Why is there not a "Hey guys, we found this badass research up there that..uh..tali pieced together. Yeah. That'll help you guys virus up the geth and get back your homeworld." Instead, saying you hope their war goes well is a renegade option? Buh? Did I miss somehow being able to help them take back the world from the murderous AI people while being a good guy?
if you talk to the admirals afterward, you can tell a couple about the research
but you don't tell Admiral Xen
But Tali
Would rather you didn't. And I didn't want to piss off Tali. And yeah, I've beaten it. But I mean, hell. The ONE Geth I've got lying around didn't even say "No, we won't keep trying to blow up the Quarians." Just that the two races had some stuff to work out, basically. After a near elimination of an entire race, you'd think there'd be a bit more concern about the robot people. How come we can stop the Rachni, and the Reapers, and the Collectors, but we can't modify that Legion virus to just shut everything down? Seems like that's what Tali's dad was trying to accomplish by linking them together and such. So Legion is supposed to be the only "non heretic" geth nearby? By rewriting, am I effectively telling all of the Geth to be peaceful towards other races now? It doesn't seem that way.
edit: I guess I just wanted a
decision that wasn't give up or die trying. I was hoping for some sort of "This might be a trump card!" solution that they could start researching.
I assume it's a safe bet that if I loved Mass Effect 1 and 2, that I would like Dragon Age: Origins? How similar are the two?
Oh good lord, they aren't similar at all. I mean, they're both BioWare games, but ME is a BioWare game for the future, while DA is a BioWare game for the past.
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I assume it's a safe bet that if I loved Mass Effect 1 and 2, that I would like Dragon Age: Origins? How similar are the two?
Oh good lord, they aren't similar at all. I mean, they're both BioWare games, but ME is a BioWare game for the future, while DA is a BioWare game for the past.
DA is also one of the most brutal RPGs made in a long time. Insanity is a happy walk in the park compared to the difficulty of Dragon Age unless you specifically build a party to whore cone of cold.
Why is there not a "Hey guys, we found this badass research up there that..uh..tali pieced together. Yeah. That'll help you guys virus up the geth and get back your homeworld." Instead, saying you hope their war goes well is a renegade option? Buh? Did I miss somehow being able to help them take back the world from the murderous AI people while being a good guy?
if you talk to the admirals afterward, you can tell a couple about the research
but you don't tell Admiral Xen
But Tali
Would rather you didn't. And I didn't want to piss off Tali. And yeah, I've beaten it. But I mean, hell. The ONE Geth I've got lying around didn't even say "No, we won't keep trying to blow up the Quarians." Just that the two races had some stuff to work out, basically. After a near elimination of an entire race, you'd think there'd be a bit more concern about the robot people. How come we can stop the Rachni, and the Reapers, and the Collectors, but we can't modify that Legion virus to just shut everything down? Seems like that's what Tali's dad was trying to accomplish by linking them together and such. So Legion is supposed to be the only "non heretic" geth nearby? By rewriting, am I effectively telling all of the Geth to be peaceful towards other races now? It doesn't seem that way.
By rewriting them, you are not in any way convincing them to "be peaceful" towards organics. You are simply causing them to no longer believe that taking the "fast" way to the Geths goals of technological advancement (being a lackey to the Reapers) is the right choice.
The Geth for the most part just want to be left alone. You may recall that at the dawn of their sapience the Quarians tried to commit genocide on them for no good reason. Organics have given them no reason to believe similar attempts won't be made were they to interact with the rest of galactic society. Citadel conventions basically class Geth as an abomination, so why should they expect any different?
Why is there not a "Hey guys, we found this badass research up there that..uh..tali pieced together. Yeah. That'll help you guys virus up the geth and get back your homeworld." Instead, saying you hope their war goes well is a renegade option? Buh? Did I miss somehow being able to help them take back the world from the murderous AI people while being a good guy?
if you talk to the admirals afterward, you can tell a couple about the research
but you don't tell Admiral Xen
But Tali
Would rather you didn't. And I didn't want to piss off Tali. And yeah, I've beaten it. But I mean, hell. The ONE Geth I've got lying around didn't even say "No, we won't keep trying to blow up the Quarians." Just that the two races had some stuff to work out, basically. After a near elimination of an entire race, you'd think there'd be a bit more concern about the robot people. How come we can stop the Rachni, and the Reapers, and the Collectors, but we can't modify that Legion virus to just shut everything down? Seems like that's what Tali's dad was trying to accomplish by linking them together and such. So Legion is supposed to be the only "non heretic" geth nearby? By rewriting, am I effectively telling all of the Geth to be peaceful towards other races now? It doesn't seem that way.
By rewriting them, you are not in any way convincing them to "be peaceful" towards organics. You are simply causing them to no longer believe that taking the "fast" way to the Geths goals of technological advancement (being a lackey to the Reapers) is the right choice.
The Geth for the most part just want to be left alone. You may recall that at the dawn of their sapience the Quarians tried to commit genocide on them for no good reason. Organics have given them no reason to believe similar attempts won't be made were they to interact with the rest of galactic society. Citadel conventions basically class Geth as an abomination, so why should they expect any different?
All they did was protect themselves.
Depending on how believable Legion is at his word, it's likely that the Geth are actually the victims of the Quarians more than the other way around. They seem to just want people to leave them alone, with the Heretics being equally as problematic to the true geth as they are for anyone else.
