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Which Mousemat 2010: Razer Destructor vs. Steelseries SX
Oh, well, I haven't the desk space, so that's out of the question. I'm only really interested in arguments between these two, unless there's an outsider that I missed.
Thanks though should I count that as a vote for the razer pad?
the razer goliathus comes in regular size too. I can't speak for the other ones, but it really convinced me that soft mousepads with proper surfaces are awesome for optical mice
I'm using it with an MX518, and the movement feels perfectly smooth.
I already have a cloth mat, the SteelSeries QcK. Perhaps I should have explained.
I want to switch to hard mats because the detection on my new mouse is so fine that it's picking up the individual fibres and giving me jitters. I know it's this, because I'm currently using a glossy company booklet as a mousemat instead.
yeah, I gotta say they seem a bit overkill. I picked up a Thunder8 hard mat on clearance for $10 way back and it works great. I would say anything you could find for $10-15 should be fine. Why spend $40 on a mouse pad?
I really don't understand why you would get jitters from "super-fine detection". If it's picking out individual fibers that doesn't mean it should jump around. In fact that should mean it would be more stable because it can pick out solid reference points. Especially at the crazily low sensitivity you use.
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I really don't understand why you would get jitters from "super-fine detection". If it's picking out individual fibers that doesn't mean it should jump around. In fact that should mean it would be more stable because it can pick out solid reference points. Especially at the crazily low sensitivity you use.
Well, I'm assuming that the change in depths must be confusing it somehow, because it's smooth as silk on this glossy surface. I've tested it again a number of times and each time is the same: when using my mousemat, the cursor jitters.
I really don't understand why you would get jitters from "super-fine detection". If it's picking out individual fibers that doesn't mean it should jump around. In fact that should mean it would be more stable because it can pick out solid reference points. Especially at the crazily low sensitivity you use.
I don't think so.. if the mouse is ridiculously sensitive, having a spongy mouse pad and leaning the mouse a tiny bit would result in movement being registered. It's not a question of identifying features better or worse.. it's a question of those features moving when it's not intended.
I imagine this is what Flippy's problem is. I doubt he needs a super expensive mousepad as much as he needs a hard, smooth surface.
Save some cash. Hit up a floor stop nearby and pick out a marble or granite tile for a few bucks and glue some felt feet on the bottom so it doesn't ruin your desk. Polish as needed to sustain the slippery shine.
I really don't understand why you would get jitters from "super-fine detection". If it's picking out individual fibers that doesn't mean it should jump around. In fact that should mean it would be more stable because it can pick out solid reference points. Especially at the crazily low sensitivity you use.
I don't think so.. if the mouse is ridiculously sensitive, having a spongy mouse pad and leaning the mouse a tiny bit would result in movement being registered. It's not a question of identifying features better or worse.. it's a question of those features moving when it's not intended.
I imagine this is what Flippy's problem is. I doubt he needs a super expensive mousepad as much as he needs a hard, smooth surface.
This is roughly my thought process. And I'd be quite happy staying with this booklet if it weren't for the fact it's getting misshapen and ragged.
The reason I'm looking at these mousemats is because there don't seem to be many out there. If someone can find/recommend me one that's cheaper and that won't ruin the feet of my mouse, then please do say.
The reason I'm looking at these mousemats is because there don't seem to be many out there. If someone can find/recommend me one that's cheaper and that won't ruin the feet of my mouse, then please do say.
Doing a google for stuff like 'steel mouse pad' or 'metallic mouse pad' brought up stuff like this:
Before last night, when I pulled out my old aluminum plate, I never would have thought that metal would make for a good mouse surface. But I was actually pretty pleased with it.. am thinking about getting one of those slicksteel pads now.
edit - hah, I expanded the search to aluminium, and came across this. Seems targeted directly at sniping bastards like you:
I went for the steelseries, because I found it for a steal at £16, which is barely more than I paid for my current mat.
