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Smashing a Television

obpancakeobpancake Registered User regular
edited February 2010 in Help / Advice Forum
As part of a performance, I'd really like to be able to smash a television. All my google-fu has turned up is that it probably shouldn't be done, but I thought I'd check here and see if these are motherly 'don't play with matches' types of warnings, or serious 'you're going to release toxic substances into the air that are going to kill you' warnings.

I'm also under the impression that televisions should be taken to a safe place to recycle instead of just dumping them in the trash. Would said location take a smashed television?

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  • jedikuonjijedikuonji Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    All I can pass along is this:

    I used to be a Navy electrician. My boss, a veteran with many, many years under his belt, taught me one thing about TVs (CRTs to be specific). Keep in mind this is coming from a man who would work on live circuits all the time.

    "Never open up a CRT. Don't work on them, don't try to repair them, don't break them, just stay away. If you need it fixed or worked on, find a professional."

    Of all the things I learned from him over the years I served with him, that was the one thing he never made light of or joked about at all.

    I'm not sure about the internal workings and such, but I personally wouldn't mess around smashing them up.

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  • FyreWulffFyreWulff YouRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2010
    Don't do it. Not only can they hold a deadly charge for quite an extended time (weeks), but their glass isn't really shatter-resistant.

    When the transition was made to DTV last year, some dumbass just threw their TV over the back fence of this apartment building. blocky glass bits all the way up and down the alley. Very messy to clean up, even more than if you just broke a window.

    A better way would be to find an empty TV chassis and just spraypaint a grey piece of plastic or cardboard and glue it into the front opening.

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  • BlindZenDriverBlindZenDriver Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    The thing is that the tube is pressurized which means when smashed you get more than just the reaction to the force you used. But if you take of that pressure in a relative safe way you should be okay.

    Way back I worked a little at a TV-shop they routinely disarmed TV's on the way to be scrapped. What they did was remove the back of the set, which can be done without touching anything than the outside, and then put one end of a 2x2 piece of wood to the electronics at the base of the tube and give the other end a whack with a hammer. When the pressure is release a small "poof" is heard.

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  • The Crowing OneThe Crowing One Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    If you need a stage prop, see if a professional will gut an old CRT for you. You certainly don't want to smash a CRT with the insides intact. You may even be able to find someone who will give you one instead of tossing it in the garbage for recycling/disposal.

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  • Iceman.USAFIceman.USAF Major East CoastRegistered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Is there any logic to being afraid of these?

    Are you going to be in a well ventilated area and be able to keep some distance between you and the tv? Then go for it. I've smashed my fair share of CRT boxes, and I didn't die *twitch twitch*.

    No really I'm fine.

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  • japanjapan Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Furniture shops sometimes have dummy TVs for their displays. You could ask a couple if they have any they're getting rid of.

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  • Sir Headless VIISir Headless VII Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    If you just want to smash the tube you'll make a mess but nothing bad should happen. The problem you may run into is that crt tvs have large capacitors in them that will store electric charge even when unplugged. If you are smashing the tv and accidentally discharge one into yourself you could die. There are methods of discharging the capacitors to make it safe but I am not qualified to give advice on that.

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  • PrimePrime UKRegistered User regular
    edited February 2010
    As someone who repairs CRT TVs and has witnessed a few broken ones and had to dispose of some himself I can say there is a safe way to do it although I still don't recommend it.

    Take off the back then:

    First - Discharge the CRT, this is done with two long screw drivers, slip one under the rubber seal at the top center of the CRT and make sure its touching the metal clip underneath, then touch the other one along the shaft of that screw driver also having it touch the glass back with the tip. Do this a few times leaving a few minutes in-between.

    Second - Using a hammer and a bit of wood hit the plastic part of the neck (which is attached to the end of the glass part of the neck). All being well a large hissing sound should happen as air rushes in and that should be all the pressure gone.
    You can now do what you like with it.

    For those interested about the dangers of just smashing it there is very real danger of pretty much instant death and its nothing to do with the chems or materials its purely the force of the implosion.
    Glass shards fly into the CRT cavity, hit each other at such force that they are then expelled at crazy force.
    I've seen insurance claims where the TV front smashed and there were bits of glass imbedded in the wall.

    edit: Obviously the bigger the set more the danger, smaller sets wont cause that much damage.