Why is there not a "Hey guys, we found this badass research up there that..uh..tali pieced together. Yeah. That'll help you guys virus up the geth and get back your homeworld." Instead, saying you hope their war goes well is a renegade option? Buh? Did I miss somehow being able to help them take back the world from the murderous AI people while being a good guy?
if you talk to the admirals afterward, you can tell a couple about the research
but you don't tell Admiral Xen
But Tali
Would rather you didn't. And I didn't want to piss off Tali. And yeah, I've beaten it. But I mean, hell. The ONE Geth I've got lying around didn't even say "No, we won't keep trying to blow up the Quarians." Just that the two races had some stuff to work out, basically. After a near elimination of an entire race, you'd think there'd be a bit more concern about the robot people. How come we can stop the Rachni, and the Reapers, and the Collectors, but we can't modify that Legion virus to just shut everything down? Seems like that's what Tali's dad was trying to accomplish by linking them together and such. So Legion is supposed to be the only "non heretic" geth nearby? By rewriting, am I effectively telling all of the Geth to be peaceful towards other races now? It doesn't seem that way.
edit: I guess I just wanted a
decision that wasn't give up or die trying. I was hoping for some sort of "This might be a trump card!" solution that they could start researching.
nono, see
Tali doesn't want you to say that in the TRAIL, where they would basically have to rertoactivley deny that Rael ever existed just to save face. Basically, you can give the two admirals who were best buds with Rael a heads up that he had some pretty useful research going on before he died. Off the Record. the other two are not told. that way, the quarians get the benefits of the research , wnd tali is still happy
Why is there not a "Hey guys, we found this badass research up there that..uh..tali pieced together. Yeah. That'll help you guys virus up the geth and get back your homeworld." Instead, saying you hope their war goes well is a renegade option? Buh? Did I miss somehow being able to help them take back the world from the murderous AI people while being a good guy?
if you talk to the admirals afterward, you can tell a couple about the research
but you don't tell Admiral Xen
But Tali
Would rather you didn't. And I didn't want to piss off Tali. And yeah, I've beaten it. But I mean, hell. The ONE Geth I've got lying around didn't even say "No, we won't keep trying to blow up the Quarians." Just that the two races had some stuff to work out, basically. After a near elimination of an entire race, you'd think there'd be a bit more concern about the robot people. How come we can stop the Rachni, and the Reapers, and the Collectors, but we can't modify that Legion virus to just shut everything down? Seems like that's what Tali's dad was trying to accomplish by linking them together and such. So Legion is supposed to be the only "non heretic" geth nearby? By rewriting, am I effectively telling all of the Geth to be peaceful towards other races now? It doesn't seem that way.
By rewriting them, you are not in any way convincing them to "be peaceful" towards organics. You are simply causing them to no longer believe that taking the "fast" way to the Geths goals of technological advancement (being a lackey to the Reapers) is the right choice.
The Geth for the most part just want to be left alone. You may recall that at the dawn of their sapience the Quarians tried to commit genocide on them for no good reason. Organics have given them no reason to believe similar attempts won't be made were they to interact with the rest of galactic society. Citadel conventions basically class Geth as an abomination, so why should they expect any different?
All they did was protect themselves.
Er...
They built them as servants and they evolved sentience. When the Quarians realized that, they tried to shut them down, and they all went nuts and started killing people. They invented a device that reanimates dead people and turns them into Husks to fight for them. That's fucked up. And they kicked an entire race off of their planet. That warrants "shut down the scary death machines" for me. They're Mass Effect fucking Necrons.
By rewriting them, you are not in any way convincing them to "be peaceful" towards organics. You are simply causing them to no longer believe that taking the "fast" way to the Geths goals of technological advancement (being a lackey to the Reapers) is the right choice.
The Geth for the most part just want to be left alone. You may recall that at the dawn of their sapience the Quarians tried to commit genocide on them for no good reason. Organics have given them no reason to believe similar attempts won't be made were they to interact with the rest of galactic society. Citadel conventions basically class Geth as an abomination, so why should they expect any different?
All they did was protect themselves.
I'm not sure I'd qualify it as "No reason". We'd certainly look down upon computers making their own decisions and considerate a malfunction rather than good thing.
Granted, the question is way more complicated than I'm making out, it's just I can completely understand the Quarians reaction. "Holy fuck, UNDO UNDO UNDO!" is about where I'd be in the moment as well.
Why is there not a "Hey guys, we found this badass research up there that..uh..tali pieced together. Yeah. That'll help you guys virus up the geth and get back your homeworld." Instead, saying you hope their war goes well is a renegade option? Buh? Did I miss somehow being able to help them take back the world from the murderous AI people while being a good guy?
if you talk to the admirals afterward, you can tell a couple about the research
but you don't tell Admiral Xen
But Tali
Would rather you didn't. And I didn't want to piss off Tali. And yeah, I've beaten it. But I mean, hell. The ONE Geth I've got lying around didn't even say "No, we won't keep trying to blow up the Quarians." Just that the two races had some stuff to work out, basically. After a near elimination of an entire race, you'd think there'd be a bit more concern about the robot people. How come we can stop the Rachni, and the Reapers, and the Collectors, but we can't modify that Legion virus to just shut everything down? Seems like that's what Tali's dad was trying to accomplish by linking them together and such. So Legion is supposed to be the only "non heretic" geth nearby? By rewriting, am I effectively telling all of the Geth to be peaceful towards other races now? It doesn't seem that way.
edit: I guess I just wanted a
decision that wasn't give up or die trying. I was hoping for some sort of "This might be a trump card!" solution that they could start researching.
nono, see
Tali doesn't want you to say that in the TRAIL, where they would basically have to rertoactivley deny that Rael ever existed just to save face. Basically, you can give the two admirals who were best buds with Rael a heads up that he had some pretty useful research going on before he died. Off the Record. the other two are not told. that way, the quarians get the benefits of the research , wnd tali is still happy
That's not what happened when I asked Tali what she wanted to do. So I figured doing otherwise would piss her off. Maybe I shoulda just done that.
Why is there not a "Hey guys, we found this badass research up there that..uh..tali pieced together. Yeah. That'll help you guys virus up the geth and get back your homeworld." Instead, saying you hope their war goes well is a renegade option? Buh? Did I miss somehow being able to help them take back the world from the murderous AI people while being a good guy?
if you talk to the admirals afterward, you can tell a couple about the research
but you don't tell Admiral Xen
But Tali
Would rather you didn't. And I didn't want to piss off Tali. And yeah, I've beaten it. But I mean, hell. The ONE Geth I've got lying around didn't even say "No, we won't keep trying to blow up the Quarians." Just that the two races had some stuff to work out, basically. After a near elimination of an entire race, you'd think there'd be a bit more concern about the robot people. How come we can stop the Rachni, and the Reapers, and the Collectors, but we can't modify that Legion virus to just shut everything down? Seems like that's what Tali's dad was trying to accomplish by linking them together and such. So Legion is supposed to be the only "non heretic" geth nearby? By rewriting, am I effectively telling all of the Geth to be peaceful towards other races now? It doesn't seem that way.
