    I like that Bachalo plays around with proportions

    I mean look at Thing! and Thor's hammer!

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    AriviaArivia I Like A Challenge Earth-1Registered User regular
    Also Colossus' head.

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    HadjiQuestHadjiQuest Registered User regular
    Once DC had an event called "Blackest Night."

    I bought almost every issue of every tie in for it.

    Then Marvel had an event called "Avengers vs X-Men."

    And they decided to double-ship nearly every title that month

    Now I live in a box, burning copies of Blackest Night: Batman for warmth.

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    AriviaArivia I Like A Challenge Earth-1Registered User regular
    HadjiQuest wrote:
    Once DC had an event called "Blackest Night."

    I bought almost every issue of every tie in for it.

    Then Marvel had an event called "Avengers vs X-Men."

    And they decided to double-ship nearly every title that month

    Now I live in a box, burning copies of Blackest Night: Batman for warmth.

    Oddly enough I think that's less than is double-shipping in February.

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    UltimateInfernoUltimateInferno Registered User regular
    edited January 2012
    The difference is, February is a 5 week month, April is only a 4 week month.

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    TexiKenTexiKen Dammit! That fish really got me!Registered User regular
    edited January 2012
    Bradshaw has trumped Bachalo IMO. That cover just looks unfinished now, after WatXM #4, for instance. Maybe if Bachalo's own coloring didn't look so much like an afterthought these days (I didn't know if that was Spidey in the foreground or a rock).

    Sad news is that Generation Hope doesn't seem to be shipping in April, which means it's probably cancelled. It was selling in X-23 territory. The remedy to this sad panda new would be to kick Gischler off X-Men and give the book to Asmus.

    edit: Greg Land is drawing Uncanny #11, which is a Red Hulk/Colossus fight. That's one way to not buy tie-in issues.

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    AriviaArivia I Like A Challenge Earth-1Registered User regular
    Greg Land's porn faces in the last issue of Uncanny, especially on Hope, were just scary.

    Still, it didn't hold a candle to how bad the art in the last issue of Gen Hope was.

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    WiseManTobesWiseManTobes Registered User regular
    edited January 2012
    HEY I WONDER IF WOLVERINE HAS TWO OPPOSING TEAMS YET
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    Wolverine looks ready to throw everyone in Detention!

    edit: Hmm also , he's only got his claws out on the Avengers side.

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    Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    Arivia wrote:
    Greg Land's porn faces in the last issue of Uncanny, especially on Hope, were just scary.

    Still, it didn't hold a candle to how bad the art in the last issue of Gen Hope was.

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    WiseManTobesWiseManTobes Registered User regular
    edited January 2012
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    AriviaArivia I Like A Challenge Earth-1Registered User regular
    Ow Psylocke you can't even stand.

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    poshnialloposhniallo Registered User regular
    I want to start reading Astonishing X-men with #48 (Mike Perkins' start).

    I don't really read comics nowadays, but I keep up with the main storylines. Used to read X-men back in the 80s and 90s.

    Is there an earlier point than #48 that I ought to read Astonishing from? Or can I just start at that issue?

    I figure I could take a bear.
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    HadjiQuestHadjiQuest Registered User regular
    Not only was the art in Uncanny 5 just awful (it looks like Land was trying to trace less heavily in some parts, and somehow that made it even worse), but damn near everyone felt out-of-character except Cyclops, Betsy, and possibly Magneto.

    Creepy Porn-traced Hope was really weird, and it was made weirder by her hitting on Namor constantly. Storm... didn't sound like storm at all.

    And the part that bummed me out the worst was I had no real idea what was going on because I've been trade waiting X-Force. I complained about that in WatXM4 as well, but that book did a really good job of just giving me what I needed to know while still leaving a lot of mystery to make me want to read X-Force. It interrupted the pacing of that book a little, but it worked. This just felt really disjointed and confusing.

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    AriviaArivia I Like A Challenge Earth-1Registered User regular
    poshniallo wrote:
    I want to start reading Astonishing X-men with #48 (Mike Perkins' start).

    I don't really read comics nowadays, but I keep up with the main storylines. Used to read X-men back in the 80s and 90s.

    Is there an earlier point than #48 that I ought to read Astonishing from? Or can I just start at that issue?

    Read a synopsis of Schism and Regenesis and you should be good.

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    AriviaArivia I Like A Challenge Earth-1Registered User regular
    James Asmus confirms Generation Hope is cancelled with #17.

    I guess I have to keep Uncanny now. Boo.

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    SolarSolar Registered User regular
    I am sad because that means Laurie is likely to disappear into limbo, and I think Laurie is really cool.

    Cooler than Hope anyway, who is a terrible person. Good character, just a terrible person.

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    AspectVoidAspectVoid Registered User regular
    Solar wrote:
    I am sad because that means Laurie is likely to disappear into limbo, and I think Laurie is really cool.

    Cooler than Hope anyway, who is a terrible person. Good character, just a terrible person.

    I've paid no attention to the X-Men since Second Coming. Why is Hope a terrible person? I am honestly curious.

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    AriviaArivia I Like A Challenge Earth-1Registered User regular
    AspectVoid wrote:
    Solar wrote:
    I am sad because that means Laurie is likely to disappear into limbo, and I think Laurie is really cool.

    Cooler than Hope anyway, who is a terrible person. Good character, just a terrible person.

    I've paid no attention to the X-Men since Second Coming. Why is Hope a terrible person? I am honestly curious.

