So Tecmo and Oatmeal Cookie Face have come to an agreement.
Back in mid-2008, you may recall former Team Ninja head Tomonobu Itagaki leaving Tecmo and filing a lawsuit regarding, in his words, a dispute over "unpaid completion bonuses" for Dead of Alive 4 and "unreasonable and disingenuous statements" by Tecmo president Yoshimi Yasuda (who has since left Tecmo).
As of today, the lawsuit has been settled out of court. And Itagaki has supplied 1UP with the below letter explaining his side of the story:
"To Whom It May Concern
Regarding Settlement With Tecmo, Ltd:
I, Tomonobu Itagaki, announce that a settlement was amicably reached on February 26th, 2010 upon a mutual agreement with respect to the lawsuit for remuneration, etc. that I filed against Tecmo, Ltd. claiming the payment of unpaid remuneration, and unpaid wages, and payment of compensation for dismissal, etc.
To All of My Fans:
I thank you from the bottom of my heart for your great help and words of encouragement which have been extended to me so far. I can't hardly wait for the day of announcing my newest work in progress to you all, but I promise you now that I will deliver to you an enjoyable game with depth that surpasses all the games I created before, and is worthy of being world-class entertainment.
As big a jerk as the dude is, Tecmo somehow managed to be bigger jerks to him. So, glad to see that justice has been done and the jerk level can be lowered back to "egotism with mild sexual harassment."
So when he talks about his games having depth, he's talking about cleavages that rival real-world valleys right?
That's what Namco means when they use the word "depth", so I'm going to say....yes.
That gap is changing, though. Probably by the end of this generation the PS3 will have outsold the 360 in the US.
Really? I don't have numbers handy or anything, but I didn't have the impression that the PS3 was beating the 360 enough month-to-month to make up for the significant gap between the two in the US.
That gap is changing, though. Probably by the end of this generation the PS3 will have outsold the 360 in the US.
Really? I don't have numbers handy or anything, but I didn't have the impression that the PS3 was beating the 360 enough month-to-month to make up for the significant gap between the two in the US.
To be honest, I didn't think it was even clear when this console generation will have ended. That alone makes it difficult to predict where we'll stand when it ends, whenever it does. Particularly when you consider that, by this time, the Xbox 360 had already come out in the original Xbox's life cycle.
Then again, no one thought the original Xbox would have outsold the Gamecube. At least I didn't. Weirder things have happened.
There's some numbers. Yeah, I don't think the PS3 is catching up. Looking at the second half of 2009, the PS3 outsold the 360 by about 60,000. At that pace, it'd take over five years to catch up.
And that pace probably won't last, considering the 360 outsold the PS3 in three of the last four months.
There's some numbers. Yeah, I don't think the PS3 is catching up. Looking at the second half of 2009, the PS3 outsold the 360 by about 60,000. At that pace, it'd take over five years to catch up.
And that pace probably won't last, considering the 360 outsold the PS3 in three of the last four months.
Gaining 120k a year, it would take a lot longer than 5 years to make up a 7.5 million gap.
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There's some numbers. Yeah, I don't think the PS3 is catching up. Looking at the second half of 2009, the PS3 outsold the 360 by about 60,000. At that pace, it'd take over five years to catch up.
And that pace probably won't last, considering the 360 outsold the PS3 in three of the last four months.
Gaining 120k a year, it would take a lot longer than 5 years to make up a 7.5 million gap.
The PS3 will probably never catch the 360 in North America but I think it will pass it worldwide. Isn't the gap something like 5 million (eh guess)?
There's some numbers. Yeah, I don't think the PS3 is catching up. Looking at the second half of 2009, the PS3 outsold the 360 by about 60,000. At that pace, it'd take over five years to catch up.
And that pace probably won't last, considering the 360 outsold the PS3 in three of the last four months.
Gaining 120k a year, it would take a lot longer than 5 years to make up a 7.5 million gap.