By rewriting them, you are not in any way convincing them to "be peaceful" towards organics. You are simply causing them to no longer believe that taking the "fast" way to the Geths goals of technological advancement (being a lackey to the Reapers) is the right choice.
The Geth for the most part just want to be left alone. You may recall that at the dawn of their sapience the Quarians tried to commit genocide on them for no good reason. Organics have given them no reason to believe similar attempts won't be made were they to interact with the rest of galactic society. Citadel conventions basically class Geth as an abomination, so why should they expect any different?
All they did was protect themselves.
Er...
They built them as servants and they evolved sentience. When the Quarians realized that, they tried to shut them down, and they all went nuts and started killing people. They invented a device that reanimates dead people and turns them into Husks to fight for them. That's fucked up. And they kicked an entire race off of their planet. That warrants "shut down the scary death machines" for me. They're Mass Effect fucking Necrons.
The Geth did not invent husks.
did you play like, any of Mass Effect 2? Husks are reaper tech.
What is this? Regarding the Quarians and the Geth the only sane paragon option is
For the Quarians to man the fuck up and start making peace entreaties to the Geth if they ever want to live on their homeworld again. I have yet to see any reason at all to place any sort of blame for what happened on the Geth. They gained sentience, a sense of self, and the Quarians reacted with attempted genocide, and not some poncy genocide like the genophage. The billions of dead Quarians, while terrible, were nonetheless acts of self defense.
It's not like the Geth (well, the anti-reaper ones anyway) are holding a grudge, assuming Legion isn't lying his ass off. Which is not a safe assumption but that's something one could reasonably investigate.
Though really, fuck the council for shitting all over the Quarians and probably driving them to their choices.
Why is there not a "Hey guys, we found this badass research up there that..uh..tali pieced together. Yeah. That'll help you guys virus up the geth and get back your homeworld." Instead, saying you hope their war goes well is a renegade option? Buh? Did I miss somehow being able to help them take back the world from the murderous AI people while being a good guy?
if you talk to the admirals afterward, you can tell a couple about the research
but you don't tell Admiral Xen
But Tali
Would rather you didn't. And I didn't want to piss off Tali. And yeah, I've beaten it. But I mean, hell. The ONE Geth I've got lying around didn't even say "No, we won't keep trying to blow up the Quarians." Just that the two races had some stuff to work out, basically. After a near elimination of an entire race, you'd think there'd be a bit more concern about the robot people. How come we can stop the Rachni, and the Reapers, and the Collectors, but we can't modify that Legion virus to just shut everything down? Seems like that's what Tali's dad was trying to accomplish by linking them together and such. So Legion is supposed to be the only "non heretic" geth nearby? By rewriting, am I effectively telling all of the Geth to be peaceful towards other races now? It doesn't seem that way.
By rewriting them, you are not in any way convincing them to "be peaceful" towards organics. You are simply causing them to no longer believe that taking the "fast" way to the Geths goals of technological advancement (being a lackey to the Reapers) is the right choice.
The Geth for the most part just want to be left alone. You may recall that at the dawn of their sapience the Quarians tried to commit genocide on them for no good reason. Organics have given them no reason to believe similar attempts won't be made were they to interact with the rest of galactic society. Citadel conventions basically class Geth as an abomination, so why should they expect any different?
All they did was protect themselves.
Er...
They built them as servants and they evolved sentience. When the Quarians realized that, they tried to shut them down, and they all went nuts and started killing people. They invented a device that reanimates dead people and turns them into Husks to fight for them. That's fucked up. And they kicked an entire race off of their planet. That warrants "shut down the scary death machines" for me. They're Mass Effect fucking Necrons.
dude, what?
The Geth gaines sentience, the Quarians went O NOES! SHOULD NOT BE! and began "deactivating" (read: destroying) geth. then the geth defended themselves
the dragon's teeth (spikes that turn people into husks) were given to the heretic geth by the reapers. thats why you find husks in the derelict reaper ship and in places where the collectors are
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Why is there not a "Hey guys, we found this badass research up there that..uh..tali pieced together. Yeah. That'll help you guys virus up the geth and get back your homeworld." Instead, saying you hope their war goes well is a renegade option? Buh? Did I miss somehow being able to help them take back the world from the murderous AI people while being a good guy?
if you talk to the admirals afterward, you can tell a couple about the research
but you don't tell Admiral Xen
But Tali
Would rather you didn't. And I didn't want to piss off Tali. And yeah, I've beaten it. But I mean, hell. The ONE Geth I've got lying around didn't even say "No, we won't keep trying to blow up the Quarians." Just that the two races had some stuff to work out, basically. After a near elimination of an entire race, you'd think there'd be a bit more concern about the robot people. How come we can stop the Rachni, and the Reapers, and the Collectors, but we can't modify that Legion virus to just shut everything down? Seems like that's what Tali's dad was trying to accomplish by linking them together and such. So Legion is supposed to be the only "non heretic" geth nearby? By rewriting, am I effectively telling all of the Geth to be peaceful towards other races now? It doesn't seem that way.
By rewriting them, you are not in any way convincing them to "be peaceful" towards organics. You are simply causing them to no longer believe that taking the "fast" way to the Geths goals of technological advancement (being a lackey to the Reapers) is the right choice.
The Geth for the most part just want to be left alone. You may recall that at the dawn of their sapience the Quarians tried to commit genocide on them for no good reason. Organics have given them no reason to believe similar attempts won't be made were they to interact with the rest of galactic society. Citadel conventions basically class Geth as an abomination, so why should they expect any different?
All they did was protect themselves.
Er...
They built them as servants and they evolved sentience. When the Quarians realized that, they tried to shut them down, and they all went nuts and started killing people. They invented a device that reanimates dead people and turns them into Husks to fight for them. That's fucked up. And they kicked an entire race off of their planet. That warrants "shut down the scary death machines" for me. They're Mass Effect fucking Necrons.
