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Mass Effect 1&2 - KILL ONE AND ONE HUNDRED WILL REPLACE IT

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  • Fatty McBeardoFatty McBeardo Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Comments like this make me want to drink bleach
    The insanely high praise was indeed pretty silly for this game considering its problems. I think part of it has to do with the "system exclusive omg" thing that convinces people a game's really that much better because you can only find it on their system of choice (31% of Jak II reviews scored over 95% for instance).

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  • Captain FordoCaptain Fordo Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Comments like this make me want to drink bleach
    The insanely high praise was indeed pretty silly for this game considering its problems. I think part of it has to do with the "system exclusive omg" thing that convinces people a game's really that much better because you can only find it on their system of choice (31% of Jak II reviews scored over 95% for instance).

    from the bioware forums i take it?

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  • PancakePancake Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Comments like this make me want to drink bleach
    The insanely high praise was indeed pretty silly for this game considering its problems. I think part of it has to do with the "system exclusive omg" thing that convinces people a game's really that much better because you can only find it on their system of choice (31% of Jak II reviews scored over 95% for instance).

    It's true, though. If the game had come out on the PS3, I would have hated it.

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  • Delta AssaultDelta Assault Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Comments like this make me want to drink bleach
    The insanely high praise was indeed pretty silly for this game considering its problems. I think part of it has to do with the "system exclusive omg" thing that convinces people a game's really that much better because you can only find it on their system of choice (31% of Jak II reviews scored over 95% for instance).

    No no no... you gotta go back and demand that they drink the bleach. Tell them to pour the bleach for you and then threaten them into downing it.

    It's quite funny.

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  • DHSDHS Chase lizards.. ...bark at donkeys..Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Comments like this make me want to drink bleach
    The insanely high praise was indeed pretty silly for this game considering its problems. I think part of it has to do with the "system exclusive omg" thing that convinces people a game's really that much better because you can only find it on their system of choice (31% of Jak II reviews scored over 95% for instance).

    Hey Person in the quote.

    NO ONE FUCKING ACTUALLY THINKS LIKE THAT. DO YOU THINK LIKE THAT? NO. WHY THE FUCK DO YOU THINK OTHER PEOPLE DO?

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  • Fatty McBeardoFatty McBeardo Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    "system of choice" makes my fucking eyes bleed

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  • manwiththemachinegunmanwiththemachinegun METAL GEAR?! Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Dyscord wrote: »
    how often does batman just kill a dude before asking him any questions?

    oh, right

    I speak of course of ballsy awesome Batman back in the 30s who dropped people out of planes and shit. :whistle:

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  • l337CrappyJackl337CrappyJack Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Dyscord wrote: »
    how often does batman just kill a dude before asking him any questions?

    oh, right

    I speak of course of ballsy awesome Batman back in the 30s who dropped people out of planes and shit. :whistle:

    Of course! We just need to develop some Reaper Repellant!

    Also, punching reporters in the face will be accompanied by horn blows and "BAM" appearing on the screen.

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  • LookFreeGrenadeLookFreeGrenade Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Okay so for somehow I'm a terrible renegade and ended up 60/60 paragon/renegade. If I only have 1 loyalty quest left do you guys think I could resolve the
    Tali vs Legion
    conflict? I mean I stopped Miranda and Jack

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  • Fondor_YardsFondor_Yards Elite Four Member: Hydra Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Okay so for somehow I'm a terrible renegade and ended up 60/60 paragon/renegade. If I only have 1 loyalty quest left do you guys think I could resolve the
    Tali vs Legion
    conflict? I mean I stopped Miranda and Jack

    Since that means you're probably high(er) level then, then probably not, since the amounted needed scales with you and makes it harder to reach at high levels.

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  • Delicious SteveDelicious Steve Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    So i'm planning to make a Failure Shepard, where he screws up everyone's loyalty quests, and will pick the dumbest decisions possible. Spoilers for my questions, they might be about the end of the game.
    I know you can screw up Samara and Tali's Loyalty quests, any others?

    If I side with someone, such as Tali, in an argument, and she wasn't loyal before, will siding with her make her loyal to me?

    If I choose the correct people for the right jobs on the suicide mission, but they aren't loyal, is that any different from picking people poorly?

    If Miranda isn't loyal at the end of the game and you pick the Paragon decision, does she backstab you?

    And, is it possible by not doing certain loyalty quests that i'll just fail the last mission and get the reload screen? I'd like to get the worst possible ending without screwing myself over, if you catch my drift.

    I don't really expect answers (although i'd appreciate them), just pondering aloud.

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  • Fondor_YardsFondor_Yards Elite Four Member: Hydra Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    So i'm planning to make a Failure Shepard, where he screws up everyone's loyalty quests, and will pick the dumbest decisions possible. Spoilers for my questions, they might be about the end of the game.
    I know you can screw up Samara and Tali's Loyalty quests, any others?