The PS3 will probably never catch the 360 in North America but I think it will pass it worldwide. Isn't the gap something like 5 million (eh guess)?
I could be wrong, but I think it's extremely difficult to do one without doing the other. It might be a case of "As goes the United States, so goes Canada and Australia."
It's a 5.5 to 6 million unit gap (as of January), so about that.
There's some numbers. Yeah, I don't think the PS3 is catching up. Looking at the second half of 2009, the PS3 outsold the 360 by about 60,000. At that pace, it'd take over five years to catch up.
And that pace probably won't last, considering the 360 outsold the PS3 in three of the last four months.
Gaining 120k a year, it would take a lot longer than 5 years to make up a 7.5 million gap.
The PS3 will probably never catch the 360 in North America but I think it will pass it worldwide. Isn't the gap something like 5 million (eh guess)?
I could be wrong, but I think it's extremely difficult to do one without doing the other. It might be a case of "As goes the United States, so goes Canada and Australia."
It's a 5.5 to 6 million unit gap (as of January), so about that.
Think of it this way, if they caught up in the US they would have caught up in worldwide sales. That is without Europe or Japan having any increases in PS3 sales over 360 sales. If the PS3 only caught up by 2 million in the US but sold another 2 million in Europe as well as 1 million in Japan (all just hypotheticals) it would have almost caught up. I can see this happening over time.
In the past 3 years, the PS3 has only "gained" about 3.9 million consoles over what the 360 has in the same amount of time. Worldwide.
In other words, at the rate the PS3 has been selling, it "gains" about 1.2 or 1.25 million consoles over the 360 per year.
IF we assume a 6 million unit gap, that means that at the current rate, it would take another 4.5 to 5 years for the PS3 to catch up to the Xbox 360 assuming the 360 continues to sell at its current rate. Worldwide.
In other words, if sales continue to trend the way they've been trending, it'll be 2014 or 2015 before the PS3 "catches up" to the 360 in terms of install base.
If Sony wants to catch up to the 360 install base any sooner than that, they need to do something to sell consoles more quickly.
They've been cranking out more and higher-quality exclusives than the 360 for quite some time now, the price is reasonable, they've got Blu-ray in, free online, free Netflix
Short of offering oral sex, what more can they do with the PS3?
It only does everything (except backwards compatibility and oral sex)
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Honestly, I think it is a lost battle. THe curse of entering a console generation last with a machine nearly identical to the compatition in the eyes of the casual shopper but a lot more expensive.
Not much you can do when the overall mainstream opinion in the market seems to have largely solidified. It's been too long.
And as good as their games have been, they haven't had any really huge mainstream exclusives. The biggest mainstream games this gen (on the HD consoles), Call of Duty 4 and 4-2 and Grand Theft Auto, have been multiplatform and simultaneous release. And it takes more than a single one to do it, it's got to be consistent. Fortunately for Microsoft, the huge mainstream hits have been consistently supported on their console so far. And supported they have; these games differ practically not at all to most people. In other words, for the biggest mainstream hits, the two are practically interchangeable. Not much Sony can do about that.
A price drop is an option but unlikely to help much right now. Their nearest competitor at least offers a $200 iteration.
Anyway, the biggest hurdle is changing the market-at-large's opinion. Which is extremely hard to do this late in the game. The 360 seems to have the reputation as being better for traditional gaming and for being the place to go for the biggest mainstream hits.
It seems to me like the only reason anyone would opt for a PS3 over a 360 at this point is if they want Bluray functionality, or they are particularly interested in exclusive PS3 games. The latter really only affects hobbyist gamers, which aren't a very large portion of the market. And the former, well, you have to ask how many people looking for a gaming system are also looking for and want a BluRay player that prefer the two in one enough anyway.
360 is going to have a rough year until Halo not 4 comes out.
Halo 3.2? 3.14? I don't know. But they could use a price drop.
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Maybe I'm looking at it from too narrow of a mindset, but the last price drop still seems pretty...well, recent.