No, they didn't. Husks are Reaper Technology, only the Heretics ever Husked anyone. And "shutting down" is effectively genocide, so they retaliated which is sorta justifiable.
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Why is there not a "Hey guys, we found this badass research up there that..uh..tali pieced together. Yeah. That'll help you guys virus up the geth and get back your homeworld." Instead, saying you hope their war goes well is a renegade option? Buh? Did I miss somehow being able to help them take back the world from the murderous AI people while being a good guy?
if you talk to the admirals afterward, you can tell a couple about the research
but you don't tell Admiral Xen
But Tali
Would rather you didn't. And I didn't want to piss off Tali. And yeah, I've beaten it. But I mean, hell. The ONE Geth I've got lying around didn't even say "No, we won't keep trying to blow up the Quarians." Just that the two races had some stuff to work out, basically. After a near elimination of an entire race, you'd think there'd be a bit more concern about the robot people. How come we can stop the Rachni, and the Reapers, and the Collectors, but we can't modify that Legion virus to just shut everything down? Seems like that's what Tali's dad was trying to accomplish by linking them together and such. So Legion is supposed to be the only "non heretic" geth nearby? By rewriting, am I effectively telling all of the Geth to be peaceful towards other races now? It doesn't seem that way.
By rewriting them, you are not in any way convincing them to "be peaceful" towards organics. You are simply causing them to no longer believe that taking the "fast" way to the Geths goals of technological advancement (being a lackey to the Reapers) is the right choice.
The Geth for the most part just want to be left alone. You may recall that at the dawn of their sapience the Quarians tried to commit genocide on them for no good reason. Organics have given them no reason to believe similar attempts won't be made were they to interact with the rest of galactic society. Citadel conventions basically class Geth as an abomination, so why should they expect any different?
All they did was protect themselves.
Er...
They built them as servants and they evolved sentience. When the Quarians realized that, they tried to shut them down, and they all went nuts and started killing people. They invented a device that reanimates dead people and turns them into Husks to fight for them. That's fucked up. And they kicked an entire race off of their planet. That warrants "shut down the scary death machines" for me. They're Mass Effect fucking Necrons.
You're operating off of a number of false assumptions.
A) The spikes, AKA Dragons Teeth, that create Husks are Reaper technology not Geth. It is a tool of the Heretics. I have no idea how you beat ME2 without realizing this. You see Dragon's Teeth inside a Derelict Reaper for cripes sake and it's explicitly stated "DRAGONS TEETH ARE REAPER TECHNOLOGY" at least twice during the IFF mission.
They killed the Quarians and kicked them off their world as an act of self defense. They were sapient, intelligent beings and the Quarians were trying to exterminate them. This is what we call genocide.
Most things don't want to be the victim of genocide. If the Geth were murderous war machines like you suggest, they would have followed the creators out of the Veil. They did not.
I assume it's a safe bet that if I loved Mass Effect 1 and 2, that I would like Dragon Age: Origins? How similar are the two?
Oh good lord, they aren't similar at all. I mean, they're both BioWare games, but ME is a BioWare game for the future, while DA is a BioWare game for the past.
DA is also one of the most brutal RPGs made in a long time. Insanity is a happy walk in the park compared to the difficulty of Dragon Age unless you specifically build a party to whore cone of cold.
Difficulty in Dragon Age, however, is pretty much based on party composition. Hardest difficulty with 3 mages is easier than easy with none.
I just finished feros and I am pleased to see that bioware didn't go the Hentai route [spoilers]with those asarii commandos. But those clones, were they copies of the commandos or the offspring off the thorian and the commandos? Or was it just 1 commando? [/spoiler]
I assume it's a safe bet that if I loved Mass Effect 1 and 2, that I would like Dragon Age: Origins? How similar are the two?
Oh good lord, they aren't similar at all. I mean, they're both BioWare games, but ME is a BioWare game for the future, while DA is a BioWare game for the past.
DA is also one of the most brutal RPGs made in a long time. Insanity is a happy walk in the park compared to the difficulty of Dragon Age unless you specifically build a party to whore cone of cold.
Difficulty in Dragon Age, however, is pretty much based on party composition. Hardest difficulty with 3 mages is easier than easy with none.
That's why I said "unless you specifically build a party to whore cone of cold" :P
dear god I was a putz for not picking up squad incendiary with jacob
recruiting Mordin was outright hellish at times
o_O
I just did that with Zaeed (2x Disruptor, 2x Concussive Shot, 2x class) and Miranda (2x Warp, 2x Overload, 2x Class) and my Engineer (2x Drone, 2x Class, 1x Warp Ammo, 1x Cryo Blast, 1x Overload) and it was a doddle. Wouldn't call it "hellish". Time-consuming yes, but only one reload used after leaving the first vent room.
Not looking forward to Horizon or Ghost Ship though. Any idea what weapon goes well with an Engineer as bonus?
I assume it's a safe bet that if I loved Mass Effect 1 and 2, that I would like Dragon Age: Origins? How similar are the two?
Oh good lord, they aren't similar at all. I mean, they're both BioWare games, but ME is a BioWare game for the future, while DA is a BioWare game for the past.
DA is also one of the most brutal RPGs made in a long time. Insanity is a happy walk in the park compared to the difficulty of Dragon Age unless you specifically build a party to whore cone of cold.
Difficulty in Dragon Age, however, is pretty much based on party composition. Hardest difficulty with 3 mages is easier than easy with none.
That's why I said "unless you specifically build a party to whore cone of cold" :P
i think it also depends a bit on if you're playing on a console or on pc. I've tried both and pc seems to make battles easier. The console version...not so much
I assume it's a safe bet that if I loved Mass Effect 1 and 2, that I would like Dragon Age: Origins? How similar are the two?
Oh good lord, they aren't similar at all. I mean, they're both BioWare games, but ME is a BioWare game for the future, while DA is a BioWare game for the past.