Downside is the retailer has got some pretty bad reviews spotted around, but they're also an eBay giant with a big enough turnover to make business magazines, so I just played it safe and used my credit card instead of debit. And took screenshots of everything.
So it arrived today which is good, as it means trusting this company paid off.
Daaaamn this thing is smooth. A bit of concern when I first opened it as it was loud and scratchy, but a quick wipe-down with the enclosed cloth and the back of a hand, and it's running exceptionally well. It's cool to the touch, but warms up quickly. The surface is incredibly smooth, it's hard to explain. It's almost like it's slightly oiled.
A nice size, no discomfort even with a bare wrist, despite being a hard mat. Rubber sheet keeps it rock steady.
I've been interested in picking one of these up lately, however the one advantage of my current cloth pad is a nice gel wristrest. I didn't see any of these that have one. Do any of these metal coated pads have any sort of wrist rest. I'd rather not have to deal with a separate piece to support my wrist.
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Does Valvestore ship to the UK? I've been using on of their Fragmat branded mousepads since I got it for Secret Santa a few years ago and they are stupendous. Smooth easy glide, precision perfect.
I've been interested in picking one of these up lately, however the one advantage of my current cloth pad is a nice gel wristrest. I didn't see any of these that have one. Do any of these metal coated pads have any sort of wrist rest. I'd rather not have to deal with a separate piece to support my wrist.
Not to turn this into a ergonomics thread, but a lot of safety people are warning that wrist wrests are just as likely to cause CTS as bad seating. Putting the weight of your arm on your wrist for long periods pinches the wrist, which is not a good thing. What the wrist rests do provide is less tension in the shoulders and neck.
The ideal setup is to have something that allows you to put the weight on your arm.
I bought a smooth mouse pad from Best Buy a couple years ago. It wasn't for performance, but because it wouldn't shift around like your average cloth mousepad and it was almost like putting my mouse on a non-stick pan. Very little friction, which is a feel I like.
It's been a couple years now so the pad is rather worn out but for like, 20 bucks, I think I got my money's worth.
I got a Rat Padz GS awhile ago, and while it was new it was one of the best surfaces I had ever used.
Unfortunately it wore out within 3 months of use and started making my mouse skip around. But outside of that it was bad ass.
The XT is recommend for heavy use. I actually picked one up, but while it's smooth it's not as frictionless as when I bought it a few months ago. When it was new there was so little friction that the weight of the cord was enough to almost pull the mouse off the pad. It doesn't do that anymore :P
I've been considering importing a glass mouse pad (Maxtill G-Pad) that's been reported to work well with my current mouse. It works significantly better than the IceMat/I-1/I-2 mats if you go by the benchmarks the crazy Japanese have done:
Some notes about that: the graph labeled for the Dharma covers mice that use the same sensor, that includes the Copperhead and the Logitech G5.
Laser mice and glass usually don't play well together, but my mouse's sensor performs better on glass than most of the others do on a hard/cloth surface.
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Also this thread inspired me to clean down my desk where I use my mouse (I don't use a pad right now) and the bottom of my mouse and holy shit does it work a lot better now.
I might pick up an XT soon here though, if it is as durable as they are saying. Plus it's ringing up $5 off right now for some reason with free shipping. So $20, not bad.
I have yet to find a fancy-ass mousepad surface that actually tracks better than a standard sheet of white printer paper.
I think the reason people buy nice mousepads is because they have lower friction than paper
That and better feedback when you move the mouse, based on the texture of the pad. For 95% of people, it'll never matter, but if you take FPS games semi-seriously you will notice the difference.
Some really crappy/old optical mice seem to only work consistently on paper. So I'd say it really is great as far as resulting in movement getting picked up by the sensor. But no kidding about the sliding around; it has to be taped down or something.
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Thanks though should I count that as a vote for the razer pad?
I'm using it with an MX518, and the movement feels perfectly smooth.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826999020
I want to switch to hard mats because the detection on my new mouse is so fine that it's picking up the individual fibres and giving me jitters. I know it's this, because I'm currently using a glossy company booklet as a mousemat instead.