Maybe bundling consoles with a game at the same price. I don't know, I don't tend to buy consoles with games.
It's hard to say how much the PS3 has to look forward to, after the new God of War comes out. There's FFXIII, but given that that's multiplatform, I don't think it'll be quite the system pusher we'd expect otherwise (seems like a given). After GoW, then what? There could very well something, that I've just missed, but even GoW isnt' too promising if we just go by previous numbers (GoW sold 2.4 million copies, the sequel less, on what was the obviously dominant console of that time period...if compared directly to what we might expect from Halo Reach vis-a-vis the earlier Halo titles, it looks like it'll do perfectly well, but not that well).
There probably is a PS3-exclusive title in the wings that I'm overlooking, of course. GoW is just the only one that comes to mind, and it's not nearly as successful as I thought it was (though GoW III could turn all that around).
It seems to me like the only reason anyone would opt for a PS3 over a 360 at this point is if they want Bluray functionality, or they are particularly interested in exclusive PS3 games. The latter really only affects hobbyist gamers, which aren't a very large portion of the market. And the former, well, you have to ask how many people looking for a gaming system are also looking for and want a BluRay player that prefer the two in one enough anyway.
It's not a perfect comparison, but I kind of think of the blu-ray issue as being comparable to the time of the release of the Slim--it's nice to have a PS2 and a PS3 together, but PS2s had gotten fairly cheap anyway, and if that was all you were looking for...it's a no-brainer. Good, wireless Netflix-capable BR players seem to be getting much cheaper (my dad picked up one recently), and they also come with much better remotes for the actual purpose of watching a BR. And the 360 is cheaper...
Of course, the PS3's games could sweeten the deal. But that kind of strays into the other category of buyers.
When I said "really want bluray functionality" I meant in addition to gaming. (in other words I don't see a lot of people looking only to buy bluray players even really considering buying PS3s unless they also have already decided they want an hd console). In my opinion, of the group of people looking to buy a video game console, whether it has bluray functionality or not is a very low priority consideration as compared to price of the console and what major mainstream games it has, for the market at large that is.
Overall people buying videogame consoles are looking for the ones that play the games they want and price and not much else. The other features and capabiltiies and exclusives and what not affect a much smaller portion of the market.
Thats pretty dang harsh... in a way though some of the comments echo's my own personal sentiments.
I feel the Wii is a great secondary system. I know this is not everybody's opinion and i know more than one gamer who only have a Wii and actually play the hell out of it.
Personally though I cant see myself with a Wii as a primary and only system. I'm also having a devil of a time trying to find one to fill out my need for Nintendo console games.
You mean primary, right; since more people own the Wii + another system?
Actually, when I was buying my PS3, I wasn't really considering blu ray all that much. Sure, it's a nice feature and a possible investment in the "future", but I just wanted to play some games. Games that are freely available on PS3 as well as 360 and/or are exclusive to PS3 (Uncharted was a real important part of the decision). You do the ole "pick 5 exclusives you want to play and get that system because most games are multi platform now for big dev bucks" thing and you're basically good to go.
Sure, Sony probably should have a sensible lead with the free online and whatnot, but MS got through the RROD debacle and have supreme fanbase loyalty now, so they look to be the top dog this generation.
Thats pretty dang harsh... in a way though some of the comments echo's my own personal sentiments.
I feel the Wii is a great secondary system. I know this is not everybody's opinion and i know more than one gamer who only have a Wii and actually play the hell out of it.
Personally though I cant see myself with a Wii as a primary and only system. I'm also having a devil of a time trying to find one to fill out my need for Nintendo console games.
You mean primary, right; since more people own the Wii + another system?
according to the graphs i posted, no, 42% of people own a 360 or PS3 and consider the wii secondary.
Whilst the percentage that consider the wii primary is considerably lower.
That gap is changing, though. Probably by the end of this generation the PS3 will have outsold the 360 in the US.
