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Microsoft shuts off original Xbox CONTENT servers without warning - all DLC gonzo
Deusfaux
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....and without any warning either.
http://kotaku.com/5465871/dlc-removal-threatens-halo-2-farewell
Which means you weren't given a chance to redownload any DLC for Halo 2 or Splinter Cell or Ninja Gaiden or whatnot.
And even though the ability to play online might be around till April, lots of games require your game has all the latest DLC and patches first.
I'm pretty irritated because I have several xbox games here and a 360, but the original box is in another city, and I would have downloaded all the DLC I could to the 360, given the opportunity.
I think if you yell at Major Nelson or MSFT some, they'll turn it back on at least for a bit. It's pretty rotten to give a warning about shutting down online play and have zero mention of killing DLC.
This also highlights the huge problems with digital content and access to it just disappearing one day.
I can only imagine how the people who PAID for DLC feel...
on a sidenote, anyone got a list of all the original games that had DLC? or could we start one?
http://kotaku.com/5465871/dlc-removal-threatens-halo-2-farewell
Which means you weren't given a chance to redownload any DLC for Halo 2 or Splinter Cell or Ninja Gaiden or whatnot.
And even though the ability to play online might be around till April, lots of games require your game has all the latest DLC and patches first.
I'm pretty irritated because I have several xbox games here and a 360, but the original box is in another city, and I would have downloaded all the DLC I could to the 360, given the opportunity.
I think if you yell at Major Nelson or MSFT some, they'll turn it back on at least for a bit. It's pretty rotten to give a warning about shutting down online play and have zero mention of killing DLC.
This also highlights the huge problems with digital content and access to it just disappearing one day.
I can only imagine how the people who PAID for DLC feel...
on a sidenote, anyone got a list of all the original games that had DLC? or could we start one?
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This is a distinct news item that only came to light after that original announcement.
Losing access to free and paid DLC (on any platform) is a very different issue.
Some notice would have been nice, but really overall how much play can Xbox 1 games get?
It does mean everything. Anyone who read that would understand it to mean it would all shut down come April.
The issue is that they shut down significant portions of it already without notice. Which is a very poor way of doing business, IMO.
Some would even argue they should have the right to access their DLC, even if online play servers are shut down.
Microsoft reserves complete and sole discretion with respect to the operation of the Service. Microsoft may, among other things:
(a) restrict or limit access to the Service;
(b) retrieve information from the original Xbox, Xbox 360 console, personal computer, and any connected peripheral device used to log onto the Service as necessary to operate and protect the security of the Service, and to enforce this contract; and
(c) upgrade, modify, withdraw, suspend, or discontinue any functionality or feature of the Service, any game or other content available or accessible through the Service, or any hardware or software associated with the Service or with an original Xbox or Xbox 360 console, or personal computer, from time to time without notice, which may involve the automatic download of related software directly to your original Xbox, Xbox 360 console, or personal computer, including software that prevents you from accessing the Service, playing pirated games, or using unauthorized hardware peripheral devices.
Doesn't make it any less crappy on their part, but everyone that is active on Xbox Live has agreed to those terms.
Can you please provide a notable example of when digital content access has been revoked before? People lost their shit over the George Orwell books on the Kindle.
All DLC, paid and free.
Yes, but the DLC hasn't been disabled
They simply removed the links to download them, so if you didn't have them downloaded already, oh well
Its... problematic... no doubt, but microsoft cant realistically be expected to provide the content forever.
I agree again though that its a crappy thing for them to not give any notice.
It doesn't matter. People entered into an agreement, Microsoft exercised their rights on this agreement
I suppose it kinda sucks for people still playing the shit out of original Xbox games (all three of them), but even the article you linked pretty much says "Well it sucks because Halo 2 won't be getting a fitting send-off party"
this only really blows because i intended to grab the halo 2 maps to give the game a send off but now i am shit out of luck. it's a shame, i can't remember the last time i played it online.
What if I got other Xbox games new to my collection and wanted the DLC for them? What if something happens to corrupt my Xbox data, or break the console and I need a new one?
On the PC this has always been less of an issue, cuz backups of everything are out there somwhere on the web. Yet only one place to get this particular type of content, and it has just up and vanished.
Maybe you should have played those games when they came out!
New Xbox games to your collection? That ship sailed five years ago now.
You seriously couldn't expect MS to keep all their DLC up forever and ever.
Especially with the news that the multiplayer service would be shutting down in April, and most DLC being online-focused.
They also don't enter into contracts saying the rights to watch those old movies, read those old books or listen to that old music can be taken away at any time, for any cause whatsoever
When you go through Live, or any download service, there is something that says "I Agree to the Terms/Conditions etc."
Most people just gloss over it because what good could reading possibly do, right?
Well, now you know.
if you're hoping to get your Halo 2 in, i wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft at least makes that games DLC available for a little bit in response to what i can only assume will be uproar from the halo community.
But it being legal and above board technically doesn't mean its not a shitty thing for them to do. Even if they said "Hey everyone, in a month's time all DLC will be shut down forever, download it while you can!", that would have been fine.
I just hate when people cry foul on things that they agreed to.
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You might've wanted to tell Microsoft that before they started putting Xbox games up on the XBL Marketplace.
It's not a legal issue, it's a moral one. I don't own a Xbox or a 360 but this sets a really bad precedent. There's so many patches and DLC packs with important features and fixes, that removing them completely would actually affect the game experience.
I feel like a crusty old fogey when i say that at the tender age of 25, but man, I'd just rather have a disk sometimes. not that any of that relates directly, since were talking about dlc but yeah.
Again, we can chalk this up to a legal issue, but not a realistic/practical issue.
Legally, everyone agreed to this when they signed that agreement.
Realistically, and practically, everyone knows that most people don't read EULAs, and Microsoft should know this. Thus, while they were technically within their rights to do this under the agreement, morally, they should really know that most people don't expect them to do something like this.
What if they just suddenly shut it off now. They'd be completely within their right to do so. But it would be a completely dick move that would piss off a lot of people. Just like doing this out of the blue.
I don't think anybody here is stating that Microsoft overstepped their bounds, which appears to be what you're arguing about. Everything I've read seems to indicate people only feel this was shitty of them to do so, and not even give notice.
Edit: This has been covered a couple times already, I see.
And they have the right to not allow 3rd parties to offer it as well since its their platform.
So as upsetting as it is to know that its very likely at some point that i will no longer be able to re-download my xbox live arcade games, or access content that i paid to access in wow 3 years ago thats being destroyed, or even play AVP2 online as i mentioned earlier... there comes a point when i sort of have to understaqnd that the supply and demand for such things is in constant ebb and flow.
More than that, you utterly silly goose.