DA is also one of the most brutal RPGs made in a long time. Insanity is a happy walk in the park compared to the difficulty of Dragon Age unless you specifically build a party to whore cone of cold.
Difficulty in Dragon Age, however, is pretty much based on party composition. Hardest difficulty with 3 mages is easier than easy with none.
There's a really good interview with Ray Muzyka on how Bioware do storytelling, and storytelling in RPG's in general. He goes into how Dragon Age and Mass Effect differ in their styles of storytelling and narrative. Well worth watching, dude really knows his stuff.
dear god I was a putz for not picking up squad incendiary with jacob
recruiting Mordin was outright hellish at times
o_O
I just did that with Zaeed (2x Disruptor, 2x Concussive Shot, 2x class) and Miranda (2x Warp, 2x Overload, 2x Class) and my Engineer (2x Drone, 2x Class, 1x Warp Ammo, 1x Cryo Blast, 1x Overload) and it was a doddle. Wouldn't call it "hellish". Time-consuming yes, but only one reload used after leaving the first vent room.
Not looking forward to Horizon or Ghost Ship though. Any idea what weapon goes well with an Engineer as bonus?
Depends on how you like to fight, but seeing as the engineers seems very squishy, I'd say assault rifle to shoot people as they all go after your drone. That or sniper, but having a geth pulse rifle/vindicator seems much more useful then the viper or mantis. Shotguns are pretty bleh, wouldn't recommend *for any class honestly* since the others are much more useful overall.
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dear god I was a putz for not picking up squad incendiary with jacob
recruiting Mordin was outright hellish at times
o_O
I just did that with Zaeed (2x Disruptor, 2x Concussive Shot, 2x class) and Miranda (2x Warp, 2x Overload, 2x Class) and my Engineer (2x Drone, 2x Class, 1x Warp Ammo, 1x Cryo Blast, 1x Overload) and it was a doddle. Wouldn't call it "hellish". Time-consuming yes, but only one reload used after leaving the first vent room.
Not looking forward to Horizon or Ghost Ship though. Any idea what weapon goes well with an Engineer as bonus?
I feel like finishing multiple fights with everything but my machine pistol empty is just a tad above "time consuming"
I would have given my left ball to kill the health regen
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dear god I was a putz for not picking up squad incendiary with jacob
recruiting Mordin was outright hellish at times
o_O
I just did that with Zaeed (2x Disruptor, 2x Concussive Shot, 2x class) and Miranda (2x Warp, 2x Overload, 2x Class) and my Engineer (2x Drone, 2x Class, 1x Warp Ammo, 1x Cryo Blast, 1x Overload) and it was a doddle. Wouldn't call it "hellish". Time-consuming yes, but only one reload used after leaving the first vent room.
Not looking forward to Horizon or Ghost Ship though. Any idea what weapon goes well with an Engineer as bonus?
Depends on how you like to fight, but seeing as the engineers seems very squishy, I'd say assault rifle to shoot people as they all go after your drone. That or sniper, but having a geth pulse rifle/vindicator seems much more useful then the viper or mantis. Shotguns are pretty bleh, wouldn't recommend *for any class honestly* since the others are much more useful overall.
Oh shit of course! Geth Pulse Rifle on Hardcore/Insanity! Best option right there and I'mma going for it.
Shotgun was boss on my Vanguard though. Still chose the Sniper Rifle because I needed some range.
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edited February 2010
You know it was funny. On my Vanguard playthrough I never even noticed health regen because I had incendiary ammo on all the time.
Then I played Infiltrator...but I fixed that with incinerate.
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Well, whomever wrote up above that he just couldn't play the game as Renegade, I agree. It's just not in my nature to be so nasty; the final straw was
Jack's loyalty mission when I tell her to shoot the other survivor, when the best thing for her was clearly to spare his life and try to get past all of the rage bubbling inside her. Plus everyone hates me.
So I'm giving up this replay which was kinda dull anyway, since a Sentinel is just a Soldier who can't use Sniper Rifles. Y'all seem to be enjoying Vanguard so I'll try that, the squeekiest clean, uptight but staring at Samara's boobs all day long, Vanguard you ever saw.
Why is there not a "Hey guys, we found this badass research up there that..uh..tali pieced together. Yeah. That'll help you guys virus up the geth and get back your homeworld." Instead, saying you hope their war goes well is a renegade option? Buh? Did I miss somehow being able to help them take back the world from the murderous AI people while being a good guy?
if you talk to the admirals afterward, you can tell a couple about the research
but you don't tell Admiral Xen
But Tali
Would rather you didn't. And I didn't want to piss off Tali. And yeah, I've beaten it. But I mean, hell. The ONE Geth I've got lying around didn't even say "No, we won't keep trying to blow up the Quarians." Just that the two races had some stuff to work out, basically. After a near elimination of an entire race, you'd think there'd be a bit more concern about the robot people. How come we can stop the Rachni, and the Reapers, and the Collectors, but we can't modify that Legion virus to just shut everything down? Seems like that's what Tali's dad was trying to accomplish by linking them together and such. So Legion is supposed to be the only "non heretic" geth nearby? By rewriting, am I effectively telling all of the Geth to be peaceful towards other races now? It doesn't seem that way.
By rewriting them, you are not in any way convincing them to "be peaceful" towards organics. You are simply causing them to no longer believe that taking the "fast" way to the Geths goals of technological advancement (being a lackey to the Reapers) is the right choice.
The Geth for the most part just want to be left alone. You may recall that at the dawn of their sapience the Quarians tried to commit genocide on them for no good reason. Organics have given them no reason to believe similar attempts won't be made were they to interact with the rest of galactic society. Citadel conventions basically class Geth as an abomination, so why should they expect any different?
All they did was protect themselves.
Er...
They built them as servants and they evolved sentience. When the Quarians realized that, they tried to shut them down, and they all went nuts and started killing people. They invented a device that reanimates dead people and turns them into Husks to fight for them. That's fucked up. And they kicked an entire race off of their planet. That warrants "shut down the scary death machines" for me. They're Mass Effect fucking Necrons.
You're operating off of a number of false assumptions.