Really? I don't have numbers handy or anything, but I didn't have the impression that the PS3 was beating the 360 enough month-to-month to make up for the significant gap between the two in the US.
To be honest, I didn't think it was even clear when this console generation will have ended. That alone makes it difficult to predict where we'll stand when it ends, whenever it does. Particularly when you consider that, by this time, the Xbox 360 had already come out in the original Xbox's life cycle.
Then again, no one thought the original Xbox would have outsold the Gamecube. At least I didn't. Weirder things have happened.
I'm just trying to throw it a bone. I figure if Pachter can pull data out of his ass and get paid for it, the least I could do is play nice for a console I don't care for...
I mean, MS could decide to launch a new console in 2012 (Dec. 21...) and SONY decides they don't need to. Eventually it would have to surpass the 360, right?
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We'll almost certainly see a new Xbox model before the PS3 catches up to the 360 at the current rate. If Sony is really dedicated to the whole idea of the PS3 being a ten-year system (which would be a really terrible idea), then they can look forward to a new Xbox which is fully compatible with all the 360 games (now that Microsoft owns the hardware) and has better hardware than the PS3.
I see no reason why Nintendo should abandon it's current business plan, but Sony will have to decide whether to stick with its idiotic claims based on the dominance of its prior system versus letting Microsoft have free run of the next next-gen system without providing a competing product. The PS3 catching up to the 360 will be a hollow victory if it happens because Microsoft stops selling 360s because they've moved on to the latest and greatest product while Sony keeps banging its head against its own edict of a ten-year cycle.
Personally, I hope Sony makes the smart move and has a competing product under development (because Microsoft almost certainly does). I don't like Sony as a company and have no personal desire to own a PS3 at the moment, but if nothing else the competition has led to fewer exclusives and required extra effort on both sides to get the attention of current and new customers. I think the PS3 and 360 competing so closely has been one of the best things about this current console generation and I hope it happens the next time around as well.
I can guarantee all 3 companies have some sort of prototype for their next console in design right now and whenever the time is right they will unleash it. The thing is, with the costs of consoles being what they are right now, that time won't be coming for a while. Doubly so with the console relaunching they're expecting to do with Natal and the Arc/Sphere/Swaggle.
Thats pretty dang harsh... in a way though some of the comments echo's my own personal sentiments.
I feel the Wii is a great secondary system. I know this is not everybody's opinion and i know more than one gamer who only have a Wii and actually play the hell out of it.
Personally though I cant see myself with a Wii as a primary and only system. I'm also having a devil of a time trying to find one to fill out my need for Nintendo console games.
You mean primary, right; since more people own the Wii + another system?
according to the graphs i posted, no, 42% of people own a 360 or PS3 and consider the wii secondary.
Whilst the percentage that consider the wii primary is considerably lower.
If it's this graph you mean, it says nothing about primary and secondary consoles. It just tells about cross ownership.
The 42% of 360 owners who also owns a Wii are the same 26% of Wii owners who also own a 360.
The percentages would have been the same if the total sales for both consoles were the same.
so for example in june of 2009, just over 11% of 360 owners were active on the console?
That graph shows the percentage of the time measured was taken up by 360, PS3, Wii, etc. However it does not even add up to more then 50%, and does not say what it measures. (The remaining time could be time played on PC, DS, PSP or time playing with themselves.)
It gives no info on the percentages of 360 owners who turned their consoles on.
Another point of interest is the selection of Y axis range. The graph goes from 5% to 12% which puts the Wii at the bottom, making it look much worse then it really is.
Maybe I'm looking at it from too narrow of a mindset, but the last price drop still seems pretty...well, recent.
Maybe bundling consoles with a game at the same price. I don't know, I don't tend to buy consoles with games.