So, hard mats.
This
I don't think so.. if the mouse is ridiculously sensitive, having a spongy mouse pad and leaning the mouse a tiny bit would result in movement being registered. It's not a question of identifying features better or worse.. it's a question of those features moving when it's not intended.
I imagine this is what Flippy's problem is. I doubt he needs a super expensive mousepad as much as he needs a hard, smooth surface.
This is roughly my thought process. And I'd be quite happy staying with this booklet if it weren't for the fact it's getting misshapen and ragged.
The reason I'm looking at these mousemats is because there don't seem to be many out there. If someone can find/recommend me one that's cheaper and that won't ruin the feet of my mouse, then please do say.
Doing a google for stuff like 'steel mouse pad' or 'metallic mouse pad' brought up stuff like this:
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/3076/pad-78/Ulti-Mat_Teflon_Coated_Steel_Mouse_Pad.html
http://www.zazzle.com/stainless+steel+mousepads (I can't tell from the website if these are actually metal or just printed designs)
http://www.slicksteel.co.uk/mousemats.html
Before last night, when I pulled out my old aluminum plate, I never would have thought that metal would make for a good mouse surface. But I was actually pretty pleased with it.. am thinking about getting one of those slicksteel pads now.
edit - hah, I expanded the search to aluminium, and came across this. Seems targeted directly at sniping bastards like you:
http://www.cybersnipa.com/us/gaming-surfaces/aluminium-mousepad.php
Downside is the retailer has got some pretty bad reviews spotted around, but they're also an eBay giant with a big enough turnover to make business magazines, so I just played it safe and used my credit card instead of debit. And took screenshots of everything.
Anyway, I'll let you know how the mousemat is.
Daaaamn this thing is smooth. A bit of concern when I first opened it as it was loud and scratchy, but a quick wipe-down with the enclosed cloth and the back of a hand, and it's running exceptionally well. It's cool to the touch, but warms up quickly. The surface is incredibly smooth, it's hard to explain. It's almost like it's slightly oiled.
A nice size, no discomfort even with a bare wrist, despite being a hard mat. Rubber sheet keeps it rock steady.
I am pretty pleased with this.
Not if I'm busy launching flares in his general direction.
Break.
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Honestly I can't stand wrist rests though.
Not to turn this into a ergonomics thread, but a lot of safety people are warning that wrist wrests are just as likely to cause CTS as bad seating. Putting the weight of your arm on your wrist for long periods pinches the wrist, which is not a good thing. What the wrist rests do provide is less tension in the shoulders and neck.
The ideal setup is to have something that allows you to put the weight on your arm.
It's been a couple years now so the pad is rather worn out but for like, 20 bucks, I think I got my money's worth.
I wonder if they still carry those...
Unfortunately it wore out within 3 months of use and started making my mouse skip around. But outside of that it was bad ass.
The XT is recommend for heavy use. I actually picked one up, but while it's smooth it's not as frictionless as when I bought it a few months ago. When it was new there was so little friction that the weight of the cord was enough to almost pull the mouse off the pad. It doesn't do that anymore :P
I've been considering importing a glass mouse pad (Maxtill G-Pad) that's been reported to work well with my current mouse. It works significantly better than the IceMat/I-1/I-2 mats if you go by the benchmarks the crazy Japanese have done:
Some notes about that: the graph labeled for the Dharma covers mice that use the same sensor, that includes the Copperhead and the Logitech G5.
Laser mice and glass usually don't play well together, but my mouse's sensor performs better on glass than most of the others do on a hard/cloth surface.
I might pick up an XT soon here though, if it is as durable as they are saying. Plus it's ringing up $5 off right now for some reason with free shipping. So $20, not bad.
I just use the desk surface...
Really cheap right now.
I recommended it to Flippy, but he's just a butthead and doesn't take anything I say seriously.