A) The spikes, AKA Dragons Teeth, that create Husks are Reaper technology not Geth. It is a tool of the Heretics. I have no idea how you beat ME2 without realizing this. You see Dragon's Teeth inside a Derelict Reaper for cripes sake and it's explicitly stated "DRAGONS TEETH ARE REAPER TECHNOLOGY" at least twice during the IFF mission.
They killed the Quarians and kicked them off their world as an act of self defense. They were sapient, intelligent beings and the Quarians were trying to exterminate them. This is what we call genocide.
Most things don't want to be the victim of genocide. If the Geth were murderous war machines like you suggest, they would have followed the creators out of the Veil. They did not.
Current Human Population is i think 7 Billion. Let's be pleasant and assume the Quarian population at the beginning of the war was 2.5 billion. That’s about what it was in 1950 not so long after World War 2 and pretty much before the real advent of modern medicine.
To give some perspective the population of earth alone in mass effect is I believe 12 billion. This isn’t beginning to include colonies, stations and whatever else. We’ll make a further assumption and peg Quarian military at half the total population. That’s a truly mad number of people under arms but I am essentially fudging the numbers as much as I can here to basically make the Geth look better.
Now then, Migrant Fleet population is currently 17 million. We’ll take that up to 20 million by including those off on pilgrimage and make the pleasant assumption that their population has declined since they were first kicked from their worlds.
99% of the Quarian total population was eradicated by the Geth uprising. 99.2% to be exact but the exact numbers don’t really matter. Of that 1.25 Billion were non-combatants with no way to protect themselves.
The Geth don’t need planets, in fact they don’t want them. They like to exist in space where there’s no air to rust their metal frames or moisture to get into their electronics. Not to mention the fact that there are asteroids and all sorts of resources that is so much easier to get at. From a purely logical point of view, and Geth are all about logic. They had no reason to continue the war once battle lines of any sort were made. From their perspective jumping into ships and heading for deep space is the logical choice
Therefore they must have continued the war for a different reason. Given the complete massacring of the Quarian population that could be their only real objective. To slaughter as many Quarians as possible. It can’t be for revenge, justice or any other such thing. They don’t feel emotions. So, they must have done it to remove a threat. They obliterated most of a sentient race, which by that point must have been largely defenseless to remove a possible future problem.
These are the same Geth now that existed then. Their thought processes don’t seem to have changed and they’re a threat as soon as they think they’ll win a war. In short, screw the Geth and if ME3 gives me a way to obliterate the lot of them I’ll take it up happily and hand over the now cleansed Quarian worlds with a smile on my face and a song in my heart.
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do people like the geth pulse rifle? It seemed really lackluster to me (and pretty much completely outclassed by the tempest anyway.)
I think it gets a huge bonus to Shield/Barrier damage, but yeah its attack power is pretty lackluster.
However, if you're playing a class with a good number of HP abilities(like Adept), I can see it being useful.
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Zaeed's loyalty mission:
I assume that if you go the Paragon route and save the refinery workers, whatshisname escapes and you fail to gain Zaeed's loyalty ? Little does Zaeed know that bearing a grudge will prove to be very, very bad for his health in the Collector base. Bwa ha hah.
he outright tells you that they would consider peace with the quarians, but can't figure out a way to talk to them that doesn't result in the geth getting shot at.
Also, they aren't doing anything with the quarian homeworld; they live on space stations and mine asteroids. In fact, they are cleaning up the debris from their war with the quarians.
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do people like the geth pulse rifle? It seemed really lackluster to me (and pretty much completely outclassed by the tempest anyway.)
I think it gets a huge bonus to Shield/Barrier damage, but yeah its attack power is pretty lackluster.
Which is not too shabby considering the range limitations of the Engineer class. Down those shields/barriers, wear away armour by using some tech or the hand cannon and as they say, "Robert is your father's brother".
I assume that if you go the Paragon route and save the refinery workers, whatshisname escapes and you fail to gain Zaeed's loyalty ? Little does Zaeed know that bearing a grudge will prove to be very, very bad for his health in the Collector base. Bwa ha hah.
Decent Paragon ranking for your level means you can be a goodie-goodie and keep Zaeed loyal. Being good doesn't mean losing his loyalty, but you need a good Paragon score relevant to your level.
Just because you didn't invent it doesn't mean it's not horrible. Plus that whole near genocide thing. And yeah, if they came up and said "We'd like to go live off near a black hole where we will NEVER TALK TO YOU AGAIN LIKE EVER" then sure, I'd be up for that.
Why is there not a "Hey guys, we found this badass research up there that..uh..tali pieced together. Yeah. That'll help you guys virus up the geth and get back your homeworld." Instead, saying you hope their war goes well is a renegade option? Buh? Did I miss somehow being able to help them take back the world from the murderous AI people while being a good guy?
if you talk to the admirals afterward, you can tell a couple about the research
but you don't tell Admiral Xen
But Tali
Would rather you didn't. And I didn't want to piss off Tali. And yeah, I've beaten it. But I mean, hell. The ONE Geth I've got lying around didn't even say "No, we won't keep trying to blow up the Quarians." Just that the two races had some stuff to work out, basically. After a near elimination of an entire race, you'd think there'd be a bit more concern about the robot people. How come we can stop the Rachni, and the Reapers, and the Collectors, but we can't modify that Legion virus to just shut everything down? Seems like that's what Tali's dad was trying to accomplish by linking them together and such. So Legion is supposed to be the only "non heretic" geth nearby? By rewriting, am I effectively telling all of the Geth to be peaceful towards other races now? It doesn't seem that way.
By rewriting them, you are not in any way convincing them to "be peaceful" towards organics. You are simply causing them to no longer believe that taking the "fast" way to the Geths goals of technological advancement (being a lackey to the Reapers) is the right choice.
The Geth for the most part just want to be left alone. You may recall that at the dawn of their sapience the Quarians tried to commit genocide on them for no good reason. Organics have given them no reason to believe similar attempts won't be made were they to interact with the rest of galactic society. Citadel conventions basically class Geth as an abomination, so why should they expect any different?
All they did was protect themselves.
Er...