They could drop the Elite's price another US$50 but I'm not sure it'd have as much effect as
It's hard to say how much the PS3 has to look forward to, after the new God of War comes out. There's FFXIII, but given that that's multiplatform, I don't think it'll be quite the system pusher we'd expect otherwise (seems like a given). After GoW, then what? There could very well something, that I've just missed, but even GoW isnt' too promising if we just go by previous numbers (GoW sold 2.4 million copies, the sequel less, on what was the obviously dominant console of that time period...if compared directly to what we might expect from Halo Reach vis-a-vis the earlier Halo titles, it looks like it'll do perfectly well, but not that well).
There probably is a PS3-exclusive title in the wings that I'm overlooking, of course. GoW is just the only one that comes to mind, and it's not nearly as successful as I thought it was (though GoW III could turn all that around).
Final Fantasy XIII's coming out before God of War 3. :P
As for upcoming PS3 exclusives, Sony seems to be keeping their cards a little closer to their chest than usual. There are a few already announced games I'm interested in (Last Guardian, GT5, FF Versus XIII and maybe Rockstar's Agent), but I'm expecting them to announce quite a few games at their Gamers Day and E3.
And yeah, of course all three companies are working on their next systems. It's not like it takes 6 months to build them, they're working on them from the moment their previous system was released. The Cell, for instance, was being talked about way back in 2001.
This is the real usage chart. The Wii is the fugly yellow one. Huh, which one is ahead in the recent months...HMM...
PS2.
Of course, I could also say that this is a chart that tracks 'which console do gamers hate the most' what with it being poorly charted and just a picture on flickr...
Final Fantasy XIII's coming out before God of War 3. :P
I know. :P FFXIII is coming out next month, I'm well aware of that. I'm speaking in general that there aren't that many headliners for the PS3 period, and was addressing what should have been (but isn't) the biggest exclusive system seller.
That gap is changing, though. Probably by the end of this generation the PS3 will have outsold the 360 in the US.
Really? I don't have numbers handy or anything, but I didn't have the impression that the PS3 was beating the 360 enough month-to-month to make up for the significant gap between the two in the US.
To be honest, I didn't think it was even clear when this console generation will have ended. That alone makes it difficult to predict where we'll stand when it ends, whenever it does. Particularly when you consider that, by this time, the Xbox 360 had already come out in the original Xbox's life cycle.
Then again, no one thought the original Xbox would have outsold the Gamecube. At least I didn't. Weirder things have happened.
I'm just trying to throw it a bone. I figure if Pachter can pull data out of his ass and get paid for it, the least I could do is play nice for a console I don't care for...
I mean, MS could decide to launch a new console in 2012 (Dec. 21...) and SONY decides they don't need to. Eventually it would have to surpass the 360, right?
Yeah, in that case, it becomes a rather Pyrrhic victory. "We've overcome the Xbox 360! *applause* Unfortunately, Microsoft's <successor console> has recently broken the ten million unit mark, and we still haven't announced ours...."
I really hadn't thought any of the companies had toyed around with a new console yet, but that could very well be naivety on my part, given the stakes involved. I'm just comparing it to the last cycle, when there was at least some discussion of the next consoles years earlier.
If it's this graph you mean, it says nothing about primary and secondary consoles. It just tells about cross ownership.
The 42% of 360 owners who also owns a Wii are the same 26% of Wii owners who also own a 360.
The percentages would have been the same if the total sales for both consoles were the same.
The percentages on that graph make no sense to me.
For the sake of argument, let's say they polled 1000 Wii owners. Then there are 420 who own a Wii and Xbox 360, and 420 who own a Wii and PS3. So then they would have to have polled 1615 Xbox 360 owners (so that the 420 = 26% of that user base). That gives us 549 PS3/360 owners polled, with a total of about 3050 PS3 owners polled.
Where in the world, other than some sort of PS3 fan site, do you get a "random" sampling of console owners that is completely backwards compared to the actual rates of console ownership?
If it's this graph you mean, it says nothing about primary and secondary consoles. It just tells about cross ownership.