    If I side with someone, such as Tali, in an argument, and she wasn't loyal before, will siding with her make her loyal to me?

    If I choose the correct people for the right jobs on the suicide mission, but they aren't loyal, is that any different from picking people poorly?

    If Miranda isn't loyal at the end of the game and you pick the Paragon decision, does she backstab you?

    And, is it possible by not doing certain loyalty quests that i'll just fail the last mission and get the reload screen? I'd like to get the worst possible ending without screwing myself over, if you catch my drift.

    I don't really expect answers (although i'd appreciate them), just pondering aloud.
    A. Well you could simply not do their loyalty missions. The only other one I know you can screw up on in the mission is Thane's.

    B. No idea.

    C. Depends on who and what, but not being loyal decreases their chances at life.

    D. I don't think so.

    E. No, but you can get a total party wipe *yourself included.*

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  • SteleStele Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    So i'm planning to make a Failure Shepard, where he screws up everyone's loyalty quests, and will pick the dumbest decisions possible. Spoilers for my questions, they might be about the end of the game.
    I know you can screw up Samara and Tali's Loyalty quests, any others?

    If I side with someone, such as Tali, in an argument, and she wasn't loyal before, will siding with her make her loyal to me?

    If I choose the correct people for the right jobs on the suicide mission, but they aren't loyal, is that any different from picking people poorly?

    If Miranda isn't loyal at the end of the game and you pick the Paragon decision, does she backstab you?

    And, is it possible by not doing certain loyalty quests that i'll just fail the last mission and get the reload screen? I'd like to get the worst possible ending without screwing myself over, if you catch my drift.

    I don't really expect answers (although i'd appreciate them), just pondering aloud.

    You can fail
    Zaeed's loyalty quest. I think you choose to go after Vido at the start, but then when you see the workers asking for help, you choose to help them?

    Or maybe it's one of the dialog choices at the end. But I managed to finish the mission and not get loyalty.

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  • PeffPeff Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Man, screw Horizon on insanity. Screw it right in it's silly goose hole.

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  • Yellow RangerYellow Ranger Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Peff wrote: »
    Man, screw Horizon on insanity. Screw it right in it's silly goose hole.

    I'm about 80% done with the game on insanity, and if it makes you feel any better, it really does get easier after a while. I'm to the point where I now have the upper hand in fire fights and can roll through most missions without a hitch. Make sure you get every health and damage upgrade you possibly can, as soon as you can. It makes a world of difference.

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  • PeffPeff Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Peff wrote: »
    Man, screw Horizon on insanity. Screw it right in it's silly goose hole.

    I'm about 80% done with the game on insanity, and if it makes you feel any better, it really does get easier after a while. I'm to the point where I now have the upper hand in fire fights and can roll through most missions without a hitch. Make sure you get every health and damage upgrade you possibly can, as soon as you can. It makes a world of difference.

    The funny thing is I just had that thought before Horizon. I just had a REALLY hard time dealing with the Husks being in my face. I'm still enjoying the challenge though, a nice step up from Veteran.

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  • HounHoun Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    ME1. Adept. Ship full of Biotics. Destroyed me. Several times. Even when I set it down to Casual. :P

    Fuck this class, it's worthless. Glad I never bothered with it before.

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  • NerdgasmicNerdgasmic __BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2010
    What? Adept is very powerful, especially in ME1.

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  • StrikorStrikor Calibrations? Calibrations! Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Send your squad out to soak up their attacks, then throw some lifts and singularities and shoot those silly geese.

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  • HounHoun Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Can't use biotics or order your squad while floating. They die off in a few seconds, then I die.

    Going back to ME1 after ME2, the combat is SO BAD. The shooting so inaccurate, the enemy AI so bad (Really? Every enemy just rushes you?) I don't know if I even care to play through again. ME2 ruined it.

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  • PancakePancake Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Houn wrote: »
    ME1. Adept. Ship full of Biotics. Destroyed me. Several times. Even when I set it down to Casual. :P

    Fuck this class, it's worthless. Glad I never bothered with it before.

    You're right. The most overpowered class in the game is worthless.

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  • HounHoun Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Worthless are level 14 or whatever, at least.

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  • EgosEgos Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Houn wrote: »
    Can't use biotics or order your squad while floating. They die off in a few seconds, then I die.

    Going back to ME1 after ME2, the combat is SO BAD. The shooting so inaccurate, the enemy AI so bad (Really? Every enemy just rushes you?) I don't know if I even care to play through again. ME2 ruined it.

    The combat in ME2 truly surprised me...in a good way. I really didn't think Bioware had it in them.