They built them as servants and they evolved sentience. When the Quarians realized that, they tried to shut them down, and they all went nuts and started killing people. They invented a device that reanimates dead people and turns them into Husks to fight for them. That's fucked up. And they kicked an entire race off of their planet. That warrants "shut down the scary death machines" for me. They're Mass Effect fucking Necrons.
You're operating off of a number of false assumptions.
A) The spikes, AKA Dragons Teeth, that create Husks are Reaper technology not Geth. It is a tool of the Heretics. I have no idea how you beat ME2 without realizing this. You see Dragon's Teeth inside a Derelict Reaper for cripes sake and it's explicitly stated "DRAGONS TEETH ARE REAPER TECHNOLOGY" at least twice during the IFF mission.
They killed the Quarians and kicked them off their world as an act of self defense. They were sapient, intelligent beings and the Quarians were trying to exterminate them. This is what we call genocide.
Most things don't want to be the victim of genocide. If the Geth were murderous war machines like you suggest, they would have followed the creators out of the Veil. They did not.
Current Human Population is i think 7 Billion. Let's be pleasant and assume the Quarian population at the beginning of the war was 2.5 billion. That’s about what it was in 1950 not so long after World War 2 and pretty much before the real advent of modern medicine.
To give some perspective the population of earth alone in mass effect is I believe 12 billion. This isn’t beginning to include colonies, stations and whatever else. We’ll make a further assumption and peg Quarian military at half the total population. That’s a truly mad number of people under arms but I am essentially fudging the numbers as much as I can here to basically make the Geth look better.
Now then, Migrant Fleet population is currently 17 million. We’ll take that up to 20 million by including those off on pilgrimage and make the pleasant assumption that their population has declined since they were first kicked from their worlds.
99% of the Quarian total population was eradicated by the Geth uprising. 99.2% to be exact but the exact numbers don’t really matter. Of that 1.25 Billion were non-combatants with no way to protect themselves.
The Geth don’t need planets, in fact they don’t want them. They like to exist in space where there’s no air to rust their metal frames or moisture to get into their electronics. Not to mention the fact that there are asteroids and all sorts of resources that is so much easier to get at. From a purely logical point of view, and Geth are all about logic. They had no reason to continue the war once battle lines of any sort were made. From their perspective jumping into ships and heading for deep space is the logical choice
Therefore they must have continued the war for a different reason. Given the complete massacring of the Quarian population that could be their only real objective. To slaughter as many Quarians as possible. It can’t be for revenge, justice or any other such thing. They don’t feel emotions. So, they must have done it to remove a threat. They obliterated most of a sentient race, which by that point must have been largely defenseless to remove a possible future problem.
These are the same Geth now that existed then. Their thought processes don’t seem to have changed and they’re a threat as soon as they think they’ll win a war. In short, screw the Geth and if ME3 gives me a way to obliterate the lot of them I’ll take it up happily and hand over the now cleansed Quarian worlds with a smile on my face and a song in my heart.
Assuming the many assumptions you make here are correct, how is what you describe any different from the Quarian attempt/"inadequate success" at terminating largely docile sapient beings asking if they have a soul any different? Surely you realize that a significant percentage of Geth also would have been non-combative models, identical to an organic civilian?
They retaliated. I don't doubt that a species that had just come into possession of sapient existence probably made some mistakes in the heat of defending their very existence. But I also think you're being judgemental for no other reason than they're synthetics.
And that's probably a natural reaction. Legion is of the opinion that organics are basically hardwired to mistrust synthetics. Thus why they avoid us.
Just because you didn't invent it doesn't mean it's not horrible. Plus that whole near genocide thing. And yeah, if they came up and said "We'd like to go live off near a black hole where we will NEVER TALK TO YOU AGAIN LIKE EVER" then sure, I'd be up for that.
Your points here make little sense.
Okay? And? It's still an action committed by the Heretic faction.
And why should they be required to live near a black hole? The Perseus Veil is already on the opposite side of the Terminus Systems and quite isolated from most everyone.
Once again, this seems to be a knee jerk reaction to the fact that they are synthetic in nature and thus quite alien to us.
he outright tells you that they would consider peace with the quarians, but can't figure out a way to talk to them that doesn't result in the geth getting shot at.
Also, they aren't doing anything with the quarian homeworld; they live on space stations and mine asteroids. In fact, they are cleaning up the debris from their war with the quarians.
Well maybe if more than ONE ever bothered to learn to talk.
Not quoting the tree but the current converstation.
If the Geth had just left there's no reason to not assume the Quarians would've pursued them into deep space to eradicate them, the Geth have proven they want to be left alone, if not they could've easily taken out most of the universe by now. Instead they sit in space chatting amongst themselves and getting shot on sight by anyone that sees them. With them not needing food or water or supplies they can't easily get, there's no reason to assume they want to take over the universe because they could've by now well before Shepard was reanimated by Cerberus.
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Oh good lord, they aren't similar at all. I mean, they're both BioWare games, but ME is a BioWare game for the future, while DA is a BioWare game for the past.
DA is also one of the most brutal RPGs made in a long time. Insanity is a happy walk in the park compared to the difficulty of Dragon Age unless you specifically build a party to whore cone of cold.
The Geth for the most part just want to be left alone. You may recall that at the dawn of their sapience the Quarians tried to commit genocide on them for no good reason. Organics have given them no reason to believe similar attempts won't be made were they to interact with the rest of galactic society. Citadel conventions basically class Geth as an abomination, so why should they expect any different?
All they did was protect themselves.
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where did you find that?
that is the best thing
Er...
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Granted, the question is way more complicated than I'm making out, it's just I can completely understand the Quarians reaction. "Holy fuck, UNDO UNDO UNDO!" is about where I'd be in the moment as well.
That's not what happened when I asked Tali what she wanted to do. So I figured doing otherwise would piss her off. Maybe I shoulda just done that.
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did you play like, any of Mass Effect 2? Husks are reaper tech.
It's not like the Geth (well, the anti-reaper ones anyway) are holding a grudge, assuming Legion isn't lying his ass off. Which is not a safe assumption but that's something one could reasonably investigate.