The 42% of 360 owners who also owns a Wii are the same 26% of Wii owners who also own a 360.
The percentages would have been the same if the total sales for both consoles were the same.
The percentages on that graph make no sense to me.
For the sake of argument, let's say they polled 1000 Wii owners. Then there are 420 who own a Wii and Xbox 360, and 420 who own a Wii and PS3. So then they would have to have polled 1615 Xbox 360 owners (so that the 420 = 26% of that user base). That gives us 549 PS3/360 owners polled, with a total of about 3050 PS3 owners polled.
Where in the world, other than some sort of PS3 fan site, do you get a "random" sampling of console owners that is completely backwards compared to the actual rates of console ownership?
You're forgetting that the Wii is the higher selling console so it would skew the actual numbers. This is just a percentage of ownership based on who owns what.
Also, you're reading it wrong. 42% of 360 and PS3 owners also own a Wii. 26% and 14% of Wii owners also own a 360 or PS3. Because the Wii has higher sales numbers, fewer Wii owners own the 'other' console. But the others have lower numbers, which means a higher chance of owning a Wii.
Without the base numbers of the survey, it makes it hard to read the graph. Which makes it generally useless except to prove a 'point'.
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Of course, the numbers of Wiis sold by then would line the walls of the Space Elevator (since they woudn't be in use). But hey, baby steps, right?
That's what Namco means when they use the word "depth", so I'm going to say....yes.
Really? I don't have numbers handy or anything, but I didn't have the impression that the PS3 was beating the 360 enough month-to-month to make up for the significant gap between the two in the US.
To be honest, I didn't think it was even clear when this console generation will have ended. That alone makes it difficult to predict where we'll stand when it ends, whenever it does. Particularly when you consider that, by this time, the Xbox 360 had already come out in the original Xbox's life cycle.
Then again, no one thought the original Xbox would have outsold the Gamecube. At least I didn't. Weirder things have happened.
There's some numbers. Yeah, I don't think the PS3 is catching up. Looking at the second half of 2009, the PS3 outsold the 360 by about 60,000. At that pace, it'd take over five years to catch up.
And that pace probably won't last, considering the 360 outsold the PS3 in three of the last four months.
But yeah, all things remaining the same, the PS3 catching up will be very difficult.
Gaining 120k a year, it would take a lot longer than 5 years to make up a 7.5 million gap.
The PS3 will probably never catch the 360 in North America but I think it will pass it worldwide. Isn't the gap something like 5 million (eh guess)?
I could be wrong, but I think it's extremely difficult to do one without doing the other. It might be a case of "As goes the United States, so goes Canada and Australia."
It's a 5.5 to 6 million unit gap (as of January), so about that.
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More or less. Not enough to push the PS3 into the lead worldwide, but yeah, it's still a cold reception.
Think of it this way, if they caught up in the US they would have caught up in worldwide sales. That is without Europe or Japan having any increases in PS3 sales over 360 sales. If the PS3 only caught up by 2 million in the US but sold another 2 million in Europe as well as 1 million in Japan (all just hypotheticals) it would have almost caught up. I can see this happening over time.
In other words, at the rate the PS3 has been selling, it "gains" about 1.2 or 1.25 million consoles over the 360 per year.
IF we assume a 6 million unit gap, that means that at the current rate, it would take another 4.5 to 5 years for the PS3 to catch up to the Xbox 360 assuming the 360 continues to sell at its current rate. Worldwide.
In other words, if sales continue to trend the way they've been trending, it'll be 2014 or 2015 before the PS3 "catches up" to the 360 in terms of install base.
If Sony wants to catch up to the 360 install base any sooner than that, they need to do something to sell consoles more quickly.
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It may just be a lost battle
They've been cranking out more and higher-quality exclusives than the 360 for quite some time now, the price is reasonable, they've got Blu-ray in, free online, free Netflix
Short of offering oral sex, what more can they do with the PS3?