    Egos on
  • Eat it You Nasty Pig.Eat it You Nasty Pig. tell homeland security 'we are the bomb'Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    it's not as though any other class would handle being shot while "floating" any better than adept does

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  • EgosEgos Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    So i'm planning to make a Failure Shepard, where he screws up everyone's loyalty quests, and will pick the dumbest decisions possible. Spoilers for my questions, they might be about the end of the game.
    I know you can screw up Samara and Tali's Loyalty quests, any others?

    If I side with someone, such as Tali, in an argument, and she wasn't loyal before, will siding with her make her loyal to me?

    If I choose the correct people for the right jobs on the suicide mission, but they aren't loyal, is that any different from picking people poorly?

    If Miranda isn't loyal at the end of the game and you pick the Paragon decision, does she backstab you?

    And, is it possible by not doing certain loyalty quests that i'll just fail the last mission and get the reload screen? I'd like to get the worst possible ending without screwing myself over, if you catch my drift.

    I don't really expect answers (although i'd appreciate them), just pondering aloud.

    There is an ending where
    Shepard can die if you make all the wrong choices.
    Don't upgrade the ship. i believe tali, thane and Jack will die.
    Don't choose Jacob, Miranda, or Garrus as fire team leaders.
    Don't have Tali or Legion go through the ducts.
    Don't have Samara or Jack do the Bio shield.
    If everyone is unloyal.
    You should get everyone killed, with you running back alone

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  • SkutSkutSkutSkut Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    My doomed run is (end gameish spoilers)
    No loyalty missions
    don't awaken Grunt
    send Legion to Cerberus
    No ship upgrades

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  • Clint EastwoodClint Eastwood My baby's in there someplace She crawled right inRegistered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Comments like this make me want to drink bleach
    The insanely high praise was indeed pretty silly for this game considering its problems. I think part of it has to do with the "system exclusive omg" thing that convinces people a game's really that much better because you can only find it on their system of choice (31% of Jak II reviews scored over 95% for instance).

    1) that's incredibly idiotic as has been pointed out
    2) fuck them, Jak II was great

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  • Eat it You Nasty Pig.Eat it You Nasty Pig. tell homeland security 'we are the bomb'Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    SkutSkut wrote: »
    My doomed run is (end gameish spoilers)
    No loyalty missions
    don't awaken Grunt
    send Legion to Cerberus
    No ship upgrades

    why would you not
    get grunt or legion? that's just more people to die in humorous ways

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  • SkutSkutSkutSkut Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Dyscord wrote: »
    SkutSkut wrote: »
    My doomed run is (end gameish spoilers)
    No loyalty missions
    don't awaken Grunt
    send Legion to Cerberus
    No ship upgrades

    why would you not
    get grunt or legion? that's just more people to die in humorous ways
    yeah but that's less people to go in in the first place, if I lose 5 at the start I'll only have to worry about killing off what, 4 more?

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  • Eat it You Nasty Pig.Eat it You Nasty Pig. tell homeland security 'we are the bomb'Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    SkutSkut wrote: »
    Dyscord wrote: »
    SkutSkut wrote: »
    My doomed run is (end gameish spoilers)
    No loyalty missions
    don't awaken Grunt
    send Legion to Cerberus
    No ship upgrades

    why would you not
    get grunt or legion? that's just more people to die in humorous ways
    yeah but that's less people to go in in the first place, if I lose 5 at the start I'll only have to worry about killing off what, 4 more?

    can you actually get to the final boss
    without anyone left to guard the door? Or, with less than two remaining squad members? I'm trying to do the math in my head here.

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  • SkutSkutSkutSkut Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    I'll find out.

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  • SteleStele Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Dyscord wrote: »
    SkutSkut wrote: »
    My doomed run is (end gameish spoilers)
    No loyalty missions
    don't awaken Grunt
    send Legion to Cerberus
    No ship upgrades

    why would you not
    get grunt or legion? that's just more people to die in humorous ways

    Also can leave off Zaeed.
    And Grunt and Zaeed are good at "holding the line" so they might survive even if not loyal if you don't specifically take them in your party to get killed. Think he's right, the less you have the easier it is to fail spectacularly.

    Stele on
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  • XyyzXyyz Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Houn wrote: »
    ME1. Adept. Ship full of Biotics. Destroyed me. Several times. Even when I set it down to Casual. :P

    Fuck this class, it's worthless. Glad I never bothered with it before.

    Mmm, the one with the time limit before the hostage is executed? I think I know the mission you mean.

    Don't bother fighting anyone, just run right through the room to the door at the side, and then into one of the smaller rooms just behind the cockpit (I think it's the one on the right as you go through the door) It'll start a conversation where you can talk down the hijackers, and if you succeed, all the biotics will turn friendly and you can just walk out.