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  • AlwaysNewDepthsAlwaysNewDepths Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Echoing it's a bad idea, it's pressurized and there are capacitors that can hold a lethal charge for quite some time.

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  • symbolsorsymbolsor Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    My dad had a story about a TV. He and a buddy were working on a car when something fell and hit this broken tv. Some sort of ooze (maybe not ooze, I was young) squirted out of the tv and hit a wrench they had laying around. It MELTED straight through the wrench. I know, anecdotal and all, but still. I'll never open a CRT up.

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  • GoofballGoofball Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Echoing it's a bad idea, it's pressurized and there are capacitors that can hold a lethal charge for quite some time.

    CRTs are not pressurized, they hold a vacuum internally. When the CRT shatters the extremely thick glass at the front rapidly collapses under atmospheric pressure with enough force to reflect shards of glass back outwards with lots of force at a pretty good clip.

    Seconding/thirding/whatevering the warning about the capacitors or playing around with the electronics in a CRT display. They contain extremely high voltages (20,000+ volts in parts of the flyback transformer circuit) in large storage amounts and discharge very, very rapidly. This can quite easily kill you if you happen to discharge one of these to ground via your body. They can hold these charges for an extremely long time.

    My suggestion would be to see if you can acquire a TV housing minus the internals and black out the inside, then place a couple of sheets of safety glass inside the housing at the front and smash that. It'll be a lot safer and also way easier to smash and clean up than the possibly several inches thick glass of a CRT tube.

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  • Captain VashCaptain Vash Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    The electrical concerns are bad enough.
    Throw in flying glass coming out at varying speeds and unpredictable angles it is all around a terrible idea.

    And this is coming from a man who most definitely does not live in fear of danger.

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  • LurkLurk Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    I remember a case of someone trying to fiddle with an CRT built into a some sort of promotional display. This CRT was probably unused for couple of years at that point and still gave off a charge strong enough to mess someone up.

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  • KlorgnumKlorgnum Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Goofball wrote: »
    Echoing it's a bad idea, it's pressurized and there are capacitors that can hold a lethal charge for quite some time.

    CRTs are not pressurized, they hold a vacuum internally. When the CRT shatters the extremely thick glass at the front rapidly collapses under atmospheric pressure with enough force to reflect shards of glass back outwards with lots of force at a pretty good clip.

    I'd say it's this you should be the most worried about. If you're doing it for a performance, you don't want to risk sending shards of glass into the audience.

    Not that the electrical aspect is something to ignore, but I'd say it's less of a worry than this.

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  • exmelloexmello Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Older CRTs don't just shatter from an impact to front like you see in movies anyway. I had a science teacher do a demo where he took a sledgehammer to the glass face and barely even chipped it.

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  • DelzhandDelzhand Registered User, Transition Team regular
    edited February 2010
    I broke open an old CRT monitor once, and it's like exmello said - they're really fucking hard to break. A baseball bat right to the center of the screen will just bounce right off.

    For a performance, maybe it would be possible to make a prop-tv where a glass screen is backed with tape so even if you break it you won't get glass shards everywhere?

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  • GafotoGafoto Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    It seems like removing all the innards and placing some stage glass in the place of the CRT would be a better, safer option. Also it would be easier to lug around.

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  • musanmanmusanman Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Doesn't deserve it's own thread so I'm curious: my little brother had a tv that started leaking. I made the joke he got drunk and peed on it, because that's what it looked like, but he swears this is not the case. It was destroyed, but it was coming from inside the tv.

    What the hell was that?

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  • ashridahashridah Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Not sure if someone's mentioned this before, but furniture stores often have fake TVs for display purposes. Go to one with a semi-realistic looking one, and ask where they got it? They probably have old ones that have the CRT type lying around even, since the flat panel fake tvs will have taken over now.

    If you need broken glass, replace the front of it with shatter-resistant glass (the kind that crumbles), and then break it. Should solve many of the saftey concerns. Reusable too.
    If the TV needs to be on during the performance, you're probably SOL.

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