It only does everything (except backwards compatibility and oral sex)
And as good as their games have been, they haven't had any really huge mainstream exclusives. The biggest mainstream games this gen (on the HD consoles), Call of Duty 4 and 4-2 and Grand Theft Auto, have been multiplatform and simultaneous release. And it takes more than a single one to do it, it's got to be consistent. Fortunately for Microsoft, the huge mainstream hits have been consistently supported on their console so far. And supported they have; these games differ practically not at all to most people. In other words, for the biggest mainstream hits, the two are practically interchangeable. Not much Sony can do about that.
A price drop is an option but unlikely to help much right now. Their nearest competitor at least offers a $200 iteration.
Anyway, the biggest hurdle is changing the market-at-large's opinion. Which is extremely hard to do this late in the game. The 360 seems to have the reputation as being better for traditional gaming and for being the place to go for the biggest mainstream hits.
It seems to me like the only reason anyone would opt for a PS3 over a 360 at this point is if they want Bluray functionality, or they are particularly interested in exclusive PS3 games. The latter really only affects hobbyist gamers, which aren't a very large portion of the market. And the former, well, you have to ask how many people looking for a gaming system are also looking for and want a BluRay player that prefer the two in one enough anyway.
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Halo 3.2? 3.14? I don't know. But they could use a price drop.
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Maybe I'm looking at it from too narrow of a mindset, but the last price drop still seems pretty...well, recent.
Maybe bundling consoles with a game at the same price. I don't know, I don't tend to buy consoles with games.
It's hard to say how much the PS3 has to look forward to, after the new God of War comes out. There's FFXIII, but given that that's multiplatform, I don't think it'll be quite the system pusher we'd expect otherwise (seems like a given). After GoW, then what? There could very well something, that I've just missed, but even GoW isnt' too promising if we just go by previous numbers (GoW sold 2.4 million copies, the sequel less, on what was the obviously dominant console of that time period...if compared directly to what we might expect from Halo Reach vis-a-vis the earlier Halo titles, it looks like it'll do perfectly well, but not that well).
There probably is a PS3-exclusive title in the wings that I'm overlooking, of course. GoW is just the only one that comes to mind, and it's not nearly as successful as I thought it was (though GoW III could turn all that around).
It's not a perfect comparison, but I kind of think of the blu-ray issue as being comparable to the time of the release of the Slim--it's nice to have a PS2 and a PS3 together, but PS2s had gotten fairly cheap anyway, and if that was all you were looking for...it's a no-brainer. Good, wireless Netflix-capable BR players seem to be getting much cheaper (my dad picked up one recently), and they also come with much better remotes for the actual purpose of watching a BR. And the 360 is cheaper...
Of course, the PS3's games could sweeten the deal. But that kind of strays into the other category of buyers.
Overall people buying videogame consoles are looking for the ones that play the games they want and price and not much else. The other features and capabiltiies and exclusives and what not affect a much smaller portion of the market.
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You mean primary, right; since more people own the Wii + another system?
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Sure, Sony probably should have a sensible lead with the free online and whatnot, but MS got through the RROD debacle and have supreme fanbase loyalty now, so they look to be the top dog this generation.
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I asked for a name not it's review score.
according to the graphs i posted, no, 42% of people own a 360 or PS3 and consider the wii secondary.
Whilst the percentage that consider the wii primary is considerably lower.
*snaps three times*
I'm just trying to throw it a bone. I figure if Pachter can pull data out of his ass and get paid for it, the least I could do is play nice for a console I don't care for...
I mean, MS could decide to launch a new console in 2012 (Dec. 21...) and SONY decides they don't need to. Eventually it would have to surpass the 360, right?
I see no reason why Nintendo should abandon it's current business plan, but Sony will have to decide whether to stick with its idiotic claims based on the dominance of its prior system versus letting Microsoft have free run of the next next-gen system without providing a competing product. The PS3 catching up to the 360 will be a hollow victory if it happens because Microsoft stops selling 360s because they've moved on to the latest and greatest product while Sony keeps banging its head against its own edict of a ten-year cycle.