Though really, fuck the council for shitting all over the Quarians and probably driving them to their choices.
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dude, what?
the dragon's teeth (spikes that turn people into husks) were given to the heretic geth by the reapers. thats why you find husks in the derelict reaper ship and in places where the collectors are
A) The spikes, AKA Dragons Teeth, that create Husks are Reaper technology not Geth. It is a tool of the Heretics. I have no idea how you beat ME2 without realizing this. You see Dragon's Teeth inside a Derelict Reaper for cripes sake and it's explicitly stated "DRAGONS TEETH ARE REAPER TECHNOLOGY" at least twice during the IFF mission.
Most things don't want to be the victim of genocide. If the Geth were murderous war machines like you suggest, they would have followed the creators out of the Veil. They did not.
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Difficulty in Dragon Age, however, is pretty much based on party composition. Hardest difficulty with 3 mages is easier than easy with none.
dear god I was a putz for not picking up squad incendiary with jacob
recruiting Mordin was outright hellish at times
http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=16534
That's why I said "unless you specifically build a party to whore cone of cold" :P
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o_O
I just did that with Zaeed (2x Disruptor, 2x Concussive Shot, 2x class) and Miranda (2x Warp, 2x Overload, 2x Class) and my Engineer (2x Drone, 2x Class, 1x Warp Ammo, 1x Cryo Blast, 1x Overload) and it was a doddle. Wouldn't call it "hellish". Time-consuming yes, but only one reload used after leaving the first vent room.
Not looking forward to Horizon or Ghost Ship though. Any idea what weapon goes well with an Engineer as bonus?
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
i think it also depends a bit on if you're playing on a console or on pc. I've tried both and pc seems to make battles easier. The console version...not so much
There's a really good interview with Ray Muzyka on how Bioware do storytelling, and storytelling in RPG's in general. He goes into how Dragon Age and Mass Effect differ in their styles of storytelling and narrative. Well worth watching, dude really knows his stuff.
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/past-present-bioware/55745
Seriously, everyone should watch this interview if they haven't already.
Depends on how you like to fight, but seeing as the engineers seems very squishy, I'd say assault rifle to shoot people as they all go after your drone. That or sniper, but having a geth pulse rifle/vindicator seems much more useful then the viper or mantis. Shotguns are pretty bleh, wouldn't recommend *for any class honestly* since the others are much more useful overall.
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Oh shit of course! Geth Pulse Rifle on Hardcore/Insanity! Best option right there and I'mma going for it.
Shotgun was boss on my Vanguard though. Still chose the Sniper Rifle because I needed some range.
You're an Infiltrator. You have access to Incinerate!
Incinerate and heavy pistol w/ cyro ammo does a great job in stopping vorchas and krogans from regenerating.
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Then I played Infiltrator...but I fixed that with incinerate.
So I'm giving up this replay which was kinda dull anyway, since a Sentinel is just a Soldier who can't use Sniper Rifles. Y'all seem to be enjoying Vanguard so I'll try that, the squeekiest clean, uptight but staring at Samara's boobs all day long, Vanguard you ever saw.
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
To give some perspective the population of earth alone in mass effect is I believe 12 billion. This isn’t beginning to include colonies, stations and whatever else. We’ll make a further assumption and peg Quarian military at half the total population. That’s a truly mad number of people under arms but I am essentially fudging the numbers as much as I can here to basically make the Geth look better.
Now then, Migrant Fleet population is currently 17 million. We’ll take that up to 20 million by including those off on pilgrimage and make the pleasant assumption that their population has declined since they were first kicked from their worlds.
99% of the Quarian total population was eradicated by the Geth uprising. 99.2% to be exact but the exact numbers don’t really matter. Of that 1.25 Billion were non-combatants with no way to protect themselves.
The Geth don’t need planets, in fact they don’t want them. They like to exist in space where there’s no air to rust their metal frames or moisture to get into their electronics. Not to mention the fact that there are asteroids and all sorts of resources that is so much easier to get at. From a purely logical point of view, and Geth are all about logic. They had no reason to continue the war once battle lines of any sort were made. From their perspective jumping into ships and heading for deep space is the logical choice
Therefore they must have continued the war for a different reason. Given the complete massacring of the Quarian population that could be their only real objective. To slaughter as many Quarians as possible. It can’t be for revenge, justice or any other such thing. They don’t feel emotions. So, they must have done it to remove a threat. They obliterated most of a sentient race, which by that point must have been largely defenseless to remove a possible future problem.
These are the same Geth now that existed then. Their thought processes don’t seem to have changed and they’re a threat as soon as they think they’ll win a war. In short, screw the Geth and if ME3 gives me a way to obliterate the lot of them I’ll take it up happily and hand over the now cleansed Quarian worlds with a smile on my face and a song in my heart.
I think it gets a huge bonus to Shield/Barrier damage, but yeah its attack power is pretty lackluster.
However, if you're playing a class with a good number of HP abilities(like Adept), I can see it being useful.
Also, they aren't doing anything with the quarian homeworld; they live on space stations and mine asteroids. In fact, they are cleaning up the debris from their war with the quarians.
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
Which is not too shabby considering the range limitations of the Engineer class. Down those shields/barriers, wear away armour by using some tech or the hand cannon and as they say, "Robert is your father's brother".
Decent Paragon ranking for your level means you can be a goodie-goodie and keep Zaeed loyal. Being good doesn't mean losing his loyalty, but you need a good Paragon score relevant to your level.
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They retaliated. I don't doubt that a species that had just come into possession of sapient existence probably made some mistakes in the heat of defending their very existence. But I also think you're being judgemental for no other reason than they're synthetics.
And that's probably a natural reaction. Legion is of the opinion that organics are basically hardwired to mistrust synthetics. Thus why they avoid us.
Your points here make little sense.
And why should they be required to live near a black hole? The Perseus Veil is already on the opposite side of the Terminus Systems and quite isolated from most everyone.
Once again, this seems to be a knee jerk reaction to the fact that they are synthetic in nature and thus quite alien to us.
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Well maybe if more than ONE ever bothered to learn to talk.
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