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  • kedinikkedinik Captain of Industry Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Just finished.
    Zaeed died leading the 2nd fire team; you'd think the founder of the Blue Suns would be tougher than that.

    Tali also died from falling debris, I guess on account of losing loyalty after the argument with Legion.

    Should Garrus leading the second fireteam and leaving Tali out of my end-boss squad keep everyone alive?

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  • Eat it You Nasty Pig.Eat it You Nasty Pig. tell homeland security 'we are the bomb'Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    kedinik wrote: »
    Just finished.
    Zaeed died leading the 2nd fire team; you'd think the founder of the Blue Suns would be tougher than that.

    Tali also died from falling debris, I guess on account of losing loyalty after the argument with Legion.

    Should Garrus leading the second fireteam and leaving Tali out of my end-boss squad keep everyone alive?

    endgame mechanics
    it sounds like the best way to keep the "squishier" nonloyal squadmembers alive is to stick them guarding the door with more loyal, "harder" characters. There was a post from a dev quoted earlier about how the final door defense generates a "hold the line score," and if you don't get it high enough people start dying off.

    So the best bet is to take two (loyal) tech or biotic specialists to the final fight, max out the "toughness" of the door group, and hope that the tough guys can compensate for your nonloyal members.

    Apparently mordin is the first on the chopping block, which would explain his "random" dying in so many people's games.

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  • SyrionusSyrionus Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Syrionus wrote: »
    Pancake wrote: »
    Syrionus wrote: »
    Elendil wrote: »
    Syrionus wrote: »
    Elendil wrote: »
    oh and by the way
    you can do N7 missions to bump up the mission count to reach the collector ship

    that way you can avoid getting any loyalty

    Wait, what?
    How do you get N7 missions?
    just check visit a planet

    if EDI mentions an anomaly scan the planet for a drop point to open up a mission

    That's not N7 missions. That's anomaly missions. I thought maybe there was something I was missing.

    Uh, those are N7 missions. Sorry.

    N7 stands for Spectres. They are more Cerberus missions if anything. I remember a few of them being Cerberus related anyway.

    N7 does not stand for Spectres, N7 is the highest classification an Alliance Marine can obtain based on extremely difficult training regimens and basically means "certified badass"

    Um, then why are you still wearing the N7 armor? You work for freakin Cerberus. You know the Alliances nemesis. Well, at least they don't speak kindly of each other. I do remember wearing it at the beggining of ME1 but I don't remember seeing any other Alliance wearing the armor. So I assumed it was for Spectres and that Bioware got lazy and didn't want to change the outfit. If only top Alliance Marines can wear it then why wasn't anyone else? Am I the only "certified badass" in the universe? I highly doubt it.

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  • SyrionusSyrionus Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Khavall wrote: »
    Syrionus wrote: »
    N7 stands for Spectres. They are more Cerberus missions if anything. I remember a few of them being Cerberus related anyway.

    Did you even read the codex?

    Um, no. Why would I waste my time reading if I can go blow something up or tell someone to piss off. If I wanted to read I grab a book. Phhh, read...

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  • Eat it You Nasty Pig.Eat it You Nasty Pig. tell homeland security 'we are the bomb'Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    cerberus has a bunch of connections with the alliance military industrial establishment, so they might either get their gear skimmed off under the table, or just buy part of a larger lot. Cerberus maintains a lot of alliance rank structure, too.

    Presumably N7 is the functional special forces designation, and since you don't interact with that many alliance soldiers period, you probably just never see another person wearing it.

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  • NerdgasmicNerdgasmic __BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2010
    They are called N7 missions because that is the designation the game uses for them.


    Presumably you do not meet many other N7 soldiers for the same reason you only ever meet two other Spectres.

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  • ArkadyArkady Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Khavall wrote: »
    So with the DLC shotgun, should I still as a vanguard
    grab the krogan shotty in the collector ship? Or get the Assault rifle so during the times where I'm not shotgunning things in the face?

    I would say it comes down to a style choice. The DLC shotgun is pretty great on my soldier, but it's fire rate is ass while slow-mo'd. Now, maybe you play differently than i do, but my strategy was pick a guy at the edge of cover I can quickly get behind to dodge fire while charge recharges, charge him, shoot them in the face with the krogun and kill him, get behind cover to reload (or punch to death on the rare occasion the krogun didn't 1 shot), repeat. The DLC gun won't 1 shot anybody, so you'll need to make 2 shots straight to some mook's head, if not more, to finish them off, all while getting back behind cover.

    On the other hand, as a vanguard your only real range optiona are the low ammo carnifex and burst fire with the lmg. There were a couple situations where I was really missing any sort of acceptable long range option, and AR training gives you that.

    I personally, prefer the krogun, but I see the AR as a valid choice now with the DLC gun for vanguards.

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