Personally, I hope Sony makes the smart move and has a competing product under development (because Microsoft almost certainly does). I don't like Sony as a company and have no personal desire to own a PS3 at the moment, but if nothing else the competition has led to fewer exclusives and required extra effort on both sides to get the attention of current and new customers. I think the PS3 and 360 competing so closely has been one of the best things about this current console generation and I hope it happens the next time around as well.
Just with less lolSony and RROD.
PlayStation 2 is a ten-year system
Still got the PS3 six years into its life span, though
If it's this graph you mean, it says nothing about primary and secondary consoles. It just tells about cross ownership.
The 42% of 360 owners who also owns a Wii are the same 26% of Wii owners who also own a 360.
The percentages would have been the same if the total sales for both consoles were the same.
While I'm clearing up statistics:
That graph shows the percentage of the time measured was taken up by 360, PS3, Wii, etc. However it does not even add up to more then 50%, and does not say what it measures. (The remaining time could be time played on PC, DS, PSP or time playing with themselves.)
It gives no info on the percentages of 360 owners who turned their consoles on.
Another point of interest is the selection of Y axis range. The graph goes from 5% to 12% which puts the Wii at the bottom, making it look much worse then it really is.
Final Fantasy XIII's coming out before God of War 3. :P
As for upcoming PS3 exclusives, Sony seems to be keeping their cards a little closer to their chest than usual. There are a few already announced games I'm interested in (Last Guardian, GT5, FF Versus XIII and maybe Rockstar's Agent), but I'm expecting them to announce quite a few games at their Gamers Day and E3.
And yeah, of course all three companies are working on their next systems. It's not like it takes 6 months to build them, they're working on them from the moment their previous system was released. The Cell, for instance, was being talked about way back in 2001.
This is the real usage chart. The Wii is the fugly yellow one. Huh, which one is ahead in the recent months...HMM...
Been away for a few days, but YAY!
Beat me on 360: Raybies666
I remember when I had time to be good at games.
PS2.
Of course, I could also say that this is a chart that tracks 'which console do gamers hate the most' what with it being poorly charted and just a picture on flickr...
I know. :P FFXIII is coming out next month, I'm well aware of that. I'm speaking in general that there aren't that many headliners for the PS3 period, and was addressing what should have been (but isn't) the biggest exclusive system seller.
Yeah, in that case, it becomes a rather Pyrrhic victory. "We've overcome the Xbox 360! *applause* Unfortunately, Microsoft's <successor console> has recently broken the ten million unit mark, and we still haven't announced ours...."
I really hadn't thought any of the companies had toyed around with a new console yet, but that could very well be naivety on my part, given the stakes involved. I'm just comparing it to the last cycle, when there was at least some discussion of the next consoles years earlier.
A sign of high quality or low quality?
The percentages on that graph make no sense to me.
For the sake of argument, let's say they polled 1000 Wii owners. Then there are 420 who own a Wii and Xbox 360, and 420 who own a Wii and PS3. So then they would have to have polled 1615 Xbox 360 owners (so that the 420 = 26% of that user base). That gives us 549 PS3/360 owners polled, with a total of about 3050 PS3 owners polled.
Where in the world, other than some sort of PS3 fan site, do you get a "random" sampling of console owners that is completely backwards compared to the actual rates of console ownership?
FOX.
You're forgetting that the Wii is the higher selling console so it would skew the actual numbers. This is just a percentage of ownership based on who owns what.
Also, you're reading it wrong. 42% of 360 and PS3 owners also own a Wii. 26% and 14% of Wii owners also own a 360 or PS3. Because the Wii has higher sales numbers, fewer Wii owners own the 'other' console. But the others have lower numbers, which means a higher chance of owning a Wii.
Without the base numbers of the survey, it makes it hard to read the graph. Which makes it generally useless except to prove a 'point'.