    She's very very mercenary and very intent on doing the right thing no matter the cost. Hope's central conflict has been set up as a continual set of situations where emotion or sympathy plays against victory, and she has always made the sacrifice.

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    SolarSolar Registered User regular
    She also has a habit of forcing people around her to do what she wants, both emotionally and through the strange kind of psychic control she has over them.

    What she wants is always what she considers to be the right thing, along with the sacrifice of emotion and sympathy for that right thing like Arivia says, but the fact that she makes the lights follow her is pretty horrible, because they can't say no, even if they want to.

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    AspectVoidAspectVoid Registered User regular
    Solar wrote:
    She also has a habit of forcing people around her to do what she wants, both emotionally and through the strange kind of psychic control she has over them.

    What she wants is always what she considers to be the right thing, along with the sacrifice of emotion and sympathy for that right thing like Arivia says, but the fact that she makes the lights follow her is pretty horrible, because they can't say no, even if they want to.

    Does she know that she's controlling them and is doing so intentionally, or is it just happening and she has no clue?

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    SolarSolar Registered User regular
    AspectVoid wrote:
    Solar wrote:
    She also has a habit of forcing people around her to do what she wants, both emotionally and through the strange kind of psychic control she has over them.

    What she wants is always what she considers to be the right thing, along with the sacrifice of emotion and sympathy for that right thing like Arivia says, but the fact that she makes the lights follow her is pretty horrible, because they can't say no, even if they want to.

    Does she know that she's controlling them and is doing so intentionally, or is it just happening and she has no clue?

    I think that at first she didn't consciously know that she was doing it, but she now does and is pretty fine with that. At the end of the last issue Cyclops said that she couldn't control the kids, and Hope said "Yes I can. I can control them completely" while doing exactly that. And several times she has asked the lights to do things knowing they don't want to but will say yes anyway because it's her.

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    AspectVoidAspectVoid Registered User regular
    Solar wrote:
    AspectVoid wrote:
    Solar wrote:
    She also has a habit of forcing people around her to do what she wants, both emotionally and through the strange kind of psychic control she has over them.

    What she wants is always what she considers to be the right thing, along with the sacrifice of emotion and sympathy for that right thing like Arivia says, but the fact that she makes the lights follow her is pretty horrible, because they can't say no, even if they want to.

    Does she know that she's controlling them and is doing so intentionally, or is it just happening and she has no clue?

    I think that at first she didn't consciously know that she was doing it, but she now does and is pretty fine with that. At the end of the last issue Cyclops said that she couldn't control the kids, and Hope said "Yes I can. I can control them completely" while doing exactly that. And several times she has asked the lights to do things knowing they don't want to but will say yes anyway because it's her.

    Ok, yeah, that's falling to the dark side stuff there. I can totally see why people call her a horrible person. Although, I'll admit, it does kind of make me want to pick up Generation Hope now. It sounds like it would be an interesting read.

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    SolarSolar Registered User regular
    Oh yeah you should, it's a good story. And while some of the characters I find a bit boring, like Idie, some are really cool like Teon and Transonic. It's a nice play on the whole super-messiah thing, the saviour of the mutant race has turned up and it turns out that she is very ruthless and rather amoral. She wants to save her people, and will pay any cost to do so, but will force those around her to make the same sacrifices. And there is interpretation, some people would say that Hope is merely trying to do the right thing with what she has, and some would say that you can't excuse what is effectively the forced brainwashing of young mutants into child soldiers. It's a shame it's ending, but hopefully we will see a good conclusion before it finishes, as well as the lights in other books. Gillen wrote it for a year and he is doing Uncanny, so I think he may pick up on that.

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    AriviaArivia I Like A Challenge Earth-1Registered User regular
    That and Hope is pretty much the catalyst for AvX.

    Also how can you hate Idie Solar you are the worst

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    SolarSolar Registered User regular
    I don't hate her, I just find her to be very dull. She doesn't invoke an emotional response from me at all, really, beyond "bored now."

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    TurambarTurambar Independent Registered User regular
    Solar wrote:
    She also has a habit of forcing people around her to do what she wants, both emotionally and through the strange kind of psychic control she has over them.

    What she wants is always what she considers to be the right thing, along with the sacrifice of emotion and sympathy for that right thing like Arivia says, but the fact that she makes the lights follow her is pretty horrible, because they can't say no, even if they want to.

    She sounds like she could make a really good villain

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    SolarSolar Registered User regular
    Turambar wrote:
    Solar wrote:
    She also has a habit of forcing people around her to do what she wants, both emotionally and through the strange kind of psychic control she has over them.

    What she wants is always what she considers to be the right thing, along with the sacrifice of emotion and sympathy for that right thing like Arivia says, but the fact that she makes the lights follow her is pretty horrible, because they can't say no, even if they want to.

    She sounds like she could make a really good villain

    Probably, yeah.

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    I am surprised that Gen Hope got canned this close to AvX, since the event would likely boost sales a bit.

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    SneaksSneaks Registered User regular
    X-Club #3 Preview
    Admittedly, previews aren't always the first X pages of a book, but I really hope this issue actually just glosses over the fact that Nemesis rode a shark to the surface.

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    Lostprophet8Lostprophet8 Registered User regular
    I had no interest in x-club at first, but the more I see of it, the better it looks.

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    MatevMatev Cero Miedo Registered User regular
    Finally got caught up on WatXM over this weekend. Still so damn good.

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    Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    I can't wait for the next issue, really.

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